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[Phenom]

Mods: Feel free to change the title of this thread if you want something more creative.

With this being my first thread on SOSH, I feel that starting with a general topic like WEEI is a good place to start. Let's face it, many of us, including myself, continually bash it, but yet, I still listen. I want to rundown each show, and give my quick thoughts on them. Feel free to reply to this thread and do the same.

Dennis and Callahan: This is tough to review, considering Callahan hasn't been present for months. When Gerry is on the air with Dennis though, I find the show to be a spin off of Michael Savage, with some sports discussion thrown into the mix. In order to be a successful morning jock, I believe that you do need to stray away from sports, and be more pop culture oriented. However, I just find Callahan's neo-conservative views too much to take at 7 AM. And don't get me started on Meter. The guy is a phony, plain and simple. He seems like a wannabe conservative.

Dale and Holley: I believe that Dale and Holley is the best weekday show on EEI. The banter is mostly intelligent, and both cohosts don't prescribe to the theory "Whoever yells loudest is right." The show is well balanced, as emails are read, calls are taken, and there is normally an interview every episode. The midday timeslot is perfect for Dale and Holley, because it's easy listening for the middle of the day.

The Big Show: I happen to believe that Glen Ordway is actually a pretty good radio talk show host, but the quality of the show all depends on who the cohosts are. If Rob Bradford and Sean McAdam are the cohosts, then I find the show much more tolerable. However, most of the time the cohosts are an array of clowns, like Bill Burt, Butchy Stearns, Steve Burton, and Larry FUCKING Johnson. It's too bad that the cohosts generally suck, that Pete Sheppard is still employed, and that the callers seem to represent the scum of society.

Planet Mike: Mike Adams is perfect for the overnight timeslot. He is "cooky," but that type of schtick is pefect for his core audience. At least Adams seems like he's an actual sports fan, and that he really enjoys his job. That's more than you can say for 80% of Boston's Sports Media.

John Rische: John Rische is personally my favorite personality on EEI. It's too bad he's stuck doing the 11-1 shift, dealing with the drunk "coming home from the game" callers. Rische's arguments are well thought out, and unlike most of the EEI community, not reactionary. I'd love to see John Rische get a shot filling in for one of the weekday hosts, instead of seeing some loser like Steve Burton get the opportunity.

Various weekend shows: I happen to enjoy the fact that WEEI puts on original weekend programming. Now, most of it is painful to listen to (Meter and Mutt anyone?), but it's a helluva lot better than listening to some national "know it all" yapping about dogfighting and Tim Donaghy.

Mustard and Johnson: This show is "not my cup of tea," as it features Larry FUCKING Johnson and Craig Mustard, the callers are the most idiotic the station has to offer, and the conversational topics represent everything that is wrong with sports talk radio. I do consider this show harmless though, as it's easily avoidable. Unlike "The Big Show," which is on at peak hours, this show is on Saturday morning, and the hosts don't claim to be right about everything, as Butchy Stearns normally does. With that said, I would still vote "Mustard and Johnson" the worst regular radio show that WEEI has to offer.

Sunday Baseball Show: I LOVE the "Sunday Baseball Show." The cast is put together perfectly. Steve Buckley, who's often irritating on "The Big Show," is perfect for Sunday morning. He's somewhat low key, and really represents the old time baseball fan. Sean McAdam has the inside info, and has very good chemistry with Buck. Mike Adams is the perfect foil for McAdam and Buckley, and he represents the "average joe." I also find the callers to be slightly more intellectual on this show, but then again, I can only think off one intellectual caller, (Jeff from Watertown). Regardless of the callers though, this show produces the best baseball content all week, and that is why it is my favorite show on the station.

There ya have it, my personal rundown on EEI, and my thoughts on each of their shows. Yes, I often find myself pulling my hair out when I'm listening to WEEI, but when you look around at what the rest of the country considers sports talk radio, we have it pretty good here in Boston.

Late edit: Grammar

Edited by Phenom, 01 August 2007 - 09:35 AM.

[Metrician]

I listen, but I don't like it. Untill they get some competition from a station with a quality signal, we will never know if they are as good as they think they are. I find myself hitting other presets -alot- particularly when lame regular callers phone to get their fix.

Because the RS are the locamotive (even though they are on 680) that pulls this multi-station franchise I give them credit, but not high grades. I honestly believe all their personalites are fungible. Nobody would be missed if he left(Andelman,Teddy), although the closest who comes to dispelling that is Ordway who I think is the best broadcaster of the bunch. The RS and Pat's games and their offseason dealings are all the programing EEI needs.

