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[Country Sinker]

John Henry will be on WEEI's The Big Show at 5p EST today - 11/3/05

Edited by Country Sinker, 03 November 2005 - 02:24 PM.

[Angel Santos in Red]

John Henry will be on WEEI's The Big Show at 5p EST today - 11/3/05

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So I have 2.5 hours to develop a way of throwing raw, rotten fruit through my radio. Thanks.

[BrooklynDog45]

This looks like some PR spin control. They only problem is Oh Henry's game is numbers and not words. Hopefully LL and Charles have schooled him well.

Edited by BrooklynDog45, 03 November 2005 - 02:34 PM.

[normstalls]

I really dont know what he can or can not say that is going to change anyones mind...I think that minds are made up already. And in reality, its too late. He let Theo walk and thats a huge mistake that he has to deal with. But regardless, they have to keep the spin machine revved up!

[redsox1918]

Oh my God! A whole bunch of college students are all burning their Larry Lucchino records down at Kenmore Square...

[Ted Cox 4 president]

Might there be some good news to report? Or will it just be the "I take full responsibility blah, blah, blah" again?

[One Red Seat]

He's already said he is sorry and he let everybody down and all that BS. I don't want to hear it again. What I do want to hear is what he is going to do to try to fix things. I know he is not going to push payroll to 200 million or start handing out free game tickets or something but, some kind of meaningful plan would be nice. I am tired of all the vagueness.
Tell everybody you will have a GM in a week to 10 days. Say and mean you will make every effort to keep Manny and try to make him happier. Say you have some free agents scheduled for visits and that you plan to be active participants in the meetings next week.
Quit your F'ing crying, whiny baby BS and get a glove on and get in the game. Do something!

[Country Sinker]

I think for one you guys are right, there is nothing to 'report', but on the other hand maybe that is why they are doing the spin doctoring. The team is at (almost) a complete stand still. While others are moving and grooving (ala rotoworld) we aren't doing anything until we get a new GM. Do the coaches even have contracts? Have any others in the FO reported to have "jumped ship?"

[gcapalbo]

This could be a battle royale...

Tony Mazzarotti who accused the FO in print of a 'smear campaign' and Larry Johnson, who might just about say anything are both on the show today.

IMHO, JWH needs to do this to attempt to start to repair the image of the organization with the public. I really don't know of anyone who thinks the current state of affairs is anything else than a disaster of epic proportions.

Quite honestly, if we could all understand better what exactly happened, withough assigning blame, that would be a start at putting the pieces back together.

I wonder if he takes calls?

[redsox1918]

He's already said he is sorry and he let everybody down and all that BS. I don't want to hear it again. What I do want to hear is what he is going to do to try to fix things. I know he is not going to push payroll to 200 million or start handing out free game tickets or something but, some kind of meaningful plan would be nice. I am tired of all the vagueness.
Tell everybody you will have a GM in a week to 10 days. Say and mean you will make every effort to keep Manny and try to make him happier. Say you have some free agents scheduled for visits and that you plan to be active participants in the meetings next week.
Quit your F'ing crying, whiny baby BS and get a glove on and get in the game. Do something!

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I would like to hear that he is going to be more of a hands on owner, and he'll look in the trenches more.

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

I would like to hear that he is going to be more of a hands on owner, and he'll look in the trenches more.

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Not going to happen. This will be all spin and damage control, and he'll say the same stuff he said yesterday.

LL is the hands-on guy. He will be more than ever now that Theo's gone.

[SoxsFans]

I would like to hear that he is going to be more of a hands on owner, and he'll look in the trenches more.

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After some searching within himself, he finds he can no longer give 100% to being the owner of the Boston RedSox.... he has sold his share to Larry Lucchino.....

Edited by SoxsFans, 03 November 2005 - 03:05 PM.

[gcapalbo]

Two hours before JWH enters the studio, Mazzarotti is backpedalling from having used the term 'smear' in his article last week.

Guts Tony, guts.

Now, this sounds like it's going to be a pretty tame segment.

[Jim Gosger]

I'd like somebody to ask him how he could possibly have decided it was better to lose Theo and keep Lucky, rather than the other way around.

