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Hairps
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It was also announced that pitcher Clay Buchholz will be going to the Arizona Fall League for a month on the plan of throwing approximately 25 innings. Other members of the Red Sox organization who will participate in the AFL are first baseman Aaron Bates, outfielder Josh Reddick, catcher Mark Wagner, and pitchers T.J. Large, Ryne Lawson, and Beau Vaughan

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DieHard3
QUOTE(Hairps @ Sep 18 2008, 10:18 PM) *


Merry Christmas to whoever gets to manage him. That should be 25 well above average innings.

Beau Vaughn and Reddick will be interesting to watch.
dylanmarsh
Nice. I think I'll actually hit a couple games this fall.
Dojji
Mmm. It's been my experience that pitchers are sent to the AFL to "work on something" rather than to actually pitch with their best stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't see much of the curve and change. Buchholz will be there mostly to work on the fastball.
tenthman
QUOTE(Hairps @ Sep 18 2008, 10:18 PM) *

He definitely will benefit from some extra work with an eye towards stretching him out and extending his season for possible future post-season play.
BoSox Rule
What? You think you're going to see Buchholz again? Maybe if you frequently attend AFL games.
OCD SS
I think he's referring to the 2009 playoffs. Unfortunately Clay is going to require more innings than he will pitch in the AFL to even get past his 2007 IP total.
Hairps
AFL starts today.

BP's Kevin Goldstein:

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3. Weren't these guys supposed to be impact pitchers by now?

Clay Buchholz (Scorpions) and Philip Hughes (Javelinas) were both seen as future aces and players who should be established parts, if not star-level performers, in the rotations of the Red Sox and Yankees. For Buchholz, it's a matter of mechanics that fell apart as he went 2-9 for Boston this year with a 6.75 ERA in 16 games. That said, there is some semblance of hope, as he ended the year with a pair of dominant starts for Double-A Portland, allowing just seven hits in 15 innings while walking one and striking out 18. For Hughes, it's more of an inability to stay healthy, but as with Buchholz there were some signs of life toward the end of the year, notably a pair of late-season outings for the Yankees, he allowed just nine hits over 12 innings while striking out ten. With solid performances in the desert, both could be lined up for another opportunity to begin the season in the big leagues, and both of them still have tremendous potential.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8171
dylanmarsh
A couple friends went to Clay's first start in the AFL tonight and said he was dominant in the 3 innings he worked. I'm going to try and hit one of his starts and will report on it.
Hairps
10/10/08:

3 IP | 0 H | 0R | 3/1 K/BB
xjack
Any chance they sent Clay to the AFL in part as a hedge against the possibility that they might need him in the playoffs?

If Beckett is done for the playoffs -- and it sure looks like his useless -- Buchholz is the only pitcher the Sox have who's both still pitching and capable of providing the Sox with above-average innings.
NYCSox
From Law's AFL blog yesterday:

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Boston right-hander Clay Buchholz worked three strong innings on Friday, amping it up to 93-96 with good command for the first inning, after which he lost the handle briefly, recovering for a solid third inning. Both secondary pitches remain well above-average, although it was clear he was there to work on fastball command, as he threw predominantly heaters.


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Blacken
QUOTE(xjack @ Oct 13 2008, 10:51 AM) *
Any chance they sent Clay to the AFL in part as a hedge against the possibility that they might need him in the playoffs?

If Beckett is done for the playoffs -- and it sure looks like his useless -- Buchholz is the only pitcher the Sox have who's both still pitching and capable of providing the Sox with above-average innings.
Right now, saying he's capable of above-average innings is a big stretch.
Hairps
10/16/08:

5 IP | 0 R | 1 H | 4/1 K/BB
mabrowndog
MLB.com wrapup

Gameday Box Score

He threw 61 pitches with 38 strikes and 23 balls. The Surprise Rafters lineup included CF Julio Borbon (Rangers' 1st rounder in '07), 3B Wes Hodges (Indians' #4 BA prospect), LF Nolan Reimold (Orioles' #4 BA prospect), C Matt Wieters (Orioles 1st rounder in '07, #5 overall, and their #1 BA prospect), DH Chad Tracy (Jim's kid, and the Rangers' 3rd rounder in '06), 1B Brandon Snyder (Orioles' 1st rounder in '05 and their #6 BA prospect), RF Joe Dickerson (Royals' 4th rounder in '05), 2B Josh Rodriguez (Indians' 2nd rounder in '06), and SS Chris McConnell (Royals' 9th rounder in '04).

