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WEEI: The Good and the Bad
#101
Posted 04 October 2007 - 11:13 AM
#102
Posted 04 October 2007 - 11:15 AM
- When Smerlas and DeOssie are on the Big Show, it's a four-hour comercial for "Fred and Steve's Steak House", the cigar bar at Twin Rivers and worst of all, 1-800-PATS-FAN; All-Star Tickets or something, my mind drifts when they bring up their extra curricular activities? This was some sort of scam that Smerlas was running.
- Arnold was a mouth piece for Jeremy Jacobs and hardly ever went after the Bruins. Probably had nothing to do with him being the lead analyst for the team though.
- Teddy Sarandis left his shift an hour early one night and played either an interview that didn't quite run an hour or reruns of previous calls.
I'm sure there's more that I'm forgetting.
#103
Posted 04 October 2007 - 11:27 AM
Smerlas was scalping tickets, for some outrageous fee you got the privilege of tailgaiting with him and DeOssie and if you doubled the fee you got to go top the game with them. He still does it, he got a ticket brokers license and sells the tickets at "face value" while you eat a $600 BBQ.Yeah, but remember what station you're listening to; scruples and credibility issues are for the athletes and other public figures that they cover.
- When Smerlas and DeOssie are on the Big Show, it's a four-hour comercial for "Fred and Steve's Steak House", the cigar bar at Twin Rivers and worst of all, 1-800-PATS-FAN; All-Star Tickets or something, my mind drifts when they bring up their extra curricular activities? This was some sort of scam that Smerlas was running.
- Arnold was a mouth piece for Jeremy Jacobs and hardly ever went after the Bruins. Probably had nothing to do with him being the lead analyst for the team though.
- Teddy Sarandis left his shift an hour early one night and played either an interview that didn't quite run an hour or reruns of previous calls.
I'm sure there's more that I'm forgetting.
#104
Posted 06 October 2007 - 08:34 AM
Discussion about A-Rod's performance last night. I mean, if you're going to talk Yankees, why not give some props to Fausto Carmona, or talk about Chamberlain's struggles. Hell, even talk about the bugs. But no, I guess all people want to talk about on an everyday basis is A-Rod/Mike Vick/Belicheck's camera scandel.
I understand that people don't want to hear about advanced statistical analysis, and quite frankly, I don't even want to hear aboout that on sports radio. But jesus christ, people MUST be interested in the actual games, instead of talking about the same topics for 4 consecutive months.
There is no such thing as a Fake Edit, I am just an idiot who can't figure out how to put a secondary thought into my posts without this crutch: And I'm pleased with myself that I turned off Mustard and Johnson before I really got upset....
Real edit: Had to put in an extra word to make a sentence make sense.
Edited by Phenom, 06 October 2007 - 11:18 AM.
#105
Posted 06 October 2007 - 10:22 AM
The Red Sox bullpen pitches 3 1/3 shutout innings, Tito proves the "Francoma people" wrong, as he managed the game last beautifully, Manny hits a walk off homer, and what do I hear when I turn on EEI?
Discussion about A-Rod's performance last night. I mean, if you're going to talk Yankees, why not give some props to Fausto Carmona, or talk about Chamberlain's struggles. Hell, even talk about the bugs. But no, I guess all people want to talk about on an everyday basis is A-Rod/Mike Vick/Belicheck's camera scandel.
I understand that people don't want to hear about advanced statistical analysis, and quite frankly, I don't even want to hear aboout that on sports radio. But jesus christ, people MUST be interested in the actual games, instead of talking about the same topics for 4 consecutive months.
There is no such thing as a Fake Edit, I am just an idiot who can't figure out how to put a secondary thought into my posts without this crutch: And I'm pleased with myself that I turned off Mustard and Johnson before I really got upset....
I was just coming to post the exact same thing. I turn on WEEI expecting some good Sox ballwashing and all I hear is Craig Mustard, possibly the biggest fraud in the entire radio industry, spouting off his cliche one liners about the Red Sox and the Yankees and championships. Seriously, he needs to be fired or killed or something, listening to him is unbearable.
