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#101 DJnVa


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Posted 22 February 2007 - 03:00 PM

I disagree. Why do we have the best shot? If he pitches well, he will be in position to get a multi-year deal. It's hard to imagine the Red Sox doing that.


I don't think he's said he wants a multi-year deal. Doesn't mean he's ruled it out, but whatever.

Also, he's said over and over his family is very important in the decision making here. I would have to believe that, after the season, should the Sox want him, and if their offer is similiar to other offers, that he would be back here.

Mike--you're are being WAY too definitive about a situation where you are as knowledgeable as everyone else here.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 03:00 PM

I don't think he wants a multi-year deal.


...until he has one in front of his face. Seriously though, I'm not sure if Schilling himself has addressed the topic, but there have been reports that he wants to pitch in 2008, and "possibly beyond".

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 03:06 PM

I disagree. Why do we have the best shot? If he pitches well, he will be in position to get a multi-year deal. It's hard to imagine the Red Sox doing that.

Well, few teams could outspend the Sox if they decide they want him back. That combined with the fact that Curt likes pitching in Boston, likes the passion of the fanbase here and the attention that comes with being a Red Sox. As others have said, this is and will continue to be a winning environment which will only benefit his HOF credentials. Also there are practical matters, he has a house here and it's a pain in the ass to uproot your family again and put your kids in new schools.
None of these factors guarantee the Sox resigning Curt, but they do give us a definite advantage over other teams should the Sox decide they want to resign him. As far as a multiyear deal...Curt has hinted that he will pitch beyond 2008, but who knows. I would agree with you that the Sox, who have some good young starting pitching waiting in the wings, would be unlikely to sign him to a multiyear deal.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 03:14 PM

...until he has one in front of his face. Seriously though, I'm not sure if Schilling himself has addressed the topic, but there have been reports that he wants to pitch in 2008, and "possibly beyond".

Reports? What do you want the next report to say? Media reports are about as reliable as you neighbor. Why don't you do a little digging around here and read what he posted on the board. This is a good place. Numerous people were speculating about a 2 year deal for some reason. If you read the transcript you'll see that only 2008 was ever mentioned.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 03:22 PM

Reports? What do you want the next report to say? Media reports are about as reliable as you neighbor. Why don't you do a little digging around here and read what he posted on the board. This is a good place. Numerous people were speculating about a 2 year deal for some reason. If you read the transcript you'll see that only 2008 was ever mentioned.



‘‘We’re going to play through this season and 2008 and beyond.’’ Yes, and beyond.

http://www.patriotle...ts/sports02.txt

* What about pitching beyond 2008?:
"We'll see what happens. Again, this is not going to be a topic that I want to go back and forth and discuss and have it be a distraction either for myself or for my teammates and my family or the organization. So, I don't have any plans to retire anytime soon."

http://64.233.167.10...a...;cd=1&gl=us

"The thing that scared me most about this was the fact that maybe I'm just not as fun to be around at home as I thought I was,” Schilling joked. “But it was all on them. If they had even hinted at being uncomfortable with me playing beyond 2007, I wouldn't. I would have walked away thankful to the Lord and everything for the opportunities I had been given and the experiences I've had, but they want to stay in the life and they want to continue to have this as part of our life so we're going to play through this season and we're going to play again in 2008 and beyond.”

http://64.233.167.10...a...;cd=1&gl=us

Edited by Mike in CT, 22 February 2007 - 03:25 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2007 - 03:39 PM

He said repeatedly that it was for 2008 only. He said that maybe, he might consider pitching beyond that. I do stand corrected that it was just general media reports though. Go to pages three and six in the original thread that I linked and read what the guy said for himself. Sorry for relying on the words he typed himself.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 04:03 PM

He said repeatedly that it was for 2008 only. He said that maybe, he might consider pitching beyond that. I do stand corrected that it was just general media reports though. Go to pages three and six in the original thread that I linked and read what the guy said for himself. Sorry for relying on the words he typed himself.


I did read the thread, and here is what he said about beyond 2008...

I'm sticking to '08 for now. Easiest way to handle this for them and for myself.


That doesn't reveal anything to me about "beyond 2008". Let's face it... asking for a 1 year extension was the only realistic possibility. Asking for anything beyond that is a non-starter.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 04:12 PM

It also says nothing about him cutting off the Red Sox if they don't sign him now. The *only* person being definitive about that is you.

