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[jacklamabe65]

SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic -  Baltimore Orioles shortstop Miguel Tejada said Thursday he's unhappy with the team's direction and wants to be traded.

"I've been with the Orioles for two years and things haven't gone in the direction that we were expecting, so I think the best thing will be a change of scenery," Tejada told The Associated Press in a phone interview in his native Dominican Republic.
Tejada signed a six-year $72 million contract with the Orioles before the 2004 season.

He hit .304 with 26 home runs and 98 RBIs this year, but the team still finished 21 games out of first place in the American League Eastern Division.

"I've done many things with this team and I haven't seen results, and the other teams are getting stronger while the Orioles have not made any signings to strengthen the club," Tejada added.

Tejada's comments came as the Orioles and free agent catcher Ramon Hernandez and the Orioles agreed to a $27.5 million, four-year contract.

Hernandez's deal is contingent on a physical, a baseball official familiar with the negotiations said Thursday, speaking on condition of anonymity. The agreement, which includes a club option for 2010, probably will not be finalized until next week, the official said.

The 29-year-old Venezuelan batted .290 last season with the San Diego Padres. He had 12 home runs and 58 RBIs, but his main value is behind the plate, where he has a reputation for calling a smart game and capably handling a pitching staff.

The addition of Hernandez will mean less time behind the plate for Orioles catcher Javy Lopez, who complained of sore knees toward the end of last season. Lopez is eager to spend more time as a designated hitter and at first base.

Baltimore also might trade the Puerto Rican for a starting pitcher, one of the team's biggest needs.

A source close to Tejada, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Tejada would like to be traded to a team on the East Coast, and specifically mentioned the Boston Red Sox as his choice destination.

Edited by jacklamabe65, 30 December 2005 - 09:11 AM.

[Rasputin]

Manny for Miggy just makes enormous sense for everyone doesn't it?

[BigMike]

Manny for Miggy just makes enormous sense for everyone doesn't it?

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Yeah Sure, if the Sox throw in two top prospects

[templeUsox]

I'll repost what I wrote in the SS thread:

There is no doubt that a major attraction the Sox have to other Dominicans is Tiz and Manny. I don't doubt that that would play a role in Tejada wanting to come here. Of course that would be slightly mitigated if we trade Manny to acquire Tejada. But right now I just think we have used our allotted trade chips for the off-season. Unless people want to dip into the Lester/Papelbon well, who else is there to trade? Clement? Nixon. This is a top 10 player in baseball we are getting back, the Orioles are going to be commanding a lot. I think he ends up as a Met or Angel.

[BGrif21125]

Tejada would be a great addition, but only if the Sox add a clause to his contract prohibiting him from sharing B-12's with anyone.

[86spike]

I expect the Orioles to tell Tejada to stick it up his ass.

(Besides, we don't want Ortiz taking any B12 shots, right?)

[Marbleheader]

Maybe these guys will just try to make as much money as they can in shorter contracts rather than looking for 6/7/8 year contracts, they never seem to pan out for either party involved. I'd love to have Tejada but unless it is for Manny straight up, it will cost too much to get him.

[andtrz]

A Manny for Tejada trade carries an incredible bonus for me - my father is a huge Oriole fan and Manny hater. That alone would make this trade worth it, nevermind the obvious.

[Country Sinker]

I can't see the Orioles trading within their division. I watch a lot of games all over the country and the O's just seem to play a little harder against the Red Sox. Unless they know something terrible about him & are sending us a trojan horse, I don't see a mutual trade coming to fruition.

[HillysLastWalk]

Yeah Sure, if the Sox throw two top prospects

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A question: Why would the Sox have to throw in prospects - and why wouldn't a straight-up trade be possible? Doesn't Manny's offense more than make up for the fact that he doesn't play a premium defensive position? Or is his defense so bad, that it's still an issue.

[TheoShmeo]

I expect the Orioles to tell Tejada to stick it up his ass.

(Besides, we don't want Ortiz taking any B12 shots, right?)

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While I would LOVE to see Tejeda in Boston, it would indeed be nice to see a team say "you signed a contract and we don't really care how happy you are with the result." The player option to decide he doesn't much like where he signed and can therefore opt out at any point seems to be a relatively recent and disturbing trend.

Of course, if the Sox can capitalize on it, I will overlook my agitation in this case. Principles be damned. Tejada is one of the few players whose addition would take the sting out of Manny's subtraction.

