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#101 BleacherFan

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 02:47 PM

After this one, I'm looking for a 50K or 2 by the spring, and then want to shoot for a couple of 50-milers next year (last one was in '04). Would like to chat with any ultra runners out there or folks interested in trying ultras. They're very different.


I know a few people who do them and one of them just did the Vermont 50 - he raves about them. I would be curious to know how you train for one versus a marathon/50k. Back to back long runs? It's gotta be night and day from a training POV - you're also generally doing trails,mountains,etc versus the run of the mill road surface. I'd love to try one eventually - it's just right now it would be a complete 180 in my current training.

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Posted 20 October 2007 - 09:19 AM

So what's the point of my long winded diatribe? I guess it's just to say that running can be a lifetime activity, that you should really enjoy it while you're out there, and that there is no sin in taking it easy as you get older.

Keep running, hermanitos


Well said - it's sometimes difficult to take a step back during training to remember why you enjoy running to begin with. For me, it's probably the peacefulness of it all and I'll be the first to admit I forget it from time to time. Unfortunately I usually regain that memory if I can't run due to injury - you forget about the nuances you enjoy about running.

A couple similar memories for me include passing the Hoyts in Boston 05 - it's like my mind entered a vacuum and I didn't think about running for a few minutes - it was surreal. Another time was finishing the inaugural run to remember in Boston and seeing the last 1/4 mile or so completely blanketed with police officers.

Thanks Fris - I'm gonna go take it down a notch this morning in my running.

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 12:18 PM

Great post Fris.


I did not end up running Paddy's 3-mile today - I went for a 1/4 mile warm-up and my right hamstring is clearly not ready. But I realized it was really my first time watching a race, which was pretty fun. The guy who won (wearing a USMC shirt) absolutely crushed it - he was about a minute ahead of everyone else, and I won't be surprised if his time was in the 13s.

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 04:41 PM

I did my easy 4 mile run on Thurs and after my legs felt like I went 16. Behind my right knee was sore and my left achilles was tight. I skipped the 8 mile run today and just did 25 mins on the eliptical. I'll probably do the elliptical again tomorrow and keep stretching.

My problem was probably a result of not warming up and stretching enough on Thurs. I should have done some non-running activities starting Wed just to stay loose. I felt great going into the run but from early on I knew I wasnt right. A couple more easy days and I'll be ready to go. I'm looking forward to a nice easy 10 miler at some point in the early fall morning. After a couple of those I'll know I'm back.

Now I'm off to game 7! I'll be the one in the red shirt in section 8 :buddy:

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 05:27 PM

Great post Fris.
I did not end up running Paddy's 3-mile today - I went for a 1/4 mile warm-up and my right hamstring is clearly not ready. But I realized it was really my first time watching a race, which was pretty fun. The guy who won (wearing a USMC shirt) absolutely crushed it - he was about a minute ahead of everyone else, and I won't be surprised if his time was in the 13s.


Nice call not running through it - you're only a week off a marathon - no need to rush. Was that part of the Pub Series? Those are fun - especially the post race party - beer flowing like water.

I made a last minute decision to can my long run and go run a low key 5k and won my first cash prize. I finished 3rd overall with a 16:13 - PR for me. I wasn't happy with my 3rd mile split (like 5:26), but was happy I went through the 1st mile split at the front with the leaders at 5:05 and felt comfortable.

Nice to see the milage paying off - thinking of doing a little more speed work as my goal race approaches.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 09:42 AM

Yeah, it's the last in the pub series.

14:33 for that marine, one whole minute before the #2 guy:

http://coolrunning.c...ddys_set1.shtml

Gratz on your finish!

#107 ichirob4ichiro

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 06:30 PM

14:33 for that marine, one whole minute before the #2 guy:

The Marine's name is Justin Lutz. He use to run for WPI, and now runs for NB Boston (old reeebok Boston), though I haven't seen him around much in the past year. Guy certainly has some wheels-- a good steepler. There are a couple stories FWIW online about him training in Iraq to keep up his fitness. The articles are much older than the last time I've talked with him, I don't even know if you'll think they are relevant. You still might get some enjoyment, if not perspective out of them like I did.

A 2003 article about his long-term running goals, despite being deployed to Kuwait.
http://www.defendame.../pr092903a.html

And another article about how he ran the "Boston marathon;"Iraqi Style in 05'
http://www.csmonitor...02s01-ussc.html

Lutz, a convoy driver for the Marine Reserves, discovered his passion for running in college. His speed in the 1,500 meters secured him a spot on a Reebok-sponsored track team in Boston, and his loyalty to his country twice took him overseas. He swore to himself both times that being deployed wouldn't get in the way of bettering his performance against the clock.