Now, this is spiraling out of control. We get it, you think he's gone. No one else has said that, but that's your opinion. You won't find anything said by anyone backing it up, but you got it out there.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 06:22 PM

No player is "owed" anything by any team...ever. No team is "owed" any special consideration by any player, ever.

Schilling is a professional. He'll play his heart out this year whether or not he's under a contract extension. He'll take the best offer for him at the end of the year.

It's been said earlier. Schilling (or Rivera) are willing to give their current teams a window of exclusivity and a theoretical cost break if their team is willing to sign now instead of test driving for another year. By saying no, the Sox (and Yankees) are just indicating that they're willing to take the open market gamble on a big price uplift and base their decision on what the team looks like in October 2007, not March. Schilling (and Rivera) are emphasizing that theie teams lose exclusivity after the season starts...no home town advantage anymore.

What if the Sox rotation looks to be a strong Beckett - Matsuzaka - Papelbon - Lester - Bucholtz/Wakefield at the end of the year? What if spare money can go towards replacing Manny in the outfield with, say, Andruw Jones, and picking up a light-out closer in the process? Too many variables to lock down a decision at this point in the season - a decision that no one needs to make in March 2007.

I hope Schilling ends up on the Sox for a couple more years, because if he does it will be due to him having very good value at the end of this year. Better value than he has now.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 06:45 PM

No player is "owed" anything by any team...ever. No team is "owed" any special consideration by any player, ever.

Bingo. Frankly the way Curt handled this out of the gate, trumpeting his desire for a new deal to the media first, comes across as an ultimatum. No good businessman responds to ultimatums.

It irks the hell out of me when someone says a player "deserves" a contract, regardless of salary and other considerations (age, recent track record). It staggers my mind when someone says it about a guy making $13 million.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 07:16 PM

Bingo. Frankly the way Curt handled this out of the gate, trumpeting his desire for a new deal to the media first, comes across as an ultimatum. No good businessman responds to ultimatums.

It irks the hell out of me when someone says a player "deserves" a contract, regardless of salary and other considerations (age, recent track record). It staggers my mind when someone says it about a guy making $13 million.


To his credit, he has handled Theo's decision with understanding and class, at least from what I've seen in today's interviews.
Paraphrasing: "I completely understand, it's a business decision...of course I'm disappointed, I'm human...it won't affect my performance either way...".

It's early, but it doesn't seem like there's any bad blood either way, which is good to see. I doubt we'll be hearing the "respect" bomb dropped during the course of the year.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 07:47 PM

I think the Sox refusing to give Schilling an extension is due to his apparent weight gain in the off season. They would probably rather pay 18-20 million in 2008 if he has a good 2007 than pay 13 million for a guy who was injured in 2007 or performed poorly due to weight related injuries (ankle, knee, back, etc) and may or may not be motivated to get himself in shape during the 2007 off season. I guess if the Yankees can refuse to extend Mo and decline Mussinas option and still resign him then Curt should not feel too bad about not getting an extension. Sometimes it is the guys who push for extensions that you worry about most because they know their body better than anyone, and extensions from a players viewpoint are just insurance against injuries that devalue the player below what the extension is worth.

That being said, if Curt was a FA after the 2004 season, do you think he would have risked his career to pitch in game 6?. For that alone I thought he would have got the extension.

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 11:35 PM

I'm just saying, but I mean remember this board (well, some of this board) being up in arms about the Sox and Pedro not coming to an agreement. And it was said wait, see how this thing plays out. And well, eh...a little injury issue and out to July. All and all, not bad so far.

I mean, what's the real harm in seeing how a 40 year old guy throws in August/September before he gets another 13 million dollar deal. Is the thought in the back of anybody's mind that a guy like Zambrano's a free agent after the year, and maybe Theo would like to spend Schilling's money there instead of on Big Schill. (If Zambrano becomes free, but just making a statement). Or they want to get the younger kids into the game.

