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[JimBoSox9]

Really? I've heard the opposite, where he's been down-right nasty to college kids asking for advice, etc.

If I can be serious for a minute.....



I was a Freshman in college in 2001, and I was very set on going into the Mizzou Journalism school and becoming a sportswriter. When 9/11 happened, I was (obviously) very shook up, and I began to seriously question devoting myself to a profession that really is pretty frivolous. I emailed several sportswriters basically asking them how they felt about their chosen jobs at times like that. Not only was Shaughnessy the only one to respond, but he emailed me his personal phone number if I wanted to talk to him about it. I have always thought that was an extraordinarily nice thing for him to do.

[Doctuh]

He does come up with the occasional gem:

Thank God the D-Backs didn't beat Colorado or the Sox might have won the 2007 World Series in three.

[Average Reds]

Hadn't seen any mention of this anywhere on the site, but it paints such a dramatic contrast to the letter that G38 released yesterday that I thought it should be discussed. Move it if you feel it should be elsewhere.

Here is Schaughnessy discussing Curt Schilling on NESN with Bob Ryan. I believe this was yesterday, but I'm not sure.

This campaign for this next year, it's .. it's so pathetic.

Goes on to call Schilling "needy," talked about the whole effort being about feeding his ego and claimed that Schilling announced his intention to seek an extension in spring training on a radio show without first informing Red Sox management, which G38 denounced as a complete lie back then.

And then there's this:

He has alienated both Larry Lucchino and Theo Epstein against him. And ... that's not a good thing to do. These two don't agree on a lot. They agree on their dislike for this guy and they can find someone to win 9 or 10 games at a lot less dough.

And finally this:

He delivered. He delivered and you give him his props. He's still an all-time fraud.

Interesting thing about this is the segment started off and ended with both acknowledging that Schilling has come up big when he needed to throughout his time in Boston. So this is how they treated him in a retrospective moment when the context was praise for his postseason performance.

Aside from the fact that CHB has decidede to be completely upfront with his hatred of Schilling, my question is this: to what extent (if at all) is this attitude actually indicative of the way the Sox management feels? Or is this just CHB and Ryan freelancing? Because they certainly come off sounding like this isn't a big secret they're letting us in on.

You can get the video here: http://www.boston.co...aseball/redsox/

Video link is on the right side of the page entitled "Schilling's pathetic campaign." (I'm a techno idiot - not sure how to do the direct link.)

[jthursto]

I'm not into the Shaughnessy bashing like many on this board though I think he's 100% wrong in his assessment of Curt. I think both he and Schilling come across as a couple of junior high school girls with their petty feud. However, I don't believe for a minute there are bad feelings between Curt and the FO or that the FO is united in their dislike of Schilling. As a matter of fact, I believe the FO is probably united in their recognition of the absolutely incredible things he has done for the the team. So, I chalk this up to Ryan and Shaughnessy trying to fill airtime and stir the pot. Actually, I'm surprised Shaugnessy was able to get a word in edgewise. Usually Ryan just invites a colleague on the show so he can interrupt them and give his own point of view.

[GriffinDoerr]

I can't be the only person who finds CHB calling Schilling a pathetic fraud to be the ultimate irony, can I?

[David Laurila]

I think both he and Schilling come across as a couple of junior high school girls with their petty feud.

A big difference being that one is using this to feed his ego and make money off of it, while the other isn't.

[jthursto]

A big difference being that one is using this to feed his ego and make money off of it, while the other isn't.

Maybe. Can't really say you're wrong re: Shaughnessy's ego; don't know him. But he gets paid whether he maintains a feud with Schilling or not. I just find the whole thing beneath the both of them.

[m0ckduck]

Maybe. Can't really say you're wrong re: Shaughnessy's ego; don't know him. But he gets paid whether he maintains a feud with Schilling or not. I just find the whole thing beneath the both of them.

