I mean, if the weather does not cooperate, this could get really, REALLY ugly for MLB. Let's assume rainouts in NY today and tomorrow, and look at the situation:
- Rainouts in NY, (and possibly in Philly as well) are looking very likely for today and tomorrow. This means that at LEAST one of the Mets or Phillies are probably going to have to play a game on Monday, and possibly Tuesday. If this is the case, the earliest a tiebreaker with the Brewers could happen is Tuesday. God forbid there's a three-way tie, the Mets and Philles have to play FIRST, and THEN the next day the loser has to play the Brewers.
- The Mets have used up their allotment of day-night DH's and so it may not be as simple as having the Mets play DH's.
- Remember, the Mets can't just play three games on Sunday. Assuming rainouts today and tomorrrow, the Mets have to play at least one game on Monday, which means any possible tiebreaker games don't take place until Tuesday at the earliest. Even if it WAS Tuesday, are you going to make the winning team go on the road to start a playoff series the day after? The only possible way to avoid this that I can imagine is to FORCE the Mets to go play in another stadium tomorrow (Saturday). This would only work if it was Saturday, because again, they can't play 3 games on Sunday. So MLB, on less than 24 hour notice, would tell the Mets (and Marlins) to pack up, get on a plane and go play somewhere else and then either ALSO play there on Sunday (and lose another home game) or after the game pack up again and head right back to NY to play the Sunday game.
This means that there is at least a decent chance that two of these three teams will have to play a tiebreaker game on Wednesday. Which already means that MLB would have no choice but to push the NLDS back a day. Furthermore, let's say the Mets win a wild-card tiebreaker on a Wednesday. So they will have played 3, maybe 4 games in 4 days, exhausted their pitching staff, and then have to head to Chicago THE NEXT DAY?!?! This would just be CRIMINAL! MLB would be compelled to push the NLDS back another day to Friday.
So, MLB has to pray for one of two things: For the Cubs (with no Zambrano or Harden, and the rest of the staff on very short leashes/pitch counts, and 2-3 AAA players in the lineup every day) to go into Milwaukee and just take care of the Brewers so there will be no tiebreakers needed, or for the weather to cooperate. I don't see either happening. So, MLB should just act RIGHT NOW and announced that one of the NLDS series is hereby pushed back to Friday. I really don't see why this would be so sacrilegious.
EDIT: And don't tell me MLB can't do it, because it actual playoff games are rained out (it HAS been known to happen, you know), they they HAVE to do it! So it's not like the stadiums are booked.
Full Version: MLB is in big, big trouble and they should announce they are pushing back the NLDS right now
Overreaction much?
If it happens it happens. But do you realize how many things have to fall just right, even now? Just because we had a playoff last year doesn't mean they're either common or probable. As likely as not someone's gonna stand up and walk off with the wild card and another with the NL East crown.
If it happens it happens. But do you realize how many things have to fall just right, even now? Just because we had a playoff last year doesn't mean they're either common or probable. As likely as not someone's gonna stand up and walk off with the wild card and another with the NL East crown.
QUOTE(Dojji @ Sep 26 2008, 03:45 PM) 
Overreaction much?
If it happens it happens. But do you realize how many things have to fall just right, even now? Just because we had a playoff last year doesn't mean they're either common or probable. As likely as not someone's gonna stand up and walk off with the wild card and another with the NL East crown.
If it happens it happens. But do you realize how many things have to fall just right, even now? Just because we had a playoff last year doesn't mean they're either common or probable. As likely as not someone's gonna stand up and walk off with the wild card and another with the NL East crown.
But you're not taking into account the [presumably] rained out regular season games. The Mets' suspended games would have to not matter. Even if the Brewers sweep the Cubs the Mets have to play their suspended games until they lose one. Bottom line barring a Brewers or Cubs sweep the Mets almost certainly have to play on Monday. And that's not even taking into account what the Philles do.
Why don't we wait and see if they're actually rained out first?
Jesus man. Chill the fuck out. Weather is unpredictable some times. Stranger things have happened. So they have a playoff game like the Rox vs. Padres did. In your OMG-epic-apocalypse-worst-case scenario, they push it all back.
Our economy is on the brink of collapse, and you are screaming about this? Really? I mean, of all the things to shit yourself over, I would think the possibility of not having a job, or waiting in a soup line would be upsetting. But for you, apparently the possibility of pushing back the NLDS makes you weep.
Viable topic, but cmon. I can think of worse.
Our economy is on the brink of collapse, and you are screaming about this? Really? I mean, of all the things to shit yourself over, I would think the possibility of not having a job, or waiting in a soup line would be upsetting. But for you, apparently the possibility of pushing back the NLDS makes you weep.