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Posted 26 October 2007 - 01:38 PM

I am running the Marine Corps Marathon this Sunday in Washington D.C. to honor a fellow Marine I used to serve with who was killed in Iraq in May while leading a raid against insurgents. Maj Doug Zembiec was a leader, warrior, and true patriot in every sense of the word. We served together as Recon Platoon Commanders 10 years ago, and over 100 of his former Naval Academy classmates and I will be running in his honor. Sadly, Doug left behind a wife and 1-year old daughter.

A fund has been established for Doug's daughter, Fallyn. If you are interested in donating, you may do so directly by sending a check payable to "Smith Barney" and write "For Fallyn Zembiec Custodial Account" in the notes field; mail checks to Jon Sanchez, Smith Barney, 111 South Pfingsten Road, Suite 200, Deerfield, IL 60015.

Much has been written about Doug, and a quick Google search tells volumes of what a tremendous person he was. I've included a brief bio and a link to an article in the Washington Post about Doug.

Whether or not you decide to donate, thanks for at least reading this and thinking about Doug, his family, and the sacrifices they and all of our military families make. Please feel free to pass this along.

Semper Fidelis,
PT

http://www.washingto...7051602860.html

Major Douglas A. Zembiec
April 14, 1973- May 11, 2007

Major Zembiec, son of Don and Jo Ann Zembiec, was born on April 14, 1973 in Kealakekua, HI. He graduated
from La Cueva High School in Albuquerque, NM in 1991. An excellent wrestler, Doug was an undefeated two
time state champion and high school All-American. He also ran track and enjoyed bow hunting.

Doug studied Political Science at the Naval Academy and was a two time All-American wrestler. Deciding to
utilize his physical prowess and tactical decision- making skills as a Marine, he was commissioned as a Second
Lieutenant in 1995.

Major Zembiec was also a family man. He met and fell in love with Pamela Slunt and they were married at the
Naval Academy on April 30, 2005. Their lovely daughter Fallyn Justice was born on March 30, 2006. Doug loved
playing with Fallyn and enjoyed working out and reading about military history and leadership.

After finishing The Basic School and the Infantry Officer’s Course, he was assigned to First Battalion, Sixth
Marine Regiment as a rifle platoon commander in April of 1996. In June of 1997, after successfully passing the
force reconnaissance indoctrination, he was transferred to Second Force Reconnaissance Company, Camp
Lejeune, NC, where he served as a platoon commander, interim company commander, and operations officer. As
a platoon commander, Zembiec’s force reconnaissance platoon was among the first conventional forces to enter
Kosovo during Operation Joint Guardian in June of 1999.

In September of 2000, he transferred to the Amphibious Reconnaissance School (ARS) located on Fort Story, VA,
and served as the Assistant Officer-In-Charge for two years. From ARS, Zembiec was selected to attend the
Marine Corps’ Expeditionary Warfare School in Quantico, VA. He graduated EWS in May of 2003.

Major Zembiec took command of Company “E”, Second Battalion, First Marine Regiment in July 2003. As rifle
company commander, he led 168 Marines and sailors in the first conventional ground assault into Fallujah, Iraq,
during Operation Vigilant Resolve. He turned over his command in November of 2004 and served as assistant
operations officer at the Marine Corps’ First Special Operations Training Group (1st SOTG) . Doug transferred to
the Regional Support Element, Headquarters, Marine Corps in June of 2005. Major Zembiec was killed in Iraq on
May 11, 2007.

Major Zembiec’s service awards include the Silver Star, Bronze Star with Distinguished Device, Purple Heart (2),
Combat Action Ribbon (2), Sea Service Deployment Ribbon (3), Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal
(2), Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal (2), NATO Medal, Humanitarian Service Medal, Navy Unit
Commendation, Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal,
National Defense Service Medal (2), and Kosovo Campaign Medal.

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 04:38 PM

PT, I hope you came out OK after your marathon. I hear that is a very emotional marathon for a lot of people and from your post you were definitely in that category.

A quick aside - recent story in USA Today regarding the pollution in China. We've know about this for a while but it's a little concerning that it sounds like nothing really has improved over there. Funny how 150+ of the country's finest marathon runners will be racing this weekend to run in those conditions :blink:

"The pollution in Beijing was so thick last month during a men's mountain biking Olympic test event that the USA's Jeremy Horgan-Kobelski, a 2004 Olympian, had to drop out after throwing up midway through the race.

"About a half an hour into the race, I had a lot of trouble breathing," he says. "I got to a point where I tried to relax and take a deep breath, and then I started getting nauseous."


China pollution

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 03:22 PM

PT, I hope you came out OK after your marathon. I hear that is a very emotional marathon for a lot of people and from your post you were definitely in that category.