But maybe you are not supposed to like talk radio: I think I'm proving that now as I listen to music rather than ESPNr. EEI is nothing more than a delivery system of RS discussion: it isn't a great radio station in the classical sense.

[biollante]

"Let's face it, many of us, including myself, continually bash it, but yet, I still listen."

I don't listen. Neither should you.

[Phenom]

"Let's face it, many of us, including myself, continually bash it, but yet, I still listen."

I don't listen. Neither should you.

I listen to music a lot of the time now, but I still listen to EEI, because I love sports. I don't hate all of it. I feel Dale and Holley is pretty good, and I really like the Sunday Baseball Show.

Whenever I hear Larry Johnson's voice though, I instantly switch to another station.

[Rasputin]

"Let's face it, many of us, including myself, continually bash it, but yet, I still listen."

I don't listen. Neither should you.

This, this is is truth. You need to respect the truth.

[Razor Shines]

I posted this elsewhere, but the Sunday morning baseball show (with Sean McAdam, Mike Adams, and Steve Buckley) is my favorite thing on the radio. I make it a point to drag myself out of a hangover-induced coma, trudge painfully over to the radio, and put on WEEI every Sunday at 10 am. McAdam and Buckley both have interesting things to say, they both have contacts among scouts, players, and other media, and they usually relay interesting stuff on the show. Mike Adams is a clown, and recycles jokes like a homeless guy recycles other peoples' beer cans, but he fits in well with the other two guys (both are probably too "dry" to carry the show without a guy like Adams).

Dale & Holley are decent, in that they both are not crazy mouthbreathing yahoos like the majority of other hosts, but sometimes their lack of baseball knowledge frustrates me. They are great during Pats/Celtics season, though.

Ordway is probably my least favorite person in the local sports media, and I can't really go 2 minutes without punching a wall if I listen to him. In my book, CHB is a few notches above him. When the two ex-NFL meatheads are on his show, wow, you can actually hear the lack of braincells rattling around their collective skulls in the studio.

[Buck Showalter]

Once in a great while I'll tune-in and give EEI some of my focus.

Last week, I listened to Ordway just 'drown-out' Sean McAdam of The Providence Journal and Paul Perillo of the Patriots Football Weekly. The dialogue between McAdam and Perillo was actually quite good........but each time they were able to develop a little momentum - Ordway jumped-in like the 'Chris Farley Salesman' routine.

[Phenom]

Ordway is probably my least favorite person in the local sports media, and I can't really go 2 minutes without punching a wall if I listen to him. In my book, CHB is a few notches above him. When the two ex-NFL meatheads are on his show, wow, you can actually hear the lack of braincells rattling around their collective skulls in the studio.

I find Ordway much easier to take when his cohosts are Rob Bradford/Sean McAdam/Tom Caron, etc. Most of the time though, the cast is Ordway, Sheppard, LJ, and Smerles, and really, I can't go 2 minutes either without punching a wall when I listen to those meatheads. Again though, whenever I hear a cast like that, I normally turn off EEI.

Edit: By the way, I agree about Adams. He is a perfect match for McAdam and Buckley. As I stated in my original post, the cast for the "Sunday Baseball Show" is put together wonderfully.

Edited by Phenom, 01 August 2007 - 11:57 AM.

[Vinho Tinto]

I posted this elsewhere, but the Sunday morning baseball show (with Sean McAdam, Mike Adams, and Steve Buckley) is my favorite thing on the radio. I make it a point to drag myself out of a hangover-induced coma, trudge painfully over to the radio, and put on WEEI every Sunday at 10 am. McAdam and Buckley both have interesting things to say, they both have contacts among scouts, players, and other media, and they usually relay interesting stuff on the show. Mike Adams is a clown, and recycles jokes like a homeless guy recycles other peoples' beer cans, but he fits in well with the other two guys (both are probably too "dry" to carry the show without a guy like Adams).

I like the show, but it was better with Neumy as host and Peter Gammons was able to call in (ESPN now blocks their people from appearing outside the network).

[SoxScout]

I like the show, but it was better with Neumy as host and Peter Gammons was able to call in (ESPN now blocks their people from appearing outside the network).

why was he on msnbc this morning then?

[January]

Gotta agree on Ordway, although the fact that his show has the worst caller selection ever could be a factor.