Viable topic, but cmon. I can think of worse.
QUOTE(opes @ Sep 26 2008, 04:04 PM)
Jesus man. Chill the fuck out. Weather is unpredictable some times. Stranger things have happened. So they have a playoff game like the Rox vs. Padres did. In your OMG-epic-apocalypse-worst-case scenario, they push it all back.
Our economy is on the brink of collapse, and you are screaming about this? Really? I mean, of all the things to shit yourself over, I would think the possibility of not having a job, or waiting in a soup line would be upsetting. But for you, apparently the possibility of pushing back the NLDS makes you weep.
Viable topic, but cmon. I can think of worse.
Our economy is on the brink of collapse, and you are screaming about this? Really? I mean, of all the things to shit yourself over, I would think the possibility of not having a job, or waiting in a soup line would be upsetting. But for you, apparently the possibility of pushing back the NLDS makes you weep.
Viable topic, but cmon. I can think of worse.
This is the whole point. It's a viable topic on a baseball site and the point is to discuss it, not to scream about it. The possibilities are very interesting. Sorry if the initial post comes off as "screaming." The proper response is to make an argument, i.e. "I disagree with you, I don't believe the current situation as you have concisely explained it merits MLB preemptively pushing back the NLDS." That is all we need to discuss here.
Your post sounded particularly panic-stricken, thus the reaction.
Personally I'm rooting for the Brewers and Phillies to make it and have no October baseball at all in NY. So let the weather do what it will do. Worst case scenario is baseball lasts longer. For me, that's hardly a terrible prospect.
Personally I'm rooting for the Brewers and Phillies to make it and have no October baseball at all in NY. So let the weather do what it will do. Worst case scenario is baseball lasts longer. For me, that's hardly a terrible prospect.
My response is I think you are over-reacting the possibility of it occurring, and your initial post is about as coherent as a Palin/Couric interview.
On-topic and not hysterical....
What is this "allotment of day night doubleheaders" you speak of.
Assuming it exists (and I assume, that since you mentioned it, that such a thing does exist), I would also assume that it can be waived/voided/avoided etc. Just as the umpires control rainouts even before the game in a visiting team's last visit to a city (as opposed to the home team, which usually does), I'd suspect that where the end of season/playoffs are implicated, whatever scheduling issues there are --up to and including network exclusivity for time windows-- are probably null and void.
Assuming no games today....
...I'd bet that everybody will be able to play 1, starting by 10PM Saturday night, especially in NY. And you know that they'll start a game at 10 or even 11PM under these circumstances.
Everybody will be able to play 2 on Sunday.
Remain calm. All is well.
What is this "allotment of day night doubleheaders" you speak of.
Assuming it exists (and I assume, that since you mentioned it, that such a thing does exist), I would also assume that it can be waived/voided/avoided etc. Just as the umpires control rainouts even before the game in a visiting team's last visit to a city (as opposed to the home team, which usually does), I'd suspect that where the end of season/playoffs are implicated, whatever scheduling issues there are --up to and including network exclusivity for time windows-- are probably null and void.
Assuming no games today....
...I'd bet that everybody will be able to play 1, starting by 10PM Saturday night, especially in NY. And you know that they'll start a game at 10 or even 11PM under these circumstances.
Everybody will be able to play 2 on Sunday.
Remain calm. All is well.
Its situations like this that make me wish there were requirements for new stadiums to have retractable roofs. Theres enough money flowing through to do so and it would go a long way towards avoiding messes like this in the future.
QUOTE(redsoxedmunds24 @ Sep 26 2008, 04:43 PM)
Its situations like this that make me wish there were requirements for new stadiums to have retractable roofs. Theres enough money flowing through to do so and it would go a long way towards avoiding messes like this in the future.
Yes, because it makes tremendous sense to spend an extra few hundred million on a stadium for the once every 2 or 3 billion years that a "situation like this" WHICH HASN'T EVEN HAPPENED YET happens.
The Mets are "out" of thier allotment of day/night doubleheaders? Who set a limit on the allotment?
If it's MLB, then I am sure they can make an exception.
Is it the union? If so, a little padding the players paychecks who are playing solves this problem pretty quick.
Dude... this isn't really a big deal. Say they Mets games get washed out on Fri/Sat. They will play a DH on Sunday and another game on Monday if necessary. If it is still necessary, they can have game 162 on Tuesday.
The Monday game you said "has to be played" will only be played if it is necessary. Not only that but your odd "plan" of mving the NLDS because the Mets pitching staff is burned out will simply not happen.