#106
Posted 06 October 2007 - 05:54 PM
Dennis/Callahan - I find them enjoyable and they do bring in good guests, overall the only show I listen to faithfully.
Dale/Holley - Has not been the same since Neumie left the show. Holley in July did not even know who Lowrie and Masterson were?
Big Show - When Sean McAdam or Rob Bradford or even Buckely are on as guests the show is bearable out when they unleash the others it gets really messy.
Mike Adam - Entertaining as a co-host on the baseball show but cannot carry his own show.
#107
Posted 09 October 2007 - 09:02 AM
I know it's my choice, but do I have to listen to him rant about holding the fact that they can trade Manny Ramirez over his head? They can't, he has an NTC granted by the CBA, you dumb fuck.
#108
Posted 09 October 2007 - 04:03 PM
Except for the four Yankee fans who call him every weekend has anyone ever had ANYthing positive to say about him??
#109
Posted 09 October 2007 - 04:08 PM
Was there any reason for this? Was there suppose to be a big interview that someone cancelled or something? Because if not, why the hell are they talking about their shitty interviews when they should be talking about the great game last night, and even more importantly, previewing the upcoming LCS?
#110
Posted 09 October 2007 - 04:39 PM
#111
Posted 09 October 2007 - 04:54 PM
I agree with Tony Massarotti that Terry Francona is a terrific manager, who doesn't always get the credit he deserves. I do find it amusing however, that Tony gets all over the WEEI guys for being "suckups" to Bill Belichick, when Tony has the same track record with Red Sox managers. You'll recall he was one of the those vocal few (along with Sean McAdam) adamantly insisting that Grady Little deserved to keep his job after game seven in 2003.
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#112
Posted 10 October 2007 - 07:11 AM
#113
Posted 10 October 2007 - 07:34 AM
Anybody want to let Gerry Callahan know the 10-5 rules?
I know it's my choice, but do I have to listen to him rant about holding the fact that they can trade Manny Ramirez over his head? They can't, he has an NTC granted by the CBA, you dumb fuck.
And Callahan would respond, in his smug/arrogant way, that "Do you really think Manny knows this? All he cares about in the off-season is lying on the beach in Miami."
#114
Posted 10 October 2007 - 12:11 PM
Don't forget the illegal immigrant diatribe.Gotta love it. You have the local football team at 5-0 and playing another 5-0 team on Sunday. You have the local baseball team in the ALCS. And you have probably the most hated rival of any Boston sports team reeling and about to overhaul their team and D&C are still talking about Michael Vick.
Also loved last week when they decided to spend 2 hours on the firemen that were drunk during the fire instead of the baseball playoffs.
Granted they are better than what EEI was putting on during their suspension, but I find my tolerance for them isn't very high.
#115
Posted 10 October 2007 - 12:47 PM
Granted they are better than what EEI was putting on during their suspension, but I find my tolerance for them isn't very high.
For me, I find the opposite. I don't listen at all during headlines, but if they veer off into non-sports talk I'm way more ok with it than I was three months ago. Mornings with Burton, Mustard, Johnson, Smerlas, etc. was terrible. Just awful, awful radio. And we got another (albeit brief) taste of it this morning when Larry Johnson called into the show to confirm something was in the Bible.
To my ears, after he made the confirmation, it sounded like Dennis and Callahan were rushing him off the air, but LJ had no where to go and made a couple of really, really lame jokes about Frank from Gloucester ("He and Joe Torre have something in common now. They're both retired! Ha!) and something else, but I can't remember. D&C were like, "Ok. Thanks good bye."
#116
Posted 10 October 2007 - 03:07 PM
#117
Posted 10 October 2007 - 03:26 PM
I caught that this morning with LJ's brief callin. LJ started talking about how Vick is addicted to weed. And he made one strange remark ("You know something about that. John."). There was an awkward silence followed by D&C thinking LJ was talking about Meter and Meter having no idea what LJ was getting at. I got the sense D&C could feel their ratings plunge and told LJ "goodbye" a.s.a.p.