[dirtynine]

(ESPN now blocks their people from appearing outside the network).

Actually, the block is because ESPN now has a competing AM station in the market (890), they made Gammons an exclusive to it (on the Felger show).

[BS_SoxFan]

I've had gripes with WEEI in the past, but over the last two weeks I have been working a job in Merrimack, NH and have been unable to get WEEI on the radio. Instead we have been forced to listen to WGAM and the Sporting News Radio National Broadcast. After listening to Tony Bruno today I will never, ever complain about WEEI again. Tony Bruno is, without a doubt, the most insufferable, unlistenable personality on radio. I would rather listen to JT the Brick and Jim Rome 24 hours a day for the rest of my life than ever listen to Tony Bruno again for even an hour.

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

You know what? I'm bummed that they took Jim Rome off the air in Boston. I liked him. I know that I'm not supposed to like him, but I do.

[yecul]

You know what? I'm bummed that they took Jim Rome off the air in Boston. I liked him. I know that I'm not supposed to like him, but I do.

Is his radio show better than his ESPN one? That is the most horrible thing ever. His opinions are stupid. His humor is worse. And the deliver, oh good god the delivery. Generally I dont' buy into the controversy for controversy sake that is his bread and butter, so I probably am not the best to evaluate him.

[Vinho Tinto]

Actually, the block is because ESPN now has a competing AM station in the market (890), they made Gammons an exclusive to it (on the Felger show).

He's not exclusive to 890 Boston, he's exclusive to ESPN (Radio, TV, web, etc). That's why his columns are no longer reprinted in other publications. It's the same for all their contracted personalities. The company line is that they don't want to have their people helping the competition.

Mike Francessa and John Walsh had a discussion on ESPN's policies on WFAN a few weeks ago. You can listen to it on the WFAN website.

[dirtynine]

You're right... I should have said "exclusive to 890 in the Boston market". And it sucks, because the Baseball Show with Neumie and Gammons was even better than the current incarnation. I've heard a few segments with Gammons on 890, and Felger has pretty bad interviewing skills, but it almost doesn't matter. Gammons will always be a great listen.

[Vinho Tinto]

Gammons will always be a great listen.

Indeed.

I've heard him on many programs (M&MD, the Big Show, Mike and Mike, etc) and he always carries a segment. I can see ESPN's point, but they would be better off keeping their focus in building up their talent base. I'm not going to listen to a radio show just to listen to Gammons or Kiper.

[Phenom]

Gotta agree on Ordway, although the fact that his show has the worst caller selection ever could be a factor.

The callers are my biggest gripe with EEI. It's stunning that those people can even hold down jobs.

However, in a rare case when Glen and company get an intelligent caller, they normally blow the caller up, because the caller isn't ranting and raving, and therefore Sheppard can't comprehend what's being said.

[shawnrbu]

The callers are my biggest gripe with EEI. It's stunning that those people can even hold down jobs.

Any thoughts on Frank from Gloucester? Whenever I hear him call in, I'm turning my dial way up. Sad whenever Dennis or Ordway has him blown up.

[Phenom]

Any thoughts on Frank from Gloucester? Whenever I hear him call in, I'm turning my dial way up. Sad whenever Dennis or Ordway has him blown up.

I prefer Frank to Jermaine....which isn't saying much.

[thekfish]

Any thoughts on Frank from Gloucester? Whenever I hear him call in, I'm turning my dial way up. Sad whenever Dennis or Ordway has him blown up.

Can't stand frank. He should cal ny if he wants to ballwash the mfys.

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

Is his radio show better than his ESPN one?

I've only seen his ESPN show once or twice, so I can't really compare. The one thing that I enjoy about his radio show is the first 10 or 15 minutes where he opines about the day's events. I may not agree with all of his opinions, but at least he has one.

And the deliver, oh good god the delivery.

You're right, his delivery is pretty terrible and it's worse on the radio where he can go 5-8 seconds between words. It may not sound like a lot, but it is.

Generally I dont' buy into the controversy for controversy sake that is his bread and butter, so I probably am not the best to evaluate him.

Aside from the Jim/Chris Everett thing 15 years ago (which I am convinced was completely and totally staged and benefitted both parties if you really think about it) Rome isn't that controversial. When was the last time you've heard about him? He's stuck at a 4:00 pm spot on ESPN, his radio show is early in the morning on the west coast and mid day in the east.