MLB actually bought themselves an extra day this year with the playoffs starting late. The only organization that is really getting screwed here are the TV people who are trying to set times for this game. Obviously TBS would rather have the Mets get in then the Brewers and if they put that series in a prime spot and it ends up being the Brewers in instead, they could lose some revenue.. but when you consider that they have a an actual serious problem in players using PED's and ruining the legitmacy of an entire era... a couple of rainouts is really NOT a big deal
If it's MLB, then I am sure they can make an exception.
Is it the union? If so, a little padding the players paychecks who are playing solves this problem pretty quick.
Dude... this isn't really a big deal. Say they Mets games get washed out on Fri/Sat. They will play a DH on Sunday and another game on Monday if necessary. If it is still necessary, they can have game 162 on Tuesday.
The Monday game you said "has to be played" will only be played if it is necessary. Not only that but your odd "plan" of mving the NLDS because the Mets pitching staff is burned out will simply not happen.
MLB actually bought themselves an extra day this year with the playoffs starting late. The only organization that is really getting screwed here are the TV people who are trying to set times for this game. Obviously TBS would rather have the Mets get in then the Brewers and if they put that series in a prime spot and it ends up being the Brewers in instead, they could lose some revenue.. but when you consider that they have a an actual serious problem in players using PED's and ruining the legitmacy of an entire era... a couple of rainouts is really NOT a big deal
Its good to even just avoid rainouts and DH's. They do a number on pitchers arms.
Obviously this hasn't happened yet and we likely will not see the worst case scenario but theres going to be some mess that comes out if this even if its simply DH's that put the team that survives at a bit of a competititve disadvantage heading into the division series.
I dunno how much it would cost but I would think hundreds of millions for a roof is a stretch on the price tag.
Obviously this hasn't happened yet and we likely will not see the worst case scenario but theres going to be some mess that comes out if this even if its simply DH's that put the team that survives at a bit of a competititve disadvantage heading into the division series.
I dunno how much it would cost but I would think hundreds of millions for a roof is a stretch on the price tag.
QUOTE(redsoxedmunds24 @ Sep 26 2008, 04:51 PM)
Its good to even just avoid rainouts and DH's. They do a number on pitchers arms.
Obviously this hasn't happened yet and we likely will not see the worst case scenario but theres going to be some mess that comes out if this even if its simply DH's that put the team that survives at a bit of a competititve disadvantage heading into the division series.
I dunno how much it would cost but I would think hundreds of millions for a roof is a stretch on the price tag.
Obviously this hasn't happened yet and we likely will not see the worst case scenario but theres going to be some mess that comes out if this even if its simply DH's that put the team that survives at a bit of a competititve disadvantage heading into the division series.
I dunno how much it would cost but I would think hundreds of millions for a roof is a stretch on the price tag.
I suppose it depends whether they use real shingles on the roof, or maybe some Azek Trimboard.
Or a megatarp...
Hand-wringing aside there is the potential for an enormous clusterfuck here, but it's a pretty remote possibility.
Realistically forget the Astros because everybody isn't getting swept. The Phillies are just about set because at the very least they'll likely win at least 2 from the Nats, and does anyone see the Mets and Brewers sweeping? So you're left with a Brewers/Mets playoff possibility. You'd have to think MLB and the umps will do absolutely everything in their power to get a game in on Saturday at Shea, and then there you go, playoff on Monday if you need it. No biggie.
Unless the Nats win 2 in Philly. Then we could have problems.
Hand-wringing aside there is the potential for an enormous clusterfuck here, but it's a pretty remote possibility.
Realistically forget the Astros because everybody isn't getting swept. The Phillies are just about set because at the very least they'll likely win at least 2 from the Nats, and does anyone see the Mets and Brewers sweeping? So you're left with a Brewers/Mets playoff possibility. You'd have to think MLB and the umps will do absolutely everything in their power to get a game in on Saturday at Shea, and then there you go, playoff on Monday if you need it. No biggie.
Unless the Nats win 2 in Philly. Then we could have problems.
On the Day/Night Doubleheader issue....
Yes, the Mets are out of their allotment. Which will mean that they will have to have a "regular" Doubleheader... you know, one admission, two games. Everyone remembers those, don't they.
In other words, if Friday and Saturday are rained out, their will be a doubleheader on Sunday. The Mets just won't make as much money as they would have.
Yes, the Mets are out of their allotment. Which will mean that they will have to have a "regular" Doubleheader... you know, one admission, two games. Everyone remembers those, don't they.