So Meter's Manny rants may be attributable to weed? THAT would make sense. Indeed, it may be the only thing to have emerged from that early-morning D&C cesspool that makes sense, interviews aside.
#118
Posted 10 October 2007 - 04:55 PM
Edited by Haunted, 10 October 2007 - 04:55 PM.
#119
Posted 12 October 2007 - 08:55 PM
Wow, just wow.
#120
Posted 14 October 2007 - 02:07 PM
Any what is it with all of the D&C haters. Callahan may not have the baseball knowledge as some of the "experts" at Baseball Prospectus but he is very provocative and extremely entertaining. Callahan also draws more guests to his program then the others. Was anyone listening to the Larry Johnson show when Callahan and Dennis were out of the studio? LJ just made D&C that much better.
Edited by mccarty03, 14 October 2007 - 02:08 PM.
#121
Posted 14 October 2007 - 02:43 PM
If you did, did Canseco say anything mildly interesting?
#122
Posted 14 October 2007 - 03:39 PM
listened in and out through my hangover nothing noteworthy, mainly callers talking way too long kissing up to Mr. Canseco. Best part was when the show ended and Jose asked Burton to call him later.Did anybody listen to Burton and Canseco this afternoon?
If you did, did Canseco say anything mildly interesting?
#123
Posted 14 October 2007 - 11:53 PM
#124
Posted 17 October 2007 - 02:35 PM
#125
Posted 17 October 2007 - 02:41 PM
On the Big Show, they are talking about Theo's condescending interview with "LT". Who is LT and what happened in the interview?
It was actually with "LB", Lyndon Byers. He is a host on WAAF's morning show, and apparently when he pressed Theo about using Drew and not Ellsbury, Theo pretty much told him he knew nothing and threatened to end the call. He then described the Red Sox as the "best team." However, there had to be more to it for Theo to threaten to end the conversation. The weird thing is that I think the interview is from September and WEEI is only making a big deal about it now because a caller mentioned it on Dale & Holley earlier.
Edited by redsoxcentury, 17 October 2007 - 02:42 PM.
#126
Posted 17 October 2007 - 02:53 PM
It was actually with "LB", Lyndon Byers. He is a host on WAAF's morning show, and apparently when he pressed Theo about using Drew and not Ellsbury, Theo pretty much told him he knew nothing and threatened to end the call. He then described the Red Sox as the "best team." However, there had to be more to it for Theo to threaten to end the conversation. The weird thing is that I think the interview is from September and WEEI is only making a big deal about it now because a caller mentioned it on Dale & Holley earlier.
Got it. Yeah Ordway just explained that EEI just found out the same thing. That it was a replay of an interview from early september and WAAF decided to go with it again today. I guess it wasn't even explained this morning as a lot of people have called in saying they heard the interview.
#127
Posted 17 October 2007 - 04:43 PM
#128
Posted 17 October 2007 - 04:45 PM
#129
Posted 17 October 2007 - 08:11 PM
Got it. Yeah Ordway just explained that EEI just found out the same thing. That it was a replay of an interview from early september and WAAF decided to go with it again today. I guess it wasn't even explained this morning as a lot of people have called in saying they heard the interview.
I thought it was pretty unprofessional of them to play the clip of Theo sounding like an asshole, a subtle shot at the GM, every ten minutes throughout the day without knowing the interview took place a while ago. Someone at WEEI had to have picked up on this.
#130
Posted 17 October 2007 - 09:06 PM
I thought it was pretty unprofessional of them to play the clip of Theo sounding like an asshole, a subtle shot at the GM, every ten minutes throughout the day without knowing the interview took place a while ago. Someone at WEEI had to have picked up on this.
I'm a lifelong fan of BOTH the Sox and the Pats, so please don't misconstrue:
This station, and particularly the afternoon crew, would not even think of punking BB or Pioli like this, even after a playoff run much less in the middle of one. Today featured a funereal tone (with the clowns asserting the LCS is not over yet, but *wink - wink* it really is); a Kevin Costner style replaying of the foregoing audio clip (think of the Z-film in "JFK"); and an all out assault on the bad FA and trade moves made by Theo.