[Gambler7]

"I can't see the Orioles trading within their division."

even for a Manny Ramirez? Why not? If Baltimore came to me today with an offer Manny for Tejada I would do it now and not look back

[BigMike]

A question: Why would the Sox have to throw in prospects - and why wouldn't a straight-up trade be possible?  Doesn't Manny's offense more than make up for the fact that he doesn't play a premium defensive position?  Or is his defense so bad, that it's still an issue.

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Miggy is younger, has a much lower contract, is a plus fielder at a far more important defensive position.

[Lyonking]

Manny might hit 60 HR's playing at Camden.

[Rasputin]

Yeah Sure, if the Sox throw in two top prospects

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That's just ridiculous. Two marginal prospects, fine. A little bit of cash, fine. Two top prospects is absurd.

[HillysLastWalk]

Miggy is younger, has a much lower contract, is a plus fielder at a far more important defensive position.

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Yeah, just saw the contract now. That's definitely a big reason. My first impression (without thinking about the $) was that Manny's bat could make up for the fact that he plays left - I mean, he generates so much offense, so much more than Miggy (or pretty much most everyone).

[Gambler7]

"Manny might hit 60 HR's playing at Camden."

Camden's park factor was 95 this year, Fenway 101

Camden played much more as a pitchers park

[GotMyESPY]

Manny might hit 60 HR's playing at Camden.

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Yes, but Miggy might win a WS playing in Boston.

[HillysLastWalk]

"Manny might hit 60 HR's playing at Camden."

Camden's park factor was 95 this year, Fenway 101

Camden played much more as a pitchers park

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Don't park factors account for runs and not specifically home runs? (I'm really not sure - although HR's help of course).

I was always under the impression that Fenway Park was a doubles park, and although Camden might have a lower park factor it could (possibly) lead to more HR's than Fenway? But then again, I'd have to understand park factor a little more to even know if this hypothesis is possible.

EDIT: Yeah, what templeU is saying right below me.

Edited by HillysLastWalk, 08 December 2005 - 08:59 PM.

[templeUsox]

"Manny might hit 60 HR's playing at Camden."

Camden's park factor was 95 this year, Fenway 101

Camden played much more as a pitchers park

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Fenway 3-year weighted HR Factor- 94
Balmer 3-year weighted HR Factor- 100

[Gambler7]

looks like you were right Hilly, where do you get those numbers Temple? Very interesting, I had always just checked the park factors

[Lose Remerswaal]

Miggy will make $10MM in '06, $12MM in '07, $13MM in '08, and $13MM in '09.  That's $48MM over four years.

If this is going to work, we're going to have to take another contract back with Miggy.  Javy Lopez?  Can he play first?  He's a free agent after the '06 season.

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Considering the O's signed Ramon Hernandez, they certainly can't be planning to have him and Javy both catching in 2006

[templeUsox]

This list gives the three year weighted factors for every professional park; minor and major.

[Lyonking]

I play Strat on a regular basis. Camden has always been one of the top RH HR parks.

I can probably show you sims with Manny hitting 60+ in camden easy.

[Arock78]

Let's not forget that 2 years ago, the Sox put Manny on irrevocable waivers, and no one bit. So now we're expecting the Orioles to trade a guy who's younger, who plays on the other end of the defensive spectrum, who contributes nearly the same number of annual win shares as Manny, and who's contract is far far better than Manny's?

[Lyonking]

Let's not forget that 2 years ago, the Sox put Manny on irrevocable waivers, and no one bit.

Big difference taking on 5 years and $100M vs 3 years and $60M. It's a much different Manny contract now.

[941827]

Considering the O's signed Ramon Hernandez, they certainly can't be planning to have him and Javy both catching in 2006

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The theory is that Javy is going to play first, DH, and catch occasionally.

[Gambler7]

People have to stop bringing up putting Manny on waivers TWO years ago. It just has nothing to do with this year or this off-season or trying to trade him now. Absolutely nothing. hence, why there were at least 5-6 teams interested in trading for him

[Arock78]

Big difference taking on 5 years and $100M vs 3 years and $60M.  It's a much different Manny contract now.

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Sure it is. But is really different enough that we can get Tejada in return for it, without having to eat some salary on top of that?

[FredLynnsGlove]

If we could pull off the trade Iggy for Manny, who mans LF in 06?

