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THE GAME game thread - 11/18/2006

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 07:06 PM

Every year, usually on the Saturday before Thanksgiving, there's an afternoon when the leaves go unraked, the kids stay indoors and everyone is glued to the television.

It's "The Game," Michigan versus Ohio State, played once every fall since November 30, 1918 - just three weeks after the end of World War I.

More often than not, The Game decides the winner of the Big Ten conference. The two teams have been so dominant that many people in the Midwest called their conference "The Big Two, Little Eight." Since we Midwesterners are apparently still lousy at math, this appellation continues today, despite the addition of Penn State giving the league eleven teams.

Michigan leads the series, 57-39-6, but that large margin is due to Michigan's dominance during the Fielding Yost years (1901-1923), during which the Wolverines won six national championships. The series has been fairly even over the last fifty years.

The series is most famous for the friendly, but intense, rivalry between Michigan coach Bo Schembechler and Ohio State coach Woody Hayes. Schembechler was once an assistant to Hayes at Ohio State. Schembechler coached at Michigan for 21 seasons from 1969-1989, was 194-48-5 overall and 11-9-1 against the Buckeyes. Hayes coached at Ohio State from 1951-1978, was 205-61-10 overall and 11-16-1 against Michigan.

Twice before, the schools have met on the last day of the season with perfect records. In 1970, Ohio State came out on top. And in 1973, the teams met in Ann Arbor, both 10-0, and played to a 10-10 tie. Back in those days, the Big Ten only allowed one team to participate in postseason bowl games. There was also a rule that in case of a tie, the team that had most recently represented the league in a bowl would not be eligible.

That second rule had recently been repealed. But people still expected Michigan to represent the Big Ten after the tie. The conference athletic directors met, and awarded the title to Ohio State by a 6-4 vote. To this day, Michigan fans hold nothing against Michigan State other than its athletic director's vote against Michigan in 1973.

That vote was the biggest heartbreak of my young childhood, not to be forgotten until I discovered girls years later. But anyway...

Michigan quarterback Dennis Franklin compiled a 30-2-1 record during his tenure for the Wolverines, from 1972-74. He never played in a bowl game and he never beat Ohio State. The post-season ban on second-place Big Ten teams was lifted in 1975, and Michigan has played in the postseason every year since - a stretch that will reach 32 seasons this year.

When the inevitable "win it for..." book comes out, expect to see Franklin's name prominent among the requests.

Coaches are judged at Michigan and Ohio State not by their overall record, or their national titles. They are judged by The Game, and only The Game. John Cooper was 111-43-4 at Ohio State from 1988-2000. He had three 11-win seasons, but was 2-10-1 against Michigan. There's no question that was the reason for his firing.

In 2001, Jim Tressel was hired, and in his first press conference, promised a win over Michigan the following year. He delivered. He is 4-1 against the Wolverines, and as far as the people in Columbus are concerned, he is almost the coach Woody Hayes was. Lloyd Carr is 6-5 against the Buckeyes, but despite starting out as successfully as Tressel did, frustrations over the last five years have led to significant grumbling about Carr's future.

Some quick notes about Michigan...

The Wolverines last had a losing season in 1967, two years before Schembechler took over.

The Wolverines have had 39 consecutive winning seasons in the Big Ten, also dating back to 1967.

Michigan is 211-34-4 at home over that stretch, and 135-44-4 on the road (only 14-19 in bowl games, though).

The Wolverines have outscored their opponents, 13540-6569, over the last 39 years.

Michigan has 860 wins since beginning collegiate play in 1879, by far the most of any school at any level - college, pro or high school.

In the interest of positive Wolverine I am unoriginal and unfunny. Please put me out of my misery, here's my ticket from the 1977 game, which was a 14-6 Michigan victory:

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"Go Blue, Beat Ohio"

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 07:55 PM

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 09:04 PM

Good idea, CS. Unfortunately, I'll be in Green Bay next weekend making a pilgrimage to Lambeau and won't be able to game thread along with you guys so I'll offer this:

I went to a wedding yesterday, and the bride and groom entered the reception to this song:

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It was friggin beautiful.