Believe me, I'd love to see the guy back but if it's not meant to be, it's not meant to be. I doubt it'll be a distraction to anybody but guys like us, something to debate over. If he stays, he stays. If he goes, he goes. However what's done is done. I don't think it's a bad move for baseball, maybe just a bad PR move. If it's even that.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 05:52 AM

I would be shocked if he went to the Yankees (considering how miserable Johnny Damon feels about playing in New York and not in Boston), but I could see Curt pitch for the Mets or the Phillies next year. Still, if he has a fine year, I am sure the Sox will re-up and all of this will be water under the bridge.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 06:14 AM

I would be shocked if he went to the Yankees (considering how miserable Johnny Damon feels about playing in New York and not in Boston), but I could see Curt pitch for the Mets or the Phillies next year. Still, if he has a fine year, I am sure the Sox will re-up and all of this will be water under the bridge.


I don't think the Pedro situation should be undestimated. Maybe it's muchado about nothing, but I can't see Schilling play for the same team Pedro plays for. Especially if money is not an issue. of course, Petey might have already faced his last MLB hitter for all we know. Sigh. I really wish he didn't go public with this.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 06:19 AM

I don't think the Pedro situation should be undestimated. Maybe it's muchado about nothing, but I can't see Schilling play for the same team Pedro plays for. Especially if money is not an issue. of course, Petey might have already faced his last MLB hitter for all we know. Sigh. I really wish he didn't go public with this.


Jeff Wilpon and Omar would die to have Schilling pitching at Shea for the Mets.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 06:24 AM

Bingo. Frankly the way Curt handled this out of the gate, trumpeting his desire for a new deal to the media first, comes across as an ultimatum. No good businessman responds to ultimatums.

It irks the hell out of me when someone says a player "deserves" a contract, regardless of salary and other considerations (age, recent track record). It staggers my mind when someone says it about a guy making $13 million.

Announcing all of this in the media is what irks me the most. If Schilling really didn't want this to be a distraction he would have gone to the ownership behind closed doors away from prying eyes and open mikes. Schilling knew the kind of uproar he would cause when he went to the media to announce his decision and I think he was hoping/expecting to force ownership's hand into giving him one more year hoping to get more a frenzy going by Red Sox Nation. He knows every start he makes that the storyline is going to be about where he might pitch next year and regardless of what he says knows it is going to be a distraction here in Boston.

Personally, given what pitchers are making and the ridiculous contracts that are being handed out to number 4 guys I think the Sox should have signed him. But I can certainly understand why they didn't, especially if he came to camp out of shape.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 06:38 AM

Announcing all of this in the media is what irks me the most. If Schilling really didn't want this to be a distraction he would have gone to the ownership behind closed doors away from prying eyes and open mikes. Schilling knew the kind of uproar he would cause when he went to the media to announce his decision and I think he was hoping/expecting to force ownership's hand into giving him one more year hoping to get more a frenzy going by Red Sox Nation. He knows every start he makes that the storyline is going to be about where he might pitch next year and regardless of what he says knows it is going to be a distraction here in Boston.

Personally, given what pitchers are making and the ridiculous contracts that are being handed out to number 4 guys I think the Sox should have signed him. But I can certainly understand why they didn't, especially if he came to camp out of shape.


Gehrig38' post='613557' date='Jan 29 2007, 10:47 AM']I wouldn't be asking for a raise to play in '08, everyone involved knows that. The Sox knew well before anyone other than my family that this decision had been made.


In other words, the Red Sox knew Curt's decision prior to his appearance on WEEI. There's no reason to be irked. We'll just have to wait and see if this becomes a distraction.

Edited by BoSoxLady, 23 February 2007 - 07:21 AM.


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Posted 23 February 2007 - 07:37 AM

Whether they knew it or not, there was no reason for him to go public with it.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 08:18 AM

Gammons had a few words on this on ESPN Radio this morning. He said that the fact that Schilling earned a "2 minute meeting" with Theo shows how "concerned" the Sox are about this. He said (and I caught bits and pieces here) that the Sox seem to be completely comfortable with a 2008 rotation that is headed by Matsuzaka/Beckett with Papelbon and Lester behind them.

Said the Sox feel Lester will be back by July and will be "outstanding" and that they are even more excited by Matsuzaka now that they've seen him work out.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 09:04 AM

Whether they knew it or not, there was no reason for him to go public with it.


This is a business people. Discussing a possible extension of sorts in the media to gain some leverage in the negotiations is G38's right, and he would be stupid not to. It's not like he's leaking private information regarding a trade that could hurt the Sox ability to get the deal done. I suspect G38's desire for leverage is three fold.

1) $
2) Desire to play in this environment
3) Desire to not uproot his family again.