Don't get me wrong -- I think there is much to criticize about what this FO has done in FA and the trade market. I hope that there will be a healthy discussion of that here and elsewhere. But there is a time, and a place, and a tone for all this, and the afternoon crew especially flunked all three.
Contrast their reaction to the Pats' 5-turnover, penalty plagued ouster at Denver in the 2005 divisional playoffs. Or last year's defeat at Indy in the Conference Championship game after leading 20 to 3 at the half. Anyone who called even to suggest that the FO's handling of the WR situation MIGHT have contributed to the latter was immediately decapitated.
Yes, the Pats along with the Spurs might be the best run franchises in pro sports in this century. Yes, the Pats are/were a dynasty while the Sox are not. I get it. But this does not even begin to justify the thinly-veiled bias and disparate treatment.
#131
Posted 17 October 2007 - 10:26 PM
This station, and particularly the afternoon crew, would not even think of punking BB or Pioli like this, even after a playoff run much less in the middle of one. Today featured a funereal tone (with the clowns asserting the LCS is not over yet, but *wink - wink* it really is); a Kevin Costner style replaying of the foregoing audio clip (think of the Z-film in "JFK"); and an all out assault on the bad FA and trade moves made by Theo.
I think they appropriately called out BB on the "cameragate" crap. They called him arrogant and said that he belived he was above the rules. A lot of the cohosts have gotten on harrison recently as well after it came out that he was receiving HGH while he wasn't injured (contrurary to his statement).
Obviously with such fanboys as pete, steve, and fred, doing the BB interview, you're not going to get a whole lot of railing on the pats.
I'm too young (22) and from a region that did not have WEEI (western mass) so I don't know how they treated the pats in the 2-5 win years, so I can't comment on the past. Not much to complain about this year, though :-)
#132
Posted 18 October 2007 - 08:05 AM
BB and Pioli have a lot more cache than Theo. 3 superbowls in 5 year and being one play away from making it 4 in 6 gives you that.This station, and particularly the afternoon crew, would not even think of punking BB or Pioli like this, even after a playoff run much less in the middle of one. Today featured a funereal tone (with the clowns asserting the LCS is not over yet, but *wink - wink* it really is); a Kevin Costner style replaying of the foregoing audio clip (think of the Z-film in "JFK"); and an all out assault on the bad FA and trade moves made by Theo.
I can almost guarantee that if the Pats only have 1 superbowl under their belts and were consistently getting beaten (and looking like garbage while doing it) during the wildcard or divisional playoff games they would be getting the same crap.
Plus, if the Pats lose a playoff game, it is one game. Baseball the process is long and drawn out and there is more to bitch about.
#133
Posted 18 October 2007 - 09:06 AM
I think they appropriately called out BB on the "cameragate" crap. They called him arrogant and said that he belived he was above the rules. A lot of the cohosts have gotten on harrison recently as well after it came out that he was receiving HGH while he wasn't injured (contrurary to his statement).
Obviously with such fanboys as pete, steve, and fred, doing the BB interview, you're not going to get a whole lot of railing on the pats.
I'm too young (22) and from a region that did not have WEEI (western mass) so I don't know how they treated the pats in the 2-5 win years, so I can't comment on the past. Not much to complain about this year, though :-)
Dale Arnold was on BB pretty good and he was very clear in his displeasure of the whole episode. The Pom-Pom boys during the afternoon (Pete/Fred/Glenn/Steve) while admitting it was wrong basically did everything they could to defend BB by using the "Everyone is doing it" and "what did they really gain from it?? no harm no foul" excuses.
I think the main difference in the coverage on WEEI from a Sox and Pats perspective is that the Baseball Experts (McAdams/Tony M/Buckley) will be critical of the team and can have an objective view. The football experts (Steve/Fred) really don't look at the Pats through objective lenses. As someone pointed out earlier, if you call into the station to question a move by BB, Fred will just talk right over you call you a moron and everyone gets a good laugh. There really isn't any good objective analysis when it comes to the Pats. Which is fine, I don't expect it to be honest. The Pats have had a tremendous run, but there have been areas where you could call into question either play calling or personel decisions, but the Pom-Pom boys will have none of it.