[FelixMantilla]

This looks like some PR spin control. They only problem is Oh Henry's game is numbers and not words. Hopefully LL and Charles have schooled him well.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Harsh, but it still made made me laugh. I wonder if the Dentist has the hutzpah to approach John Henry with media advice. Hey, at least he knows how to handle the CHB.

On to today's Big Show. Bad timing gives us Larry Johnson, perhaps the dullest knife in the Boston Mediot drawer. He'll be sure to ask some inane totally-unrelated question. With better luck Sean McAdam would have been scheduled on today.

Oh well, at least Massarotti might be interesting, given his recent carping on Red Sox management. Come on Tony, show us what ya got. Just don't threaten to ignore the Red Sox Foundation.

[Sportsbstn]

I'd like somebody to ask him how he could possibly have decided it was better to lose Theo and keep Lucky, rather than the other way around.

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I dont think Henry looked at it remotely as you are suggesting. I dont think he chose Lucchino over Theo, as Theo is the one who left, Henry didnt force him out.

As for reasons to have Lucchino there, actually there are a few. This is still a business, something many fans do not grasp that idea, they just think owners will pour every dollar back into the team in an all out quest to win the world series, profitability be damned.

[PedroKsBambino]

It actually wouldn't surprise me if JWH tosses out the Dentist at some point in the near future. I don't think it'll happen today, or even this month. But it wouldnt' surprise me at all if he's gone by opening day.

Lucchino, I think, is going nowhere.

[Yaz4Ever]

There's no chance whatsoever that JWH will be taking calls on that program. He will merely be giving his side of the events, possibly apologizing to the fans to some extent for letting things get to this point, promise that there are good days ahead (I believe this to be true), and ask us (as Theo did yesterday) to be patient.

Being patient and "I'm dumping salaries left and right to profit by selling the team in a couple of years" do not necessarily go hand in hand. I believe that being patient may mean that they won't trade Manny this afternoon, but rather later if a good deal presents itself and that free agent signings may come closer to Spring Training than Thanksgiving. It may also mean that the current plan is to promote some of our youth and only make minor moves in the offseason with the promise of something larger happening at the trade deadline (unlike this season) should those moves need to be made, as they probably will.

I liked Theo as much as the next guy, but some of the people on this board have sounded an awful lot like Tim McCarver fawning over Derek Jeter and his calm eyes as you discuss the loss of Theo. Yes, he did grab Ortiz off the scrap heap, traded for The Guy Who Stole Second, and he had a pretty eventful Thanksgiving dinner a couple of years ago, but he also signed Matt Clement, Matt Mantei, Wade Miller, Edgar Renteria, etc.

In short, let's hear Mr. Henry out before we attack him. If it's a salary dump that he has been planning for awhile and he doesn't field a competitive team over the next few years, I'll join in with the angry words against him. Until then, seeing that I'm not privy to what has actually transpired behind the doors of the FO, I'll sit back and watch and try to check my emotions.

Anyhow, that's my .02.

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

It actually wouldn't surprise me if JWH tosses out the Dentist at some point in the near future.  I don't think it'll happen today, or even this month.  But it wouldnt' surprise me at all if he's gone by opening day.

Lucchino, I think, is going nowhere.

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Of course Lucky is staying; he signed an extension on his contract through 2011.

[Who The Hell is Stan Papi]

Can we plant a wire story about 30 minutes ahead of time that anonymous rich folk have formed a "Bring the National League Back to Boston" exploratory commitee?

[Fratboy]

I have my sincere doubts that anything substantial will be said. As has been stated above, we'll just hear more yammering about how he's to blame, it's all his fault, he's not fit to be owner, "That's a great question; you should ask Theo that," blah blah blah.

As Dale said yesterday, "Well that clears everything up." He'll be in strict spin mode, and we'll be hanging on every word hoping he slips up.

[The Long Tater]

I will be shocked if he says anything new or interesting.

[Maalox]

I'd like somebody to ask him how he could possibly have decided it was better to lose Theo and keep Lucky, rather than the other way around.

