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#51 Rough Carrigan


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Posted 22 May 2007 - 12:32 PM

I went to a game at Stade Fasciste last June. I wore a Red Sox t-shirt as did my three friends. We were sitting down the right field line in the lower section such that a hitter might have been just able to wrap one around the pole and hit us. I didn't know what to expect so I was ready for anything. I think I heard a few good natured jokes but that was about it. The whole experience was oddly bland. Stade Fasciste itself was a disappointment. I didn't realize how generic the architecture was. I saw some mfy fans behaving a little more obnoxiously toward some other Sox fans than I think I typically see at Fenway but it wasn't that bad in our section.

For the record, I've sat in the cf bleachers at Fenway for some pretty raucous Sox-mfy games and seen next to nothing for harassment of mfy fans sitting around me. Maybe small sample size.

Edit addition:
One of the last games of 2004 was Schilling starting against the mfy's at Fenway. We had seats near a ramp down the right field line. All game long we joked back and forth with a couple mfy fans when they went by us. Very friendly stuff. One wore a Sheffield shirt. Around the 8th inning everybody jumps up and is looking up to the top of the stands. Fight or something. Cop after cop runs up the ramp and past us. We shouted to every cop. "It's the kid in the Sheffield shirt! It's the kid in the Sheffield shirt!" Sure enough, a minute later they're bringing down a couple actual miscreants annnnnnnd the kid in the Sheffield shirt who was expressing complete outrage that he was being asked to leave. Said he hadn't done anything. :rolling:

Edited by Rough Carrigan, 22 May 2007 - 03:27 PM.


#52 gcapalbo

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 12:46 PM

Putting it in perspective, this stuff, for the most part, while certainly things you would not want your wife or kids to hear, while bad enough, are just words.

Contrast this to what happens with 'footballers' in Europe, UK, etc... people get killed, literally. I remember seeing concrete barriers lining the exit ramps to rest stops along the motorways in the UK so that busses full of footballers could not stop there.

All that being said, Yankee fans seem to be near the extreme end of the spectrum with stupid and rude behavior. Plenty of Yankee fans hassle me when I'm in NYC and elsewhere 'minding my own business' while wearing my Sox hat.

The really obnoxious ones will run up to you pointing at their Yankee logo as if you are somehow not allowed on the sidewalk.

Other than at Fenway on a Sox-Yankee gameday, I don't see this kind of stuff happening in Boston at any time.

Face it, this has been a traumatic time for most Yankee fans. Their entire worldview has been turned on its ear since 2004. It was like we were supposed to be the Coyote in the Roadrunner cartoons, or like the anvil to their hammer. We would always get pounded and lose in the end. I still don't think they've been able to cope with it, and assume that things are going to return to their pre-2004 worldview.

It's as if they tell us enough times how they have their 26 championships, and how they've 'owned' us, and our fathers, and our grandfathers that somehow we'll defer to their greatness and show them the proper respect.

Sorry, that's not going to happen.

Unless they spot you a game in the standings for each championship win, I don't see how any of this matters in the here and now of any current season... for any team in any sport.

Ask the Celtics. Ever since the Lakers finally managed to beat them 22 years ago, things haven't been the same. While those championship banners at the Garden are nice to look at, those days seem further and further removed from any relevance.... and they certainly don't buy you much when you are down 9.5 games in the standings, no matter what part of the season it is.

#53 PseuFighter


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Posted 22 May 2007 - 12:51 PM

It makes me sad that people keep using words like traumatic, disappointing, emotional, etc in regard to fans of particular teams. If grown men are truly finding their panties in bunches during or after a sporting event as a result of some foreign activity on the playing field a world away professional athletes, perhaps it's time to find a new hobby.

#54 yecul


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Posted 22 May 2007 - 12:54 PM

While trash talking wouldn't bother me I think I'd leave the Sox garb at home if I went to the toilet. Beer throwing and whatnot is unacceptable regardless of venue. It's also pretty stupid. If they want to throw $5 bills at me then that'd be ok.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 01:12 PM

Contrast this to what happens with 'footballers' in Europe, UK, etc... people get killed, literally. I remember seeing concrete barriers lining the exit ramps to rest stops along the motorways in the UK so that busses full of footballers could not stop there.

I didn't want to bring up footy, but since it was...

Here are some of the things that happen to Portland Timbers Fans when we travel to Seattle and Qwest field.

--Police officers refusing to take statements from witness (from Portland) after they have arrested some one from Portland and charged him with FELONY assault for a shoving match. They said "You are from Portland, you are going to lie about this"
--Police asking one fan to see his ticket, pocketing it when it is handed over, and then arresting him for trespassing (not just kicking him out of the stadium)
--Security threating to arrest fans for swearing (first of all they don't have the authority, second swearing isn't a crime)
--Security flipping off fans
--Police pepper sparing a fan who was asking why his friend was being escorted out of the stadium in handcuffs (his friend DID deserved to be booted and knows it).