Well, maybe a better way to phrase the distinction between them is that one is meant to be the story and the other is not-- that's what I think gets lost in this 'they're both being equally childish' formulation. As a sports fan, I am generally interested in Curt Schilling, therefore I help pay CHB's salary to inform me about the doings of Curt Schilling. I am not interested in the thoughts or opinions of CHB outside of the extent to which they help me better understand Curt Schilling. That's the fundamental thing that Shaughnessy doesn't get that makes him so goddamn annoying.

[jthursto]

Well, maybe a better way to phrase the distinction between them is that one is meant to be the story and the other is not-- that's what I think gets lost in this 'they're both being equally childish' formulation. As a sports fan, I am generally interested in Curt Schilling, therefore I help pay CHB's salary to inform me about the doings of Curt Schilling. I am not interested in the thoughts or opinions of CHB outside of the extent to which they help me better understand Curt Schilling. That's the fundamental thing that Shaughnessy doesn't get that makes him so goddamn annoying.

Well he's a columnist so you have to expect him to be provocative to a certain extent. He's not a beat writer. On the occasions he gets personal, that's where I find him to be at fault. I think I implied as much in my original post. And I love Schill, but happen to believe that he doesn't come to the table with clean hands.

[ehaz]

http://www.barstools...dan_shaughnessy



Anyway, he is doing a booksigning for his new book (which is awful, by the way) at the Barnes & Noble in Holyoke, Mass where I work on June 9th. I'm thinking of printing out that picture and asking him to sign it for me.

I'm afraid he'll punch me. Or start crying. Both would be pretty weird.

Please do it

[BoSoxLady]

Well he's a columnist so you have to expect him to be provocative to a certain extent. He's not a beat writer. On the occasions he gets personal, that's where I find him to be at fault. I think I implied as much in my original post. And I love Schill, but happen to believe that he doesn't come to the table with clean hands.

While Schilling certainly would be better served by turning the other cheek, he's only responding to Shaughnessy's relentless cheap shots. The war was started by DS and he refuses to back down. He's a shit stirrer.

[43701]

He a columnist, he doesn't have to be unbaised, he is paid to spout his opinions, whether we, or anyone else, agrees with him. A reporter is something completely different.

[BoSoxLady]

He a columnist, he doesn't have to be unbaised, he is paid to spout his opinions, whether we, or anyone else, agrees with him. A reporter is something completely different.

Yeah, we know the difference between a columnist and beat reporter. The quarrel that most people have with DS is that he seems to take an athlete on (almost exclusively from the Sox) and beat him to a pulp for no apparent reason than his own amusement. Until he latched on to Schilling, most of Dagger Dan's targets were minorities. He's probably pissed that Schill played a major role in killing the fucking curse that was invented by DS, the profits of which put his kids through college.

[43701]

I feel bad that I ever mentioned the curse, even in passing. I didn't know he invented it, the f*'er. Wonder what he will think of next.

[BoSoxLady]

I feel bad that I ever mentioned the curse, even in passing. I didn't know he invented it, the f*'er. Wonder what he will think of next.

How Dan Shaughnessy Got Rich

[jthursto]

Yeah, we know the difference between a columnist and beat reporter. The quarrel that most people have with DS is that he seems to take an athlete on (almost exclusively from the Sox) and beat him to a pulp for no apparent reason than his own amusement. Until he latched on to Schilling, most of Dagger Dan's targets were minorities. He's probably pissed that Schill played a major role in killing the fucking curse that was invented by DS, the profits of which put his kids through college.

Just to take the other side, for arguments sake. Curt Schilling came to town with a fully-formed, preconceived notion of Dan Shaughnessy based on second-hand information. Isn't it just possible that Curt fired the first shot during some random clubhouse encounter, never having given Shaughnessy the benefit of the doubt or taking the time to formulate his own opinion based on his own experience. Seems to me this scenario is entirely plausible. The bottom line is that the feud is juvenile and both end up looking inherently toolish. Lastly, I think you're way off base to suggest Dan is a racist and that he, being a lifelong Red Sox fan, is somehow upset that Curt contributed to the World Series victory.