In other words, if Friday and Saturday are rained out, their will be a doubleheader on Sunday. The Mets just won't make as much money as they would have.
QUOTE(Cuzittt @ Sep 26 2008, 06:06 PM)
On the Day/Night Doubleheader issue....
Yes, the Mets are out of their allotment. Which will mean that they will have to have a "regular" Doubleheader... you know, one admission, two games. Everyone remembers those, don't they.
In other words, if Friday and Saturday are rained out, their will be a doubleheader on Sunday. The Mets just won't make as much money as they would have.
Yes, the Mets are out of their allotment. Which will mean that they will have to have a "regular" Doubleheader... you know, one admission, two games. Everyone remembers those, don't they.
In other words, if Friday and Saturday are rained out, their will be a doubleheader on Sunday. The Mets just won't make as much money as they would have.
Just curious...in that scenario is it the Sunday ticketholders that get in to the game and then are the Saturday ticketholders refunded, like in the case of a game 4 ALDS not being played because of a sweep? Seems like that's what would happen.
QUOTE(Kdelle @ Sep 26 2008, 06:19 PM)
Just curious...in that scenario is it the Sunday ticketholders that get in to the game and then are the Saturday ticketholders refunded, like in the case of a game 4 ALDS not being played because of a sweep? Seems like that's what would happen.
I don't know the Mets ticket policies, but I would assume so.
Big big trouble???
LMAO. You must be taking some side drama courses while you're studying law in Michigan...
LMAO. You must be taking some side drama courses while you're studying law in Michigan...
QUOTE(nycdoc999 @ Sep 26 2008, 03:23 PM)
Big big trouble???
LMAO. You must be taking some side drama courses while you're studying law in Michigan...
LMAO. You must be taking some side drama courses while you're studying law in Michigan...
Ambulance chaser? Sorry about the piling on.
Well, the weather in NYC tonight is actually okay. They'll get tonight in and play 2 on Sunday. Stand down red alert.
You're worried that rainouts might force MLB to push back the NLDS, and so you suggest that MLB should try pushing back the NLDS instead. Kudos for thinking outside the box, I guess.
nm.
QUOTE(mandurro @ Sep 26 2008, 03:43 PM)
I mean, if the weather does not cooperate, this could get really, REALLY ugly for MLB. Let's assume rainouts in NY today and tomorrow, and look at the situation:
- Rainouts in NY, (and possibly in Philly as well) are looking very likely for today and tomorrow.
- Rainouts in NY, (and possibly in Philly as well) are looking very likely for today and tomorrow.
Phillies-8, Nats-4
Florida-6, Mets-1
And that is why don't overreact...
QUOTE(redsoxedmunds24 @ Sep 26 2008, 09:51 PM)
Its good to even just avoid rainouts and DH's. They do a number on pitchers arms.
Obviously this hasn't happened yet and we likely will not see the worst case scenario but theres going to be some mess that comes out if this even if its simply DH's that put the team that survives at a bit of a competititve disadvantage heading into the division series.
I dunno how much it would cost but I would think hundreds of millions for a roof is a stretch on the price tag.
Obviously this hasn't happened yet and we likely will not see the worst case scenario but theres going to be some mess that comes out if this even if its simply DH's that put the team that survives at a bit of a competititve disadvantage heading into the division series.
I dunno how much it would cost but I would think hundreds of millions for a roof is a stretch on the price tag.
Safeco: $517 million
AT&T: $325 million
Guess what the difference is?
QUOTE(mandurro @ Sep 26 2008, 02:51 PM)
But you're not taking into account the [presumably] rained out regular season games. The Mets' suspended games would have to not matter. Even if the Brewers sweep the Cubs the Mets have to play their suspended games until they lose one. Bottom line barring a Brewers or Cubs sweep the Mets almost certainly have to play on Monday. And that's not even taking into account what the Philles do.
Don't you have enough to worry about at Michigan Law School - what with sandwiches being stolen right out of the fridges - without worrying about the NLDS.
MLB would have been in "Big, Big Trouble" if they over reacted and pushed things back without need. Among other things, there are TV commitments and ticket holders to consider. That's not to say that things don't get pushed back if needed, but you can't push the panic button. As little as MLB seems to get right at times, I'm sure that they have a Plan A, Plan B, and Plan C in place just in case.
Other baseball historians can correct me, but I think the last time we had anywhere near a pennant race apacolypse was in 1933, when a torrential noreaster washed out about 2 weeks of September.
So yeah, a 75 year stretch between that is pretty good.
So yeah, a 75 year stretch between that is pretty good.