I should preface this by saying that we are VERY loud and there are some people that get pretty drunk, and ONCE someone lit a smoke bomb in the stadium.

I can deal with the fans being jerks (in Seattle all they seem to know how to say is "Your team lost HAHA"), but when cops and the security are causing problems and making the situation worse, then there are problems.

#56 Madison33


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Posted 22 May 2007 - 01:34 PM

This thread is pretty much a reflection of what I've heard about Yankee Stadium. Sometimes it isn't bad, sometimes it is brutal and beware of where you sit.

I recently began my "pilgrammage" to hit all of the MLB parks in my lifetime. Given that Yankee Stadium's last year is 2008, that was on my list for this year or next...however, scheduling isn't allowing for me to be able to do it this year. Right before I left for Camden in April, I was dropping my dog off at Dad's and brought up that I need to get to Yankee Stadium before it closes (same with Shea...) My father then sat Eck's Factor down and had a conversation with him that went something like this:

If you care about my daughter at all, you will NOT bring her to Yankee Stadium.

My brother has been down there a bunch of times and he has said the same thing. I can definitely get a little rowdy (especially when you add in beer) but I can't believe that, if escorted by others, it would be all that bad for me. I would (I hope) know better than to start anything or engage much beyond good natured ball busting.

It is interesting to see that the Bleachers are strongly discouraged in this thread...I've heard that that is actually where I would be best off.

#57 Greg Blosser

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 01:43 PM

I haven't been to the Terlet in a few years but went to a ton of Sox-Yankees games there between '97 and '02, usually seated in the upper deck behind home plate (friends had season tickets) and wearing a Sox hat, and I never really saw much in the way of fights or asshole Yankee fans. The few times I did get ragged on, it usually became a pretty good-natured back-and-forth session that most times wound up with us buying each other beers after a few innings and talking about the late '70s teams.

That said, Yankees fans have given me far more shit on the street and at bars than at the actual games themselves, with the '04 ALCS being the peak. It should be noted that the last comment I ever got from a random guy on the street was on the morning of October 28th, 2004 - something about 25 more rings. Nice.

It's kind of a moot point now, though, because the hat ratio is probably 40% Mets, 40% Sox, and 20% Yankees. Hell, even the old Polish guys in my neighborhood who probably have no idea what baseball is are wearing cheap knock-off Sox caps. The Yankees bandwagon has emptied, big-time. I don't even see the home jerseys with the players' names printed on the back anymore, which sucks from a comedy perspective.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 02:03 PM

It is interesting to see that the Bleachers are strongly discouraged in this thread...I've heard that that is actually where I would be best off.

Here's my theory on this -- at least for the bleachers "family section" that's alcohol free.

Because they don't serve beer in the family section, most ticketholders simply show up loaded. Which means that while the bleachers are rowdy early in the game, they get better by the mid- and late-innings as the alcohol wears off and the hang-overs kick in.

The upper deck is the exact opposite. It starts out okay, but by the time the fifth inning rolls around, a good many of MFY diehards are on their fifth or sixth beer. That's when it goes from merely annoying to truly ugly.

In my experience, the playoff games are better than the regular season games. I don't know if it's because the Yankees spend more on security during the post-season or just that the tickets cost more.

Edited by xjack, 22 May 2007 - 02:03 PM.


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Posted 22 May 2007 - 02:29 PM

I have been to three Sox-MFY games at YS in the past three years. I have been treated very well. I always wear my Sox garb as well. I was in the bleachers for the Wakefield/RJ 1-0 game in '05. There was the usual ball busting, but no one was ruthless. I like going to YS generally.

#60 Rooster Crows

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 02:42 PM

I have typically gone to several games a year in MFY Stadium during the past 20 years, some Sox and some not, some in the upper deck and some in corporate land. I am a pretty vocal Sox fan, when they play. My observations and conventional wisdom among the Yankee fans I know:

First, the bleachers are like the DMZ - don't go there unless you have no choice or nothing to loose.

Second, avoid roaming gangs of young drunk stud types (or old dudes who want to be young studs)(unless you happen to be one).

Third, before you whip off your sweatshirt, or tear off the velcro-ed "NY" from your hat to reveal the true Sox logo-d essence below, scope out the territory - are there other Sox fans showing their colors? Has a neutral zone been established? What are the relative standings and do the Yank fans think there is any shot of the Sox winning the game?