I think he has his fame and he just does what he does.

His callers are fucking terrible though. Just awful.

[Phenom]

Butchy Stearns is hosting "The Big Show" today. Guess no EEI for me.

[dcmissle]

Butchy Stearns is hosting "The Big Show" today. Guess no EEI for me.

Your enjoyment may be enhanced if you keep the following in mind:

1. There are nuggets to be mined. Someone mentioned the baseball show. It may sound incredible, but when Orway, Smerlas and DeOsse are on during the football season, there is a LOT of knowledge to be had from the latter two on the subtleties of the game -- why players and coaches do what they do. There are other examples as well.

2. Much of what they do -- especially on the Big Show -- is an act geared to the demographic and to raise profile. When the 3 mentioned above bitch slap callers, it's not genuine. Install a mental filter.

3. Everything is relative. For example, there are no nuggets in the immense DC radio market beyond the occasional musings of Coach John Thompson. (Kornheiser's act locally is growing stale; he's becoming a caricature of himself).

4. The Whiner Line is great. No one anywhere else can offer up the Bob Kraft guy.

[shawnrbu]

A quick headsup for this weekend:

Jon Meterparel, of the Dennis and Callahan Morning Show, dropped the bombshell this morning that he will be doing PBP for the PawSox on Sunday and Monday, which happens to be a Buchholz start. Could this be the start of Meter's grassroots campaign to fill the void in the chair when Joe Castiglione one day decides to call it a career behind the mic as The Voice of The Boston Red Sox?

[Phenom]

Your enjoyment may be enhanced if you keep the following in mind:

1. There are nuggets to be mined. Someone mentioned the baseball show. It may sound incredible, but when Orway, Smerlas and DeOsse are on during the football season, there is a LOT of knowledge to be had from the latter two on the subtleties of the game -- why players and coaches do what they do. There are other examples as well.

2. Much of what they do -- especially on the Big Show -- is an act geared to the demographic and to raise profile. When the 3 mentioned above bitch slap callers, it's not genuine. Install a mental filter.

3. Everything is relative. For example, there are no nuggets in the immense DC radio market beyond the occasional musings of Coach John Thompson. (Kornheiser's act locally is growing stale; he's becoming a caricature of himself).

4. The Whiner Line is great. No one anywhere else can offer up the Bob Kraft guy.

I don't know if you read the first entry in this thread, but I thought I made it clear that I'm not your typical "smart sports fan" EEI hater. I love the baseball show, I really like Dale & Holley, I enjoy Mike Adams/John Rische, and I like "The Big Show" when anybody but LJ, Stearns, and Burton are on. Compared to every other market in the country, we have it pretty good here in Boston, as far as sports radio goes.

I also agree that Smerlas and DeOssie are very good during football season, however somebody like Larry Johnson is never insightful, no matter what time of year it is. I have no problem with Ordway. I feel he is a good radio talk show host. Again though, listening to Pete Sheppard, and Butch Stearns yelling about Manny not hustling isn't what I would call entertaining radio. I don't need people to break down all these complex statistics. I'm not looking for that, and 98% of the public isn't either. Wilbon and Kornheiser never talk about any stat besides batting average, home runs, and RBI, and I could easily listen to those two do a four hour radio show. But just yelling about foolishness like Manny's hair seems stupid to me, hence why I don't listen when topics like that are brought up.

Edit: Grammar

Edited by Phenom, 03 August 2007 - 02:36 PM.

[Phenom]

As a sidenote....I HATE Meter. What a negative piece of shit. I can't stand his "fake radio voice" either.

Edit: Grammar

Edited by Phenom, 04 August 2007 - 06:59 PM.

[LoneWarrior1]

FWIW: Meter's "fake radio voice" isn't all that fake. It might be embellished slightly, but that's pretty much his voice off the air too. Real nice guy.

[Phenom]

FWIW: Meter's "fake radio voice" isn't all that fake. It might be embellished slightly, but that's pretty much his voice off the air too. Real nice guy.

I'm sure he's a nice guy, I don't know him personally. I'm just not a huge fan of his on-air persona I guess.

[Sille Skrub]

You know what? I'm bummed that they took Jim Rome off the air in Boston. I liked him. I know that I'm not supposed to like him, but I do.

I totally agree, JMOH. I love Rome's radio show.

[Metrician]

Could this be the start of Meter's grassroots campaign to fill the void in the chair when Joe Castiglione one day decides to call it a career behind the mic as The Voice of The Boston Red Sox?

