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Nuf Ced
An AP wire story is reporting that any negotiations with Sarasota have ended.

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The city and county said today that they have ended negotiations with the club and are giving up the effort to get the team to move its spring home from Fort Myers to Sarasota.

The city and Sarasota County had been negotiating with the Red Sox for months, after the Cincinnati Reds decided to move its spring operations to Goodyear, Ariz.

In a joint statement, the city and county said they were unable to reach an agreement with the Red Sox and the current economic climate limited the amount of money they had to spend on a new complex for the team.


http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basebal...position=recent
BoSoxLady
QUOTE(Nuf Ced @ Oct 14 2008, 12:20 PM) *
An AP wire story is reporting that any negotiations with Sarasota have ended.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basebal...position=recent


Thanks for the birthday gift.

In this economy, there's no way Sarasota County or Lee County for that matter, can justify raising taxes to build a baseball stadium.
Soxfan in Fla
Update that I just got in email:

It is not over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The County Commission voted at today's afternoon session to advertise for a Public
Hearing to be held on Wednesday,October 29 to vote on increasing the Tourist 'Bed" Tax.The press release
issued today was a mistake.The County wants to negotiate.

This is the reality....................We have 5400 signatures on our petitions to bring the Boston Red Sox Training
Facilities to Sarasota.I will certainly continue lobbying and attending meetings.However,I really need your help.
The Commissioners absolutely need to hear from their constituents INDIVIDUALLY...............write them.........
email them..............call them.............make appointments to meet one on one.

You will receive an email from me every day simply saying Attend the meeting on the 29th..............we need
four votes.

I want you to know that I have no intention of closing down Citizens For Sox.The economy might be weak but
you have to believe.Tomorrow is another day.This is about the economy of Sarasota.........the future!!!!!!!!!!
mabrowndog
QUOTE(Soxfan in Fla @ Oct 14 2008, 08:52 PM) *
Update that I just got in email:

Gary, maybe you can help fill in the blanks on this.

According to the Citizens for Sox web site, there are 5 county commissioners. The e-mail stats that there are 4 votes needed. Politically, what is the likelihood of their voting to raise the "bed" tax, which I assume is a hotel/motel/inn levy? What is that tax now, what's the increase they'll be voting on, and what's the projected revenue gain for the county? Do the five city commissioners need to vote on it as well? Is there a general ballot referendum required to ratify any tax increases approved by city or state officials?

And assuming such a vote passes, what steps would need to be taken to earmark these funds for acquiring land and developing stadium property?
mabrowndog
FWIW, Citizens For Sox is run by Elsie Souza, a New Bedford native who now lives in Sarasota. Jon Couture of the N-B Standard Times wrote a feature on her last month.

link

There doesn't seem to be much out there detailing how extensive her grass roots effort has become, so it's tough to tell whether that mass email posted by SFiF reflects a serious step in the process or a last grasp at a dead project.
Soxfan in Fla
QUOTE(mabrowndog @ Oct 15 2008, 01:40 PM) *
FWIW, Citizens For Sox is run by Elsie Souza, a New Bedford native who now lives in Sarasota. Jon Couture of the N-B Standard Times wrote a feature on her last month.

link

There doesn't seem to be much out there detailing how extensive her grass roots effort has become, so it's tough to tell whether that mass email posted by SFiF reflects a serious step in the process or a last grasp at a dead project.


I'm not sure the extents of her background but know she has been running this since day 1 and has really put an all out blitz in the community. She seems to be well organized and has done a lot.
Soxfan in Fla
QUOTE(mabrowndog @ Oct 15 2008, 02:45 AM) *
Gary, maybe you can help fill in the blanks on this.

According to the Citizens for Sox web site, there are 5 county commissioners. The e-mail stats that there are 4 votes needed. Politically, what is the likelihood of their voting to raise the "bed" tax, which I assume is a hotel/motel/inn levy? What is that tax now, what's the increase they'll be voting on, and what's the projected revenue gain for the county? Do the five city commissioners need to vote on it as well? Is there a general ballot referendum required to ratify any tax increases approved by city or state officials?

And assuming such a vote passes, what steps would need to be taken to earmark these funds for acquiring land and developing stadium property?