Seriously, in all my years of going, although I usually don't flaunt my Sox gear, up to 2003 anyway, I have rarely had a problem. I often face fairly good-natured ribbing and a rolling of the eyes, I typically find a few stalwart kindred Sox fans in the area and we get a friendly little rivalry going. That is, until 2004. I was at the first game, and there was definitely an unpleasant undercurrent permeating the atmosphere the entire game. I was also at Game 6 (simply known as the Schilling game) when the seething underbelly erupted, and general ugliness ensued. The MFY fans began looking at us Sox fans differently, and no longer tolerated our Soxism with benign condescension or amusing contempt. From bleacher bum to corporate suit, this recent Yankee championship era had begun to slip away that night, and there almost seemed to be a collective awareness of this, and they were pissed.

Edited by Rooster Crows, 22 May 2007 - 02:47 PM.


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Posted 22 May 2007 - 02:51 PM

While trash talking wouldn't bother me I think I'd leave the Sox garb at home if I went to the toilet.

From my perspective, that approach is problematic in that it leads Yankee fans to think you're one of them and to try to high five you when their Jetes or Posey does something good in their eyes. On the flip side, you can boo Slappy along side them with impunity, which is nice.

The other thing I don't like about not wearing a Sox hat or a shirt is that approximatley 20% of the crowd at the Toilet will be wearing Sox colors, and it's fun to connect with other Sox fans there, especially during good times.

More to the point, while Sox colors do increase the chances that some idiot will get into it with you, avoiding the way upper sections and bleachers probably goes along way to that also.

Edited by TheoShmeo, 22 May 2007 - 02:56 PM.


#62 samuelLsamson

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 03:02 PM

Then again I usually sit in good box seats at Fenway, but when I go to the Stadium, I'm always in the upper deck.


I think you're spot on with the implication here - it's not a Sox v Yankees difference but a box seats crowd v upper deck crowd thing.

#63 86spike


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Posted 22 May 2007 - 03:17 PM

If you care about my daughter at all, you will NOT bring her to Yankee Stadium.


Madison - no offense to your dad, but that's stupid.

Go to Yankee Stadium, cheer for the Sox, enjoy yourself. You will probably be subjected to catcalls, chants and insults at times... but no one is going to physically harm you.

Jesus Christ people.

#64 pk1627

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 03:39 PM

I've been to every stadium except SD, Det and Milw and have worn Sox gear. Only issue is the Toilet. I've had great experiences at playoff games in Oakland (2003), StL (2004) and Chicago (2005).

One's Toilet experience pretty much depends on the maturity of those sitting around you. Commit the unforgiveable sin of standing up, and your odds get worse.

I won't sit in the upper deck anymore. Just won't. No reason to go to a ballgame and worry about the safety of you and the person you're with. It's a baseball game.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 03:39 PM

My one trip to the Toilet, in a Sox hat but street clothes, I didn't get really any crap inside and was just heckled by some drunks after the game.

Contrast that with my trip to SF, where we sat 10 rows behind the plate and were hit with thrown food repeatedly simply for the offense of sitting next to someone in a Marlins jersey who was cheering when his team did something well. When the gentleman asked the usher to get the people to stop throwing food, the response was that he should stop cheering if he didn't like it. When I pointed out that I wasn't even doing anything and got hit by food the usher just laughed and walked away. So, regardless of locale or section, it can happen anywhere.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 03:47 PM

Let's be realistic about this. If you get good seats, nobody's going to bother you, or the chance of being bothered drops dramatically. I never had any problems at the playoffs, probably because the tickets were close to $100 for even the upper deck (after ticketbastard fees and whatnot), though when the serfs pay the $19 cover for multiple rounds of $10 watered down toilet piss, the crowd is going to be utter shit and behave accordingly. The few times I've sat in the lower bowl for Sox games at that place, or snuck into decent seats behind the plate, I wasn't bothered and the people were, let's say, of a "better" variety. Upstairs, however, it's like day care for frat pigs that can't seem to outgrow their own immature deficiencies. I mean, christ, where else in baseball are field box seats *chained* with guards at every section? While it's unfair to typecast the lower-paying patrons as wild animals, to an extent, it's sadly true -- not that I'm suggesting anything about socioeconomic stature.

edit: Likewise, I don't generally see people misbehaving in groups in any ticket priced above $80 at Fenway. Of course, most of the loge/field box seats were swiped up ages ago by season ticket holders and the corporate type that doesn't turn easily, and is generally protective of who uses their tickets so they're not pulled by the club. I'm guessing it can be a zoo in the bleachers and up back in a deep standing room crowd, though I've rarely sat out there or stood in the literally hundreds of times I've been to Fenway. I have, however, seen people take advantage of the phone number they would post (still do?) before the game, report the location of the incident, and have security send someone over pretty quickly. In fact, security has improved considerably since ownership changed hands.

Edited by PseuFighter, 22 May 2007 - 03:52 PM.


