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[Walkoff34]

Great Win- I hate to rain on everybody's parade but Terry mentioned that the reason Gabbard did not start the 8th inning was because of tightness in the shoulder. Will the injuries never end? Just when you get the good news on Pap's shoulder we get this....
Anyway, I advise everyone to go to TRUValue and buy a broom because there will be some sweeping done tomorrow! Water!

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Wow, well then Tito I'm sorry for all those names I was calling you in the 8th.

[Al Zarilla]

Who would have thought, we win 2 games against CWS with Tavarez and Gabbard, giving up a total of 2 runs.  The two colored Sox are competing for the coldest bats award.

The Red Sox have scored 34 runs in the past 16 games (2 RPG) and still managed to win 6 games.  Despite Tek only catching one of these games Sox pitchers have given up only 63 runs over the 16 game stretch, slightly less than 4 runs per game.

Once the bats heat up, a long winning streak is sure to come.  Snyder tomorrow.  Bring the broom.

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They better get the straight jacket and the padded cell ready for Ozzie. Back to back losses for his powerful White Sox against Tavarez and Gabbard with Timlin winning one and saving the other? Aye Caramba! What's the national drink of Venezuela? Lots of it going down tonight! C'mon Ozzie, it's ballistic time.

[RedOctober3829]

KC and Jorge de la Rosa helping our cause to cut the division lead to a full touchdown as they are leading 3-0 in the 5th inning.

[kviri]

This team, right now, is making me feel about the same way I felt sitting in the bleachers during 11th inning of 2004 ALCS Game 4. The outlook is horrible bordering on hopeless. I've been clinging to the hope of the tiniest of moral victories ("let us not get swept", "don't let them end this in our house"), and we just walked the bases loaded, and here comes Curtis freakin' Leskanic.

And then... the unexpected. Yankees strand three. We go to the 12th.

I'm not going to say that from that moment on, I expected us to win the series -- or even that game. All I knew is that, from that moment on, I had to give up trying to make sense of what I was seeing. We had no right getting a quality start from Derek Lowe, or getting the tying run off of Mariano Rivera, or getting out of an 11th inning jam on the strength of Curtis Leskanic's bailing-wire-and-duct-tape arm.

It didn't make sense, but we did it anyway. I had no idea what was coming next. Never mind that it was still overwhelmingly likely to be unpleasant -- watching the game, the series, the season was fun again. Even if it might all come crumbling down in 5 minutes.

That's where I am right now. This team has no realistic chance at the playoffs. Our makeshift rotation cannot be expected to keep this up. We have no reliable bullpen arms. Papi's rusty. And I don't care.

Complete the sweep, Vegas odds be damned. Take care of business against KC and Baltimore. See what happens after that.

Win.

It'll be fun.

Edited by kviri, 05 September 2006 - 08:54 PM.

[pk1627]

My only question is will Papelbon be able to pitch when we get into the playoffs?

[RedOctober3829]

If nothing, this makes September baseball more watchable than it was 3 days ago.

[bellyofthebeast]

Wow, it's amazing how confident I am for a sweep tomorrow. Snyder will dominate.

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Heck, after the performances of JT and Gabbard over the past two nights, I'm fully expecting a NO NO from tomorrow's "Ace de Jour"!

RIGHT WHERE WE WANT 'EM BABY!

[Jack Sox]

This team, right now, is making me feel about the same way I felt sitting in the bleachers during 11th inning of 2004 ALCS Game 4.  The outlook is horrible bordering on hopeless.  I've been clinging to the hope of the tiniest of moral victories ("let us not get swept", "don't let them end this in our house"), and we just walked the bases loaded, and here comes Curtis freakin' Leskanic.

And then... the unexpected.  Yankees strand three.  We go to the 12th.

I'm not going to say that from that moment on, I expected us to win the series -- or even that game.  All I knew is that, from that moment on, I had to give up trying to make sense of what I was seeing.  We had no right getting a quality start from Derek Lowe, or getting the tying run off of Mariano Rivera, or getting out of an 11th inning jam on the strength of Curtis Leskanic's bailing-wire-and-duct-tape arm.