Knowing this ownership, I'm sure they already have someone in mind and I doubt Meter will even get a sniff. From the little I've heard of Dan Hoard/Pawsox, I'm impressed.

[Razor Shines]

Knowing this ownership, I'm sure they already have someone in mind and I doubt Meter will even get a sniff. From the little I've heard of Dan Hoard/Pawsox, I'm impressed.

Glen Geffner is somewhat similar to Meter (has a voice meant for DIII college women's lacrosse broadcasts), so nothing would surprise me at this point.

[David Laurila]

From the little I've heard of Dan Hoard/Pawsox, I'm impressed.

I've said this before, but Dan Hoard is better than a great many MLB radio guys. He'd be an excellent pairing with Castiglione. That said, the other PawSox broadcaster, Steve Hyder, is also very good.

edit = typo

Edited by David Laurila, 05 August 2007 - 10:23 PM.

[thekfish]

I've said this before, but Dan Hoard is better than a great many MLB radio guys. He'd be an excellent pairing with Castiglione. That said, the other PawSox broadcaster, Steve Hyder, is also very good.

edit = typo

I've known Hoard for some time. Used to do U Cincinnati basketball and did a little Reds. He's a good man.

[Phenom]

I can't believe I'm about to type this, but I'm enjoying DeOssie and Smerlas right now. I probably can't listen to them for much longer, but so far they rank higher than Mustard and LJ in my book.

[Phenom]

I thought I'd bump this thread up to discuss Dan Patrick's two day fill-in on D&C.

I really wish they didn't team Dan with Dickerson and Curran, as Patrick had no chemistry with them, and both seemed to want to "steal the show." I know it's unrealistic to expect Dan to stay at EEI, because he could get a more "high end" job elsewhere, and he doesn't have the knowledge of Boston sports that one would need to be a GOOD sports talk show host in Boston. (Notice I put "good" in caps).

It seems like Dennis and Callahan are not returning next week either, so EEI will have another week of fill-ins. Eventually some stability will have to come up the morning slot, right? Bob Halloran, Larry Fucking Johnson, and Craig Mustard cannot, and should not be full-time hosts, nevermind full-time hosts of the morning drive show.

Again, this is all assuming that D&C do not come back.

[eddiew112]

I have a question: Does anyone here know of a sports talk-show/station where the callers could be considered intelligent. From what I have heard on EEI, FAN, Tony Bruno, JT the Brick, and Jorge Sedano, callers that are smart, intelligent sports fans are in the minority.

[JeffFryesStartingJob]

I think Meter said Ron Borges will be in next week in the morning slot, fwiw

[Rough Carrigan]

I heard Glen Ordway arguing a couple days ago that the problem with the baseball operations department is that they "just fall in love" with certain players and never rethink that attachment. He "argued" that there was no way Boras would have let Drew go on the market unless he already had a huge commitment from the Sox.

This is why I hate Glen Ordway. He says stupid things and drags the level of the discussion ever downward. It's a total mystery why the only good right fielder on the free agent market, coming off a 100 rbi season and still young would think he could get more money and/or years than he got in a contract two years ago, is it? Well, if you're Glen "Let's be stupid" Ordway it is. Why this willfully stupid man with his retinue of horrendously dumb regular callers has to be inflicted on all of us escapes me.

[jthursto]

I like listening to EEI, it makes me feel superior.

[eddiew112]

Anyone else hear Meter today after Mustard and Johnson? He said that without Tom Brady, the Patriots would be lucky to win 5 games. That might have been the most idiotic statement I had ever heard on EEI...which is certainly saying something.

Edited by eddiew112, 26 August 2007 - 01:27 AM.

[shawnrbu]

I don't really see what's so idotic about that. Testaverde is ancient and Cassell hasn't started a game since high school. If Brady goes down on September 9th, I doubt they are a playoff team.

Edited by shawnrbu, 26 August 2007 - 08:49 AM.

[Foxsportsjughead]

It's a total mystery why the only good right fielder on the free agent market, coming off a 100 rbi season and still young would think he could get more money and/or years than he got in a contract two years ago, is it?

It's not a mystery or surprising. You do have to admit though there was debate given Drew's inconsistencies and health in the past as to whether they should go after him in the first place. Ordway and the Big Show say and discuss many stupid things, I'm not so sure debating whether Theo and the Sox should have gone after Drew with 5 years / 70 mil is stupid (of course if it went on for the whole show it definitely gets tedious and unlistenable).