[jthursto]

How Dan Shaughnessy Got Rich

Oh my God, he wrote a book and made some coin. It's not like he's rum-running Kennedy. It's not illegal. Do you get tired carrying water for Schill?

[BoSoxLady]

Oh my God, he wrote a book and made some coin. It's not like he's rum-running Kennedy. It's not illegal.

He created the myth that the Red Sox were cursed. It took years to live it down. I recall the morning after the Sox beat the NYY in the '04 ALCS. I was flipping around the radio in my car and heard a familiar voice. It was Dan Shaughnessy being interviewed by Mike Barnicle. Mike was in NY positively gushing about beating the NYY and was thrilled that he'd no longer have to hear about the "ridiculous curse." Shaughnessy's remark? "The curse lives until they win the World Series!" He made up the fucking curse. I almost drove off the road. I don't begrudge him for trying to make a living. I have a problem with him fabricating a story that made the Red Sox and their fans out to be a laughingstock.

Curt Schilling came to town with a fully-formed, preconceived notion of Dan Shaughnessy based on second-hand information. Isn't it just possible that Curt fired the first shot during some random clubhouse encounter, never having given Shaughnessy the benefit of the doubt or taking the time to formulate his own opinion based on his own experience. Seems to me this scenario is entirely plausible.

False. Shaughnessy's first comment upon witnessing Schilling in spring training '04 was to refer to him as "dome-bellied." Nice way to begin a new relationship, eh? Why would Curt "fire the first shot" at someone he never met?

Do you get tired carrying water for Schill?

Believe me, Curt Schilling can hold his own with Dan Shaughnessy. I agree with Schilling that DS is an asshole and I'm carrying his water? That's laughable.

[PhilosopherKing]

Just to take the other side, for arguments sake. Curt Schilling came to town with a fully-formed, preconceived notion of Dan Shaughnessy based on second-hand information. Isn't it just possible that Curt fired the first shot during some random clubhouse encounter, never having given Shaughnessy the benefit of the doubt or taking the time to formulate his own opinion based on his own experience.

If you stop someone you've never met from stabbing you in the back, is that so wrong?

[jthursto]

If you stop someone you've never met from stabbing you in the back, is that so wrong?

Let me just go back to my original comment which is essentially that neither Shaughnessy nor Schilling are well-served by "the feud" and by perpetuating it, they come across as juvenile. I think my position should be well understood. I have nothing against either party.

[Pumpsie]

Look, Shaughnessy's proven over and over again that he's a jerk. His m.o. is to try to create an issue around a ballplayer and beat it to freakin' death. He doesn't care if it's the truth or not. He doesn't care if it harms people, especially the ballplayer in question, or his family, or the team. The only thing he seems to care about is if this m.o. gets him readers, that is, makes him money.

And then there's this idiotic "curse" thing. I'm older than Shaughnessy and raised in New England, and trust me, no Sox fan talked about a "curse" until Shaughnessy forced us all to have to defend ourselves over it. And THAT got tiring, don'tcha know. The Red Sox didn't win the Series for all those years because 1) they didn't have many good teams, and 2) those teams that did manage to make it to the Series were beaten by better, deeper teams each time. I mean, for God's sake, which team has a better chance to win a Series clincher, the one with Jonathan Papelbon pitching the ninth or the one with a rookie named Jim Burton?

Please don't defend the CHB. He deserves all the grief he can possibly get. And, trust me, I don't say that about a lot of people who aren't political figures.

Edited by Pumpsie, 07 November 2007 - 12:05 PM.

[SoxFanSince57]

From Curt Schilling

But wait, I can't be coming back. CHB, Shaugnostradamus is the IN guy, he knows for a fact that the Sox are saying "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out". He's 100% guaranteed in the know right? He KNOWS they hate me...

Wait, no he doesn't.

Damn! Curt took out his gun and shot the CHB right between the eyes.