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Lucchino is an owner. It's pretty tough (though not impossible) to "lose" a fellow owner.

[PedroKsBambino]

Of course Lucky is staying; he signed an extension on his contract through 2011.

Not that big a deal, though, in the big picture, if they really want to get rid of him...it's a fair amount of money, but there's an upside to making that move anyway. They can also demote him if they choose to. So I don't think the extension really is the issue.

I don't think either will happen, mind you, because I think they are happy with LL, and overall have good reason to be. I know people right now don't think that's the case, but so be it.

[SoxFanSince57]

I'd like somebody to ask him how he could possibly have decided it was better to lose Theo and keep Lucky, rather than the other way around.

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There are a thousand reasons.

LL is signed through 2010 and Theo was "off the books" Tuesday.

LL has done a great job with the park.

LL have increased revenues.

LL will get another GM who will bring in his own set of "minions."

And the other 996 reason don't matter.

Edited by SoxFanSince57, 03 November 2005 - 03:44 PM.

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Not that big a deal, though, in the big picture, if they really want to get rid of him...it's a fair amount of money, but there's an upside to making that move anyway.  They can also demote him if they choose to.  So I don't think the extension really is the issue.

I don't think either will happen, mind you, because I think they are happy with LL, and overall have good reason to be.  I know people right now don't think that's the case, but so be it.

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The extension is through 2011 at around $2 million a year, plus he's likely got a piece of the team (1-2%), which would be worth $10-20 million. That's a TON of coin to buy him out of his contract and stake in the ownership.

Not gonna happen. LL's here through 2011 or when JWH sells, whichever comes first.

[BigMike]

Lucchino is an owner. It's pretty tough (though not impossible) to "lose" a fellow owner.

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the only way to lose Lucky is to either have their buddies in MLB beg Lucky to take a critically important job with MLB, because they need someone with his character and experience. So Lucky can say how much he hates to leave the Sox, but he loves the game so he couldn't turn this position down.

Or else have their buddies in MLB arrange for Lucky to join a different ownership group, where they need an experienced baseball person, adn someone who can handle stadium issues, etc. Is the Washington owneship situation handled yet? that would have been the perfect way out

[Ted Cox 4 president]

"Lucchino is an owner."


Actually, I'm not sure he is. He's president and CEO, named to those positions immediately following the purchase of the team early in 2002. He is certainly considered part of "the ownership group," but I do not believe he is an owner--unless his most recent extension included shares in the team.

[Lose Remerswaal]

"Lucchino is an owner."
Actually, I'm not sure he is. He's president and CEO, named to those positions immediately following the purchase of the team early in 2002. He is certainly considered part of "the ownership group," but I do not believe he is an owner--unless his most recent extension included shares in the team.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I think he is considered an owner, that's why he may or may not have been used as the "out" in the Colorado trade -- he was the Ownership's perogative to overrule the deal.

[PedroKsBambino]

Not gonna happen. LL's here through 2011 or when JWH sells, whichever comes first.

As I already said, I don't think it happens. But that's because they want him here, not because he's owed a few million dollars.

There's zero chance in my view that he is left in his current position just because of the money. Measured against the overall business enterprise and the PR value, it's just not nearly enough money to drive the decision.

He's staying because JWH likes the job he's done and wants him to keep on doing it.

Lose, it was reported that Lucchino communicated ownership's decision to veto that deal...that doesn't require that he actually be an owner himself. He may have been the decisionmaker or not, but he was definitely the messenger of the decision.

Edited by PedroKsBambino, 03 November 2005 - 03:51 PM.

[The Gray Eagle]

He shouldn't have been part of that press conference yesterday, and he shouldn't be going on the radio today to try to make up for it. I wouldn't be surprised if he just makes everything worse by going on the air today. Hopefully he won't, but he'd better have a good plan of what to say and stick to it. Seems pointlessly risky to go on a shout radio program right now, where one misstatement could be a soundbite replayed every hour for months.

He said his say yesterday, and even that was too much. Why go through it again, unless he has something different to say? because poor Lucky Lucchino needs more defending? Let Larry defend himself. He'd do a better job anyway.