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Posted 22 May 2007 - 03:49 PM

My one trip to the Toilet, in a Sox hat but street clothes, I didn't get really any crap inside and was just heckled by some drunks after the game.

Contrast that with my trip to SF, where we sat 10 rows behind the plate and were hit with thrown food repeatedly simply for the offense of sitting next to someone in a Marlins jersey who was cheering when his team did something well. When the gentleman asked the usher to get the people to stop throwing food, the response was that he should stop cheering if he didn't like it. When I pointed out that I wasn't even doing anything and got hit by food the usher just laughed and walked away. So, regardless of locale or section, it can happen anywhere.

I do think the Stadium is worse, but clearly it's not just an NY problem. It's a baseball problem.

I've been to Madison Square Garden a half dozen times, and I simply cannot imagine MSG ushers or security staffers simply ignoring beer tossing or food throwing or even in-your-face verbal abuse.... I don't understand why baseball fans should have to tolerate behavior that basketball fans do not.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 03:56 PM

That is true, the kind of behavior "tolerated" at baseball games isn't tolerated at basketball games. But the behavior is often worse at football games...is it because we are outdoors? I don't know. One problem is that there isn't nearly enough security at these things. I remember trying to find my seat at MFY Stadium one time..and there was literally no one there at all to help, it was as if no one worked there. They are reactive to fights, but not proactive in preventing them from starting. Hey, I think some good natured ribbing is in store if you wear the other team's colors, but this stuff goes way too far in many parks. There's no reason to get into a fight at a baseball game, lets have some sense of perspective here.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 03:56 PM

I do think the Stadium is worse, but clearly it's not just an NY problem. It's a baseball problem.

I've been to Madison Square Garden a half dozen times, and I simply cannot imagine MSG ushers or security staffers simply ignoring beer tossing or food throwing or even in-your-face verbal abuse.... I don't understand why baseball fans should have to tolerate behavior that basketball fans do not.

If it's true, it's a good point. I'm going out on a limb here and I really don't have anything to back this up (though I haven't really investigated it either), but I think baseball in America is prone to these "problems" because of the slow nature of play. It's very easy to give up paying attention in baseball for literally dozens of minutes and, to the casual fan, not "miss" anything of importance. Any timed sport (basketball, hockey, and to an extent, football) requires one to pay more attention so not to miss any play that's, well, set to a clock.

#70 drleather2001


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Posted 22 May 2007 - 03:57 PM

Madison - no offense to your dad, but that's stupid.

Go to Yankee Stadium, cheer for the Sox, enjoy yourself. You will probably be subjected to catcalls, chants and insults at times... but no one is going to physically harm you.

Jesus Christ people.


Yes, let's bring this back down to earth. It's unpleasant, at times, to be a Sox fan in Yankee Stadium. However, if you control yourself, have someone there to talk to, and use common sense ("Maybe I will ignore that drunk asshole's 'Boston Sucks' chant, even though I could probably match wits with him."), you'll be just fine. If trouble starts in your section, just walk away.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 04:03 PM

Yes, let's bring this back down to earth. It's unpleasant, at times, to be a Sox fan in Yankee Stadium. However, if you control yourself, have someone there to talk to, and use common sense ("Maybe I will ignore that drunk asshole's 'Boston Sucks' chant, even though I could probably match wits with him."), you'll be just fine. If trouble starts in your section, just walk away.

Again, good advice if you're an adult at the game with other adults. Less helpful if you're there with kids... I'm not going to take my children to a baseball game if I'm constantly thinking about when I have to evacuate them from our seats.

#72 Murray Rude

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 04:43 PM

I've been to a bunch of ballparks but the vast majority of my games have been at the Toilet, in all kinds of seats.

This unruly fan behavior has absolutely gotten much worse in the past 5 years than it ever was before.

Not selling beer or charging an arm and a leg for it only makes it worse as people make sure to get fully loaded before the game and then continue to drink inside (even if their plan was to not spend the $$$). Even if they smuggle it in.

Hoping a certain level of civility emerges is a losing proposition. The only solution is more/better security. These guys get paid next-to-nothing and you get what you pay for. I understand this is going to cost money but MLB and most franchises are making money hand over fist. When someone ends up dying at the game, then they'll move on it.

NBA venue security is pretty good because people generally know they're being watched. I've gone entire MLB games sitting in the stands more prone to "unrest" without seeing much security at all. When you can't bring your kid to the game without spending $100 a ticket, we have a serious problem.

20 years ago you worried about outside the Stadium - now you worry about inside.

Edited by Murray Rude, 22 May 2007 - 04:45 PM.