It's also the right thing to do from a PR perspective. We have seen what happens when contract extension negotiations are done behind closed doors. If and when the extension does not get offered it becomes a he said she said scenario where both sides point the finger at the other and say it was their fault. More often than not the FO is given the benefit of the doubt in this town. Curt put his desire to play here in '08 on the table and forced the FO to disclose their position publicly. We all know the situation now and no one can play the blame game come the off season.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 09:09 AM

Whether they knew it or not, there was no reason for him to go public with it.


Maybe, but that's Curt, and that's always the way he's been since he got here.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 09:13 AM

This is much ado about, well not nothing, but not that much. Schilling's original stated position was that 2007 would be his last year. Okay, he changed his mind, but if he changes his mind and goes elsewhere, we are no poorer than under the original deal.

What's the upsdie of resiging him now unless you can do it really, really cheap? It's just not that much. You let him pitch and if you need to pay him to keep him around next year, go ahead... or not. Locking up 41 year old pitchers is just not that high a priority for me.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 10:28 AM

Whether they knew it or not, there was no reason for him to go public with it.

That's pretty much my point. He is a shrewd negotiator and hoped by going public he would force the FO's hand. I don't blame him for that, but I don't have to like it.

This is much ado about, well not nothing, but not that much. Schilling's original stated position was that 2007 would be his last year. Okay, he changed his mind, but if he changes his mind and goes elsewhere, we are no poorer than under the original deal.

What's the upsdie of resiging him now unless you can do it really, really cheap? It's just not that much. You let him pitch and if you need to pay him to keep him around next year, go ahead... or not. Locking up 41 year old pitchers is just not that high a priority for me.

I agree with Hesketh on this part as well. There is more risk to resigning him at this point than waiting until October or November and giving him an additional 5 MM.

The Sox are not the Kansas City Royals where 5 million is a big jump in salary for them.

Schilling has more to lose right now than the Sox do. If his ankle can't hold up or if he gets a back or knee injury then he might be out 13 Million. If he stays healthy and has a 20 win season then the Sox are only out the additional 5 or 6 MM for a health Schill than out 13MM for an injured one. Not a bad move IMO.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 10:38 AM

That's pretty much my point. He is a shrewd negotiator and hoped by going public he would force the FO's hand. I don't blame him for that, but I don't have to like it.

He said he went public with it because it was going to leak soon. This way he could control how it got out. How would going public with it force their hand? It hasn't seemed to in the past.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 10:51 AM

Still, if Schilling is guilty of anything this spring, it is that he asked the Sox for a contract extension and then showed up for camp in relatively poor shape. That is not a criticism as much as it is a fact. Some members of the Red Sox organization were disappointed at the pitcher’s condition when he arrived in Florida, though it should be stressed that Schilling has never exactly looked like Benjamin Watson.

“It’s safe to say he’s in good position to (be ready to) start the season,” Sox general manager Theo Epstein said, when asked of Schilling’s physical state.

Translation: He’s got plenty of time to get into shape.

Next fall, Carlos Zambrano, Mark Buehrle, John Smoltz, Bartolo Colon, Jason Jennings, Freddy Garcia and even Tom Glavine are among the potential free agents.

Know what that all means? It means the Red Sox can wait. It means that if Schilling still wants to pitch here and the price has gone up to, say, $17 million a year, the Sox can pay it without buyer’s remorse. It also means that the Sox will have other options available if and when Schilling decides to go elsewhere.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 11:03 AM

(considering how miserable Johnny Damon feels about playing in New York and not in Boston)


this based off anything other than a blind assumption?

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 11:05 AM

Schill talks a great game - now we will find out if he walks it. There are reports (I'm not in FL so I dont know for sure and am relying on others) already that Schill has turned a bit pissy about the situation. Apparently he was visible upset while talking to the media yesterday and later in the afternoon JWH tried to grab him for a conversation but Schill being the mature adult that he is tried to ignore him and walk at a faster pace. JWH picked up his pace and caught him but the conversation was didnt last long as schill appeared to break it off.

The ball is clearly in his court. Time to put up G38. Pitch like a super star in 2007 and get paid like a super star in 2008. Simple as that.
Do us proud G38

(p.s. showing up to camp 20+ pounds overweight and then asking for an extension is very odd...I dont get Schill's thinking on this one?)

