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[berstch]

Just saw on SportsCenter that the New York Daily News is reporting that Joe Torre is out as manager of the Yankees and will be replaced by Lou Piniella.

Edited by 941827, 10 October 2006 - 12:13 PM.

[MikeGreenwell]

Just saw on SportsCenter that the New York Post is reporting that Joe Torre is out as manager of the Yankees and will be replaced by Lou Piniella.

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I'm not sure when nypost.com updates, but they have nothing other than today's wire stories up yet. nydailynews.com also has nothing yet.

newsday.com does already havesome of their stories up, including a "trade A-Rod" article, but nothing about a Torre firing.

[berstch]

Just saw the highlight again on SC... it is indeed the Daily News.

[SoxScout]

Anyone want to change their vote in the Francona poll yet?

[templeUsox]

Anyone want to change their vote in the Francona poll yet?

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No.

[Punchado]

If this is true, then get ready for a crazy offseason in the Bronx. All hell has just broken loose (and for the record I think this is a terrible move for the Chokers).

[Senorec]

2am espnnews opened saying that NY daily news reports Joe Torre COULD be out and Piniella in.

On the other hand, the ticker says...Sources tell NY Daily news that Torre out, Piniella in.

in the too soon to consider dept...would torre retire?

[LateRally]

Sportscenter did show the backpage of the NY Daily News and it had a picture of Torre with the headline "OUTTA HERE!"

Just saw that myself. I think the "outta here" part was in reference to the Yankees being eliminated. There was a smaller blurb farther down the page that said "Boss set to fire Torre." I'm not buying it until someone, even the Daily News themselves, can get definitive about this.

[otiose]

If this is true, then get ready for a crazy offseason in the Bronx.  All hell has just broken loose (and for the record I think this is a terrible move for the Chokers).

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Yup. Torre struck me as a mediocre in-game manager (he was outfoxed by Tito in '04, for one thing) but you have to say he's had a great track record in NY of protecting his players, handling the media, and keeping what has to be an unpleasant, fractious bunch focused. Bad move for them if true and a sign that SiaS is in full insane control. Can't wait to see what happens.

Edited by otiose, 08 October 2006 - 01:11 AM.

[someoneanywhere]

IF this comes to pass, I would agree with Punchado that all hell is breaking loose over there. Beyond the managerial change is the question of power and control: all those "concessions" that Cashman supposedly got when he agreed to return go right out the window. It would not surprise me if Cash were, as a result, also tempted to go.

And IF this comes to pass, it is the wrong move for them. Piniella may or may not be a better in-game manager; but the question is whether he can get those guys to tune him in for 162+ games. The real problem is not the manager; it's the mega-superstar roster with no leadership from within: no Broisius, no O'Neill -- none of the grinders who may be short on talent but are long for chemistry and the game. Piniella can't fix that.

BTW: what does this collapse -- and the collapse of six years' previous -- say about Captain Intangibles? If he is the guy who is supposed to be the leader, why does he get a free pass on this?

[FenwayWhalers]

I hate to say it but the Yanks need a "common guy" a player that can keep them in line- keep all their egos in check-they need a scrapper and a doer- sort of like a Kevin Millar... or a ilovepedromartinez like Nixon

[jacklamabe65]

Francesa is discussing this at 9:00 am on WFAN. Stay tuned.

[jacklamabe65]

This is just as bad for the Yankees, losing these last three to the Tigers this way, not even competing in the last two, as losing four in a row to the Red Sox two years ago. These Yankees have now become the biggest postseason flops in the history of the team, maybe any team. This year George Steinbrenner went for a payroll of $213 million and gave Brian Cashman and Joe Torre the run of the place. Here is what that kind of money and that kind of restraint bought Steinbrenner: the most expensive glass jaw of all time, a team that gets knocked out cold in the first round again.

It is why the owner, 76 years old now, desperate to win at least one more World Series, has a perfect right to try it with some new people next season, starting with a new manager. They can't only be Torre's Yankees when they win.

This is now three times in five years, with a payroll three times the size of most playoff teams, that Joe Torre can't make it to the second round. Tell me another manager, no matter how well-respected, no matter how classy, who survives that? Steinbrenner can go hire Lou Piniella tomorrow if he wants to.

Lupica in The News

http://www.nydailyne...6p-386774c.html

[BoSoxLady]

If Steingrabber hires Piniella, the Yankees will certainly take back the back page of the newspapers in NY, particularly in view of the Mets taking over the city. It's a no brainer. I'm praying that Big Stein pulls the trigger and hires Piniella. He knows zip about pitching, and is an unbelievable hot head. He'll be calling the team out to the NY media on a regular basis.