If Schil keeps this rhetoric up, I'm prepared to start a write-in campaign for a 2009 extension. Goodness, I love it that a public figure is willing to take that clown off his horse. I can only hope that someone at the Globe has the balls to question whether CHB has the honesty and integrity to represent the paper.

[Dick Drago]

That was terrific; what struck me about the NESN clip is that CHB is still treated as an 'expert' by some. When I was ten years old, I really bought into what Cliff Claff, the reporters would say, thinking them to be baseball sages. Now there are ten year olds on internet boards more informed about baseball than CHB. He's made no attempts to expand his knowledge of baseball, has grown increasingly bitter and irrelevent. Watching that clip of him and Ryan, two guys whose opinions on baseball I respect so little...that time on NESN could be used in such a much better way.

[stephensjh]

CHB once again illustrates his intellectual dishonesty with his 11/4 Globe article:

"Henry, the low-talking hedge funder, has had considerable help in Lucchino, Werner, and of course, the brilliant young GM who has spawned a new generation of BlackBerry-wielding, stat-driven, cold-blooded hardballers intent on reinventing baseball operations."

Cute how CHB gives Theo a ( backhanded ) compliment and then annoints him as the grand architect to the new era of baseball wherein high tech has replaced the human element. You'd think Theo graduated from MIT or the Harvard buiness school. How fuckin ironic when in reality, Theo's best attributes are intelligence, working his ass off, dealing with people, and communications.

[Fratboy]

Cute how CHB gives Theo a ( backhanded ) compliment and then annoints him as the grand architect to the new era of baseball wherein high tech has replaced the human element. You'd think Theo graduated from MIT or the Harvard buiness school. How fuckin ironic when in reality, Theo's best attributes are intelligence, working his ass off, dealing with people, and communications.

Especially in light of Curt's publishing of Theo and the FO's letter to him on the eve of Thanksgiving 2003. Communication has gone from being an extreme liability in the Duquette era to being one of the organization's strengths, if not one of its best practices. I can't say enough good things about that letter - it reveals the Red Sox to truly be a world class sports franchise.

[IpswichSox]

CHB weighs on G38's re-signing, and true to form he doesn't explain or appologize for getting it so wrong in his Nov. 4 column, except for this: "While I suck on a lemon..." Instead he spends nearly 1,000 words mostly bashing G38 with his usual arrogant, elitist crap. I just knew when I started reading the column that I should have stopped, should have resisted the temptation. I just thought that maybe, maybe he would fess up to being a tool. But of course, I was a fool. I'll never get those three minutes back.

[asection8]

CHB weighs on G38's re-signing, and true to form he doesn't explain or appologize for getting it so wrong in his Nov. 4 column, except for this: "While I suck on a lemon..." Instead he spends nearly 1,000 words mostly bashing G38 with his usual arrogant, elitist crap. I just knew when I started reading the column that I should have stopped, should have resisted the temptation. I just thought that maybe, maybe he would fess up to being a tool. But of course, I was a fool. I'll never get those three minutes back.

Funny thing was, I kind of liked the article. Not the actual content, but how he has given up the slightest pretense that he is unbiased. He absolutely hates Schilling. Detests him. He has a Schilling picture on his dart board. He cries Schilling! when he stubs his toe or gets stuck in traffic.

This feud is going to be epic. People will tell their grandkids about it.

[Fratboy]

Well, he did get at least one part right:

In the ultimate full disclosure, he even told us he gets $1 million for a single Cy Young vote (an outrageous clause that should put a stop to all Baseball Writers Association of America members voting on postseason awards).

The awards, as we'll see over the next few weeks are becoming farcical, considering they couldn't get the MVP's right last year.

[Hee-Seop's Fable]

I feel bad that I ever mentioned the curse, even in passing. I didn't know he invented it, the f*'er. Wonder what he will think of next.

