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[Toup]

Those Hobos must be getting worried now...

Edit: Just an RBI single for Kapler...the Hobos live...

Edited by Toup, 10 September 2006 - 04:14 PM.

[Barbara]

Brandon Arroyo with another gem today, even if it was against the Pirates. I thought the NL had him figured out.
8 IP, 0 R, 7 K, 0 BB

At least Wily Mo has been a stud today.

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My latest theory (and what do I know) is that young(ish) pitchers who start in the AL and go to the NL are going to do great (Arroyo, Meredith and Sanchez). Youngish pitchers who come to the AL are going to struggle (Beckett). I think the old guys can handle the transition better - Schilling, R Johnson, Wells.

So the lesson for us is to just get old guys from the NL and home grow our youngens'.

< waiting for the 25+ examples to prove me wrong!

[MonstahsInLeft]

What the!?!

Kapler up with the bases loaded again?!?!?

Is this some kind of bizzaro Groundhog Day or what?

Pre-edit: Had it all along!!!

[ilya678]

I'll doa quick one rudy saenez

[ilya678]

Well that was pretty

[Pandemonium67]

There is a certain ammount of pride knowing you single handedly ran a career into the ground

That Dusty Baker must be a proud, proud man.

[Harry Hooper]

Justice prevails, ump gets nailed on the tip after not ringing the batter up on the previous pitch.

[ilya678]

WATer, finally

[Walkoff34]

Holy watah

[Barbara]

The water is dirty and I like it that way!

Thanks Sox.

(and thanks Pats, too.)

A good afternoon.

[SoxFanSince57]

WATER....Less than 8 pages today....The season seems to be OVA.

I am glad that Pedroia got a lot of ABs today--Thanks Tito.

[The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa]

There is a certain ammount of pride knowing you single handedly ran a career into the ground

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Tom Gordon escaped just in time.

[Sprowl]

A little dirty water to share among the few, the proud, the die-hard lurkers.

Please sir, I'd like some more.

[Pandemonium67]

Only 6 pages. I guess Tito didn't fuck anything up too badly.

Well, except for the Kapler thing.

[Jneen]

Holy cow...only 6 pages of game thread for a full game, and most of it lurkers.

Not that there's anything innately wrong with lurkers, it's just that I'm used to seeing at least 45 pages in these things.

Edited by Jneen, 10 September 2006 - 04:38 PM.

[Walkoff34]

Holy cow...only 6 pages of game thread for a full game, and most of it lurkers.

Not that there's anything innately wrong with lurkers, it's just that I'm used to seeing at least 45 pages in these things.

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Remembering when Lurker Nation pushed it to 100+ pages a few days in a row. The bus was overflowing then ...

[cherno]

Spent the day with my 21-day-old daughter (our first), and was only able to see the 8th & 9th inning. I really enjoyed hearing Orsillo say "the Sox are able to salvage the series & avoid the sweep against the KC Royals". Sigh . . . time to watch the 2004 DVDs.

I'm happy to see Hansen pitching the 9th, albeit in a non-save situation. Pre-cursor to 2007?

Edited by cherno, 10 September 2006 - 05:03 PM.

[The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa]

Spent the day with my 21-day-old daughter (our first), and was only able to see the 8th & 9th inning. I really enjoyed hearing Orsillo say "the Sox are able to salvage the series & avoid the sweep against the KC Royals". Sigh . . . time to watch the 2004 DVDs.

I'm happy to see Hansen pitching the 9th, albeit in a non-save situatin. Precursor to 2007?

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"salvage the series"? good grief! I hate having a company yes-man as the lead broadcaster. Orsillo needs to grow some balls. Bring back Sean McD. Or if you have to stay in house, replace him with Freedo. Being a homer is one thing, but being a complete lackey is quite another.

[Andrew]

There's nothing wrong with being spectaularly unspectaular, like Mr. Vanilla.

[The Gray Eagle]

Pedroia should have started today. Has he even started a game at second with Gonzalez at SS yet? They should be working together every chance they get.

Sounds like Crisp is out with an injury, and Manny was off, so that's why Kotter was out there. Probably didn't want to start Murphy against a lefty.

That will hopefully be the last game Kotter starts for the Red Sox. Though he got a couple hits at least. Not like Crisp would have done any better.

Pedroia, C. Pena and Murphy need to play a lot the rest of the way. Let Murphy start in CF a few times, see how he looks out there. Crisp should get himself 100% healthy and not play again until he is.