Here's what I know. The only vote needed is the County Commissioners. To my knowledge they pretty much ALL want to see the Sox come here because they all seem to think the Sox would be an economic boon to the county. I think it is a pretty good likelihood that at least 4 of the 5 would vote in favor and it would not surprise me if all 5 do. There seems to be pretty unanimous support amongst county officials on this. They all seem to support bringing the Sox here. The county bed tax is currently 4% and they would be raising it to 5% which would max it out. If I remember right an article talking about this possibility awhile back stated that it would generate an extra $35-40 million per year. There is no general ballot referendum needed to get this passed. As long as the County Commissioners pass it, the tax is a done deal. The one thing I do not know is what would need to be done to earmark those funds after the tax is passed. Hope this helps.
mabrowndog
The Sox are apparently confused by yesterday's vote, but they're willing to head back to the negotiating table with Sarasota:

Fort Myers News-Press

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The county commission vote came as a surprise to Red Sox chief operating officer Mike Dee. "I haven't spoken to anybody directly," Dee said from Fenway Park Tuesday shortly before the Red Sox played the Tampa Bay Rays in Game 4 of the American League Championship Series. "Only reacting to second-hand information. If that's true, we'd certainly welcome the opportunity. We always thought we should continue."

That comment came only hours after Dee spoke about the apparent end of the negotiations. "We mutually agreed to end negotiations and discussions for now of moving the Red Sox there," Dee said in the morning. "I think at the end of the day the parties determined that talks had not progressed to the point where we could come to an agreement."

The Sarasota city and county governments sent out press releases Tuesday announcing they agreed to end negotiations with the Red Sox about moving their spring training base from City of Palms Park in downtown Fort Myers to a proposed stadium at Payne Park in downtown Sarasota. Then, hours later, came the county commission vote.

"I don't think the press release was sent out in error," Sarasota County commissioner Paul Mercier said. "What happened, it might have been sent out prematurely."

Did the later vote mean Sarasota is still in the game to get the Red Sox?

"I think that's what we're trying to figure out," Mercier said.

The theory was the bad economic climate may have doomed Sarasota's Red Sox quest. "The big thing is the national economy," Sarasota City Manager Robert Bartolotta said. "It cost you a lot more to borrow money now than two months ago. Even if you could borrow. That was the primary wrench in the works."
For now, they've got talks planned tomorrow with Lee County geared toward remaining in/near Fort Myers. (The meeting was originally planned for today, but has been pushed off):

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Dee is expected to meet with Lee County attorney David Owen; Jim Lavender, the county's public works director; and [Lee County’s liaison in Red Sox negotiations John] Yarbrough to discuss ballpark options and sites in the county.

The Lee County Tourist Development Council will meet next Tuesday to discuss funding for a new Red Sox facility. County officials have been saying for months any new spring training facility would not use property taxes. Any funds would come from tourist taxes.

The Red Sox, who have trained in Fort Myers since 1993, have a lease with Lee County that runs through 2019. The lease contains an escape clause that would allow the team to leave as soon as the end of spring training 2009 by paying a $1 million fee. That fee then drops $100,000 per year for the life of the lease.

Dee does not want to commit the Red Sox to an amount of time they'll remain. "I wouldn't speculate," Dee said. "I think that will be a part of the process of moving forward."

Several sites near Interstate 75 have been discussed as potential homes for a new Red Sox complex to replace City of Palms Park, the team's spring home since 1993.

[Fort Myers city councilman Randy] Henderson wants to keep the team near downtown Fort Myers. The Red Sox have said they don't like the current set-up with the team's five-field practice facility 2.6 miles east of the stadium. Henderson has talked about acquiring land between the stadium and Cleveland Avenue to build an adjacent complex. "In a perfect world for us, we'd be able to create a vision for them that would meet their needs over the next decade or so," Henderson said.

The Red Sox have let all parties know they'd prefer a facility with all practice fields and stadium at the same location. They'd like the new park, wherever it is located, also feature commercial development such as shops, restaurants and hotels.

Yarbrough hopes to come up with a 30-year deal without an escape clause. He hopes to have a new facility opened by 2012 or 2013.

Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall seeing Orlando/Disney World mentioned before as a prospective site. Regardless, Lee County officials seem divided as to how the developments in Sarasota affect their chances:

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Where will the Red Sox eventually play their spring games? Remain at City of Palms Park? Move to a new stadium in Lee County? What about Disney World, which surfaced as a potential site over the summer? What about other cities in Florida or Arizona? "I don't want to include or preclude anyone," Dee said.

Lee County Commissioner Ray Judah believes Tuesday morning's news, assuming it stands, could assure the Red Sox, who have won two World Series in the past four years, might remain here a long time. "The way I interpret it, the Red Sox want to have a long-term partnership with Lee County past 2019," Judah said.

Jeff Mielke, executive director of the Lee County Sports Authority, doesn't believe Tuesday's news guarantees a long-term future. "I think it buys us a little more time to try to come up with something for their long-term spring training needs," Mielke said.
jsinger121
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Sarasota isn't ready to give up its quest to become the spring training home of the Red Sox quite yet.

According to this morning's Sarasota (Fla.) Herald-Tribune, Sarasota County commissioners voted by a 4-1 margin to continue negotiating with the Red Sox in an attempt to get them to move their spring training operations from Ft. Myers.

The potential deal had been called off by mutual agreement Monday night and the impasse was confirmed by the Red Sox Tuesday.

According to the newspaper, the Red Sox are looking for a facility that would cost in the vicinity of $70 million. City and county officials reportedly came up with slightly less than $60 million.


http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...ta_still_1.html
Soxfan in Fla
More interesting stuff here in Sarasota. Apparently a couple of the commissioners have started bantying around the idea of bringing the Orioles in, which would be much cheaper for them as the O's would just agree to an upgrade of Ed Smith stadium.

Needless to say business owners in the area who are pining for the Sox because they feel it will be a boon to the economy are pissed.

One person likened it to buying a Yugo instead of a Mercedes.
mabrowndog
Sarasota will vote on increasing the tourist tax next week.

Globe

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The city of Sarasota, Fla., will vote Wednesday on whether to increase its tourist tax from half a penny to a penny.

Approval would boost any funding needed for a new stadium for the Sox, in addition to the work needed on the refurbishment of what would be the team's minor league complex, the former spring home of the Reds.

Although negotiators hired by Sarasota County are dealing directly with the Red Sox in an attempt to lure them from their current spring home in Fort Myers, county commissioner Joe Barbetta expects a response in the next couple of days from the club. The increase in taxes would bring in more than $2 million per year in order to issue bonds between $60 million and $65 million to finance the stadium.

Lee County, which encompasses Fort Myers, seemingly remains a player in the process, having announced it was looking for proposals from the private sector for a new facility for the Sox on at least 80 acres of land, according to the (Fort Myers) News-Press.

"We talked to both Lee County and to Sarasota, and we expect to bring this process to closure sometime early next week," said Red Sox chief operating officer Mike Dee.
Quintanariffic
Maybe it's just me but these counties are at the epicenter of the housing meltdown, and they're falling all over themselves to raise taxes to subsidize a private enterprise - makes me feel kind of slimy as a Sox fan.
Spacemans Bong
QUOTE(Quintanariffic @ Oct 24 2008, 07:28 PM) *
Maybe it's just me but these countries are at the epicenter of the housing meltdown, and they're falling all over themselves to raise taxes to subsidize a private enterprise - makes me feel kind of slimy as a Sox fan.

Me too, though you could make an argument - a pretty weak one, but an argument - that getting a wealthy, big market franchise whose retirees would move to your state anyway is a nice way to sell some houses. If I may use BSL's family as an example, it's clearly in the interests of Sarasota to get more BSLs to come there than Ft. Myers.

Not that public financing for stadiums is acceptable, but just playing devil's advocate.
staz
QUOTE(Spacemans Bong @ Oct 24 2008, 04:25 PM) *
Me too, though you could make an argument - a pretty weak one, but an argument - that getting a wealthy, big market franchise whose retirees would move to your state anyway is a nice way to sell some houses. If I may use BSL's family as an example, it's clearly in the interests of Sarasota to get more BSLs to come there than Ft. Myers.