#73 Sille Skrub

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 04:46 PM

I wear Sox gear all the time to Yankee Stadium. I've found that if you are respectful (read: aren't a jerk) and cheer for your team without being overly obnoxious, you will be fine. Sure you will probably get heckled, but most of it is in good fun. Opposing fans love it if you give it right back respectfully and even more if it is in a fun manner. Good-natured, friendly ribbing back and forth only enhances the game experience. I've even made a few friends with opposing fans by doing this.

I like to think of it this way: I hate it when visiting fans are jerks in Fenway, so I am always overly cautious to be a good houseguest when visiting other parks/stadiums.

After Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS, many of the remaining Yankee fans were very classy, shook our hands and even wished us luck in the World Series.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 05:04 PM

It does seem that Fenway security has a much lower tolerance to bad fan behaviour than most parks. They have no problem throwing someone out, they will sell out, with or without the hardcore rowdy fans. The MFY do not have a full toilet bowl every game. They need the bleacher creatures to come to every game and drink there instead of in their local cave.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 05:11 PM

It does seem that Fenway security has a much lower tolerance to bad fan behaviour than most parks. They have no problem throwing someone out, they will sell out, with or without the hardcore rowdy fans. The MFY do not have a full toilet bowl every game. They need the bleacher creatures to come to every game and drink there instead of in their local cave.

But the irony or that statement is that the bleachers are alcohol-free. However, as others have indicated, those out there come loaded (even though signs posted at the bleacher entrance read something along the lines of "intoxicated fans will not be admitted").

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 05:35 PM

But the irony or that statement is that the bleachers are alcohol-free. However, as others have indicated, those out there come loaded (even though signs posted at the bleacher entrance read something along the lines of "intoxicated fans will not be admitted").


Over 60 % of the games I attended at Fenway were in the bleachers, only once I was with a group of drunks (Bachelor's party) and it did not take very long for one of us to get thrown out (of course the most sober guy who did not know what was happening). There was no violence involved (just an accidental spilling of some beer). Fenway security does not have any issues throwing out Sox fans without warning. If this is one of the few Sox games you could find tickets for in the season you also have more of an incentive to behave and not get thrown out for swearing too much. OTOH, the NY Cromagnon people who inhabit the bleachers and upperdecks can drink their beers/shots before going back to the bleachers too. Tickets are almost always available, even for tonight's game you can buy tickets online now. The toilet bowl attendants have less of an incentive to throw fans out and the fans have less of an incentive to behave. In the "good old days" Fenway was a lot less friendly too.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 10:17 PM

How long ago was it when the Red sox security was a whole army of college age looking guys in blue blazers. During that time period, Fenway had the best security I have ever seen. This drunk (I would have no problem with the death penalty given to anyone who gets drunk at a baseball game) was sitting near us, and this lady went to the blue blazer guys to complain. Within minutes the two of them sat down near the guy. One of them whispered something in his ear. He gave them mouth back and was gone within minutes, never to bother anyone again. Anyway, I forget when it was that Fenway dropped them and now am pretty unaware of what they're doing for security.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 10:40 PM

Those guys were good Zup, and come to think of it I did not even notice that they were gone...I make very few Fenway games, once every two years or so now...they were everywhere.

Remember one of them getting into it with Jeff NElson back in '99 when the Yankees had to pull their team off the field?

Nelson of course also got into it in '03 with the bullpen security guy, wonder whatever happened in that case, weren't he and Garcia charged in court?

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 10:50 PM

How long ago was it when the Red sox security was a whole army of college age looking guys in blue blazers. During that time period, Fenway had the best security I have ever seen. This drunk (I would have no problem with the death penalty given to anyone who gets drunk at a baseball game) was sitting near us, and this lady went to the blue blazer guys to complain. Within minutes the two of them sat down near the guy. One of them whispered something in his ear. He gave them mouth back and was gone within minutes, never to bother anyone again. Anyway, I forget when it was that Fenway dropped them and now am pretty unaware of what they're doing for security.

I think they do a lot of eye in the sky monitoring. Look up above you when you sit in grandstand 24 or somewhere near there. You see one of those little black hemispheres like you see on the ceiling at casinos. There are several of 'em scattered throughout the park. They're watching.

The other thing they do is enlist everyone in the park to help. They repeat the security # and anyone with a cell phone can call and bring security to the spot.

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 11:01 PM

I lived in the NYC area for 5 years and went to about 15-20 Red Sox V.S. Yanks games at Yankee Stadium and you can get into as much trouble as you want and as little as you want.

There were times when I didn't want to be bothered...Wore my Sox cap and tee..more or less kept my mouth shut and rooted towards the field..

Then again there were times when (after many drinks of course) I wanted to stir things up and was standing on a chair facing towards the stands with a finger in the air. I was asking for it and being an idiot ( have since grown up..somewhat at least)..

If you are respectful and keep to yourself then the most that will happen is some "all in good fun" heckling (obviously some exceptions to this rule but that is not a product of Yankee Stadium). If you want to challenge the opposing fans and risk a confrontation then that choice is there just as easily.