Am I correct in remembering him as the originator of the term "Red Sox Nation"? Clever as it is, I've been bristling at that term every time it's used on NESN. It's like naively trying sweetbreads, liking them, then spitting them across the room when you find out you're eating cow's brains.

And from GriffinDoerr:

I can't be the only person who finds CHB calling Schilling a pathetic fraud to be the ultimate irony, can I?

This has got to be the tersest way to express what's been going through my head since seeing that exchange. That's got to be the last epithet that should ever be lobbed at G38. Call him an egotist or a blow-hard, but I just don't see how you can call him insincere, or pathetic for that matter. CHB, on the other hand, Jesus... it's sad what he's chosen to make himself.

edit: I'm actually stunned at how magnanimous CHB is in that article in crediting Schilling for stepping up and putting his money where his mouth is. That's as close as G38 will ever get to an apology from him. "Schilling is anything but stupid" and he's a "savvy veteran." Wow.

Edited by Hee-Seop's Fable, 06 November 2007 - 11:34 PM.

[January]

This has got to be the tersest way to express what's been going through my head since seeing that exchange. That's got to be the last epithet that should ever be lobbed at G38. Call him an egotist or a blow-hard, but I just don't see how you can call him insincere, or pathetic for that matter. CHB, on the other hand, Jesus... it's sad what he's chosen to make himself.

edit: I'm actually stunned at how magnanimous CHB is in that article in crediting Schilling for stepping up and putting his money where his mouth is. That's as close as G38 will ever get to an apology from him. "Schilling is anything but stupid" and he's a "savvy veteran." Wow.

Well, the guy DID come through in the playoffs. He kinda has to acknowledge that. And he would miss Schilling if he left. That's a couple thousand more words he has to figure out every year.

[Daws213]

Am I correct in remembering him as the originator of the term "Red Sox Nation"? Clever as it is, I've been bristling at that term every time it's used on NESN. It's like naively trying sweetbreads, liking them, then spitting them across the room when you find out you're eating cow's brains.

He didnt create it, but he definitely popularized it. I forget who actually coined it, but it was some writer in the mid 80's.

Edited by Daws213, 07 November 2007 - 09:14 AM.

[BoSoxLady]

He didnt create it, but he definitely popularized it. I forget who actually coined it, but it was some writer in the mid 80's.

The real story on Red Sox Nation:
Nathan Cobb

Edited by BoSoxLady, 07 November 2007 - 09:21 AM.

[Buck Showalter]

It would kinda' be poetic justice if Shaughnessy's son played professional baseball and some hack writer needlessy tore the shit outta' the kid.

Then - and only then - will Boston's Ugliest Sportswriter (in more ways than one) come to grips with what he's done with his career in the last handful of years.

But hey......Curt's a big-boy (his weight-clause can attest to that) and he can take care of himself.

Edited by Buck Showalter, 07 November 2007 - 09:47 AM.

[Jim Ed Rice in HOF]

and true to form he doesn't explain or appologize for getting it so wrong in his Nov. 4 column, except for this: "While I suck on a lemon..."

Well he also says the following, which is his way of still saying he was right. Since Dan's still part of the inner circle [/sarcasm] he's able to say these things with conviction.

Count the Red Sox among those stunned by this development. They tendered an offer they believed Schilling would reject....They figured he'd do the typical athlete-ego thing and go to the team that offered him the most guaranteed dough.

Apropos of nothing other than the fact that I've got too much free time:
Google search of "Dan Shaughnessy" yields 419K results. Search of "Curly Haired Boyfriend" yields 198K for a journalist:asshat ratio of 2.1:1.
Google search of "Curt Schilling" yields 1.76MM results while searches including the words "blowhard" and "Red Light" yield 309K results for an athlete:windbag ratio of 5.7:1.

I'd rather have Curt's numbers.

[TheoShmeo]

edit: I'm actually stunned at how magnanimous CHB is in that article in crediting Schilling for stepping up and putting his money where his mouth is. That's as close as G38 will ever get to an apology from him. "Schilling is anything but stupid" and he's a "savvy veteran." Wow.