[cherno]

"salvage the series"?  good grief!  I hate having a company yes-man as the lead broadcaster.  Orsillo needs to grow some balls.  Bring back Sean McD.  Or if you have to stay in house, replace him with Freedo.  Being a homer is one thing, but being a complete lackey is quite another.

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I miss Sean. I thought he wasn't afraid to criticize the Sox on-air (which may be one of the reasons he is no longer around). I still consider him more of a voice for the Sox than Orsillo.

I also think there are times where Remy loathes having Orsillo along with him. Yeah, they joke around a lot, but comments like "if I played ball I could have a .265 average" really rub Remy the wrong way, as well as Orsillo's talk
of "coming through the minors" where he was a broadcaster & never played an inning of ball. It's an insult to what MLB players have gone through to make it to the bigs.

I also remember Orsillo's first day of broadcasting was Hideo Nomo's no-hitter, where at the end Orsillo showed as much emotion as a handball. "And Hideo Nomo has pitched a no hitter", delivered about as flat as possible.

Anyway, yes, comments like "salvaging", or last night's "tough loss to take" drive me crazy. Sean McD would have been far more critical & offered a little more insight than using the canned response.

[cherno]

By the way -- why did Kapler start today? Did Murphy play at all today?

I see Pedroia made it late into the game. Come on, let's start the kid now, we've already ran up the white flag.

I also would like to see Gonzo back next year. After a slow start, he's had a decent bat, but his defense is spectacular. It's a shame to see in today's Globe that the team has yet to talk to him about next year.

[Toup]

After todays game, both the Royals and the Red Sox are 23-34 since the All Star Break...

Edit: Stupidity....

Edited by Toup, 10 September 2006 - 06:07 PM.

[overthemonster]

In the last 10 games Kapler has played he has been up 25 times with 13 men on base and has 1 RBI. Need I say more. He is as valuable to this team as Javy Lopez was. Yet he is continually trotted out there when someone like Murphy or C. Pena could get at bats. I know he is right handed and the others are lefthanded but to put him in to hit for Nixon is a joke.

Edited by overthemonster, 10 September 2006 - 05:23 PM.

[cherno]

In his last 10 games Kapler has  played he has been up 25 times with 13 men on base and has 1 RBI.  Need I say more.  He is as valuable to this team as Javy Lopez was.  Yet he is continually trotted out there when someone like Murphy or C. Pena could get at bats.  I know he is right handed and the others are lefthanded but to put him in to hit for Nixon is a joke.

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This is just Francona playing his favorites, especially in front of the fans at home. Kapler is one of the 25, and I still like him, but the comparison to Lopez's offense is spot on. I think Francona knows he won't be back next year, so he's doing him a favor by playing him in these last games at home. The only problem with this theory is that the Sox weren't out of it yet. Now, yes, but before the series started there was still hope.

Kapler is morphing into Brian Daubach a la 2002.

[cherno]

After todays game, both the Royals and the Red Sox are 23-24 since the All Star Break...

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The Sox are actually 23 and 34 since the ASB. I would take one game under .500 at this point!

[Toup]

The Sox are actually 23 and 34 since the ASB. I would take one game under .500 at this point!

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Yeah, I guess it was wishful thinking on my part. I knew we were bad, but wow

[The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa]

In the last 10 games Kapler has  played he has been up 25 times with 13 men on base and has 1 RBI.  Need I say more.  He is as valuable to this team as Javy Lopez was.  Yet he is continually trotted out there when someone like Murphy or C. Pena could get at bats.  I know he is right handed and the others are lefthanded but to put him in to hit for Nixon is a joke.

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I know Gabe is one of the 25, and I like Gabe, he's great for the community, but he is totally cooked as a player. Keep him around, give him a job with the organization as long as he wants it. Make him the strength and conditioning coach, he's certainly qualified! Keep in uniform, but not as an active player. The amount of playing time he has been getting and his situational usage are both a travesty.

[twoBshorty]

Listened to the archive of LL's radio appearance last night. Nothing much of interest, just defense of the Beckett deal and a lot of white noise about the Sox being "very active in the FA market this offseason, even though it's not our preferred method," which sounded like him trying to parrot Theo in the spirit of whatever "vision" they decided on in the offseason.

The only interesting thing he said was that they keep track of exactly who in the front office is in favor of which move and wants what and they evaluate that at the end of the year to see if employees are on track. Sort of like a official database of second-guessing. It sounded fairly ominous, as though people may get fired in the offseason. LL didn't actually say that, but the "hard look at what went wrong" coupled with that revelation certainly implies it, IMO.