Not that public financing for stadiums is acceptable, but just playing devil's advocate.


Weak? What's weak about it?

What's the economic return period of an invested $65M when you're bringing in "The Nation"? Three years or four?
Quintanariffic
QUOTE(staz @ Oct 25 2008, 10:17 PM) *
Weak? What's weak about it?

What's the economic return period of an invested $65M when you're bringing in "The Nation"? Three years or four?

Prove it. I'm sure a case could be made, but prove that there will be $65MM plus the cost of capital in incremental tax revenues brought in to Sarasota that wouldn't have otherwise been generated. Then tell my why that would be more valuable than schools, roads, or some other form of public good.
BoSoxLady
It appears that Lee County is back in the game with respect to the Red Sox remaining in Ft. Myers. Proposed Agreement

You'll see the draft doesn't include an "out clause" this time around. Fool them once......

The County is proposing a new spring training facility in South Fort Myers. That location is odd considering it's near the Twins' facility but it's also just North of Estero, which is a growing (upscale) community.

The only negative for us is the new location is a 40 minute drive as opposed to our current 20. Of course, it's much better than driving to Sarasota. smile.gif
Soxfan in Fla
As someone who lives in the Sarasota/Bradenton area and could have driven "down the street" to S/T and also someone who would have liked to see the positives the Sox would bring to the economy I would officially like to thank the worthless MORONS from the Sarasota County Fairgrounds Commission for completely screwing this up for Sarasota. Worthless bums, you hold a 2 week joke of a county fair/circus and most of the rest of the year your property lies dormant in prime real estate. Give the damn land up and go out into the redneck sticks where your stupid fair belongs. Great job of screwing over the county. Morons.
jsinger121
I am pretty stunned the Red Sox and Sarasota didn't make this happen. Its well known that many of the minor league players dread Fort Myers and the fact that they would have cut down on travel during the Grapefruit League would have been a plus as well.
Soxfan in Fla
QUOTE(jsinger121 @ Oct 28 2008, 11:33 AM) *
I am pretty stunned the Red Sox and Sarasota didn't make this happen. Its well known that many of the minor league players dread Fort Myers and the fact that they would have cut down on travel during the Grapefruit League would have been a plus as well.


Blame goes to Sarasota and partially the current economy here. The Sox did EVERYTHING they reasonably could to make this happen. First off the desired first site got screwed up by the Fairgrounds commission as I mentioned above. Then funding issues started to happen because it was hard to obtain and secure lending monies during the credit crisis which lead to a couple commissioners openly talking about bringing the crappy O's in as it would be cheaper and also lead to the vote of the bed tax increase. When the 2 commissioners openly made comments I think the Sox saw potential writing on the wall that the bed tax might very well not get passed and they had had enough to dragging this on and wanted to get it done and over with and Fort Myers was MORE than willing to do what it took to keep them.

The Sox very badly wanted to move to Sarasota from everything I have seen here. However, different factions from the Fairgrounds commission to eventually the county commissioners later on screwed this one up. The Sox could not wait any longer and continue pussy footing around with this.
behindthepen
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2008/oct/27...t-keep-red-sox/

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County officials penned a lease proposal that, if the team and county commissioners accept, would keep the Red Sox for at least 30 years and require the county to build a new spring training facility in south Lee County.
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In return, the county would be required to build the spring training facilities at a new site by a “target date” of Dec. 1, 2011, and no later than Dec. 1, 2012. The county would also have to prepare a preliminary cost budget by Dec. 31, 2008, a preliminary financing plan by Jan. 15, 2009, select architects, engineers and a construction firm by Feb. 1, 2009, and find a project site with at least 80 acres by June 1, 2009, among several other requirements. The proposal would also require the county to find a project site within specific boundaries — the Daniels Parkway corridor to the north, Bonita Springs to the south, U.S. 41 to the west and County Road 951 to the east.

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The Red Sox let it be known long ago that their current home at City of Palms Park wasn’t cutting it any more. They want practice fields at the game stadium site, plus nearby amenities like top-notch hotels. They’ve also talked about a “Fenway South” stadium that recreates the iconic Boston ballpark complete with a Green Monster wall in left field.