I didn't find that article to be very magnanimous. Sure, the CHB praised Schilling extensively, but he also ripped him extensively (particularly in the Lemon paragraph). It seemed to me like the praise was heaped because there is almost no other way to look at what Schilling did with this contract, and because it allowed him to continue dumping on Curt. An article that was all negative in the face of the news yesterday would have been beyond absurd, even by Danny boy's standards.

[Hatcher Steals Home]

A blog post starting with the poor judgment of CHB and ending with what happens when you take the media out of the equation:
Link to post here, excerpts below.

Now for temporal goodness:
1. November 4, 2007, Dan Shaugnessy of the Boston Globe wrote “One thing we know [Sox president Larry Lucchino and GM Theo Epstein] agree on is Schilling: thanks for the clutch work, big fella, now don’t let the door hit you on the way out. We’ll invite you back for Old-Timers’ Day.”

4. November 6, 2007, Curt Schilling of bloody sock fame, wrote on his blog: “The deal looks like this. $8 million in guaranteed base salary. $2 million in bonuses for 6 seperate weigh ins. $3 million in IP incentives based on IP totals. $1 million for receiving a Cy Young vote, any vote.”

So what can we glean from this kind of close examination? Potentially, quite a lot. Next time you hear rumors about Schilling...what source will you visit first? What source would you visit last?

Transparency alert: I'm the author, we don't focus on sports much, the blog is more about examining the media generally; Schilling is always a great case study as his blog is a great example of the internet's role in turning traditional newspapers pejorative. Where would you rather get your news SoSH or CHB? I know where I go first.

[43701]

So when ESPN talks about the brutal Boston media, are they talking mostly about CHB? Are the rest of the columnists up thattaway as brutal? Is the whole "Boston Media" thing overblown?

[deanx0]

It would kinda' be poetic justice if Shaughnessy's son played professional baseball and some hack writer needlessy tore the shit outta' the kid.

His neice(?) is a middling tennis pro. I always thought someone should should slice her up for anything and everthing she does wrong.

[jthursto]

His neice(?) is a middling tennis pro. I always thought someone should should slice her up for anything and everthing she does wrong.

Why? To pay for the perceived crimes of DS?

[JimBoSox9]

Why? To pay for the perceived crimes of DS?

Yes. The sins of the asshole are visited upon the nieces, or something.

[Sausage in Section 17]

So when ESPN talks about the brutal Boston media, are they talking mostly about CHB? Are the rest of the columnists up thattaway as brutal? Is the whole "Boston Media" thing overblown?

He may be dead now, but Will McDonough practically perfected the craft Shaughnessy now practices.

I remember a few years back McDonough accused John Valentin of dogging it, beacuse he was sitting out down the stretch "with patellar tendonitis, which is nothing". That is a direct quote. The following year early in the season, Valentin's patellar tendon exploded as he ran in to field a dribbler to third, which effectively ended his career.

These guys would appear to have no respect and a lot of petty jealousy toward some of the hard working athletes they are paid to cover. I have to wonder who they are playing to. If a guy like Julio Lugo can keep getting support from the fans after the way things went for him this year, either Boston has changed (when you look at Philly, maybe it has), or these guys are just becoming more giant assholes in their old age.

[bmacfarlane]

I don't read CHB anymore unless it's something that's brought up at SoSH. I emailed him and told him he was irrelevant and he told me to cease emailing. He'd be better off doing a Norm Chad type column where he could bitch irrationally and readers might think he's somewhat funny. I hope Cheri kicks his ass at spring training this year and I get it on tape.

[joyofsox]

It had been the case -- and may still be the case -- that any time a national sports media person needs to get the "official" fans' perspective of the Red Sox, they go to CHB.

Which, as we all know, is the absolutely worst place to go. But when that happens, the myth of the "woe is me, we'll always lose" Sox fan gets embedded even deeper in the general sports fan's mind.