I think we need some scouts fired, personally. The talent evaluation has not been up to par, and I'm not going to dump it all in Theo's lap, because you know he's basing many decisions on the recommendations of others. Some of the filters in the sewer are still sending crap upstream, so to speak.

[HowOlerud!]

Was at the game today. Aside from the glorious Papi Maximus doing his thing, for me one of the more remarkable things (I don't know if this was mentioned anywhere): Wily Mo hit a ground ball by the shortstop that was hit so frigging hard that it just kept going all the way to the wall. Wily Mo is built for playing ball on a open field somewhere with no walls where the ball can just roll forever. I know it's been said and said, but this guy hits the ball harder than almost anybody I've ever seen. In a game that meant nothing at this point, there was joy in seeing a ball hit like this, in seeing the ease with which Alex Gonzales fields balls up the middle, and in watching Mark Loretta just be a professional baseball player. Might as well enjoy a beautiful afternoon at the Fens. Even if was just the Royals.

[Al Zarilla]

Wily Mo is built for playing ball on a open field somewhere with no walls where the ball can just roll forever.

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Cricket?

[Big Lee Smith]

Last time I started the thread and then handed it off we had a nice little win streak.

So I'm handing off...





Hopefully I don't lose 80% of my city this time.

[WalletTrack]

Last time I started the thread and then handed it off we had a nice little win streak.

So I'm handing off...
Hopefully I don't lose 80% of my city this time.

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thanks for breaking the pain BLS.
take care of yourself.

[guido57]

At this stage of the season,given our beloved team's position in the standings,would it not be friggin prudent to let every young player who is ready,play?
I personally like Tito,not some of his managerial decisions mind you,but I think the last few weeks have taken their toll on his mental health.Tito,it's over.Let's see what the young-uns have got.We had a good,enjoyable first half of the season,and for that I thank you!

[Escape from Alcantara]

I was at the game on Sunday, a few observations:

1) Tavarez cruised and looked great out there, but as soon as the ump didn't give him a couple calls the guy just lost it- fast. His effectiveness has been pleasantly surprising since he's been a starter, but what a headcase/nutjob. I've seen little leaguers with more compsure on the mound. Got a well deserved standing O from the crowd. (Hey, the bar's been set pretty low lately)

2) It wasn't a matter of "if" but "when" we were going to unload on Redman. I'm glad we didn't pick up the guy as a 5th starter, that 83 mph fastball doesn't quite cut it.

3) I love WMP. The bottom line is that he can potentially do more than Bronson ever could/would do for us. Loved that deal. As someone else said, he hit the cover off the ball.

4) Youks is our leadoff hitter now and if our team stays intact going into next year, he's our leadoff guy next year as well. It's not even really a question at this point, the way he gets on base and just wears down pitchers. The guy was down in the count 0-2 on his first AB and drew a walk.

5) Big Papi: The best there is, as good as it gets boys and girls.

6) Lot's of families with their kids at the game. That's always nice to see.

Edited by Escape from Alcantara, 11 September 2006 - 03:28 PM.

[mfried]

I was at the game on Sunday, a few observations:

1) Tavarez cruised and looked great out there, but as soon as the ump didn't give him a couple calls the guy just lost it- fast.  His effectiveness has been pleasantly surprising since he's been a starter, but what a headcase/nutjob.  I've seen little leaguers with more compsure on the mound. 

2)  It wasn't a matter of "if" but "when" we were going to unload on Redman.  I'm glad we didn't pick up the guy as a 5th starter, that 83 mph fastball doesn't quite cut it.

3)  I love WMP.  The bottom line is that he can potentially do more than Bronson ever could/would do for us.  Loved that deal.  As someone else said, he hit the cover off the ball.

4)  Youks is our leadoff hitter now and if our team stays intact going into next year, he's our leadoff guy next year as well.  It's not even really a question at this point, the way he gets on base and just wears down pitchers.  The guy was down in the count 0-2 on his first AB and drew a walk. 

5)  Big Papi:  The best there is, as good as it gets boys and girls.

6)  Lot's of families with their kids at the game.  That's always nice to see.

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Even at this somewhat sad stage of the season, it is great to see that someone can enjoy the positives out there - esp. the appreciation of WMP, Papi and Youk.

[Fletch]

I miss Sean. I thought he wasn't afraid to criticize the Sox on-air (which may be one of the reasons he is no longer around). I still consider him more of a voice for the Sox than Orsillo.