I finished in just under 4 hours, which I would normally not be too happy about, but I only prepped for about a month so it was probably to be expected. Was cruising along at about a 3:45-3:50 until the last few miles which were a "grind". Shoes didn't cause any problems, but got my first blister in a long time from a bunched sock that I didn't want to mess with on the fly.

Very emotional event, from the group I was running with to the large number of wheelchair and amputee participants. The USMC marathon always has a huge dose of patriotism, and it's hard not to get a lump in your throat at several times throughout the day.

For anyone considering this race, the Marines do an outstanding job, but this race is getting a bit too big for me. There were 8,000 runners back in 1990 and over 35,000 on Sunday. It is a monster, and I had to walk 4 miles to get to my car afterwards because the Metro/shuttle lines were 1-2 hours long.

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 08:56 AM

Nate Jenkins just ran 2:14:56 for 7th place in the Oly marathon Trials! Outkicking down the stretch Meb K, the 04' silver medalist. WHAT A RUN!

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 09:10 AM

Nate Jenkins just ran 2:14:56 for 7th place in the Oly marathon Trials! Outkicking down the stretch Meb K, the 04' silver medalist. WHAT A RUN!


Yah, my club was going down to root on Nate and Casey this morning at 2am. Given Nate's workouts, he must be syked - he trains with an unbelievable intensity. I can't wait to see the recap at 2pm on NBC - I slept through the live stuff. Casey was running with a GLRR shirt I believe - first time since Hodgie in 84...

Edit: Running 7th in a race like this must do a number for your confidence (2012 maybe?)

Edited by BleacherFan, 03 November 2007 - 09:19 AM.


#113 ichirob4ichiro

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 09:48 AM

Well, that and everyone is saying this course is at least 2min slow with all the hills and curves. I remember a year ago, it wasn't looking like Nate would even get back in shape with all his ongoing rash of injuries. He deserves it just as much as anyone. This is a huge improvement, all around, over his fast-downhill 2:15:2x at Austin 2 years back.

He'll get alot from this, more opportunities shoe contract-wise, as well as better races to go to in the future with travel paid...the $8,000 for 7th place doesn't suck either!

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 11:41 AM

Well, that and everyone is saying this course is at least 2min slow with all the hills and curves. I remember a year ago, it wasn't looking like Nate would even get back in shape with all his ongoing rash of injuries. He deserves it just as much as anyone. This is a huge improvement, all around, over his fast-downhill 2:15:2x at Austin 2 years back.

He'll get alot from this, more opportunities shoe contract-wise, as well as better races to go to in the future with travel paid...the $8,000 for 7th place doesn't suck either!


Absolutely - I hear his deal with Saucony sucks so hopefully he'll get a bump in pay or find a better sponsor. He once told me after a track session: "to be a world class marathoner you need to run 100+ mile weeks for 10 years". If you look back on what he's done in 4-5 years of increased mileage, it's incredible. That's why I think he might be a force in 2012 if he wants to go for it. He is getting married so who knows what might happen after today :wub:. You're right though - a huge ballsy performance after his bout with Mono and his achilles woes during Falmouth

On a sad note, I heard Ryan Shay may have died - that's a downer for sure.

Edited by BleacherFan, 03 November 2007 - 11:43 AM.


#115 ichirob4ichiro

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 12:09 PM

On a sad note, I heard Ryan Shay may have died - that's a downer for sure.

Yeah he did. It is official. It is pretty fucked up. 5 1/2 in, before any of the real running even got started....how does something like that happen? Just doesn't make sense.

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 12:11 PM

USATF release on Shay
http://www.usatf.org..._11_03_08_38_06

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 12:45 PM

Full results

Good run by Pat Moulton, but Casey looked like he struggled mightily. Some local results as followed.
**************************************************
7 Nathaniel Jenkins 27 Lowell, MA 2:14:56
28 Patrick Moulton 25 Rochester Hills, MI Hansons-Brooks Distance Project 2:18:35
54 Steve Meinelt 24 Winchester, MA 2:22:40 (xUNH runner)
61 Terrance Shea 33 Cambridge, MA Boston Athletic Association 2:23:44
83 Casey Moulton 25 Pelham, NH Greater Lowell Road Runners 2:28:29

Edited by ichirob4ichiro, 03 November 2007 - 12:47 PM.


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Posted 03 November 2007 - 01:32 PM

Full results

Good run by Pat Moulton, but Casey looked like he struggled mightily. Some local results as followed.
**************************************************
7 Nathaniel Jenkins 27 Lowell, MA 2:14:56
28 Patrick Moulton 25 Rochester Hills, MI Hansons-Brooks Distance Project 2:18:35
54 Steve Meinelt 24 Winchester, MA 2:22:40 (xUNH runner)
61 Terrance Shea 33 Cambridge, MA Boston Athletic Association 2:23:44
83 Casey Moulton 25 Pelham, NH Greater Lowell Road Runners 2:28:29


Also Matt from RI who most recently won the VCM marathon:

19 46 Matt Pelletier 28 Warwick, RI Running Heritage 2:17:17

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To be honest, if you look at Casey's training, I don't think he was too prepared going in and I'm not surprised he struggled down there. Hell of a performance however and hopefully he will learn from this - he's definitely got the talent. Still amazed at Nate's performance - interesting to see he changed his affiliation from Saucony to unattached - I'll have to look into that.