I was feeling pretty low this time last week as I got ready for the final game at Fenway. Now the spring in my step is back. This off-season is going to be fun for the Sox and Yanks.

[PaulinMyrBch]

The "source" info is actually in Bill Madden's column.

After winning four World Series titles in his first five seasons but failing to win the Fall Classic over the past six, Torre is expected to be fired, sources said, and his replacement is expected to be former Yankee Lou Piniella.

Unless other team officials can talk The Boss out of it, or unless Torre, 66, agrees to resign in order to save face, sources said principal owner George Steinbrenner will replace the manager who was credited with returning the team to its fabled glory. Yankees General Manager Brian Cashman is expected to keep his job, as are most members of the front office. Torre may be offered another position within the organization.

Apparently the Yanks don't think Lou will be available much longer. Get him now or else he's not available next year.

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The Daily News article, by Sam Borden

It doesn't say Torre will be fired. It only says he could be.

Bill Madden's Daily News article

Edited by sfip, 08 October 2006 - 08:11 AM.

[Worst Trade Evah]

Madden on WFAN now with Francesca repeating this claim.

This is the most embarrassing moment ever -- says at least they competed in 2004. Rogers was the real problem, but then yesterday terrible. Torre got no interference, got everything he wanted this year, and the team rolled over.

Going to make every effort to move ARod.

Changes this week. Lou in, Torre out. Lou won't try to save ARod.

Dunno about coaches.

Sweeping changes, trying to change make-up.

George beside himself -- has never been angrier.

Edited by Worst Trade Evah, 08 October 2006 - 08:16 AM.

[BoSoxLady]

Bill Madden of the Daily News is on WFAN now!

[Remagellan]

Bill Madden on the FAN now confirming the rumor, but his proof seems to be that "the Boss is really mad."

He's saying that there's a lot to work out since Torre's owed so much money, but the MFYs will have to move fast to get PinIella because the Nats, Giants, and Cubs are all hot for him.


The FAN has Francesa eating crow, and YES is re-running last night's postgame from 9:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. I'm on sensory overload!

[jacklamabe65]

Bill Madden is on with Francesa now. "The Boss is more upset than he has ever been as the owner of the Yankees. The franchise seemed to mail it in. It looks as if the team took losing too easily, too gracefully. (Francesa - I am sure George was not pleased with Johnny Damon laughing in the dugout!) From George's perspective, it was a sorry performance - 'humiliating' - much worse than Boston because they at least they battled to the end and lost to a team that was better than they were in '04. George let Joe and Brian run the team this year and he is not going to let it happen again. I think Joe was going to be in trouble if they made the World Series. This is going to happen quickly because other teams want Lou's services - and the Yankees know that. There is no way that Torre will be the manager of the New York Yankees next season. Lou is an adopted son to George. The team is going to make every effort possible to trade 8-rod. It will be a fasicnating off season in Yankeeland."

Edited by jacklamabe65, 08 October 2006 - 08:19 AM.

[5belongstoGeorge]

Madden on WFAN saying that SiaS is beside himself and was as mad as as he has ever been.



Madden also saying that Slappy is probably done in NY, even though Lou had a good relationship with him in the past.

I can only hope that they dump Slappy in an ill-advised deal that brings them more turmoil and torment.

[NJ Fan]

More Madden:

Lou is interviewing for other jobs. Yankees will have to move fast with him.

This team needs some fire, kick some butt and not take losing like they don't care.

Doesn't think Lou will "go to bat" to keep ARod. Thinks they will make every effort to move him.

Thinks there will be "sweeping changes" because you have to change the make-up.

George about as angry as he can ever remember him being.

(I thought Francessa's questions were perfect. No beating around the bush.)

[cheekydave]

Bill Madden is on with Francesa now.  "The Boss is more upset than he has ever been as the owner of the Yankees.  The franchise seemed to mail it in.  It looks as if the team took losing too easily, too gracefully.  He was not pleased with Johnny Damon laughing in the dugout, for instance.  From his perspective, it was a sorry performance - 'humiliating' - much worse than Boston because they at least they battled to the end and lost to a team that was better than they were in '04.  George let Joe and Brian run the team this year and he is not going to let it happen again.  I think Joe was going to be in trouble if they made the World Series.  This is going to happen quickly because other teams want Lou's services - and the Yankees know that.  There is no way that Torre will be the manager of the New York Yankees next season.  Lou is an adopted son to George.  He is actually closer to George than Joe has ever been.  The team is going to make every effort possible to trade Arod.  There will be a lot of movement this winter.