#134
Posted 18 October 2007 - 09:18 AM
I don't know why, but I am taking a perverse joy in listening to how bad she sucks. Actually my favorite car game to play is to see how many errors she makes in one flash. I have not heard her do a flash without making at least one factual error. It's just the awesomest thing ever.
#135
Posted 18 October 2007 - 02:42 PM
Did anybody listen to Burton and Canseco this afternoon?
If you did, did Canseco say anything mildly interesting?
I heard some of it (came in mid-show and couldn't figure out at first who the moron was talking about having played on the Sox). Canseco predicted the Sox would win the ALCS because they're the better team, but was gleeful that Schilling had lost game two, because he hates Schilling. Called Schilling's character into question (seriously, and then Burton said, you are calling someone's character into question!?) and seemed to use as "proof" the fact that Congress, at the end of Schilling's testimony, reprimanded him.
It's possible that Canseco tried to insinuate at one point that Schilling may have used something, but he's so inarticulate, I really wasn't sure WTF he was talking about.
Burton also pressed him on what goods Canseco has on A-Rod, and Canseco admitted he's never used with A-Rod or seen A-Rod using, but that he believes A-Rod used because he knew A-Rod associated with someone who got steroids/whatever for players.
And my summation of that five minutes is probably less confusing and erratic than actually listening to him speak. Is this seriously a show going forward, and not just an ill-conceived in-studio interview?
#136
Posted 18 October 2007 - 05:33 PM
In baseball during the regular season, teams are worried about one stretch, and may not to overwork their bullpen. Players sit out due to injury more often, because it's a longer season. Contracts are not guaranteed, there's a sophisticated minor league system with complicated rules on calling people up, and option years.
I feel that a lot of the "average 18-34 year old males" that listen to WEEI don't really understand how the game of baseball works, and that the season's a marathon. They don't understand how the drafting/free agent process works, and don't understand the value of prospects, since you may not see them right away like you do in football/basketball.
Most EEI/media personalities have a "football mentality," and you simply can't take that approach with baseball, or else you're going to be doing a whole lot of complaining over nothing. And hey, that's what they do at EEI most of the time. Funny how that works.
#137
Posted 19 October 2007 - 09:29 AM
#138
Posted 19 October 2007 - 09:50 AM
Uhh...
#139
Posted 19 October 2007 - 03:55 PM
The sad thing is that Dale Arnold is very good overall and Holley just ruins the entire show. Arnold worked so well with Neumie it is to bad that he left.
#140
Posted 19 October 2007 - 04:09 PM
I would take Callahan any day over Mike Holley and some of the others. In terms of overall sports knowledge he ranks higher and he is far more entertaining. When Holley did not know who Bowden or Masterson were in August I realized how terrible he truly is.
The sad thing is that Dale Arnold is very good overall and Holley just ruins the entire show. Arnold worked so well with Neumie it is to bad that he left.
I agree that Dale was better when paired with Neumie. Holley is a terrible interviewer and I would be happy if I never heard "Outstanding" again for the rest of my life.
#141
Posted 23 October 2007 - 07:59 AM
He was so much better when he wasn't kissing Callahan's ass and the scary thing is how quickly he went back to it when D&C came back.
I ask people with inside knowledge of EEI, what is the general opinion of him? I'm not sure if it is schtick or not but "The Big Show" certainly doesn't seem to care for him and neither does Dale and Holley from what I can tell.
Edited by HomeBrew1901, 23 October 2007 - 08:00 AM.
#142
Posted 23 October 2007 - 08:40 AM
Yeah, I think it's a schtick but you're right in that it might hurt his future career. Sooner or later, he needs to take himself seriously if he expects others to do the same. Getting sand kicked in his face everyday by Gerry and even guests like Schill and Lucchino can't be much fun. As Billy Chapel said in the movie, "Don't let them make a joke out of you."I understand that it is schtick, but I forgot how much I disliked Metar-parel and his nasally crotch-gobbling that he does with Callahan. It has really gotten old and I wouldn't be surprised if it hurts his career down the road. As soon as D&C returned he completely obliterated every co-host that "interviewed" for D&C's position while they were on hiatus.