It didn't make sense, but we did it anyway.  I had no idea what was coming next.  Never mind that it was still overwhelmingly likely to be unpleasant -- watching the game, the series, the season was fun again.  Even if it might all come crumbling down in 5 minutes.

That's where I am right now.  This team has no realistic chance at the playoffs.  Our makeshift rotation cannot be expected to keep this up.  We have no reliable bullpen arms.  Papi's rusty.  And I don't care.

Complete the sweep, Vegas odds be damned.  Take care of business against KC and Baltimore.  See what happens after that.

Win.

It'll be fun.

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Solid post.

[Jack Sox]

My only question is will Papelbon be able to pitch when we get into the playoffs?

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Yup. He will.

[FortyFive]

All hail BSL, game thread starter extraordinaire!

I was lucky enough to be at the game tonight, and it was one of the best I've seen at Fenway this year. Gabbard pitched his ass off - defying at least my expectations (I, like probably many people, thought the Chisox were gonna tee off on him). 1-0 wins are my favorite!!!

[FortyFive]

This team, right now, is making me feel about the same way I felt sitting in the bleachers during 11th inning of 2004 ALCS Game 4.  The outlook is horrible bordering on hopeless.  I've been clinging to the hope of the tiniest of moral victories ("let us not get swept", "don't let them end this in our house"), and we just walked the bases loaded, and here comes Curtis freakin' Leskanic.

And then... the unexpected.  Yankees strand three.  We go to the 12th.


That's where I am right now.  This team has no realistic chance at the playoffs.  Our makeshift rotation cannot be expected to keep this up.  We have no reliable bullpen arms.  Papi's rusty.  And I don't care.

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Seriously, very well said. On Sunday, I was so depressed with the baseball they were playing that I turned off the game and popped in "Faith Rewarded" for some motivation (good god, 2004 was fun). This team is on life support and the priest is administering last rites, but we are not dead yet - stranger things have happened, and while this is definitely not the same team as in 2004, they have a core that knows how to win (or at least make things interesting!)

[hoothehoo]

Seriously, very well said.  On Sunday, I was so depressed with the baseball they were playing that I turned off the game and popped in "Faith Rewarded" for some motivation (good god, 2004 was fun).  This team is on life support and the priest is administering last rites, but we are not dead yet - stranger things have happened, and while this is definitely not the same team as in 2004, they have a core that knows how to win (or at least make things interesting!) 

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Hell, I popped in Game 4

[Aldogg]

Nice performance by Gabbard tonight. If you would have told me last week that Tavarez and Gabbard would hold the reigning champs to 2 runs combined I would have laughed, but somehow this team has found a way to pull out a couple of huge wins. Why do I think this team, no matter what has been thrown at them the last few weeks, might just have one run in them to make a push for the Wild Card.

[twoBshorty]

Re:  Paps shoulder
I preface this by saying this is one of the dumbest most out of context posts you'll read today....

BUT

As a pitcher, I had the same diagnosis of pain in my throwing shoulder as Paps.  Same course of treatment (w/o the resources of the Red Sox, of course).  It healed and I could pitch again, but was never pitched the same again.  I never had that exact same "snap" I used to.

My tale of woe aside...  shoulder injuries are always a concern.

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You give yourself too little credit. This post is quite relevant.

Is it not true that a subluxation necessarily means there was ligament damage? Joints are complex, you can't just pop bones in and out without doing some damage to soft tissue. As incredibly relieved as I am that there is no torn rotator cuff or labrum (incidentally, Ben Cherington tore his labrum in college and never played baseball again), it still seems as if there's cause for concern.

In a rather extreme case, I have a friend who dislocated his shoulder twice in three weeks (the exact same way both times). Every time it happens, there's damage in the joint. He had surgery this summer because the joint started snapping out with no warning at all. He could put it back in by letting the arm dangle and yanking it forcefully across his body using counter-traction from the other arm, but it would just come out again.

I guess my point here is that shoulders are complex, especially in athletes, and it's too early to make positive prognostications.