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 09:04 PM

Bucks fans.

The official typeface is as follows:

BIG GAME JIM

Size 14, Bold, font = impact, all caps.

Please use this any time you mention our esteemed coach in your halftime description of the blowout, the subsequent "where do Buckeye fans make their bookings for the National Championship games?" thread, the Buckeye National Championship game thread, the subsequent "which National Championship was better - 2002 or 2006?" thread and the "Tressel > Woody" thread that should surface around.....oh......February.

We thank you in advance for your adherence to this policy.

Yours in Buckeye,

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 09:31 AM

Sorry, lads, but THIS

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is/was THE GAME.

Accept no substitutes.
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Posted 13 November 2006 - 09:46 AM

Lose Remerswaal, on Nov 13 2006, 02:31 PM, said:

Sorry, lads, but THIS

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is/was THE GAME.

Accept no substitutes.
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Jigga Please.
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Posted 13 November 2006 - 09:52 AM

I grew up in the Boston area and didn't really know that Harvard/Yale game was such a big deal until recently. This is just not a college football crazed area.

I've always known that tOSU/UM was THE GAME.
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Posted 13 November 2006 - 02:46 PM

The thing I've always love about THE GAME is it didn't matter what had happened before, this was the game that defined the season. If Michigan was undefeated but lost to OSU, even if they went to the Rose Bowl, the season had a sour taste to it and there was little joy in Ann Arbor. If Michigan lost to ND or MSU or whomever earlier in the season, or even lost more than once (God forbid), the season was redeemed by a win over osu, and all the better when it was an upset.

There was no greater joy than beating Woody Hayes in the Big House, it just made for a great weekend, or what I remember of it.

100,000+ fans, yeah that's just like Harvard/Yale. Just don't leave after the 3rd quarter, Lose.

Sille, I think you could stop in Columbus on Saturday on your way to Lambeau. I know you are considering it, go for it.

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 04:57 PM

I think you know me a little too well, Janet. I was actually trying to do that and create the ultimate football weekend™ but just couldn't swing it timewise.

It figures, every other year THE GAME is at 12noon and if it wasn't at 3:30 this year I could have swung it. I want to be up and out very early with the Packer faithful tailgating that Sunday. Lambeau Field is probably the final frontier for me as far as stadiums I HAVE to see on this planet go.

Oh well, I guess there are worse places to watch the game other than the hallowed historic streets of Green Bay, Wisconsin. I need to find a good sports bar up there.
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Posted 13 November 2006 - 05:14 PM

Sille Skrub, on Nov 13 2006, 09:57 PM, said:

Oh well, I guess there are worse places to watch the game other than the hallowed historic streets of Green Bay, Wisconsin.  I need to find a good sports bar up there.
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Brother you HAVE to be kidding me.

A few points on Lambeau:

1) It's awesome. It's awesomeness times a billion.

2) There are more bars per square mile in Green Bay than......well.....pretty much everywhere I have ever been. Even in residential neighborhoods there are bars. It is like Carlos Cowart's England.

3) Tailgating starts - and I am not joking - at around 7:00 p.m. on Saturday. Folks hit the bars HARD on Saturday night and then, as they are wolfing down drunken pizza at 3:00 a.m. they say "OK then, see you at 6:00."

And the guy who could barely walk out the door at 3:00 a.m. shows up bright eyed and bushy tailed with more tailgate equipment than you have ever seen in your life, sharp at 6:00.

Seriously though, the buzz starts building throughout the day on Saturday. Friday night even. I have never seen anything like it.

4) You need to drink Lienenkugels beer (I spelt it wrong, but it is the shit) and eat cheddar brats. If you need to buy a fucking grill to get your tailgate on just do it. Tailgating at Lambeau at 6:30 in the morning with 10,000 other frozen morons is awesome.

5) If you can get to the Packers Hall of Fame you should do it. It is a great way to spend an hour or two.