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 02:24 PM

And I'm guessing Matt Downin DNF'd, I don't see him in the results. Too bad.

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 02:29 PM

Great to see the local guys do well! Too bad the cut the coverage of the finishers right before Nate.

It was pretty amazing watching Ryan Hall basically partying the last mile or so. You have to wonder how low he could have gone if he was pushed.

In the interview with the top 3 finishers they all mentioned Khalid as a factor in how they pushed the last few miles. They were afraid of being caught. Lots of respect being thrown around.

Also, that was too bad about Casey. I wonder if the injuries he was dealing with in his last couple of weeks acted up again. He had something in his blog about having to walk home 3 miles after hurting his foot. It sounded like he was able to train through it, but he was running over a minute above his marathon pace so he probably get a chance to push it in training.

edit: added comment on Casey

Edited by underhandtofirst, 03 November 2007 - 02:40 PM.


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Posted 03 November 2007 - 06:54 PM

Great to see the local guys do well! Too bad the cut the coverage of the finishers right before Nate.

It was pretty amazing watching Ryan Hall basically partying the last mile or so. You have to wonder how low he could have gone if he was pushed.

In the interview with the top 3 finishers they all mentioned Khalid as a factor in how they pushed the last few miles. They were afraid of being caught. Lots of respect being thrown around.

Also, that was too bad about Casey. I wonder if the injuries he was dealing with in his last couple of weeks acted up again. He had something in his blog about having to walk home 3 miles after hurting his foot. It sounded like he was able to train through it, but he was running over a minute above his marathon pace so he probably get a chance to push it in training.

edit: added comment on Casey


Some pics from today:

http://i3.tinypic.com/4yppq91.jpg
http://i9.tinypic.com/4zep3l4.jpg
http://i6.tinypic.com/5yb4zts.jpg
http://i17.tinypic.com/5zlx4ro.jpg
http://i11.tinypic.com/6c3nceb.jpg


Also, confirmed that Casey was running through that foot pain - too bad....

Edited by BleacherFan, 03 November 2007 - 08:57 PM.


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Posted 04 November 2007 - 12:54 PM

Just ran my first Half Marathon. At 82 degrees and sunny, I didn't feel as good as I have felt the last few long runs, so I'm pretty happy with my time of 2:11. My body hurts. A lot. I don't know how people run a full 26.

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 04:21 PM

Just ran my first Half Marathon. At 82 degrees and sunny, I didn't feel as good as I have felt the last few long runs, so I'm pretty happy with my time of 2:11. My body hurts. A lot. I don't know how people run a full 26.


I still don't. Great job!

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 10:07 PM

I just saw an interesting program on the PBS show Nova. The show took 13 people who were not the least bit athletic. They ranged from age 22 up to 60. The show covered their 9 month training program leading up to running the Boston Marathon last April. They started with a 2 mile run and worked up to 20 miles. All except for 1 finished the entire marathon. The only one that didnt was forced to drop out of the training very early with multiple stress fractures.

The finish times ranged from 4:09 up to nearly 7:00. Some of you may remember Steve DeOssie of WEEI (and NFL fame) running the marathon this year. He was part of the show and finished in 5:24.

The goal was to see if you could take virtually anyone and train them to run a marathon. It looks like they succeeded. Obviously, they didnt turn into elite athletes, but it was great to see a group of people who had trouble running 2 miles at one point complete the marathon just 9 months later. I found myself reliving the great feelings I had finishing my first marathon.

There is some talk about the science of running and the changes the body has to go through. They also showed the change in the VO2 max of each participant. At the beginning more than half had fair to poor VO2 max. A couple were good and one was superior. Near the end almost all were good to superior.

Nova Marathon Challenge

I'm all fired up to run tomorrow morning now!

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 10:11 PM

Just ran my first Half Marathon. At 82 degrees and sunny, I didn't feel as good as I have felt the last few long runs, so I'm pretty happy with my time of 2:11. My body hurts. A lot. I don't know how people run a full 26.


Congrats Sass. Running a half in those less than ideal conditions is tough. As the pain and soreness goes away I'm sure you'll feel even more proud of your accomplishment.