QUOTE(mandurro @ Sep 26 2008, 03:43 PM)
- Rainouts in NY, (and possibly in Philly as well) are looking very likely for today and tomorrow.
Mets-2
Florida-0
Phillies-3
Nats-1 (bot 9)
And that is why we don't overreact...
If anyone's going to have an issue (albeit a fairly minor one), it could be the White Sox/Twins. I just noticed the Tigers and White Sox have a game scheduled for Monday that's a make-up from the clusterfuck of a series in mid-September (presumably will only be played if necessary). If after that game the Chisox end up tied with the Twins, the tiebreaker would be Tuesday.
Again, minor issue and not CRIMINAL or ?!?!-worthy by any stretch, but could be annoying for the Twins if it plays out this way. They play their final game at home Sunday, have a day off, then would travel to Chicago Tuesday, then potentially start the ALDS in Tampa on Thursday. That would be a pretty hectic stretch, and needless to say, advantage Tampa.
Again, minor issue and not CRIMINAL or ?!?!-worthy by any stretch, but could be annoying for the Twins if it plays out this way. They play their final game at home Sunday, have a day off, then would travel to Chicago Tuesday, then potentially start the ALDS in Tampa on Thursday. That would be a pretty hectic stretch, and needless to say, advantage Tampa.
Well, I looked at the weather for Flushing tommorow and it sounds like there could be some Thunderstorms. We will see.
At least Monday looks good if there's a one game playoff.
At least Monday looks good if there's a one game playoff.
Kinda funny reading this thread now..
Uh, would it? Granted, predicting these things is an inexact science - either it hurts a team, or it's actually OK. But why would it not be OK?
The Twins have a guaranteed off day today. If they have to go to Chicago, it's an hour long flight. They have a big game to play. If they win, why would they necessarily be worse off than the Rays? The Rays haven't played an important baseball game for a week. OK, they line up their rotation, but there's psychological issues (they've all had a week to mull over how the playoffs are, how most of them have never played a big game like that before, etc) and there's the fact they might be a little rusty because they just haven't done anything lately. Meanwhile the Twins have more experience and have been playing in big games everyday for two weeks.
It could very easily work out the other way.
QUOTE(LateRally @ Sep 28 2008, 02:03 AM)
If anyone's going to have an issue (albeit a fairly minor one), it could be the White Sox/Twins. I just noticed the Tigers and White Sox have a game scheduled for Monday that's a make-up from the clusterfuck of a series in mid-September (presumably will only be played if necessary). If after that game the Chisox end up tied with the Twins, the tiebreaker would be Tuesday.
Again, minor issue and not CRIMINAL or ?!?!-worthy by any stretch, but could be annoying for the Twins if it plays out this way. They play their final game at home Sunday, have a day off, then would travel to Chicago Tuesday, then potentially start the ALDS in Tampa on Thursday. That would be a pretty hectic stretch, and needless to say, advantage Tampa.
Again, minor issue and not CRIMINAL or ?!?!-worthy by any stretch, but could be annoying for the Twins if it plays out this way. They play their final game at home Sunday, have a day off, then would travel to Chicago Tuesday, then potentially start the ALDS in Tampa on Thursday. That would be a pretty hectic stretch, and needless to say, advantage Tampa.
Uh, would it? Granted, predicting these things is an inexact science - either it hurts a team, or it's actually OK. But why would it not be OK?
The Twins have a guaranteed off day today. If they have to go to Chicago, it's an hour long flight. They have a big game to play. If they win, why would they necessarily be worse off than the Rays? The Rays haven't played an important baseball game for a week. OK, they line up their rotation, but there's psychological issues (they've all had a week to mull over how the playoffs are, how most of them have never played a big game like that before, etc) and there's the fact they might be a little rusty because they just haven't done anything lately. Meanwhile the Twins have more experience and have been playing in big games everyday for two weeks.
It could very easily work out the other way.
Sure that's entirely possible as well. Some were saying this might have been why the Rockies came out flat in the WS last year (reality is probably that they were facing a dramatically better team for the first time all playoffs).
Re: Twins, I just think there's more than an average possibility they'll stumble this week, if not tonight then in Tampa. Whether it's having to wait a day after the end of the regular season to find out their fate, or being on the road, or facing a superior Tampa team, or none of the above. Could be nothing more than a hunch on my part, and a wrong one at that. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Re: Twins, I just think there's more than an average possibility they'll stumble this week, if not tonight then in Tampa. Whether it's having to wait a day after the end of the regular season to find out their fate, or being on the road, or facing a superior Tampa team, or none of the above. Could be nothing more than a hunch on my part, and a wrong one at that. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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