The bottom line is there is a lot of passion in both places and there are going to isolated issues between both fans.

I think that you also have to consider that you are in their house. Which means a more aware mind set needs to be taken that you are outnumbered and a certain level of respect needs to be shown. (And also consider that if you do encounter an issue then wearing Sox garb is not going to help your case)

Edited by bornintoit, 22 May 2007 - 11:04 PM.


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Posted 22 May 2007 - 11:01 PM

Contrast that with my trip to SF, where we sat 10 rows behind the plate and were hit with thrown food repeatedly simply for the offense of sitting next to someone in a Marlins jersey who was cheering when his team did something well. When the gentleman asked the usher to get the people to stop throwing food, the response was that he should stop cheering if he didn't like it. When I pointed out that I wasn't even doing anything and got hit by food the usher just laughed and walked away. So, regardless of locale or section, it can happen anywhere.


This kind of situation is where I'd be sure to get whatever identifying information I could about the usher -- appearance, location etc if there's no name badge (cell phone photo if you can be sufficiently surreptitious about it) -- and the next day CALL the team's front office and persist until you find the person who runs security and is in a position to fire the offender or otherwise gives you satisfaction.

Note I don't say to tell the offending usher you want to speak to his/her boss, because obviously he/she could get you kicked out and who wants to miss part of a game.

Note I also don't say "drop a nastygram in the stadium suggestion box" or "write a 'Dear Front Office'" letter but get on the phone and do not relent until you are satisfied. Do some Googling beforehand and maybe find a particularly relevant phone number (this tactic worked wonders for me once when I had a beef with a telco and I found some sort of executive support #).

p.s. Last night I went to Dodger Stadium for the first time, wore a Sox cap, and got some mild but terribly unclever grief from a couple Dodgers fans. There are idiots everywhere. Last week I went to Petco for the first time and got into a couple good conversations with Padres fans thanks to the Sox cap. There are good people everywhere.

Edited by AnkleStigmata, 22 May 2007 - 11:03 PM.


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Posted 22 May 2007 - 11:40 PM

How long ago was it when the Red sox security was a whole army of college age looking guys in blue blazers.


The old man used to tell me those were summer jobs for B.C. football players.

The only time I deserved trouble at Chez Toilette, I didn't get it. A long night of loudly rooting for the Bash Brothers was strangely tolerated.

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Posted 23 May 2007 - 11:54 AM

My last 2 visits to Yankee Stadium were for games 6/7 in 2004.

I was fully decked in sox gear -- papi tshirt, jersey, dugout jacket, hat and red socks. It just didn't seem like it would have been as much fun if I went undercover. But I was prepared for harassment. Edit: In fact, I'm sure that I was looking forward to the harassment, b/c there's absolutely a part of me that loves to bug people. That said, I've never instigated anything, and I think the Yankees Suck chant is assinine. One of my favorite moments was getting booed at Dodger stadium when I was featured on the jumbotron wearing my sox hat. I can't remember who the Dodgers were playing.... I have to say I was really surprised at how nasty the O's fans were last year when I visited Camden and wore my Sox jersey (for a White Sox game). I don't know, maybe it's stupid to wear the colors of a team that isn't in the park, but I like to show my Red Sox pride.

As I was climbing the treacherously steep upper deck stairs, I was greeted with chants of "ass - hole, ass - hole." Not one to back down, I said, "Wow, tell me something I haven't heard before." The reply: "You're a filthy dirty whore." Hmmm. Fortunately, the scoreboard was all that mattered.

When Dave came with me to game 7, I told him that he didn't need to be a hero if anyone gave me a hard time. We had 5 massive guys behind me, who enjoyed giving me an earful, but aside from that, were relatively harmless.

My experience was that upper deck yankee fans are a generally profane bunch, but will direct their profanity at anyone, including their beloved yankess. Kevin f*cking Brown, F*ck you, you f*cking f*ck. And f*ck your mother too. Class-y.

That said, I think I've seen more blood spilled at Fenway.

Edited by Beantowngirl, 23 May 2007 - 12:04 PM.


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Posted 23 May 2007 - 12:35 PM

On my last visit to the toilet I sat in right field in the lower deck. I was hit with a beer thrown from the upper deck, aimed at my (red) red sox hat as if it were a dart board bull's-eye. I removed the hat and hid it under my shirt for the remainder of the game. The crowd was pretty vicious that night, which was 30 years ago next month.

"plus ca change plus ca meme chose." as the french like to say.

Edited by Monbo Jumbo, 23 May 2007 - 12:35 PM.