6) Be VERY aware that - in their minds - Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are the 2nd and 3rd best QBs in football. Honestly. These people think Favre shits filet mignon. I was last up there 3-4 years ago and I spent an hour in the freezing cold drinking beer as 5 rational humans argued who was the best out of Montana, Marino and Favre...........and all 5 came to the conclusion that it was Favre. Pay homage and understand that they are not open to the thought of Aaron Rodgers starting "for the good of the team."
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Posted 13 November 2006 - 08:49 PM

Rick Burlesons Yam Bag, on Nov 13 2006, 04:14 PM, said:

Seriously though, the buzz starts building throughout the day on Saturday.  Friday night even.  I have never seen anything like it.

4) You need to drink Lienenkugels beer (I spelt it wrong, but it is the shit) and eat cheddar brats.  If you need to buy a fucking grill to get your tailgate on just do it.  Tailgating at Lambeau at 6:30 in the morning with 10,000 other frozen morons is awesome.
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Don't drink that Berry Weis, though. Too fruity..

I lived across the street from a 'Wisconsin style' bar from 2000-2003. I've drank my fair share of Leine's.

GB fans are the nicest fans around.

Cheese curds. Get some of those. And because this is 'the game' thread. Check out the sign. The Buckeye fan obviously had to revise it.

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Posted 13 November 2006 - 10:58 PM

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BIG GAME JIM!
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Posted 14 November 2006 - 10:54 AM

I hate to bring up the ESPN early analysis on the Michigan - Ohio St game, but that's what I watched during sportscenter last night. The question was, can Michigan contain Troy Smith? Especially since the previous 2 years, Michigan could not. I think most went on the say that Michigan still will have trouble with Smith.

The issue with Michigan is IF they don't get pressure on Smith from the DL (Woodley, Branch, Crable, Jamison, Briggs), do they have a dedicated shadow from one of the LBs? Also, even if Michigan puts initial pressure on Smith, he's really best at moving out of the pocket and exploiting the advantage of either running the ball for a good gain or finding that safety or corner cheating up to stop Troy's running ability, which then he will throw long to the best WRs in the nation, with USC and Michigan close behind.

What can Michigan do to prevent these big plays? I think rather than blitzing corners and safeties, you try to put an umbrella around Smith, forcing him to make throws from the pocket. Sure, easier said than done. But Alan Branch and Terrance Taylor are going to be key. They need to get some type of rush up the middle, staying in their lanes. That way you make it a little harder for Smith to get his 5'11" frame from getting the ball over his OL and Michigan's DL. Assuming Smith busts out of the pocket, hopefully David Harris can aggressively keep Troy from any big plays.
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Posted 14 November 2006 - 11:13 AM

This is what was posted to the Michigan students, if they choose to go to Cbus for the game.

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--Try carpooling to the game; if possible, drive a car with non- Michigan license plates.
--Keep your Michigan gear to a minimum, or wait until you are inside the stadium to display it.
--Stay with a group.
--Know and obey the laws regarding alcohol use.
--If you are of legal age to drink, use alcohol in moderation. Stay in the blue.
--Stay low-key; don't draw unnecessary attention to yourself.
--If verbally harassed by opposing fans, don't take the bait.
--Avoid High Street in Columbus


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Posted 14 November 2006 - 11:38 AM

Skrub demonstrating restraint at OSU.

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 12:03 PM

redinchicago, on Nov 14 2006, 03:54 PM, said:

I hate to bring up the ESPN early analysis on the Michigan - Ohio St game, but that's what I watched during sportscenter last night.  The question was, can Michigan contain Troy Smith?  Especially since the previous 2 years, Michigan could not.  I think most went on the say that Michigan still will have trouble with Smith.

The issue with Michigan is IF they don't get pressure on Smith from the DL (Woodley, Branch, Crable, Jamison, Briggs), do they have a dedicated shadow from one of the LBs?  Also, even if Michigan puts initial pressure on Smith, he's really best at moving out of the pocket and exploiting the advantage of either running the ball for a good gain or finding that safety or corner cheating up to stop Troy's running ability, which then he will throw long to the best WRs in the nation, with USC and Michigan close behind.