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 10:50 PM

I just saw an interesting program on the PBS show Nova. The show took 13 people who were not the least bit athletic. They ranged from age 22 up to 60. The show covered their 9 month training program leading up to running the Boston Marathon last April. They started with a 2 mile run and worked up to 20 miles. All except for 1 finished the entire marathon. The only one that didnt was forced to drop out of the training very early with multiple stress fractures.


Thanks for this. Doesn't look like this is airing anytime soon here, so I'm watching online. I completely believe that anyone can be taught how to run. I feel like I am proof of this, so this is something that fascinates me.

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 01:17 PM

Thanks for this. Doesn't look like this is airing anytime soon here, so I'm watching online. I completely believe that anyone can be taught how to run. I feel like I am proof of this, so this is something that fascinates me.


I saw this show as well - a few thoughts:

* It was nice to see them cover some of the basic science such as VO2Max, the building of blood vessels during long runs and the explanation of 'hitting the wall'

* It definitely was nice to see the will of these people and how they made it through the pain and suffering of training/injuries

* I would have liked to see more coverage of the types of training and would have liked to see more of the 'elite' training


I realize that this was more of a science based show (focused more on the human body and running more than the actual marathon) and overall it was a nice documentary.

Reminds me to continue my search for a free VO2Max test :smithicide:

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Posted 07 November 2007 - 10:33 AM

The Wakefield series aren't anything spectacular - they don't get that many people but it's a nice fast/flat course to run. As far as weekly series goes, I would try to make that a tempo/speed day. Are you talking about winter weekly series or Spring? In the winter they are slim, I'm not sure about the Wakefield series but there is no Winter Goodtimes at all. There are a couple of options around here: Khourey's in Somerville and the Fudgicle Series in Tewksbury. Khourey's is every Thursday night and the Fudgicle series is every Saturday AM during the winter.


It doesnt look like I'll be able to do the T-day 5k race in Lowell. It's probably for the best as I'm just starting to get back into running again now that my knee soreness has gone away. I did 4.5 miles yesterday and it felt a little tougher than in should have but not much. I expect to do about 25 miles this week (long of 10) and continue adding 2 miles per week until I'm back in the 35 mpw range and then hang there for a few weeks.

My main reason for the post is to check on other races during the winter. The options seem to be:
Shamrock 5 mile - Woburn (Thu)
Khoury's 4.13 - Somerville (Thu)
Olde Magoun's 5k - Somerville (Thu)
Wakefield 5k - Wakefield (Wed)
Fudgesicle 5k - Tewksbury (Sat) Can't find any info on this

Where is the Fudgicle series in Tewks? Also, have you heard anything about the Super 5K in Lowell? It is always on SB Sunday, but the website doesnt have any info. You mentioned there may be an issue with the location.

Goals for 2008:
5k - sub 20, with stretch goal of 19:30 (PR is 20:36)
Drop 5-8 lbs
Get comfortable with 5 days of running per week and ~40 miles (normal long run of 14-16)
Marathon prep to peak 60-65 mpw (we'll see if I can schedule that much running!)

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Posted 07 November 2007 - 12:51 PM

I still haven't run yet. Mostly because I need new shoes.

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Posted 07 November 2007 - 03:46 PM

It doesnt look like I'll be able to do the T-day 5k race in Lowell. It's probably for the best as I'm just starting to get back into running again now that my knee soreness has gone away. I did 4.5 miles yesterday and it felt a little tougher than in should have but not much. I expect to do about 25 miles this week (long of 10) and continue adding 2 miles per week until I'm back in the 35 mpw range and then hang there for a few weeks.

My main reason for the post is to check on other races during the winter. The options seem to be:
Shamrock 5 mile - Woburn (Thu)
Khoury's 4.13 - Somerville (Thu)
Olde Magoun's 5k - Somerville (Thu)
Wakefield 5k - Wakefield (Wed)
Fudgesicle 5k - Tewksbury (Sat) Can't find any info on this

Where is the Fudgicle series in Tewks? Also, have you heard anything about the Super 5K in Lowell? It is always on SB Sunday, but the website doesnt have any info. You mentioned there may be an issue with the location.

Goals for 2008:
5k - sub 20, with stretch goal of 19:30 (PR is 20:36)
Drop 5-8 lbs
Get comfortable with 5 days of running per week and ~40 miles (normal long run of 14-16)
Marathon prep to peak 60-65 mpw (we'll see if I can schedule that much running!)


Ahhh, the dead time of the year for racing. Are you looking for races or weekly series? In December, there are a few options for races:

Khoury's Winter Challenge - fun usually very cold race in December. More free beer than you can imagine - tough course. Same course as the Thursday night regular runs

Walter's Run - 5k - in mid December as well in West Roxbury - tough course - hills at the beginning and end


The fudgicle series starts and ends at Tewksbury High School - I THINK the series starts up in January but I'll try to find out. And from what I've heard the race director MIGHT be moving it from the Knickerbocker club in Lowell to the Elks club in Lowell over by the boathouse - I'll try to get info on that also.