So far that's 8 scoreless innings with 1 hit, 2 walks and 7 Ks. Obviously this is a positive sign for his command and control issues, but bear in mind that none of these guys have ever played above AA ball, so despite their collective talent tossing a 5-inning 1-hitter at them isn't necessarily something to hang your hat on.
RoDaddy
I would think the Sox would go to Hansack before Buchholz.

Buck's WHIP so far is 0.38! On the flip side, Reddick has struggled. He has an AFL blog going:
http://aflredsox.mlblogs.com/archives/2008...first_week.html
bob burda
This will never happen - but if the Sox advance and Beckett can no longer pitch, the Sox would have to send both Byrd and Wake out to start in the WS - I would then be tempted to call Buchholz up, give him some Inderall (a beta-blocker that musicians take off-label for stage fright - and available by prescription) or some other anxiolitic drug (Greinke takes meds for his mental health, right?) and send him out there on the theory that it won't be worse. What the hell - he just might be able to throw his dominating stuff for strikes....I know, I know...it will never happen.

Hairps
10/22/08:

4.3 IP | 4 R | 7 H | 2/1 K/BB
ookami7m
I may go catch a game on Wednesday, what are the odds that Clay is pitching? I can't sort out a rotation on their site...
czar
QUOTE(ookami7m @ Oct 27 2008, 05:57 PM) *
I may go catch a game on Wednesday, what are the odds that Clay is pitching? I can't sort out a rotation on their site...


According to MiLB, he'll be pitching Wednesday on 6 days rest.
czar
10/29/08:

5 IP | 1 R | 5 H | 3/2 K/BB
Corsi Combover
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A veteran scout from another major league team, who requested anonymity, followed Scottsdale for two weeks and provided these reports on the four most prominent Sox prospects:

Clay Buchholz

2008 (Portland and Pawtucket): 11 games, 2008 5-2, 2.30

2008 Red Sox 2-9, 6.75 in 16 games

Arizona Fall League: 4 games, 1-1, 2.60

“I think he’s gained some of his swagger back. He lost some confidence during the year, but his velocity was back. He was throwing 91-95, and was free and easy. He had a dominant curveball and a plus change. He didn’t need his slider. He looked focused on the mound. It looked to me like his arm slot was the same as it used to be, with a high three-quarters release, which adds to the depth of his breaking ball. This guy has three plus pitches and should be a front-of-the-rotation starter. His ceiling is very high. Some people were worried about his makeup and arm, but he seemed fine here.”
Source: http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/column...p;position=also
SoxScout
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Yesterday was not Buchholz’s best outing of the fall — he allowed four runs on five hits in 3 2/3 innings while walking four and fanning five in an 11-7 Scottsdale loss to Peo Saguaros – but Epstein was still encouraged by what Buchholz accomplished in his 21 fall innings.

“As a whole,” said Epstein, “it was a constructive development time. I think he regained his confidence, his stuff was crisp and he tweaked his delivery out of the stretch. We’re very glad he went (to the AFL). It allowed him to write a little different ending to his season.”

Overall, Buchholz finished 1-2 with a 3.86 ERA in five outings.

“His shoulder is extremely strong,” said Epstein, noting that wasn’t the case at the end of the 2007 season. “He’s one of the strongest, most durable pitchers in the organization, because he’s dedicated himself (to the team’s prescribed shoulder-strengthening program).”
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/r...izona-stopover/
Smiling Joe Hesketh
In his last three starts in the AFL, Buchholz went 0-2 and in 13 innings, allowed 9 runs on 17 hits, 7 walks, and 10 strikeouts.

Not good.
OnBaseMachine
QUOTE(Smiling Joe Hesketh @ Nov 7 2008, 01:06 PM) *
In his last three starts in the AFL, Buchholz went 0-2 and in 13 innings, allowed 9 runs on 17 hits, 7 walks, and 10 strikeouts.

Not good.


I know we generally like striking, positive statistics...

In my view the AFL is about more than just performance for some of the better players. Winter league can be like that too. It's great to perform well, especially for a guy who is looking to break into the majors. For a guy like Buchholz, part of his goal is also getting to work with pitches in game situations which are hard to come by!

It looks like Buchholz was more comfortable in game situations, got to work with his pitches and while one can certainly be disappointed in the results, the over-all value of the AFL has nothing to do with his statistical readout. At least not from the Red Sox point of view.

But it is true that I would have been a lot happier if your post had read:

"In his last three starts in the AFL, Buchholz went 3-0 in 18 innings with 2 runs allowed on 3 infield hits, 3 walks and 20 strikeouts.

Good news!"



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