The team has been courted by Sarasota, which the Cincinnati Reds are leaving after next year, but negotiations there are on life support. Sarasota commissioners are set to discuss their own tourist tax on Wednesday, but they must agree by a 4-1 vote to raise the tax rate, not merely reallocate it.


Sounds like there are still a few steps to making this concrete.
BoSoxLady
The Lee County Commission today by a 3-1 vote, approved the agreement to build a replica Fenway spring training facility.

Agreement approved

The meeting was attended by Mike Dee and Todd Stephenson of the Red Sox. Mike Dee will now present the Agreement to ownership in Boston. According to Dee, the County should have their decision by next week whether or not to move forward.
mabrowndog
More from the Globe, including comments from Mike Dee:

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"We've been humbled through this process [with]the interest level from the communities that have stepped forward publicly," Dee said. "They've really provided us with some great choices and great alternatives to weigh. Lee County spoke very loudly today that they want to do what it takes to keep the Red Sox here. They value us as a member of the community."

With an out clause in their contract for City of Palms Park, the Sox have been negotiating with Sarasota and Lee County. Sarasota was offering a split site, with a refurbished stadium and practice fields as a minor league facility and a new stadium at Payne Park for Grapefruit League games. Lee County has a plan for a combined site - one of the criteria the Sox sought - and a 9,999-seat stadium, with room for 12,000, designed to look like Fenway Park.

One issue remains about the Lee County site, which would be built in an area ranging from the airport south toward Naples. It concerns land. Lee County is counting on a landowner donating 80 acres on which to build the stadium, which would be the third in the county, after City of Palms Park and the Twins' Hammond Stadium. Those involved seem confident that won't be a problem.
Hairps
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The Red Sox and the executives from Lee County Florida agreed this morning to a deal that will keep the Red Sox’ spring training site in Lee County, but move it from its current home at City of Palms Park in Fort Myers.

Earlier this week, the Lee County Commissioners presented the Red Sox with a plan to build an $80 million spring training complex in south Lee County. The two sides reached agreement on a pact this morning and a deal is expected to be announced later today, sources said.

The complex will offer the Red Sox a 10,000-seat ballpark modeled after Fenway Park, six practice fields and opportunities for commercial development including shops, hotels and restaurants.

Developers and an architect will be chosen by spring 2009 and the Sox could move their spring training complex in time for February 2012.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basebal...&position=1
Hairps
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[Lee County Commission Chairman Ray]Judah hopes the Red Sox will be able to place a Class Florida State League minor-league baseball team in the new stadium.

The Red Sox have not had an FSL team in Fort Myers because the team and the Goldklang Group, which owns the Fort Myers Miracle, have not been able to come to terms on an understanding.

Minor-league baseball rules give the Miracle rights to the area. The Red Sox can not bring in an FSL team without approval from the Miracle.

“I think there’s a great opportunity for synergy,” Judah said of having two FSL teams in Lee County.

http://www.news-press.com/article/20081101...S/81101009/1075
mabrowndog
I'm sure in a perfect world the Sox would love to have their high class A team based at their spring training site. But they've already committed to Salem VA for the next two years -- a team they bought last year -- so I wouldn't expect an FSL arrangement anytime soon.
singaporesoxfan
So it's a 30-year deal in Fort Myers then?

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The Boston Red Sox will keep their spring training home in the Fort Myers area for 30 more years after signing an agreement on Saturday with Lee County, Fla.


Link
jsinger121
QUOTE(mabrowndog @ Nov 1 2008, 05:32 PM) *
I'm sure in a perfect world the Sox would love to have their high class A team based at their spring training site. But they've already committed to Salem VA for the next two years -- a team they bought last year -- so I wouldn't expect an FSL arrangement anytime soon.


I've heard rumblings that the Sox may want two high A teams.
Trautwein's Degree
QUOTE(jsinger121 @ Nov 1 2008, 10:40 PM) *
I've heard rumblings that the Sox may want two high A teams.