[Rough Carrigan]

Ordway wasn't arguing the present contract at that point. He was arguing that there's no way Drew would opt out of the contract without there having been a back door deal. Really? He had just batted .283 with a .393 on base percentage, hit 20 homers and drove in 100 runs playing half his games in a pitcher's park. He's still young, 31, still has speed and *most* importantly, was pursued by the Red Sox the last time he was a free agent. Those are the same Red Sox whose previous right fielder they were letting go.

What was there in this that required tea leaves, Miss Cleo, Dionne Warwick or a nefarious back room deal. The three years and $11 million per that he had remaining on his Dodgers contract was pretty likely to be exceeded by what he could get on the market. To deny out of hand any other point of view was just the fat little nothing's typical riding the emotional trend of the moment and cutting off intelligent discussion.

[Foxsportsjughead]

Ordway wasn't arguing the present contract at that point. He was arguing that there's no way Drew would opt out of the contract without there having been a back door deal. Really? He had just batted .283 with a .393 on base percentage, hit 20 homers and drove in 100 runs playing half his games in a pitcher's park. He's still young, 31, still has speed and *most* importantly, was pursued by the Red Sox the last time he was a free agent. Those are the same Red Sox whose previous right fielder they were letting go.

What was there in this that required tea leaves, Miss Cleo, Dionne Warwick or a nefarious back room deal. The three years and $11 million per that he had remaining on his Dodgers contract was pretty likely to be exceeded by what he could get on the market. To deny out of hand any other point of view was just the fat little nothing's typical riding the emotional trend of the moment and cutting off intelligent discussion.

Ok...got it. And even though I questioned the signing, Drew's deal was in line with what other's got in the off-season. I'm not convinced though that the Dice-K and Drew signings weren't a Boras proposed you take JD Drew for 5/ $70 mil and we'll do Dice-K for $100 million (including posting) deal. Boras might have had insight as to what the MFY's and Mets were going to bid (of course what goes against that theory is then why did the Sox bid about $15 million more than the Mets). I know it's possible that it didn't quite happen like that--also think it's possible it did.

Either way you are right about Ordway and the Big Show attitude of there's no debating this --I'm right and anyone who argues is an a-hole.

[Rough Carrigan]

According to the most recent rumors, and they're just that, it was Daisuke who called off Boras and said to accept the last Boston offer rather than Boras advising anything of the sort.

And Boras is another part of the equation. What player who could opt for free agency has Boras NOT taken to the open market? The idea that this guy whose entire M.O. is to go to the open market only had his client do that because of a deal involving another client or a back room deal is silly.

The bigger point though is that Ordway, singlehandedly, brings DOWN the quality of discussion about the Red Sox. I'm no huge fan of Dale Arnold and Michael Holley but intelligent discussion is at least possible on their show. It almost never takes place on Ordway's show outside of McAdam bringing the occasional voice of sanity to the show.

What's really pathetic is that you could imagine Ordway trying to RAISE the level of discourse. Mike and the Mad Dog aren't brilliant or anything but the tone of their show is often much much better than Ordway's. And, what do half their total loser absolute moron callers add to the show? Nothing. Why have idiots who can barely gum and spittle out their words talk on a radio show? What's the point? Are these the only people whose arguments are dumber than Ordway's?

Edited by Rough Carrigan, 26 August 2007 - 07:52 PM.

[eddiew112]

I don't really see what's so idotic about that. Testaverde is ancient and Cassell hasn't started a game since high school. If Brady goes down on September 9th, I doubt they are a playoff team.

I think the Pats could win 8-9 games with Vinny at the helm, but that is beside the point. There is no way with the Patriots defense and other weapons on offense that would only win 5 games.

[Phenom]

I think the Pats could win 8-9 games with Vinny at the helm, but that is beside the point. There is no way with the Patriots defense and other weapons on offense that would only win 5 games.

I think that's nitpicking. I actually would agree with Meter on that point. If Brady goes down, then the Pats are in serious trouble.

You won't agree with everything that everybody says. I just get frustrated at foolishness, like saying JD Drew only entered the free agent market because he had a deal in place with the Red Sox. Saying that the Pats would suffer a major hit if Brady went down is not a foolish thing to say in my opinion.

[RedOctober3829]

Can't Jamie Parker go through ONE Sports Flash without stumbling over her words?? She's the worst.