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Posted 23 May 2007 - 12:52 PM

I was sitting in the upper deck (Tier7) behind home plate for Monday's game. I'd say about 1 out of 18-20 fans were sporting Sox gear. There was occasionally some good-natured (non-profane) ribbing going on, but that was pretty much it. Also, some moronic baiting by Yanks fans, "So much for your big signing, Coco Crisp!" Crisp was a trade acquisition and not a signing, but whatever.


Something different about the Toilet relative to Fenway are the parking lots near the Stadium where some honest-to-goodness tailgating goes on. Those fans might be getting really loaded before entering the stands.

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Posted 23 May 2007 - 12:54 PM

I was there the past two nights, and no problems at all in the upper tier. Some clown in front of me yesterday was going on and on about how much the Sox spent for "that Japanese pitcher", to which I replied "at least ours is in the major leagues". I was about ten rows from the absolute top of the park, behind home plate, and this jackass who was about 45 years old brought his glove with him.

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Posted 23 May 2007 - 01:00 PM

I've been curious since this thread started what Trenton is gonna be like tonight. My sons are 6 and 8, and they've gotten some good natured ribbing for the laundry, but I'm preparing them for the worst. Guess Trenton has been drawing well so far, around 5K per game, but they're expecting 9-10K tonight.....

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Posted 23 May 2007 - 03:20 PM

I was there last night, upper deck behind home. A good number of Sox fans in the area, without much going down. Worst heckling I heard was somebody mocking the C's for the #5 pick. To which I just had to laugh, considering the place was emptying out and it was only the 8th.

I partially agree with some who have said its as bad as you make it, with the random exception of some drunk idiots. But all stadiums have those.

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Posted 23 May 2007 - 03:45 PM

I was there last night, upper deck behind home. A good number of Sox fans in the area, without much going down. Worst heckling I heard was somebody mocking the C's for the #5 pick. To which I just had to laugh, considering the place was emptying out and it was only the 8th.

I partially agree with some who have said its as bad as you make it, with the random exception of some drunk idiots. But all stadiums have those.

The problem isn't the drunken indiots. It's the security.

Someone else made the point that the difference between the environment at the old Veterans Stadium and the new Citizens Bank Field is night and day.

Did the character of Phillies fans change? No. What has changed is the team's willingness to crack down on the idiots.

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 12:14 AM

This is an interesting topic to read. I haven't been to a game at Yankee stadium or Fenway in years. But I have fond memories of both. Going with my dad to Sox-Yankees games were some real high points of my childhood. And I distinctly remember my dad and a couple of his friends getting drunk in the Bronx and usually getting into it with MFY fans. But looking back at it, it was never THAT serious. The worst I ever saw other than the language of course, was empty beer cups being thrown. And everyone knows, those empty beer cups are never completely empty. Any actual fights I witnessed, were basically instigated by the guy being jeered. As far as I'm concerned, if you can't handle it, watch the game at home.

The one thing though that always stuck with me when it came to Sox-MFY fans and their mockery of eachother, was that they did it while using actual baseball knowledge. This never hit home for me more than last year when I was at a Denver Broncos game in Oakland. (Yeah, somehow I never became a Pats fan) I knew the reputation. I'd heard all the stories. But first of all, I was going with a couple other guys. Second, I'm not a small guy myself. (I'm 6'2" 250 lbs.) I went into the game wearing a Broncos jersey and hat. I was taunting fans outside the stadium on the way in. All in good fun. As the game went on, the violence from the Raiders fans got worse and worse. Most disappointing to me though, was that these fans had no clue about anything related to the teams or the game. Their curses at me were more threats on my life than taunts about my team. After I noticed the number of shirtless, tattooed, Mexicans gathering in our general area, and that they were spending a lot more time watching us than watching the game, we realized it was time to slip out of the stadium. I wasn't even able to go to the bathroom at the game. The one time I went to the Men's room, I opened the door and saw security trying to get these Raiders fans off of the lone Broncos fan. There must have been about 10 of them just beating this guy to hell as he tried to take a piss. These are the type of "fans" that give the rabid diehard fans a bad name. I hope the situation in New York and Boston for that matter never gets that bad. I intend to take my son to games in both stadiums when he's older, and I hope I can do so safely.

Now I live in Seattle, and I must say, I really long for the days when I can't just go to the stadium and clown on the home team at will. When Ichiro comes up to bat and the Sox fans start talking trash, the only response from M's fans is usually a look of mixed confusion and fright. It's pathetic. I hope we can keep our standards without going overboard.

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 07:36 AM

It's pretty clear that the Yankees don't care about the comfort or conditions for visiting fans. If they did, there's no way their security would behave the way it does. Because of that, if you're going to complain to Yankee management, keep your allegiances out of your letter. Moreover, make sure to stress that your entire section was aggrieved by the aggressive fan behavior and lax security. The more they think Yankee fans are being affected and driven away, the more they'll do to solve the problem.