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Posted 07 November 2007 - 03:58 PM

Ahhh, the dead time of the year for racing. Are you looking for races or weekly series? In December, there are a few options for races:


I'm looking for potential options for races. I think I'll only do 1 or maybe 2 between now and Spring, but I thought I'd gather some info and see if any make sense. I dont have to run any races during the winter, but depending on how I feel I might take a shot. Last Feb I got a big boost from the 5k time (20:36), so I thought I'd try it again this year. I've learned that my shorter distance times do not translate very well at all to longer distances, but that was not a huge shock because I was a 400m/800m runner in HS. I'm curious to see how doing more miles translates to the 5k. I know it can't hurt. I ran the 5k in Feb last year on about 15 mpw for 8 weeks.

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Posted 10 November 2007 - 11:38 AM

Well my goal race is tomorrow (Seacoast Half) so with some nervous energy I took a page out of Nate's log and summarized my training (a lot less and a lot slower miles than his). Some highlights:

* 119 day training period - 6 days off
* 66 mpw average
* High Milage = 77 - Low Milage = 52 (Twice - one for week with two races and this week - taper week)
* Average training pace - 6:33 (Pace by month: July=6:43,A=6:45,S=6:32,O=6:23,N=6:22)
* 18+ singles = 5
* 18+ doubles = 5
* Races = Ramble 10M=56:21,10k=35:20,2 5ks=16:13,16:15

My last big race in September was a hilly,hot 10M race in Harvard,MA. I managed 5:41 pace for that race, so considering I've trained well since then, there is no reason why I can't pull that off for a relatively flat 13.1M. This will be my goal but if someone makes a move early on, I will go with them. Assuming we are still around 5:40 pace through 10m I will push the pace a little bit and see if someone comes with me.

The work is done - now it's fun time. I guess the weather will be a little on the cold side - but overall near perfect conditions (Im sure there will be wind around the harbor - hopefully it won't be too bad)

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Posted 10 November 2007 - 08:38 PM

My last big race in September was a hilly,hot 10M race in Harvard,MA. I managed 5:41 pace for that race, so considering I've trained well since then, there is no reason why I can't pull that off for a relatively flat 13.1M. This will be my goal but if someone makes a move early on, I will go with them. Assuming we are still around 5:40 pace through 10m I will push the pace a little bit and see if someone comes with me.


Good luck! It sounds like you've got a pretty good plan. Sub 1:20 would have got you on the podium last year and a 5:40 pace (1:14:12) won the race so it sounds like you should be right with the leaders. The wind looks like it will be right at your back the first 4-5 miles, in your face the next 3 then various cross winds the last 5 miles which should make for an interesting race. Hopefully your training will help you find a little extra in the last 5k when you turn for home!

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 12:18 PM

A little late, but go get 'em, Dave!

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 03:08 PM

A little late, but go get 'em, Dave!


Thanks - well that was bittersweet....

I showed up, did a nice 2 mile warmup and I see two Whirlaway guys loosening up - one being Tim Ryder (just ran 2:32 at Cape) and Chris Mahoney - another young stud who ran a 2:33 at Chicago in 06. I've done a couple of training runs with Chris - at that point I didn't know how I would finish....

As expected those two shot out - Tim ended up running a 5:10 first mile and I saw Chris fall off the pace. I was running with a guy who was looking to run 6minute pace - I sorta chuckled when we went through mile 1 at about 5:37. Needless to say, eventually it was Tim, Chris and myself running along as the other fellow fell off the pace.

I always kept Chris in my sights as a goal - if I could keep within 30-50 yards of him I was happy. We went through 5 faster than I wanted to (27:38) so I started getting nervous - I never was able to breathe very easy (ever since the cold weather came in I've been having problems) but my legs felt good. This continued through 10 where I passed through at 56:13 - I faltered and Chris kept pace. - I started to lose him.

I ended up running my last 3m at 5:50,5:55,6:26(1.1) - a bittersweet win. I was on pace to go sub 1:14 but couldn't hold it and wasn't happy with my finish. In hindsight I should have taken a gu at 6-7 - perhaps it could have helped. I guess overall I can't be upset with a 3:30 PR, 100$ and a solid 3rd: 1:14:26

Edit: The course was tougher than I thought it would be. The wind was never really that bad but the hills were tougher than they look on paper

Edited by BleacherFan, 11 November 2007 - 03:28 PM.


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Posted 11 November 2007 - 03:30 PM

I ended up running my last 3m at 5:50,5:55,6:26(1.1) - a bittersweet win. I was on pace to go sub 1:14 but couldn't hold it and wasn't happy with my finish. In hindsight I should have taken a gu at 6-7 - perhaps it could have helped. I guess overall I can't be upset with a 3:30 PR, 100$ and a solid finish.