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 11:15 AM

Schilling has a right to do anything he wants, but going public IS a PR move, IS meant to put pressure on the Sox, and WAS rightly refused by management. In these types of situations I don't believe anything anyone says, player or management, and I simply assume that a deal will get done if both parties see one as being in their interest.

I'd be surprised if this negatively affects Schilling's performance on the field. Just the opposite. And both the Sox and he will benefit from his righteous anger. Unless he's a complete horse's ass, which I don't think he is, and sulks. He's been a great pitcher and I look forward to seeing him on the mound again this year.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 12:14 PM

The only contract to give him would be one based on incentives.
Ironically, Schilling has to come around and pitch well this year so he can command good loot for next year.
Schilling must have seen this coming. Theo may come to your house for Thanksgiving to sign you but don't think there is any sentiment in this group - there is none. Absent injuries, Schilling will pitch well and by the end of the year his value will be more than the Sox want to pay.
As for Damon, when has he said he would prefer to be in Boston ? Blind rumours without a source ?

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 12:31 PM

Schill talks a great game - now we will find out if he walks it.

Curt has nothing to prove...

Both sides understand this is business so Theo won't commit unnecessarily early to an aging ...SUPERMAN...[at least for me Superhombre]...forever...and He is looking to maneuver a stance for the upcoming market...

There is nothing happening...nothing but media froth...of course the sharp knives are out of the drawer and slice and dice in progress...oooh he is a fat bastard...oooh...

He knows that if he doesn't stay AHEAD of his conditioning ,the rate of decline rapidly accelerates and maybe beyond recovery...

I have one complaint about Herr Schilling...He is incapable of reversing the aging process...He talks and walks very very tall...

Edited by redsoxstiff, 23 February 2007 - 12:31 PM.


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Posted 23 February 2007 - 12:53 PM

If I were looking to be in an optimum position to obtain the most favorable financing terms available for as significant a venture as Green Monster Games, I probably would try to get under contract for 2008 as early as possible, too.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 01:09 PM

I'm sure the F.O. very carefully weighed the pros and cons of a publicly disgruntled, talkative G38 vs. a publicly relaxed, talkative G38, and decided that not having a contract would be more of an incentive for him to get in shape and stay in shape and pitch as if his future is on the line--which it will be, up to and into (deep into, we hope) the playoffs. Clearly, money not guaranteed now can be made available in the future. Having said that, I was surprised to learn that an extension was not offered. I thought it would be.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 02:02 PM

As for Damon, when has he said he would prefer to be in Boston ? Blind rumours without a source ?


Not to take this thread off-topic, but I'm interested in this too, jack. By all accounts, Johnny was perfectly happy with his haircut and Giambi-esque gold chains in NY last year. And frankly, a crummy September notwithstanding (they really should have rested him), he was very good for them. I just don't see the corollary here with Schilling — both guys thrive on the big stage, wherever and whichever it is.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 03:50 PM

Can you guys imagine if we were actually pissed at each other? This could get ugly fast? Now we'll just have to let hacks and idiots like CHB stir up something that does not exist.

John Henry and I had a very comfortable discussion walking across the field yesterday. I have nothing but the utmost respect for him, and think he feels the same way about me.

Theo and I had a very comfortable discussion the last two days as well.

The Red Sox knew I was doing the morning radio show on WEEI and contrary to what Hemingway wrote in the Globe it's not a 'paid appearance' and never has been. THe money raised on EEI is for ALS and always has been.

The Red Sox knew, and we spoke at length prior to, this going public in January. We both knew that someone in the media had found out from someone other than Theo or I about the discussions and that person was going to write about it, with what would have been incorrect facts. No one was blindsided and no one really cared about the perception of it going public other than to want the facts to get reported.

I know CHB finds it hard to believe, which is understandable, but the 'gun to the head' approach was never a factor here, both sides knew this.

I'd love to tell you I look like Gabe Kapler with my shirt off, I don't. However I weigh 243 pounds right now, which is exactly 2 pounds under what I weighed in at at seasons end last year. The clothes make me look fat.......

Am I disappointed? Yep. Am I surprised? Nope. Is everyone but the parties involved making way too much out of this? Yep.

I've forever needed baseball a whole hell of a lot more than it needs me, I've always known that. I have also always known that it is a business, even when you don't want it to be.