CHB is still trying to do it after one (and now two) World Series titles -- and two amazing playoff comebacks.

[InsideTheParker]

I don't read CHB anymore unless it's something that's brought up at SoSH. I emailed him and told him he was irrelevant and he told me to cease emailing. He'd be better off doing a Norm Chad type column where he could bitch irrationally and readers might think he's somewhat funny. I hope Cheri kicks his ass at spring training this year and I get it on tape.

I haven't even read the article in question because he is dead to me, and I don't want even one more click on the Boston.com site to indicate otherwise.

p.s. This decision is recent, occasioned by his irrational attitude towards Schilling. I think he is a clever writer and I will somewhat miss the smiles he has given me, but he really must be ignored now as having zero credibility.

Edited by InsideTheParker, 09 November 2007 - 10:31 AM.

[Chainsaw318]

Reading through this nonsense, and hearing Shaugnessy on ESPN Radio the week before last openly say, re: Schilling, something to the effect of, "I can't stand the guy, I hope he's gone", I decided to give myself a craziness-check and went back and found Shaugnessy's column from ST in which he fake-blogs his way through in an imitation of Schilling.

Here it is again, if you want to refresh your memory. Avoid it if you don't want to click-through to an archived story.

Looking back, after this season, especially the playoff victory, this column is f-ing hilarious. It would be a brilliant piece of work, if he had written it last week, rather than before the season began.

It's a fine line of timing that distinguishes the comic genius from the pathetically bitter hack.

For those of you who attend ST, one of you should get that column, or another idiotic one, print it out and ask Shaugnessy to sign it. He would probably jump at the chance to autograph his work, and it could sit in your house forever, as the perfect ironic gift.

. . . or, you could send it to a certain right-hander, I guess.

[Hatcher Steals Home]

Reading through this nonsense, and hearing Shaugnessy...

I may bordering on spamming the thread, but one thing I didn't notice in all the CHB hullabaloo is that Bob Ryan actually owned up, quite respectfully I think, to his own poor prediction regarding the Schilling signing. Meanwhile how CHB escapes the Mannyesque "CHB being CHB" is beyond me, because if there is ever a case of a person being a caricature of himself, it's more apt for CHB than for Manny.

[WakefieldKnuckler]

One of the biggest reasons I want to see the Sox win the 2008 World Series...

For the chance that CHB is in the locker room during the celebration just so Curt has the opportunity to dump a bucket of ice water on his head like Neon Deion did after the 1992 NLCS to our buddy Tim McCarver...

[Danistheantichrist]

FOXBOROUGH - Secretariat at the Belmont was perfect. Don Larsen in Game 5 of the 1956 World Series was perfect. Bobby Orr on ice was perfect.

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A score of 2400 on the SAT exam. John Edwards's hair. Halle Berry in "Die Another Day." The final two minutes of "Jungleland." The last paragraph of "The Great Gatsby."

All perfect.

Has the SAT exam changed it's entire scoring format or is CHB just that dumb?

[Maalox]

Has the SAT exam changed it's entire scoring format or is CHB just that dumb?

It has changed. The writing section, which used to be unscored, is now scored on an 800 scale. Hence the 2400.

Of course, since many colleges still ignore the written section in favor of their own application essays (and rightfully so) it's effectively still a 1600-point test. Strictly speaking, though, Bozo is correct on this one.

[Average Reds]

Has the SAT exam changed it's entire scoring format or is CHB just that dumb?

SAT changed in 2005 to add a section where you write an essay and to eliminate some of the more ambiguous sections. Scoring was changed from a 1600 point scale to 2400 points. (Adding the essay created three 800 point sections.) It's now actually called the "SAT Reasoning Test" to reflect the new emphasis.

Notwithstanding the preceding, CHB is still dumb as a stick.

edit: Damn.... beaten to it while I was fact-checking the date.

Edited by Average Reds, 10 December 2007 - 12:03 PM.