As an aside, I have no doubt that Yankee security policy comes straight from SiaS. It'd be just like that crapstain felon to say that Yankee Stadium is for Yankee fans and that others enter at their own risk.

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 08:42 AM

As an aside, I have no doubt that Yankee security policy comes straight from SiaS. It'd be just like that crapstain felon to say that Yankee Stadium is for Yankee fans and that others enter at their own risk.



That might be a stretch. Wasn't it widely reported that he directed the stadium people to leave the lights on so Sox fans can celebrate back in 2004?

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 08:50 AM

That might be a stretch. Wasn't it widely reported that he directed the stadium people to leave the lights on so Sox fans can celebrate back in 2004?


Didn't Steinbrenner also stand outside and mock the Red Sox team bus after the 2003 ALCS?

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 08:59 AM

Last night I sat in the bleachers, section 41 (part of the roll call bunch) with my son, daughter and seven year old granddaughter. The mfy fans around us were passionate but great to my granddaughter. Yeah we heard the asshole chant, the Boston sucks chant, Varitek's gay etc. but we also saw the NYPD toss many over the top fans,with no warning, before there were any problems. I wore Sox hat and Manny jersey, son wore Sox hat, Dice-K tee, granddaughter wore Big Papi tee, retarded daughter wore mfy hat. We got booed on the way out and then I led the masses in a Boston sucks chant, cops laughed, animals appeased, good time had by all.

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 08:59 AM

Didn't Steinbrenner also stand outside and mock the Red Sox team bus after the 2003 ALCS?

The answer to both questions, yours and Winger's, is yes.

George openly mocked the Sox in 2003 ("Go back to Boston! They didn't treat us very well there.")

He also ordered that the stadium lights be left on in 2004 despite some of his underlings grousing that the Sox were celebrating on the field for too long ("Leave 'em on. They deserve it.")

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 09:14 AM

Well, at ALCS '04 Game 7, I thought they did kick us out a little soon, and they weren't letting people into the lower boxes unless they had a ticket, even during the celebration (although it was pretty easy to sneak down). I vividly remember Steinbrenner opening bashing Fenway and Sox fans immediately after an ALCS game in 2003 (from his seat, on FOX). I think it was 2003, anyway.

edit: It may have been 1999.

Edited by PseuFighter, 24 May 2007 - 09:17 AM.


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Posted 24 May 2007 - 10:21 AM

Far be it from me to defend Steinbrenner, but I did not see him standing by the RS team buses after Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS. He may, in fact, have been there, but I did not see him, and I was there, in the company of a friend who has ties to the F.O.

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 10:53 AM

The answer to both questions, yours and Winger's, is yes.

George openly mocked the Sox in 2003 ("Go back to Boston! They didn't treat us very well there.")

He also ordered that the stadium lights be left on in 2004 despite some of his underlings grousing that the Sox were celebrating on the field for too long ("Leave 'em on. They deserve it.")


Somehow I get the feeling that George didn't leave the lights on as a warm gesture to the Red Sox but rather as a way of punishing his own administration. "Leave 'em on. They deserve it... because YOU certainly don't. You should watch this, because it's YOUR fault."

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 11:35 AM

Good thread, as I have been to Yankee stadium quite a few times going to college in the NJ/NY area. Last night I went to the game with my Red Sox hat on and a windbreaker over my sox t-shirt, and literally got zero taunting. Not one Yankee fan said one word to me- it was actually shocking how benign it was for someone who just sat and enjoyed the game. The fans that did get crap were ones that were being almost obnoxious with their cheering- starting a chant with four of them standing at random times, trying to get a rise out of the crowd. I also was not in the most expensive section- Tier Box (tier section, you walk down the stairs instead of going up). Fans around me were all very polite.

However...

I was in the LF tier section, and there was a different scene in the RF tier section. At one point we saw at least 10 cups being thrown at someone, and what looked to be a Red Sox fan throwing a Yankee fan down the stairs. My friends and I were watching this unfold for a solid half inning as police tried to restore order. Was anyone in the RF tier section that can elaborate what was going on? And finally, I haven't been to a Sox/Yanks game at Fenway in a while, but is there as much of the "A-hole" chant in Fenway as The toilet? That was the one thing that really annoyed me last night (although being in RF tier last night in the later innings did not look like a pleasant place to be as a Sox fan).

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 12:19 PM

And finally, I haven't been to a Sox/Yanks game at Fenway in a while, but is there as much of the "A-hole" chant in Fenway as The toilet? That was the one thing that really annoyed me last night (although being in RF tier last night in the later innings did not look like a pleasant place to be as a Sox fan).

It does seem as if A-Hole has replaced 1918 as Yankee fans' can't-think-of-anything-else-to-say chant of choice.