Any reason why they'd want to do this? Wouldn't that make them the only MLB team with two high "a" teams? Does this reflect an even more increased emphasis on foreign talent?
The Allented Mr Ripley
This morning's Globe article:

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The Red Sox will move into the new facility in 2012. The new stadium will be constructed to resemble Fenway. Dee added that, with the vacancy coming at City of Palms Park, the Sox were on board with Lee County attempting to lure a third team to the area, joining the Sox and Twins.
jsinger121
QUOTE(Trautwein @ Nov 1 2008, 09:54 PM) *
Any reason why they'd want to do this? Wouldn't that make them the only MLB team with two high "a" teams? Does this reflect an even more increased emphasis on foreign talent?


It would show the Red Sox want to bring in even more talent than they already have and it would make them the only team with 2 High A teams. Nothing is definite on this but I have heard some rumblings about it.
Lose Remerswaal
I keep stumbling over this phrase in every article about the Sox staying in Lee County:
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One piece that has not been determined is the site of the new park. Lee County is relying on local landowners to donate an 80-acre plot. According to Dee, proposals will be requested in the next week from developers on a site in southern Lee County. The Sox will have input on the site decision


And what if they can't find a landowner to donate said land? Is there another out? Will the county come up with the land?

Seems like a stretch to get someone to donate land like that, unless the development rights around the stadium are included, and what are those worth outside of February 15 to March 31st?
OCD SS
QUOTE(Trautwein @ Nov 1 2008, 09:54 PM) *
Any reason why they'd want to do this? Wouldn't that make them the only MLB team with two high "a" teams? Does this reflect an even more increased emphasis on foreign talent?


It makes sense already, IMO. The Sox look like they're having some minor problems finding places for everyone to play at the A ball level. If they keep to a draft plan that has them aiming for high upside highschoolers a second A ball team could alleviate some of the crunch. Although a second low-A team would probably be just as or more helpful in this regard, I wonder if the longterm relationship with Greenville would make it a bit more difficult to introduce a second team competing for talent at that level...
philly sox fan
I'm 95% sure there are currently restrictions against having multiple hi-A teams. MLB and the minors governing body had some real contentious negotiations about the agreement governing their relationship in the early 2000s. It was mostly money related, of course, with MLB wanting the minors to pick up more costs and forcing them to upgrade their stadiums. The latter ended up being a huge boon to the minors.

One of the agreements mandated that all 30 hi-A teams and all 30 lo-A teams were guaranteed affiliations with MLB teams and that the structure would be one team in each league for each MLB organization. At the time Oak, in their college only phase, had two hi-A teams in the CAL and the Astros were stuck with two SAL teams. They used to use one as their unofficial hi-A team and naturally it used to dominate. As a result of the rule change Oak was very reluctantly forced to swap one of their CAL league teams for a MWL affiliation.

It looks like the best time for the Sox to do something would be in 2012 and there's a lot of time between then and now, but as of now swapping out a lo-A team for a second hi-A team is a non-starter because it's against the rules. I suppose they could find a second team that wants another hi-A team and keep the 1-1 ratio for all 30 teams. But obviously that would require finding another team and the assumption that the minors would go for it.

Either way, the Sox cannot act on their own to get a second hi-A affiliate.

There aren't those kinds of restrictions for the short season teams. As a result there are 2 or 3 organizations that have 7 affiliates - the four standard full season levels and 3 short season teams. If the Sox wanted to do that, they could make that happen.

It's been mentioned that the Sox seem to be running into roster crunch issues, but I think that may be true across the industry. I was a bit amazed to note recently that 968 players were signed out of the draft. I'd have to double check some old sources, but I'm pretty sure it used to be more in the 750-800 player range. There are also an ever increasing number of foreign players and MLB recently received some kind of unlimited special visa status for their players. MLB teams control more minor league players now, then they have in a long time.

Add in the fact that the minors are a pretty successful local business and we might see some wider expansion in the minors.
George from Maine
I like the Carolina League-Sally League alignment that the Sox have set up for the next two years. It puts the two A teams in close geographic proximity and as close to the Sox three minor league teams in New England as possible.
Fred not Lynn
QUOTE(mabrowndog @ Nov 1 2008, 02:32 PM) *
I'm sure in a perfect world the Sox would love to have their high class A team based at their spring training site. But they've already committed to Salem VA for the next two years -- a team they bought last year -- so I wouldn't expect an FSL arrangement anytime soon.