What can Michigan do to prevent these big plays?  I think rather than blitzing corners and safeties, you try to put an umbrella around Smith, forcing him to make throws from the pocket.  Sure, easier said than done.  But Alan Branch and Terrance Taylor are going to be key.  They need to get some type of rush up the middle, staying in their lanes.  That way you make it a little harder for Smith to get his 5'11" frame from getting the ball over his OL and Michigan's DL.  Assuming Smith busts out of the pocket, hopefully David Harris can aggressively keep Troy from any big plays.
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The only problem with the umbrella tactic is that it enables tOSU to use screens to unlock Pittman. If Pittman is given room to run then I think that Michigan will have a hard time stopping him. I don't think that Michigan has enough speed and brawn at LB right now. I could be wrong.

By the way, I think that the losing coach in this game will be gone in two years. History be damned, this will be the defining game.
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Posted 14 November 2006 - 12:23 PM

Rick Burlesons Yam Bag, on Nov 14 2006, 11:03 AM, said:

The only problem with the umbrella tactic is that it enables tOSU to use screens to unlock Pittman.  If Pittman is given room to run then I think that Michigan will have a hard time stopping him.  I don't think that Michigan has enough speed and brawn at LB right now.  I could be wrong.

By the way, I think that the losing coach in this game will be gone in two years.  History be damned, this will be the defining game.
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That's possible. David Harris and Prescott Burgess have good lateral quickness. Burgess is a pretty good coverage LB. Though he has been sort of lost in the shuffle lately. I think Michigan would gladly take some of the screen plays or release valve type of plays, rather than Troy Smith moving out of the pocket and either running or throwing.

I'm not sure how big it is for Tressel. I'd say he is pretty safe unless they start losing this game 3 out of the next 4. Carr is bound to retire soon. I'd expect Ron English to be a front runner to a HC job as soon as this winter. Though it will be a MAC school or something. I think if English is smart, he'd hold out a couple years. Assuming he can recruit. Though it's not very hard to recruit good players to go to Michigan.
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Posted 14 November 2006 - 12:34 PM

redinchicago, on Nov 14 2006, 05:23 PM, said:

That's possible.  David Harris and Prescott Burgess have good lateral quickness.  Burgess is a pretty good coverage LB.  Though he has been sort of lost in the shuffle lately.  I think Michigan would gladly take some of the screen plays or release valve type of plays, rather than Troy Smith moving out of the pocket and either running or throwing.


You may be right, I just think that a lot of the national media are missing how dangerous Pittman is. He has been excellent all year long for tOSU.


redinchicago, on Nov 14 2006, 05:23 PM, said:

I'm not sure how big it is for Tressel.  I'd say he is pretty safe unless they start losing this game 3 out of the next 4.  Carr is bound to retire soon.  I'd expect Ron English to be a front runner to a HC job as soon as this winter.  Though it will be a MAC school or something.  I think if English is smart, he'd hold out a couple years.  Assuming he can recruit.  Though it's not very hard to recruit good players to go to Michigan.
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I don't know about that. Tressel has been perfect in many ways, but I think that losing this game would put him one more kid in big trouble away from being asked to rethink his career options.
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Posted 14 November 2006 - 01:14 PM

Unfortunately I don't see the ESPN OSU/Michigan "Without Sports..." commercial from a couple of years ago anywhere on youtube. For a flashback it went like this. A couple are on a couch kissing. One says, "I love you". The other responds, "I love you, too". The camera pulls farther away to show the guy is wearing an Ohio State sweatshirt and the woman is wearing a Michigan sweatshirt. The caption at the end of the commercial says, "Without sports...this wouldn't be disgusting".

Edit: I see they're now re-airing it.

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 09:45 PM

Chemistry Schmemistry, on Nov 12 2006, 07:06 PM, said:

In the interest of positive Wolverine I am unoriginal and unfunny. Please put me out of my misery, here's my ticket from the 1977 game, which was a 14-6 Michigan victory:

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"Go Blue, Beat Ohio"

"Andiamo Azzurro"
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A game, a very big game, but if you're looking for a picture of a ticket to The Game, this is what it looks like:

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