[Green Monster]

Let's not forget that 2 years ago, the Sox put Manny on irrevocable waivers, and no one bit.  So now we're expecting the Orioles to trade a guy who's younger, who plays on the other end of the defensive spectrum, who contributes nearly the same number of annual win shares as Manny, and who's contract is far far better than Manny's?

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And who just told them he wanted to be traded.

[bosox79]

Andy Marte, LF.

[redinchicago]

If we could pull off the trade Iggy for Manny, who mans LF in 06?

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Marte would, if ready. But I just don't see this working. Baltimore would explore any option in the east, before going to Boston or New York. Guess Atlanta wishes they hadn't made that trade.

[bosox79]

FWIW, Lajoie earlier today on MLB radio discussing the Renteria trade said they would use Lowell at 1b, Youks at 3b and Marte in LF, or you could shuffle Youks at 1b and Lowell at 3b.

Lajoie specifically said Marte, LF.

It made me wonder at the time but I just shrugged it off.

[grinwell]

Manny for Tejada.  Start stokin' the flames.

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Manny might hit 100 HRs in Camden. By the all star break. Plus his presence will make Ramon Hernandez loosen up like Ortiz. Ramon is an awesome fastball hitter and will hit 50 HRs hitting behind Manny.

[epraz]

Schuerholz has got to be kicking himself tonight.

[Marbleheader]

If we could pull off the trade Iggy for Manny, who mans LF in 06?

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Johnny Damon, of course.

[Green Monster]

Does anyone know if Tejada has a no trade clause. He has expressed a desire to be traded to an eastern team and mentioned the Red Sox. If the Orioles had a deal with someone else (Toronto?) would he be able to block that??

[bosox79]

Im sure he does, but if he doesnt.. he could always demand a trade after 1 year... and I can guarantee you he'd be one player willing to rip up his contract. He'd end up getting more.

[Arock78]

And who just told them he wanted to be traded.

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And so the Red Sox are somehow a likely trade partner?

[jacklamabe65]

Based on the trades I've seen this week, I'm sure the Red Sox will get him for Bronson Arroyo.

From NYYFans.com

Should they start a suicide watch over there?

[reggiecleveland]

I would love Miggy to play here but I get so sick of guys who take the money then want out after a couple of years because the team isn't winning. Some guys like the big Eunuch, Schilling, etc I can give a bit of a break too because they at least brought a title to town before leaving. YOu were willing to take their money Miggy now shut up and play.

[jacklamabe65]

YOu were willing to take their money Miggy now shut up and play.

for the Red Sox......

[epraz]

I would love Miggy to play here but I get so sick of guys who take the money then want out after a couple of years because the team isn't winning. Some guys like the big Eunuch, Schilling, etc I can give a bit of a break too because they at least brought a title to town before leaving. YOu were willing to take their money Miggy now shut up and play.

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I wonder why people feel this way. We signed Edgar to a contract and we didn't like it, so we traded him. If a player hasn't negotiated a no-trade clause in the contract, and asks to be traded, why should we not like this move? He's not asking for his contract to be ripped up.

The reason most people fall on this side, is that we're just not fans of players. We're fans of the teams, and thus will tend to favor the management side in these kinds of adversarial relationships.

[Green Monster]

And so the Red Sox are somehow a likely trade partner?

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A - He mentioned the Red Sox as his first choice
B - The Sox need a shortstop
C - The Sox have the resources to be able to pay him
D - The Sox FO has shown the willingness and creativity to pull off a big trade
E - The O's will not be able to find a deal that gets them more value than Manny
F - The Sox have been searching for a month and likely don't have a deal that includes a better player than Tejada

I don't know how you can say the Sox are not a likely trade partner.

Edited by Green Monster, 08 December 2005 - 09:38 PM.

[Sportsbstn]

Manny would undoubtably invoke his 10/5 rights if dealt to Fenway South.

[5belongstoGeorge]

Damon cf
Loretta 2b
Papi dh
Manny lf
Miggy ss
Lowel 1b/3b
'Tek c
Marte 1b/3b
Trot rf

Do you think they would score some runs?

[E5 Yaz]

I wonder why people feel this way.  We signed Edgar to a contract and we didn't like it, so we traded him. 

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the difference, i think, is that tejada basically said, "the orioles aren't going anywhere, get me out of here," but you didn't hear anyone from the red sox say "renteria had his worst season; we're going to dump his sorry butt."

tejada's an all-star, but there is something a tad unseemly about a guy who, when the chips are down, wants out