I also think there are times where Remy loathes having Orsillo along with him. Yeah, they joke around a lot, but comments like "if I played ball I could have a .265 average" really rub Remy the wrong way, as well as Orsillo's talk
of "coming through the minors" where he was a broadcaster & never played an inning of ball. It's an insult to what MLB players have gone through to make it to the bigs.

I also remember Orsillo's first day of broadcasting was Hideo Nomo's no-hitter, where at the end Orsillo showed as much emotion as a handball. "And Hideo Nomo has pitched a no hitter", delivered about as flat as possible.

Anyway, yes, comments like "salvaging", or last night's "tough loss to take" drive me crazy. Sean McD would have been far more critical & offered a little more insight than using the canned response.

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What I always thought was weird about Orsillo was that he has that fake announcer voice, that he only uses during games. When doing an interview on NESN or Sportsdesk, his voice is totally different. Seems like he's always trying a bit too hard.

[kefkafloyd]

What I always thought was weird about Orsillo was that he has that fake announcer voice, that he only uses during games. When doing an interview on NESN or Sportsdesk, his voice is totally different. Seems like he's always trying a bit too hard.

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Orsillo in person sounds just like he did when he was on WBEC in Pittsfield. My guess is that the NESN sound guys have a pretty good equalizer curve on his voice to pull out some of the high end.

[WalletTrack]

MSNBC "Papi says he deserves it"

One national cable outlet's report on Papi's comments re:MVP

Edited by WalletTrack, 11 September 2006 - 09:12 PM.

[kefkafloyd]

MSNBC "Papi says he deserves it"

One national cable outlet's report on Papi's comments re:MVP

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Ortiz sounds bitter after being jobbed last year. Big Papi is human, at least. Did you see the Yankee-slanted response?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14791298/

The guy has a heart bigger than the Pru, but you can tell he's jaded with the press. He knows that if Jeter was playing on any team other than the NYY, he wouldn't even be in the talk for MVP.

If anything, the MVP from the Yankees this year would probably be Giambi, offensively. But you can't talk about him for obvious reasons. If Ortiz produces numbers better than last year, how could he be "less valuable," given that the team around him save Manny has declined? Wouldn't that make him MORE valuable? And if his defense really is that bad, isn't not playing him in the field a net gain (even though it hurts Manny)?

[Foulkey Reese]

Papi really put his foot in his mouth in my opinion


And of course the responces are "Yankee slanted"

They are 10 games up in the division!

Edited by Foulkey Reese, 12 September 2006 - 12:25 AM.

[My Dixie - Wrecked!]

"salvage the series"?  good grief!  I hate having a company yes-man as the lead broadcaster.  Orsillo needs to grow some balls.  Bring back Sean McD.  Or if you have to stay in house, replace him with Freedo.  Being a homer is one thing, but being a complete lackey is quite another.

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Maybe he meant "SAVAGE the series". Now that would make a little more sense.

[The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa]

Papi really put his foot in his mouth in my opinion
And of course the responces are "Yankee slanted"

They are 10 games up in the division!

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It does seem that way, doesn't it? But I would like to see how the interview transpired in order to locate Papi's reponses in the context of the questions asked and the broader topics in which they were framed. I suspect the grapes are not nearly as sour as we are being led to believe.

[nvalvo]

Ortiz said he would vote for the White Sox's Jermaine Dye or Paul Konerko, or the Twins' Justin Morneau, ESPN said.

"All depends on who makes the playoffs," he said. "Dye is having an unbelievable season, an incredible year. Konerko, too. Morneau, he's having a great season, but in Minnesota, there's no publicity. I bet you nobody knows who he is."

These aren't really even very sour grapes. Trotting out Jermaine Dye, who is a good candidate, I'd say, like Ortiz a guy who carries his team, or Morneau, the feel-good young kid having a magical season, is not that much like whining about the Yankees. Hell, his example for high-integrity voting was A-Rod's first MVP, for an unsuccessful Rangers club.

[Josh LaLoosh]

MSNBC "Papi says he deserves it"

One national cable outlet's report on Papi's comments re:MVP

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I don't take the persons opinion who wears a fedora like he is some old time writer working for the net....The hat alone says Jackass to me....

I'll highlight Papi's comments in my context anyway....If a guy has similar numbers to mine he deserves to win Dye, Morneau ect...

If its not even close like Jeter he does'nt deserve shit...

Good for Ortiz this guy gets screwed 6 ways to Sunday on MVP voting.....the guy has done it with a bad heart/pec/? all season...Too bad if he spoke his mind...How many games did he win on his own??? More than anyone else

[Curtis Pride]

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Edited by Curtis Pride, 12 September 2006 - 08:05 PM.