[hoothehoo]

You give yourself too little credit. This post is quite relevant.

Is it not true that a subluxation necessarily means there was ligament damage? Joints are complex, you can't just pop bones in and out without doing some damage to soft tissue. As incredibly relieved as I am that there is no torn rotator cuff or labrum (incidentally, Ben Cherington tore his labrum in college and never played baseball again), it still seems as if there's cause for concern.

In a rather extreme case, I have a friend who dislocated his shoulder twice in three weeks (the exact same way both times). Every time it happens, there's damage in the joint. He had surgery this summer because the joint started snapping out with no warning at all. He could put it back in by letting the arm dangle and yanking it forcefully across his body using counter-traction from the other arm, but it would just come out again.

I guess my point here is that shoulders are complex, especially in athletes, and it's too early to make positive prognostications.

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For what it's worth, Dr Gill said in the post game that is is entirely possible there was no ligament damange.

[Greg29fan]

two stunningily good efforts by our pitchers the last two nights...keep it up guys.

[chewbarod]

yeah, good post kviri - I think that summed up 04 very well...

That being said, its really past time for people to be still talking about 04 continually - it continues to be a collar around this team's neck, sort of like a reverse 1918...(that's all I have to say about the topic...still a good post!)

I was at the game tonight; it was a very fun time in the park. Most people stuck around through the rain that was at times bordering on heavy (even in the bleachers where I was). Gabbard pitched a hell of a game, and Youk had a good day defensively.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed these tix will still be availible! (In fact, I'm checking the website now!)

[_Rerun]

Realistically, if the Sox sweep the Sox - do we really have a shot at the Wildcard?

I just don't see Minnesota dropping it at this point.

[Jack Sox]

And the MVP strikes out on 3 pitches to end the game.

[Jack Sox]

Realistically, if the Sox sweep the Sox - do we really have a shot at the Wildcard?

I just don't see Minnesota dropping it at this point.

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They have a pretty tough schedule coming up. It's not likely, but it's possible. Especially since the Twins need to play us and the other Sox. So you never know.

[kviri]

Realistically, if the Sox sweep the Sox - do we really have a shot at the Wildcard?

I just don't see Minnesota dropping it at this point.

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Not to be hopelessly optimistic, but the Twins still have to play Detroit 4 times, Chicago 3, and Boston 3. (Oh, and Oakland 3.) It's a long, long, LONG shot, and it probably requires a Boston sweep... but IF the Red Sox can find a way to get hot for a couple of weeks, I can see Minnesota losing just enough games to make it interesting.

There are 23 perfectly good baseball games left. It'd be a shame to waste them.

[Muzzy Fielder]

They have a pretty tough schedule coming up. It's not likely, but it's possible. Especially since the Twins need to play us and the other Sox. So you never know.

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Do the Twins have a back-up starter in case Radke can't maintain his recent success while pitching with a torn labrum?

Bonser, Garza, Baker, Carlos S-ilva, Lohse (oops- on the Reds), Smith? They are all treading water at the 5.00 ERA mark or sinking beneath it.

When you type Carlos S-ilva's name (without the hyphen), another term is inserted, what's going on?

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[Oil Can's Liver]

Do the Twins have a back-up starter in case Radke can't maintain his recent success while pitching with a torn labrum?   

Bonser, Garza, Baker, (Pee Pee Pants), Lohse, Smith?  They are all treading water at the 5.00 ERA mark.

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Lohse has been a member of the Cincinatti Reds for quite some time now. I cannot see the Twinkies playing any better than .500 ball the rest of the way with that staff. They have a great pen...but that staff is terrible. Bonser? Garza? Baker? ....Santana is the only reliable starter they have. That being said, they have 25 games left while we have 23. If we went 17-6, the Twinkies could go 12-13 and still force a tie. All we can do is win..just win..and let the cards fall where they may.

Edited by Oil Can's Liver, 05 September 2006 - 10:40 PM.

[matdenver]

I'm with you...I don't want to get too optimistic, but with the starters all coming back and getting some lucky pitching performances...could this team finally be getting some good luck? Is the wild card so far out of reach?