Not sure what the territorial rules are here, but wouldn't the fact that there is already a FSL team in Fort Myers (Fort Myers Miracle [Twins]) be an issue too. Sharing the area for Spring Training isn't such a big deal, as there are enough fans coming from elsewhere to keep everyone happy, but I can't imagine a town supporting two FSL teams.
BoSoxLady
QUOTE(Fred not Lynn @ Nov 4 2008, 10:56 AM) *
Not sure what the territorial rules are here, but wouldn't the fact that there is already a FSL team in Fort Myers (Fort Myers Miracle [Twins]) be an issue too. Sharing the area for Spring Training isn't such a big deal, as there are enough fans coming from elsewhere to keep everyone happy, but I can't imagine a town supporting two FSL teams.


That's absolutely the reason the Sox don't have an FSl team in Fort Myers. The Twins own the territorial rights and have thus far, been unwilling to allow the Sox to place a team in the Fort.
Hairps
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...the Red Sox will need to decide whether to pursue a Florida State League team at a new Fort Myers complex. We've heard a team is in the mix, but there are a few complicating factors. First, we're pretty sure the aforementioned Miracle ownership would oppose such a move: the market already contains a new Charlotte County team as well, and three FSL teams in the market seems to be a success for failure. However, we have heard the BoSox have quietly raised the possibility of selling the Salem Avalanche (High Class A; Carolina League) in order to make an FSL shift.

The Red Sox bought Salem for two reasons: baseball considerations (the team really wanted to be back in the Carolina League) and development considerations (Fenway Ventures met with area communities like Charlottesville about the Avalanche anchoring new development), but with development off the table for the Red Sox and Fenway Ventures given the current state of credit markets, the allure of keeping Salem is a tad tarnished.

http://www.ballparkdigest.com/
mabrowndog
Some details emerging on the site selection process:
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The Estero Council of Community Leaders is taking a “wait and see” approach to making a recommendation as to where Lee County should build the new spring training home of the Boston Red Sox.

Terms of the deal signed Nov. 1 call for the project site to be located south of Daniels Parkway, north of Bonita Beach Road, east of U.S. 41 and west of County Road 951.

ECCL chairman Don Eslick said his organization would wait until proposals from landowners are submitted to county offices before his organization makes a recommendation. The deadline for proposals is Dec. 23.

“There aren’t a whole lot of sites in Estero that have potential for the Red Sox,” Eslick said Friday. “I think it’s prudent to wait until late December or early January to see what the alternatives are before we make a move.”

Eslick said there were “only three of four potential sites” in Estero that would be right for the project, though early speculation has Estero as a frontrunner due to the presence of the Coconut Point Hyatt, which provides accommodations to Red Sox team executives and some players each spring.

The 9,999-seat “mini-Fenway” stadium complete with a replica Green Monster has a target completion date of 2011, with a possible one-year delay built into terms of the agreement.

FWIW, Estero is about 15 miles south of City of Palms Park and roughly 20 miles north of Naples.



OttoC
QUOTE(BoSoxLady @ Nov 4 2008, 05:26 PM) *
That's absolutely the reason the Sox don't have an FSl team in Fort Myers. The Twins own the territorial rights and have thus far, been unwilling to allow the Sox to place a team in the Fort.
If I recall correctly from many years back, the Twins did tell the Red Sox they could have a team in the FSL just as long as they didn't have any advertising on the fences.
City of Rosie Palms
Lee commissioners barely approve new lease for Red Sox

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FORT MYERS — It took a split 3-2 vote, but Lee County commissioners late Tuesday morning approved a new 30-year lease with the Boston Red Sox.

Commissioners Brian Bigelow and Frank Mann voted against the new lease. Bigelow expressed fears the move of the team to a new stadium would leave their existing Fort Myers home at City of Palms Park empty.

"I don't want to make a ghost town out of City of Palms," he said.

Mann said he simply sees the deal as too heavily weighted toward the team.

"There's no balance here," he said. "All the plusses are to the benefit of the Sox and all the responsibilities are ours."
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