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great recap guys dont know how you do it
what are you a private shcool teacher?

Hey sean, BTW I knew the name was familiar, but just realized the Joey Banner of the Eagles was At Rivers when I was


I Hope fat mike stays on the yankees and doesnt do his " football" show
He is already using words like
"disgrace"

Ever since 2004 Mike lost his arrogance, and there is nothing as shocking and scary as when skankees fans turn their usual arrogance and nastiness from against US to against their OWN TEAM

From a casual scan on NYYFANS it seeks a majority of them do NOT want LOU P as they think he burns out pitching staffs. SOME say yes time for JOE to go, but MOST are not on board with signing LOU.

But then again these are the same nimrods who swore up and down last year they HATED Damon, and would NEVER EVER warm to him.

[smastroyin]

Nothing would make me happier than the Yankees making a stupid ARod deal because Steinbrenner is pissed...as long as he doesn't end up in Toronto.

[Greg Blosser]

Big Mike is in a state of disbelief - this is wonderful radio.

One thing that Madden said was that since Lou P. won 118 games the year afte ARod left Seattle, Lou probably won't fight to keep him if he takes the job.

Edited by Greg Blosser, 08 October 2006 - 08:30 AM.

[Remagellan]

It's amazing how quickly the media turns things around. When the MFYs were winning, the pages were full of praise for the calm, unflappable, professional manner in which they went about the business of winning championships. Now that same calm and professional manner is indicative of a lack of the competitive fire necessary to win big games.

Once again, winning makes every vice a virtue, losing makes every virtue a vice.

[jacklamabe65]

Zup thinks that if Tito continues with his health issues, ol' Joe just might take over as the next manager of the Red Sox.

After listening to him as a broadcaster with the Angels, I would love to have Joe replace Trupe instead. He's good.

[BoSoxLady]

A-Rod is such a choker, that I hope he stays in NY. He's brought them nothing but bad karma.

[Remagellan]

Seriously, why would the Marlins trade Cabrera for A-Rod?

"This team has taken on a nature that when it takes a whack IT FALLS DOWN!"

[redsox1918]

A-Rod is such a choker, that I hope he stays in NY. He's brought them nothing but bad karma.

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Cheri,...I hope they name PinIella as their new manager and he tries to run the team with an iron fist,...(Not to mention Lou's managing of a pitching staff),...that's bad karma and then some....

[NJ Fan]

Wow, Francessa tipped his cap to Jeter, Posada and Rivera and just dismissed Mussina ("can't hold a lead"), Pavano ("go hang out in Tampa"), Wright ("throws 100 pitches in 5 innings"), Sheffield ("go somewhere else"). (I think I missed a few others.) Then sums it up:

Bullies in the regular season, pansies in the postseason.

Edited by NJ Fan, 08 October 2006 - 08:47 AM.

[ReggieSmith]

The FAN is a great place to be this morning.

"They're regular season bullies and post season pansies" - Francesa on MFYs

Still don't know why captain intangibles gets a free pass because Francesa has ripped everyone from Torre to Shef to Arod to Cash.

Anyone who has heard a yankee game radio broadcast can imagine this one:

ballgame over....yankees lose....thaaaaaaaaaaaah yankees lose

Edited by ReggieSmith, 08 October 2006 - 09:09 AM.

[RedOctober3829]

Mike went onto say that there needs to be some new blood on the team. He basically praised all the old MFYers like Tino, Brosius, Leyritz, Bernie, Jeter, and Mo. But, he just rips A-Rod Sheffield(who is 8-45 since '04), Giambi, Mussina, Pavano, and the rest of the bullpen. This is music to my ears.

[redsox1918]

I certainly hope some of RSN were able to watch the post game on the YES network last night. Kay's frown,... and his rant about King George having the right to make changes was a classic. You talk about joy for RSN!!

[Remagellan]

I certainly hope some of RSN were able to watch the post game on the YES network last night. Kay's frown,... and his rant about King George having the right to make changes was a classic. You talk about joy for RSN!!

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FYI for those who missed it last night, YES will be repeating their postgame coverage until noon today.

[Montana Fan]

Nothing would make me happier than the Yankees making a stupid ARod deal because Steinbrenner is pissed...as long as he doesn't end up in Toronto.

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A-Rod is such a choker, that I hope he stays in NY. He's brought them nothing but bad karma.

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Manny for ARod. ARod moves back to SS & leads the Sox past the Yanks and on to the WS further infuriating MFY fans.