Please trust me when I say, and have said, this will have zero bearing on my preperation or performance this season. I don't pitch for contracts, never have. My three best years were in the first year of new contracts. I pitch to win, just like most of the other guys in this game do.

One of the lines CHB failed to put into the article he wrote a few weeks back was me, on the phone, calling him an asshole. He knows as sure as he's reading this right now that I think he's a giant sphincter.

At some point soon he'll realize that the dislike for him here is not because he's the guy always taking the 'other side' while trying to illicit opinions and responses from readers, but rather he's disliked because he treats people like shit.

Writers like him, and there are others I can assure you, are the reason athletes come to despise members of the media. They aren't all like that but it's just hard to figure out who's who sometimes.

I'm a father of 4 incredible kids, the husband to a woman who turned her bout with cancer into a life saving organization, the boss of a man who drives an hour each day to work, both ways, in my company, that is dying from ALS, and the Lord has blessed me with the ability to spend 21 years playing professional baseball.

I guess what I am saying is that the sun came up today, life is good. If it's meant to be that I come back here then it will happen. If not then I sure as hell will relish in the fact that I got to be here and experience something I couldn't have dreamed up.

Now move along people, talk about something like my career OPS, or can Papi hit 60 this year? Don't let the media make you waste time on issues that just aren't issues to anyone but them.

They can hate the fact that I talk on EEI, or write in these forums, hell he's done it for 4 years, but it's still going to happen and at the end of the day he's still going to be the most misinformed guy in this group when it comes to the Sox and their fans.

Edited by Gehrig38, 23 February 2007 - 03:52 PM.


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Posted 23 February 2007 - 04:04 PM

Curt, since you are in the candid mood, will you be giving the Red Sox a chance to match any deal you are offered at the end of this season?

Moreover, would you take less than 2007 salary or are all bets off on that front?

Was your work-our routine different this year than in years past? (Athlete's training in AZ, karate, etc.?) Body-weight is not always the best way to assess conditioning, obviously. Some guys lose 5 lbs. and look like they lost 20, and others stay the same weight and have 10% more fat. But, the 2005 vs. 2006 vs. 2007 February photos don't look much different to me.

Last, so tell us how you really feel about Dan Shaughnessy :)

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 04:06 PM

One of the lines CHB failed to put into the article he wrote a few weeks back was me, on the phone, calling him an asshole. He knows as sure as he's reading this right now that I think he's a giant sphincter.

At some point soon he'll realize that the dislike for him here is not because he's the guy always taking the 'other side' while trying to illicit opinions and responses from readers, but rather he's disliked because he treats people like shit.

Writers like him, and there are others I can assure you, are the reason athletes come to despise members of the media. They aren't all like that but it's just hard to figure out who's who sometimes.

They can hate the fact that I talk on EEI, or write in these forums, hell he's done it for 4 years, but it's still going to happen and at the end of the day he's still going to be the most misinformed guy in this group when it comes to the Sox and their fans.


But isn't it his job to be "a giant sphincter"? I mean what else does the man have to write about in February that people are going to read? Making up these elaborate tells of intrigue about players and the front office is far more interesting then writing about Hansack throwing a solid bullpen session. I think CHB is a jerkoff but he is good at making people read his stuff.

People forget that being a baseball writer is a job. Some people play dirty in jobs to get ahead. CHB is very good at his job because he gets people to read his stuff. Sure his stuff is pure drivel but he gets paid to have people read, not to inform the public. The average person doesn't care about OPS or statistical analysis. Thats why guys like Ordway can cruxify players like Drew who on paper is a huge improvement over Nixon (even in health).

Fact is this interesting story, albeit apparently fictional. There is talking about this or talking about how Manny is selling a car in NJ.

#138 BoSox Rule

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 04:06 PM

I'd love to tell you I look like Gabe Kapler with my shirt off

Don't we all. :)

Good to know how it really is from someone who knows the entire situation. Thanks for clearing up a whole lot, good luck in 2007, and just get us another banner.

Oh, and I agree with Paul M. Tell us how you really feel about CHB :)

#139 William Robertson

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 04:12 PM

One of the lines CHB failed to put into the article he wrote a few weeks back was me, on the phone, calling him an asshole. He knows as sure as he's reading this right now that I think he's a giant sphincter.


Great post, I'm sure I speak for any number in saying thanks for the update. But the quote above pretty well works for me.

Best wishes for the season(s).