Not to be hopelessly optimistic, but the Twins still have to play Detroit 4 times, Chicago 3, and Boston 3.  (Oh, and Oakland 3.)  It's a long, long, LONG shot, and it probably requires a Boston sweep... but IF the Red Sox can find a way to get hot for a couple of weeks, I can see Minnesota losing just enough games to make it interesting.

There are 23 perfectly good baseball games left.  It'd be a shame to waste them.

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[BowdenHype]

I'm with you...I don't want to get too optimistic, but with the starters all coming back and getting some lucky pitching performances...could this team finally be getting some good luck?  Is the wild card so far out of reach?

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Yes, the Red Sox are 7 back in the loss column with 24 to go. That is a very tough hill to climb.

[Sprowl]

I returned from work to find a three-hit shutout from Gabbard and Timlin. Nice to know the team went to work after Labour Day.

I look for the karmic playoff drive: Starter du jour is blessed; rookie du jour is struck by lightning (David Murphy, step right up); reviled retread is touched by fire (Mike Timlin, Mercy!). The last shall be first; the meek wannabe-Sox shall inherit the World Series.

Tito, just don't ruin it by playing too many regulars.

[Andrew]

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[Jack Sox]

4 8 15 16 23 42

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I probably should get this. Help me out?

[Jack Sox]

You're LOST

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It's late. But yea, what is it?

[Lefty on the Mound]

Just got back from watching the boys in Fenway deliver a nifty shutout victory over the reigning World champs. Gabbard looked good and when he got in trouble, let his defense help him out.

I'm not asking all of you to believe that the Sox still have a chance to make the playoffs but after tonight, how about being willing to believe?

[Andrew]

You're LOST

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Very nice.

[Jack Sox]

Very nice.

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Ahhhhhh!

[Comandante]

Ahhhhhh!

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You're LOST, Jack.

hint: not much baseball in the reference

[Jack Sox]

You're LOST, Jack.

hint: not much baseball in the reference

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Haha! No, I got it a while back.

[DontTauntOrtizMe]

Just got back from watching the boys in Fenway deliver a nifty shutout victory over the reigning World champs.  Gabbard looked good and when he got in trouble, let his defense help him out.

I'm not asking all of you to believe that the Sox still have a chance to make the playoffs but after tonight, how about being willing to believe?

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I'm in. How could anyone give up on this team after what happened in 2004?

[guido57]

We win,the Yanks lose.
Goodnight,Irene....goodnight!

[the_pun2000]

It feels good to have the buddies call...and to be able to leave in the middle of the game and get to the corner bar and still have the lead...and have everyone be able to enjoy watching decently played baseball again. As far as the wild card stuff...I am not so concerned...I am just happy that this team is finally showing character and not just rolling over and playing dead...and for what its worth...every game I think about Lester and hope he is feeling well enough after treatment to be able to watch a game or two...I can't wait to see him pitch again this spring. A kid with balls as big as his...will be on the mound again...and will dominate the league when he is back...you can count on it. Still thinking and praying for you Jon...get well soon.

[rickya13dot]

I still believe.

I was told I was crazy when I believed when they were down 3-0. (Even made $1,000 on a 100-1 bet)

I like that people tell me I'm crazy now!!!

Anyone want to bet on it???

[My Dixie - Wrecked!]

(lost text of response; please disregard this post)

Edited by My Dixie - Wrecked!, 06 September 2006 - 01:36 AM.

[guido57]

It feels good to have the buddies call...and to be able to leave in the middle of the game and get to the corner bar and still have the lead...and have everyone be able to enjoy watching decently played baseball again.  As far as the wild card stuff...I am not so concerned...I am just happy that this team is finally showing character and not just rolling over and playing dead...and for what its worth...every game I think about Lester and hope he is feeling well enough after treatment to be able to watch a game or two...I can't wait to see him pitch again this spring.  A kid with balls as big as his...will be on the mound again...and will dominate the league when he is back...you can count on it.  Still thinking and praying for you Jon...get well soon.

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Good post.
Indeed,get well soon,Jon.