Nice run Dave. That's a pretty impressive PR! I went to the race website about an hour ago and saw you finished 3rd and I was looking forward to the race report. I went out for a run this morning and I was thinking about how your race would play out next to the water. If the wind was strong you would be running in conditions you could not have trained for. There just havent been many mornings below 40 to get accustomed to the cold air.

Still with the 3rd place prize money you're in the black for the day with money left over for a decent dinner! You nailed your estimated time based on your 10m race a few weeks ago. Running at the front is a different experience because often you dont have control of the pace unless you're able to push the pace. Congrats on the finish.

How were the views along the water? :rolling: I cant imagine you had a lot of time to check out the sights!

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 03:35 PM

Thanks - well that was bittersweet....

I showed up, did a nice 2 mile warmup and I see two Whirlaway guys loosening up - one being Tim Ryder (just ran 2:32 at Cape) and Chris Mahoney - another young stud who ran a 2:33 at Chicago in 06. I've done a couple of training runs with Chris - at that point I didn't know how I would finish....

As expected those two shot out - Tim ended up running a 5:10 first mile and I saw Chris fall off the pace. I was running with a guy who was looking to run 6minute pace - I sorta chuckled when we went through mile 1 at about 5:37. Needless to say, eventually it was Tim, Chris and myself running along as the other fellow fell off the pace.

I always kept Chris in my sights as a goal - if I could keep within 30-50 yards of him I was happy. We went through 5 faster than I wanted to (27:38) so I started getting nervous - I never was able to breathe very easy (ever since the cold weather came in I've been having problems) but my legs felt good. This continued through 10 where I passed through at 56:13 - I faltered and Chris kept pace. - I started to lose him.

I ended up running my last 3m at 5:50,5:55,6:26(1.1) - a bittersweet win. I was on pace to go sub 1:14 but couldn't hold it and wasn't happy with my finish. In hindsight I should have taken a gu at 6-7 - perhaps it could have helped. I guess overall I can't be upset with a 3:30 PR, 100$ and a solid 3rd: 1:14:26

Edit: The course was tougher than I thought it would be. The wind was never really that bad but the hills were tougher than they look on paper


By my calculations, you finished 1:14:24, almost exactly at your stated goal of 5:41 miles. . That is a fantastic time, especially on a cold, dry day.

Congratulations, hermano. You should be very proud.

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 03:52 PM

By my calculations, you finished 1:14:24, almost exactly at your stated goal of 5:41 miles. . That is a fantastic time, especially on a cold, dry day.

Congratulations, hermano. You should be very proud.


Thanks - I just wish I finished a little stronger - sorta limped into the end. Just another goal to keep in the back of my mind.

How were the views along the water? smile.gif I cant imagine you had a lot of time to check out the sights!

The views were kinda cool - there was one spot (Around 5-5.5 miles) where the water was splashing off the rocks. For the most part the path was through nice residential neighborhoods and there was a lot of runner support.

The bridges sucked though - they were grated pretty far apart and felt slippery.

Still with the 3rd place prize money you're in the black for the day with money left over for a decent dinner! You nailed your estimated time based on your 10m race a few weeks ago. Running at the front is a different experience because often you dont have control of the pace unless you're able to push the pace. Congrats on the finish.


Thanks for the kind words also - keep up the training as well!

Edited by BleacherFan, 11 November 2007 - 04:02 PM.


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Posted 11 November 2007 - 08:43 PM

That's it, I'm buying new shoes tomorrow.

Thanks - I just wish I finished a little stronger - sorta limped into the end. Just another goal to keep in the back of my mind.


Chris Mahoney may have beaten you, but you're not the one looking at his watch in the finish line photo. That's a moral victory right there.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 12:33 AM

I ran today as well up in Portsmouth. I was really impressed with the crowd support and with the organization. I did get clipped by a car at one turn but what can you expect if the course is not closed.

I started too fast and faded late, finishing in 1:25:19, off my PR by 10 sec. 3 weeks off a marathon I can deal with that time.

Nice job Bleacherfan.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 07:32 AM

I ran today as well up in Portsmouth. I was really impressed with the crowd support and with the organization. I did get clipped by a car at one turn but what can you expect if the course is not closed.

I started too fast and faded late, finishing in 1:25:19, off my PR by 10 sec. 3 weeks off a marathon I can deal with that time.

Nice job Bleacherfan.


Yes, unfortunaltely that is the nature of the beast I guess - from talking to some race directors, it's costing thousands of dollars for police details to cover the roads.

Excellent job yourself - 3 weeks off a marathon you couldn't have been 100%. Which marathon did you run?