Unless he has something new of value to say, he should shut up and get on with hiring the best GM who will work for this organization.

[Maalox]

"Lucchino is an owner."
Actually, I'm not sure he is. He's president and CEO, named to those positions immediately following the purchase of the team early in 2002. He is certainly considered part of "the ownership group," but I do not believe he is an owner--unless his most recent extension included shares in the team.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I believe Lucchino gets a minority share in the team as part of his compensation, as he did with San Diego.

[AcroBrat]

never you mind.

Edited by AcroBrat, 03 November 2005 - 04:56 PM.

[bornintoit]

I agree we are not going hear much at 5 ...other then an attemt to regain some confidence back in the management team and to ensure RSN that they are going to continue to try to put a competitive product on the field.. Def. some ball scratching of LL and some praise to Theo...nothing different then yesterday except a more thought out discussion that is delivered more premeditated and prepared...

We will see in 10 mins...

Edited by bornintoit, 03 November 2005 - 04:53 PM.

[Sullysox]

Play by play would be awesome if someone doesn't mind.

Or is it streaming?

[Marbleheader]

Play by play would be awesome if someone doesn't mind. 

Or is it streaming?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It is online...

mms://wmc1.liquidviewer.net/WEEI

[Maureen Adele]

It's streaming,

WEEI.com

[Marbleheader]

Unfortunately, couldn't be a worse group of guys than Larry Johnson, Mazz, Ordway and Sheppard there.

[Maalox]

Is it in a commercial?

[kderen]

Is it in a commercial?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Starting now.

[Sullysox]

Apparently I need a direct link because I am a total moron. When I click the streming link at Weei.com, I get an offer to join something.

Help.

[Maalox]

"A reason to be named later."

[Bdanahy14]

Is it in a commercial?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

"We had a lot of contention at the end"

"He left for a reason to be named later"

[Marbleheader]

Trust issue...media leaks played a part in negotiations. Every organizations has leaks.

Edited by Marbleheader, 03 November 2005 - 05:11 PM.

[jacklamabe65]

He doesn't sound close to tears today. He's trying to sound logical without being defensive.

[Marbleheader]

He doesn't sound close to tears today.  He's trying to sound logical without being defensive.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Agreed, seems more poised today...and he's cutting off Larry Johnson...good move.

Henry believes he knows why Theo left...though he doesn't agree with all his reasons.

Edited by Marbleheader, 03 November 2005 - 05:14 PM.

[JGray38]

Paraphrase-

BO- How is it that in a negotiation when everyone wants the same outcome it can fail...

JH- There will always be contention, lots at the end. That's one answer. "Left for a reason to be named later"

BO- Couldn't read much into PC. Trust was something that jumped out. Is there a trust problem

JH- Anytime you have unamed sources in the media, it's difficult to have negotiation. HAs been problem. Creates trust issue. Who is leaking this? Unnamed sources part of a free society/press.

BO- Do you have leaks in your organization?

JH- Every organization has them. "There's no secrets in baseball"

BO- How do you stop them? They've done damage

JH- Yes, they have done damage. It's an issue. It certainly was at the end. Many inaccurate. Early leaks inaccurate, near the end, they were. Makes people wonder what went on.

LJ- Do you undertand why he left?

JH- Yes. I didn't agree with them, but I understand why.

LJ- Why?

JH- "Reasons to be named Later"

[jacklamabe65]

The more this comes out, the more I am pissed at Theo. He knew LL was contentious when he came to Boston. Get over it and do the job you were born to do.

Edited by jacklamabe65, 03 November 2005 - 05:15 PM.

[Marbleheader]

Maybe should have let Theo have an agent

[bankshot1]

He's staying because JWH likes the job he's done and wants him to keep on doing it

While I can only read between the lines, IMO LL may have been almost soley responsible for losing a pretty f'ing valuable team asset. JWH is pretty astute with asset valuations, and he can't be too happy with someone pissing away his assets, particularly at this point in time. While he defended the survivor yesterday, he may reassess LL strengths and weaknesses, and decide a shorter leash or greater oversite might be required.

Edited by bankshot1, 03 November 2005 - 05:18 PM.