[BigMike]

Manny for ARod. ARod moves back to SS & leads the Sox past the Yanks and on to the WS further infuriating MFY fans.

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Yanks aren't going to make that move.

Sadly, I bet they make a really good trade for ARod, something that pisses us all off when we find out how much they get. As much as ARod has struggled in NY, he is still a face of a franchise type of guy, and a guy who will be a good puppy and do all the promotional stuff Management likes, etc.

[DLew On Roids]

It's amazing how quickly the media turns things around.  When the MFYs were winning, the pages were full of praise for the calm, unflappable, professional manner in which they went about the business of winning championships.  Now that same calm and professional manner is indicative of a lack of the competitive fire necessary to win big games.

Once again, winning makes every vice a virtue, losing makes every virtue a vice.

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The term for this is fundamental attribution error. And you're absolutely right, the NY media is full of them (so is Boston, fwiw, and it's almost as common everywhere else in life).

[someoneanywhere]

You guys with FAN audio -- thanks for the updates/summaries. It means a lot to us without, trust me. (I hate to say it, but CHB pretty much nailed my feelings this morning.)

I was thinking about the Torre/Francona angle this morning. I just don't see how the Sox could pull that one off -- on two levels. From the operational level, I don't think Joe is Theo's kind of manager. Honestly. From a PR perspective, the only way to do it would be short, sharp, and violent: a massacre of sorts, with Tito being thrown under the bus immediately and without excuses or apologies. I don't see that happening either.

Frankly, I would think a deal for A-Rod more probable. And I don't think that very probable, either.

I wonder, too, whether this whole episode will kickstart another discussion about "winners." I know a lot of people dismiss that out of hand -- but most of them, I'd be willing to wager, have never played competitive sports at a high level. To go after Joe Sheehan a little bit, "makeup" does matter, just like "clutch" matters. There are a ton of guys with superior talent who never "win" -- and that is not merely a product of bad luck, timing, or circumstance. Mussina always struck me as the type, even before he hit New York.

Whether it is agreed that such a thing exists, or whether not, you can bet SiaS believes it. And he will act accordingly, brother.

Edited by someoneanywhere, 08 October 2006 - 09:32 AM.

[ReggieSmith]

You guys with FAN audio -- thanks for the updates/summaries. It means a lot to us without, trust me. (I hate to say it, but CHB pretty much nailed my feelings this morning.)

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Here's a link so you can enjoy it yourself!

WFAN

[Robinson Checo]

Do you guys really think A-Rod would waive his NTC? I do not think so. If he agrees to be dealt he is admitting that he can't cut in NY, and there is no way he would do that. It might be the best thing for the MFY to deal him for some pitching, but I don't see him wanting to leave.

Add to that...if you were another GM wouldnt you hold the MFY hostage and break balls over a trade for A-Rod? You know they want to deal him, so why give up a huge package? Maybe 1 MLB player and one of your best prospects and that is it.

IF A-Rod agrees to waive his NTC, I would guess it would only be to a large market team. That also give more ammo to other GMs.

Finally, who says Pinellia even wants to coach the MFY? The Giants, Rangers and Cubs are all interested in him. Maybe he wants to avoid the circus this time around? My guess is Girardi takes the job if he does not take the Cubs job.

[Bowlerman9]

Finally, who says Pinellia even wants to coach the MFY? The Giants, Rangers and Cubs are all interested in him. Maybe he wants to avoid the circus this time around? My guess is Girardi takes the job if he does not take the Cubs job.

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$$$$$$$$$$

The Yankees will offer twice as much as any of those other teams, hands down.

$$$$$$$$$$

[jacklamabe65]

I would see Arod waive his NTC to only one of three big market teams: the White Sox, the Red Sox, and the Angels. Given his recent interview in The New York Times, it is clear that he would never go back to the hitherlands again.

[BigMike]

I would see Arod waive his NTC to only one of three big market teams: the White Sox, the Red Sox, and the Angels.  Given his recent interview in The New York Times, it is clear that he would never go back to the hitherlands again.

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The Cubs are the Hitherlands? The Dodgers?

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

After what he went through this season with the media, the fans and his teammates, it would be surprising to see ARod invoke his NTC if the Yanks have a deal with a contender. He has to be as sick of New York as it is of him.

The obvious destination appears to be LAA given their needs, the talent they can offer in return, their payroll capacity and the ARod friendly SoCal environment.

From the Sox perspective, an ARod trade will hurt because it likely takes a Manny suitor out of the market. As much fun as it is watching the circus, the Yanks will likely come out of this a stronger team.