#140 Jethro Q. Walrustitty

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 04:19 PM

Curt, since you are in the candid mood, will you be giving the Red Sox a chance to match any deal you are offered at the end of this season?

Moreover, would you take less than 2007 salary or are all bets off on that front?

If he were inclined to do either of those things, why would he tell anyone about it now?

It's a business, after all.

#141 Smiling Joe Hesketh


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Posted 23 February 2007 - 04:45 PM

Curt, given the speculation both here and in the media about conditioning this spring, has anyone from the Sox front office spoken to you directly about their supposed concerns over your condition when you reported to camp?

#142 g0wave

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 04:52 PM

I'd love to tell you I look like Gabe Kapler with my shirt off, I don't. However I weigh 243 pounds right now, which is exactly 2 pounds under what I weighed in at at seasons end last year. The clothes make me look fat.......


Funny thing, G38, I have that exact same problem. My clothes make me look fat as well :) Wouldn't we all like to have the body of Mr. Kapler (our wives would probably like it too).

Thank you for being a class act, thank you for being a tremendous member of a team we all passionately root for and although I realize you don't pitch better in contract years (per your earlier comment), make em pay you $20 next year after you take home the Cy Young in 07 or even better, another ring.

For one, I certainly hope you remain in a Red Sox uniform as long as you want to.

#143 86spike


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Posted 23 February 2007 - 04:53 PM

OK - time to dump all this stupid extension talk.

Curt - let's change the subject.

Tell us what you think about Matsuzaka so far... and admit it... you're looking into this 'gyroball' too aren't you?

#144 Gehrig38


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Posted 23 February 2007 - 05:20 PM

OK - time to dump all this stupid extension talk.

Curt - let's change the subject.

Tell us what you think about Matsuzaka so far... and admit it... you're looking into this 'gyroball' too aren't you?



He's going to make us, and Sox Nation, feel real warm and fuzzy every 5th day.

#145 redsox1918

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 06:03 PM

I would love to know if there's been any serious discussion about a six man rotation, with the possibilities of Clemens or Jon Lester in that role?

I also hope there's a window of opportunity at the ASB to revisit what's been discussed here....

#146 Mike in CT



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Posted 23 February 2007 - 06:17 PM

Curt - can you share some thoughts on John Farrell?

#147 Archer1979


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Posted 23 February 2007 - 06:22 PM

There are really two factors from the perspective of the front office to consider.

The first factor is that they really are in no worse of a situation, personnel-wise, than where they were when the season ended in 2006 in that the post-2007 Red Sox roster was going to be without Schilling. In all actuality, their situation has somewhat improved in that Schilling's willingness to go another year provides them with an option that they didn't have otherwise.

The second factor is in the 2007 performance of Papelbon and Lester. Also, waiting in the wings is I am an Idiot. If these guys perform, you end up with a rotation where Wakefield is the only pitcher over 30.

The only downside is if hacks like CHB keep pounding their drum, they make Schilling's contract year a distraction.

Personally, I really hope that everyone performs well enough this year that this becomes a very difficult decision in the 2007 off-season.

#148 Lars The Wanderer

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 08:43 PM

He's going to make us, and Sox Nation, feel real warm and fuzzy every 5th day.


That comment is going to come as quite the surprise to Jeff Blair:

Boston Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling's bizarrely timed announcement yesterday that he was going to file for free agency at the end of the year. (Yes, seems that Three Dollar Schill is bent out of shape because of all the attention focused on Daisuke Matsuzaka. Maybe he could bring back the whole stigmata, bloody sock thing again. Or just muse about running for office in Massachusetts.)


I've sent Mr. Blair an email asking if he got this piece of info from you directly, from the clubhouse or did he pull it out of his ass. I doubt I get an answer.

#149 CaptainLaddie


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Posted 23 February 2007 - 09:03 PM

That comment is going to come as quite the surprise to Jeff Blair:
I've sent Mr. Blair an email asking if he got this piece of info from you directly, from the clubhouse or did he pull it out of his ass. I doubt I get an answer.

That just seems like it's just Blair being CHB to me.

#150 AlNipper49


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Posted 24 February 2007 - 04:30 PM

Thanks for the clarification Curt.

Most of the posts in this thread have been about how much of an epic douche Shaughnessy is. Since that is not news to anyone, let's close er up.

If any new news breaks... I'm sure Posted Image will let us know ASAP