He was so much better when he wasn't kissing Callahan's ass and the scary thing is how quickly he went back to it when D&C came back.
I ask people with inside knowledge of EEI, what is the general opinion of him? I'm not sure if it is schtick or not but "The Big Show" certainly doesn't seem to care for him and neither does Dale and Holley from what I can tell.
#143
Posted 23 October 2007 - 09:02 AM
It's weird with this guy because he does have some other gigs (BC Football, NE Revolution and that professional softball league); but his voice isn't very good and he seems like a dink. Did he get his other jobs because he was good or because it's sort of free advertising for the teams because they know he's going to talk about them on morning drive time? I don't know.
#144
Posted 23 October 2007 - 09:04 AM
#145
Posted 23 October 2007 - 09:22 AM
I wasn't around for Grande, but at least Sheppard doesn't kiss Ordway's ass or take any crap from him. His schtick is being a "Pom Pom Boy" with Fred and being a crumudgeon to callers. But he appears to know his stuff and is a genuine 4 sport Boston fan that, with the exception of the Patriots, has no problem ripping on or congratulating the local teams.I'm not sure who Meterperrel is modeling hsi career after. Sean Grande wasn't this bad when he was a flash boy and even Pete Sheppard has his own weekly show.
It's weird with this guy because he does have some other gigs (BC Football, NE Revolution and that professional softball league); but his voice isn't very good and he seems like a dink. Did he get his other jobs because he was good or because it's sort of free advertising for the teams because they know he's going to talk about them on morning drive time? I don't know.
Meter seems to unnecessarily rip on all four teams just for the sake of playing contrarian when he has absolutely nothing to back up his opinions. I mean, does he really expect to get ANY job with the Sox under the current ownership group with his smug questioning of Schilling and Luccino?
JMOH you summed it up perfectly, he just seems like a dink that is being a jerk because someone else wants him to.
#146
Posted 23 October 2007 - 03:39 PM
#147
Posted 23 October 2007 - 05:09 PM
If anyone listens tol Holley on a daily basis it is becoming very obvious that he knows nothing about baseball. Hopefully his contract runs out soon.
#148
Posted 23 October 2007 - 05:42 PM
I forget who here it was - BRK? - who knew Meterparel in high school and claimed he was a great guy. A few years back Bill Simmons had a mini-feud with Pete Sheppard, only to kiss and make up at the Super Bowl in New Orleans. Simmons wrote something to the effect that Sheppard was nothing at all like his on-air persona. Who knows - maybe Bill Burt's idiotic image is just an act, too.Yeah, I think it's a schtick but you're right in that it might hurt his future career. Sooner or later, he needs to take himself seriously if he expects others to do the same. Getting sand kicked in his face everyday by Gerry and even guests like Schill and Lucchino can't be much fun. As Billy Chapel said in the movie, "Don't let them make a joke out of you."
#149
Posted 23 October 2007 - 07:09 PM
Listening to Steve Burton try to keep up today (WS roster talk) is excruciating. It really makes me feel bad for him that he can't grasp the concepts at play.
As I wrote in the previous page of this thread, I feel that the majority of "talent" at EEI doesn't grasp baseball, and therefore they frequently complain, since they take the football mentality and carry it over to baseball.
I didn't hear Burton today, so I'm not commenting on this specific incident. I'm just commenting on WEEI/Boston media as a whole.
#150
Posted 24 October 2007 - 07:29 AM
As I wrote in the previous page of this thread, I feel that the majority of "talent" at EEI doesn't grasp baseball, and therefore they frequently complain, since they take the football mentality and carry it over to baseball.
I didn't hear Burton today, so I'm not commenting on this specific incident. I'm just commenting on WEEI/Boston media as a whole.
Thank you! My thoughts exactly. Granted the format of sports radio is made for the reactionary, emotional, do-or-die commentary but at WEEI they are def. more of a football group than baseball.
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