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 04:50 PM

According to the nice lady at Marathon Sports, I have "interesting feet."

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 05:17 PM

OK SoSH Running Dogs..... It is on for the 2008 Austin Marathon. Have been running regularly throughout the Summer and Fall and have now begun the push towards a Marathon. It will be my first ever running Marathon (have actually rowed 5 marathons). Austin Marathon is 3 months from now.

I know in the past several SoSHers have come down for it. Anyone this time?

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 07:29 PM

According to the nice lady at Marathon Sports, I have "interesting feet."

As far as pickup lines go I give her a 9 for originality, but a 2 for content

OK SoSH Running Dogs..... It is on for the 2008 Austin Marathon. Have been running regularly throughout the Summer and Fall and have now begun the push towards a Marathon. It will be my first ever running Marathon (have actually rowed 5 marathons). Austin Marathon is 3 months from now.

I know in the past several SoSHers have come down for it. Anyone this time?

Some of New England's finest ran there to qualify for the US Trials (Jenkins, C Moulton, T Moulton). It must be a nice course to run fast.

What is a "rowing marathon"? I quick google search revealed 31 miles, is that it? Where do they have these? It just sounds like a world of hurt for your legs, arms, back, and lungs. That must be interesting waking up the next morning. I guess you dont have to deal with hills, but the current would be an issue.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 07:58 PM

OK SoSH Running Dogs..... It is on for the 2008 Austin Marathon. Have been running regularly throughout the Summer and Fall and have now begun the push towards a Marathon. It will be my first ever running Marathon (have actually rowed 5 marathons). Austin Marathon is 3 months from now.

I know in the past several SoSHers have come down for it. Anyone this time?


Since I have family in Austin and several people have told me to 'screw Boston - go run a fast marathon', I will definitely be doing down the line. The only problem I have would be training in New England and then potentially having to run in the 50's. From what I hear last year's weather was a fluke and even though they typically start at 7am, it still could be mild.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 08:16 PM

Since I have family in Austin and several people have told me to 'screw Boston - go run a fast marathon', I will definitely be doing down the line. The only problem I have would be training in New England and then potentially having to run in the 50's. From what I hear last year's weather was a fluke and even though they typically start at 7am, it still could be mild.



Austin February Averages

February 17
Avg Hi: 66
Avg Lo: 44
Record Hi: 92
Record Lo: 17

Boston Area May Averages

Similar to May 6th in the Boston area

Starting at 7am would be helpful. How is the humidity down there in Feb? Running in the low 50s wouldnt be too bad if it was dry, but humidity would be tough to handle coming from cold dry New England.

So Dave would you run Austin then Boston 2 months later? :lol:

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 08:40 PM

As far as pickup lines go I give her a 9 for originality, but a 2 for content


This was after an hour of trying to find me the right shoes. Which I'll be testing tomorrow. I think I'm more excited for 4 miles tomorrow than I was for the marathon.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 09:52 PM

Excellent job yourself - 3 weeks off a marathon you couldn't have been 100%. Which marathon did you run?


Took a trip out to Columbus. A great course, I PR'd it by a lot... my first time under 3, 2:56 and change. Highly recommended for a speedy time.

Columbus the city, OTOH, underwhelming.

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 08:57 AM

Took a trip out to Columbus. A great course, I PR'd it by a lot... my first time under 3, 2:56 and change. Highly recommended for a speedy time.

Columbus the city, OTOH, underwhelming.


Hell of a job - you had a few minutes to spare also :lol: - Will get you a nice # for Boston (if you're running)

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Posted 13 November 2007 - 04:37 PM

It is great to see some new names pop up in here. Maybe it is a good time to ask this question. In every race I see runners who are members of various running clubs. I've thought about joining one for a couple reasons. First, to attempt to learn from some of the experiences of other runners. Second, for the occasional group runs it might be useful to have someone else control the pace once in a while. Third, the clubs may have other benefits (training programs, race fees, etc)

The idea of doing the weekend long runs occasionally with others does sound appealing, but I'm worried I'll show up and there will be a few people running 6:30-7:00mi/mile pace for their long runs (near my 10k pace) tempo and another group running 10+min/mile pace and I'll be stuck with nobody in my 8:00-8:45 pace. The greater Lowell Road Runners has a blog of the group runs and on some occasions that appeared to be the case. I'm concerned I'm a level or two below the level of the group that joins these clubs.

The cost seems pretty low (I read $25 per year), so even if it pays for a couple races I'm way ahead of the game. Hopefully, some people here can fill me in on other details I missed pro and con. I'm perfectly fine continuing to train and race on my own, I was just curious to see what clubs offer that I might otherwise be missing. There are some pretty competitive and experienced runners here (past and present) who can hopefully shed some light on this.




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