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THEO IS GONE

#1 User is offline   pedros hairstylist 

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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:20 PM

Channel 7 in Boston saying he just stepped down and is cleaning out his stuff. WEEI reporting the Channel 7 report. I really have no more to say but don't know how to stop typing..

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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:22 PM

The hot stove league is warming up...
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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:22 PM

Just heard it on the Big Show, Ordway's going off on the Globe for getting it wrong right now, implying that a deal might have been done that Theo is now going back on.
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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:22 PM

NECN, which is Boston's pseudo CNN station, is also reporting this too.
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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:23 PM

Say it ain't so.

Edit: I got it. This is Haloween, right? This is just a Haloween scare designed to freak out Red Sox Nation! What could be scarier than losing our damn smart GM at the beginning of a crucial offseason????

Ha ha. Very funny. We get the joke. . . you can come back now, Theo. . . PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE?????

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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:23 PM

Just heard - my jaw physically dropped.

May I be the first to say "Good for you, Theo, if that cockmaster Lucchino was dicking you around."

Screw him and be happy. I envy ya, buddy.
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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:25 PM

Theo stickin' it to the man!
But I am not happy about it :)
Gosh the blame game with go on for eons.
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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:25 PM

Gut Punch!

F U Larry and whoever was involved with screwing this thing up.
Absoltuely brutal move by the Sox...they look PATHETIC right now!!!!!

Frickin idiots.
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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:26 PM

I hope this is Theo's idea of an Orson Wells "War of the World" prank.
I am deeply disappointed about our loss this year. We have to do better. And I deeply want a championship. It’s about time

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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:27 PM

As much as it sucks, I can't say it's surprising. It was taking way too long to close the deal, despite reports they were close. Ugh.
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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:27 PM

Awful news if true.

Uber-contol freak Lucchino better understand what the hell he is getting into here. Meanhile, the MFY have no problem getting Cashman to stay for another three years.

Who is tougher to work for Steinbrenner or Lucky?

EDIT: The winter of discontent is upon us-

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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:28 PM

LJ needs to start working on getting excerpts fropm Theo's book now!

My loyalty rests with the laundry... I imagine that both sides have played a part in this if Theo has really quit. Not only that, if Lucky works for Henry then Henry needs to be held accountable for anything stupid tht Lucky did...

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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:28 PM

details??
I am deeply disappointed about our loss this year. We have to do better. And I deeply want a championship. It’s about time

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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:28 PM

I guess Luchiino is taking that bad cop role a little too seriously. Nice F'ing job LL and JWH. You know they are going to spin it into some kind of BS story blaming Theo but I for one am not buying it for 1 second. Much more likely that they lowballed him and generally dicked him around and he got fed up with it.

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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:29 PM

Channel 4 has it now. It's over. For Christ Sake. Red Sox won't comment. Say a deal was in place and it fell apart completely.

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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:30 PM

I know I'm not supposed to curse hardcore on the main board..

but what the fucking fuck is this shit? i swear...i fucking swear...

this is awful if true. please tell me we're jumping the gun. please.
After the third such incident, Duquette ventured down into the locker room. “I said, ‘Manny, let me ask you something. I was just wondering why you get back in the batter’s box after ball four.’ He said, ‘I don’t keep track of the balls.’ He said, ‘I don’t keep track of the strikes, either, until I got two.’ Then he said, ‘Duke, I’m up there looking for a pitch I can hit. If I don’t get it, I wait for the umpire to tell me to go to first. Isn’t that what you’re paying me to do?’ ”

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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:30 PM

It's now up on the Herald's website. It blames Lucky and states that Theo will probably sit out for a year.

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view...rticleid=109723

Theo Epstein stunned the Red Sox and the baseball world this afternoon by walking away from his job as general manager.

Just hours before his deal was set to expire at midnight, Epstein told his bosses and associates at the Red Sox’ Yawkey Way offices that he had decided not to accept a three-year deal worth $1.5 million a year, an extension for the contract he signed on Nov. 25, 2002.

Epstein had done some agonizing soul-searching the past few days, torn between staying at the job he had always coveted since his childhood days in Brookline and leaving because of intra-organizational politics and power struggles that he ultimately decided he could not live with any longer.

Money and length of the contract were not issues in the past few days for Epstein, who had lobbied hard for an annual salary of more than $1 million a year.

Epstein had come close to agreeing to a deal Saturday evening but had not officially conveyed acceptance of it. On Sunday, he began having serious misgivings about staying on. A leading contributing factor, according to sources close to the situation, was a column in Sunday’s Boston Globe in which too much inside information about the relationship between Epstein and his mentor, team president and CEO Larry Lucchino, was revealed -- in a manner slanted too much in Lucchino’s favor. Epstein, according to these sources, had several reasons to believe Lucchino was a primary source behind the column and came to the realization that if this information were leaked hours before Epstein was going to agree to a new long-term deal, it signaled excessive bad faith between he and Lucchino.

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A next step for Epstein, 31, remains unknown, although he has told associates that he may leave baseball and look for another line of work. The Dodgers, Phillies and Rays currently have GM vacancies but it is believed that Epstein is likely to take a year off from baseball before considering a return.

Besides dealing with the likely public relations fallout from Epstein’s departure, the Red Sox will also have to replace him as well.

Veteran general managers Pat Gillick and Gerry Hunsicker have been interviewing for some of the current openings and will likely be at least considered for this one. Current San Diego general manager Kevin Towers recently interviewed for the vacant Arizona Diamondbacks GM vacancy, which has since been filled by Epstein’s former assistant, Josh Byrnes, late last week. Towers worked for Lucchino and with Epstein in San Diego before Lucchino became part of the ownership group of the Red Sox.

San Francisco general manager Brian Sabean, a graduate of Concord (N.H.) High School, has also been mentioned as a possibility.

Internally, the Red Sox will likely take a look at some of Epstein’s top assistants, including Peter Woodfork, director of baseball operations; Jed Hoyer, assistant to the GM; and Ben Cherington, director of player development.

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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:30 PM

amfox1, on Oct 31 2005, 06:30 PM, said:

It's now up on the Herald's website.  It blames Lucky and states that Theo will probably sit out for a year.
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http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view...rticleid=109723

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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:31 PM

Theo's nothing but a greedy diva who's leaving Boston for a couple extra dollars. Let him walk!





See how ridiculous it sounds, now?
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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:31 PM

Boston Herald has it on their website...turned down 3 yr/$1.3 mill/yr job. Leaving because of "intra organizational politics".... and get this, &$%#$ SHAUGHNESSY helped oust Theo...

QUOTE:
"A leading contributing factor, according to sources close to the situation, was a column in Sunday’s Boston Globe in which too much inside information about the relationship between Epstein and his mentor, team president and CEO Larry Lucchino, was revealed -- in a manner slanted too much in Lucchino’s favor."

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