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[templeUsox]

I'm going to consolidate the data I have been putting into the game threads, into this thread. As most know, minorleaguesplits.com has opened up a lot of doors for people interested in such things.

At SoxProspects.com, I opened up an offer to help me out with the off-season BIP studies I plan on doing. In short, I would like to break down each individual league with every player accounted for, over a certain threshold. The possibilities are open-ended, so any ideas are welcome. Here is what I have been throwing around so far:

Which pitchers are the most dominant in BIP types compare to their league

Is there an all-encompassing metric we can create using run values in which we can define the most appealing type of pitcher?

Trying to put a tag on pitchers and see how their BIP allowed fluctuates as they rise through the minors (this is a year-to-year project I plan on doing).

Any other ideas are welcome. I think its best just to gather all the data together, so any idea that comes to mind can be easily performed. So far I have assigned 4 leagues out to individual posters:

International League
Pacific League
Eastern League
Texas League
Southern League
California League
Carolina League- SoxScout
Florida State League
South Atlantic League- PedrosRedGlove
Midwest League
New York Penn League- NHSoxfan
Northwest League
Appalachian League
Arizona League
Gulf Coast League- TempleuSox
Pioneer League

I would be happy to provide you with my sample GCL spreadsheet to get you going on a league, should you be so inclined.

Edited by templeUsox, 04 September 2006 - 12:26 AM.

[templeUsox]

I'm going to put these hear for safe storage:

[OttoC]

If I had seen you had started this thread I would have posted here. As far as I'm concerned, the one I started could be merged with this one.

[OttoC]

Correlation Coefficients for Batting Average and Slugging Percentage Correlated to Line Drive, Ground Ball, and Fly Ball Rates. I'll do the same thing for pitching handedness when I can, but my initial reaction is we need data over a longer period of time.

           Line Drive%     Ground Ball%     Fly Ball%

Lg  Class  AVG-------SLG   AVG-------SLG   AVG-------SLG

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App  R     0.638   0.657  -0.456  -0.273   0.390   0.328  Appalachian League

AzL  R     0.557   0.596  -0.350  -0.613   0.578   0.718  Arizona League

GCL  R    -0.168  -0.254  -0.119  -0.075   0.379   0.442  Gulf Coast League

Pio  R     0.841   0.717  -0.701  -0.907  -0.204   0.061  Pioneer League



NWL  SS   -0.384  -0.728   0.134   0.032   0.208   0.592  Northwest League

NYP  SS    0.560   0.531   0.058  -0.085  -0.237  -0.021  New York-Penn League



MWL  A-    0.363   0.234  -0.639  -0.787   0.443   0.686  Midwest League

SAL  A-    0.433   0.232   0.023  -0.318  -0.022   0.314  South Atlantic League



Cal  A+    0.154   0.142  -0.214  -0.443   0.146   0.274  California League

Car  A+    0.029  -0.525   0.222  -0.202  -0.166   0.476  Carolina League

FSL  A+   -0.481  -0.417   0.226  -0.271   0.490   0.814  Florida State League



EL   AA   -0.532  -0.546   0.509   0.028   0.091   0.651  Eastern League

SL   AA    0.008  -0.028  -0.144  -0.723   0.282   0.694  Southern League

TL   AA    0.161  -0.183  -0.403  -0.582   0.212   0.440  Texas League



IL   AAA   0.397   0.428  -0.321  -0.765  -0.168   0.558  International League

PCL  AAA   0.625   0.440  -0.272  -0.666  -0.217   0.303  Pacific Coast League

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ALL        0.283   0.282  -0.279  -0.529   0.164   0.361

[Hairps]

Here's a quick, "junk stat" way of looking at the types of pitchers, in general, organizations having moving through their minor league systems:

 Org.     GB% Rank    K/9 Rank
  ARZ    46.19   17   7.14   22
  ATL    44.43   28   7.12   24
  BAL    46.83   12   7.62    7
  BOS    47.33    7   7.64    6
  CHC    45.43   22   7.30   17
  CHW    47.09   10   6.96   27
  CIN    45.60   21   7.41   13
  CLE    47.00   11   7.31   16
  COL    48.25    2   7.50   11
  DET    47.59    5   6.70   29
  FLA    46.60   14   7.37   14
  HOU    45.32   24   7.33   15
  KCR    44.71   27   7.06   25
  LAA    44.42   29   6.42   30
  LAD    45.34   23   8.27    1
  MIL    45.70   20   7.90    2
  MIN    46.70   13   7.57    9
  NYM    47.25    8   7.04   26
  NYY    47.69    4   7.71    4
  OAK    44.18   30   7.14   21
  PHI    44.77   26   7.49   12
  PIT    46.41   15   6.93   28
  SDP    47.85    3   7.14   20
  SEA    45.81   19   7.56   10
  SFG    47.16    9   7.61    8
  STL    47.47    6   7.12   23
  TBD    46.40   16   7.86    3
  TEX    45.84   18   7.68    5
  TOR    48.63    1   7.15   19
  WDC    45.25   25   7.19   18

"GB%" is the average GB% of that franchise's minor league teams. "K/9" is the average K/9 of that franchise's minor league teams. "Rank" after each is where those franchise's teams, as a whole, rank based on each particular metric.

[Hairps]

Also, if this is to become a catch-all Fun With Minor League Splits Thread, I might as well put this here:

League Pitching Averages

        League   Level     K/9     GB%     LD%     FB%
      northwest    A-SS     7.57   47.82   13.38   28.78
           nypl    A-SS     7.47   48.71   14.24   26.88
        midwest       A     7.44   47.18   12.61   30.11
  southatlantic       A     7.54   48.05   13.82   28.87
     california   A-Adv     7.62   45.65   12.72   32.21
       carolina   A-Adv     6.92   45.57   11.47   32.58
   floridastate   A-Adv     7.46   46.50   12.78   30.80
       southern      AA     7.57   45.69   15.52   28.31
          texas      AA     7.01   44.85   16.08   29.69
        eastern      AA     7.37   45.58   12.79   31.48
  international     AAA     6.94   45.11   16.94   27.60
   pacificcoast     AAA     7.02   44.58   16.25   29.30

[Hairps]

Minor League BABIP MLEs

In conclusion, its a myth that a high BABIP in the minors dooms a prospect. Its always good to not allow hits (duh, that's why no-hitters are so cool), but if you've got two prospects, and both are equally excellent in walks, homers, and strikeouts, and one has a higher BABIP, take the one who gives up fewer hits. But don't give up on the other guy so quick. He can probably pitch too.

Edited by Hairps, 15 December 2006 - 10:20 AM.