drtooth
Sep 1 2008, 01:30 PM
Explanantion of roster movesQUOTE
Following the game today, the Rays optioned Juan Salas to Montgomery. They also recalled Jae Kuk Ryu from Durham and placed him on the 15-day disabled list (he’s been out since July after undergoing elbow surgery). That DL move gave them room to recall Perez, and also gives them another spot to play with when it comes to adding a guy to the postseason roster who is not on the active roster before tonight’s deadline.
I believe they’ll be able to bring Salas right back on Tuesday becuase Montgomery’s season is over, but we’ll check that on an upcoming conference call with Andrew Friedman.
Updating, 9:20: Friedman said the Rays do indeed expect Salas to be back Tuesday (along with Troy Percival), and they also will recall catcher John Jaso from Durham that day. That will be the end of the call-ups until Durham is done unless someone else is needed because of an injury in the meantime.
One more update, 9:30: The Rays have released catcher Mike DiFelice. Shows what I know, eh? The explanation, by the way, for why Jaso over DiFelice was the Rays really don’t anticipate using the third catcher much at all, and most likely as an extra bat off the bench as much as anything…
Updating again, 9:40: Why Perez over, say, Jonny Gomes? Sounds like defense might have been the overriding factor.
“We felt like he’s got a unique skill set that if we wanted to go that way would help diversify us a little bit,” Friedman said of Perez. “Obviously with injuries and anything else, we still have the ability to replace different guys, and with two guys on the DL in Orvella and Ryu, that will give us, in our opinion, all the roster flexibility we would need if we wanted to add anyone else.”
To recap on the rules there, the Rays would be able to add anyone who was in the organization as of midnight tonight to their postseason roster to replace an injured player. With both Orvella and Ryu now on the big-league DL, they essentially have two free spots to use on players who aren’t active right now—such as David Price—if they want to use them in the playoffs.
So, here’s where it stands right now: For Tuesday’s game, the Rays expect to have Perez, Salas and Jaso all active in addition to Troy Percival, who will come off the 15-day DL. Any other moves will wait until Durham is done unless an injury or a particularly tough stretch for the bullpen warrants reinforcements
Could mean Price could possibly be on the post-season roster.
Edit: Figured this would be a good starting point for a new thread
rembrat
Sep 1 2008, 03:39 PM
What has gotten into Willy Aybar ever since Evan Longoria hit the DL? He is hitting .314/.385/.500, 8 out of his 22 hits for XBH, 7/10 BB/SO and 9 RsBI while taking over 3B. The Rays are just having one of those years where everything is going right.
sachmoney
Sep 2 2008, 05:58 PM
Percival Activated from 15 day DLQUOTE
The Tampa Bay Rays activated closer Troy Percival from the 15-day disabled list before Tuesday night's game against the New York Yankees.
The 38-year-old right-hander, sidelined because of cartilage damage in his right knee, had been out since Aug. 14, when he limped off the mound after fielding a ninth-inning bunt at Oakland.
The Rays also recalled right-handed reliever Juan Salas from Double-A Montgomery and catcher John Jaso from Triple-A Durham.
drtooth
Sep 3 2008, 07:41 AM
Yanks top Tampa 7-2.
Matt Garza (11-8)--5 IP, 5 H, 6 R, 4 ER, 1 BB 2 K. Cliff Floyd and Shawn Riggans drove in the Rays runs.
Wake's knuckle
Sep 3 2008, 08:22 AM
I just noticed that the Rays have exactly one off day from now until the end of the season... and it'll be on the road, since it's in between a road series in Boston and another one in New York.
Actually, their schedule is quite brutal: 17 road games out of 26 with the afore mentioned single off-day. You'd have to think they'd wear down... but you'd also have to think that Francona is aiming wild card and fresher players rather than tired division winners...
polack
Sep 3 2008, 04:56 PM
I think the sox still have a chance of overtaking them due to their schedule
TanGeng
Sep 3 2008, 06:08 PM
I think the sox have a good chance of overtaking them because of Sox offense and pitching is rounding into form and because of the Sox schedule - lots of games at home and games against the Rays. I think the Rays are going to end up in the 97 wins area. So it's up to the Sox to overtake them.
But really winning the division isn't important as getting the entire A team healthy. We don't want to go into the off-season with several members of our B team.
drtooth
Sep 3 2008, 09:49 PM
Rays fall 8-4 to NY
Edwin Jackson (11-9) is shelled in 3.1 innings (10 H, 6 R, 1 BB, 2 K). Gabe Gross hit a 2-run HR and Tampa also got RBI from Cliff Floyd and Akinori Iwamura.
rajendra82
Sep 4 2008, 09:36 AM
QUOTE(Wake @ Sep 3 2008, 09:22 AM)

I just noticed that the Rays have exactly one off day from now until the end of the season... and it'll be on the road, since it's in between a road series in Boston and another one in New York.
Actually, their schedule is quite brutal: 17 road games out of 26 with the afore mentioned single off-day. You'd have to think they'd wear down... but you'd also have to think that Francona is aiming wild card and fresher players rather than tired division winners...
Unfortunately this part of the Rays schedule gives them a long break:
Sept 22 @ BAL
Sept 23 @ BAL Game 1
Sept 23 @ BAL Game 2
Sept 24 @ BAL
4 games in 3 days against Baltimore for the Rays is just brutal (for the Red Sox, that is).
jayhoz
Sep 4 2008, 12:21 PM
After hearing some of the attendance numbers from their broadcasts I was surprised that this turnaround season hasn't brought more fans out to the ballpark. After looking over the numbers it seems that only the Red Sox, Interleague, weekends, and to a much lesser extent the yankees can lure more than ~15,000 people to Tropicana field.
Sad.
Edit - They have drawn a total of ~389,000 more fans to the park than at this point last year, or about 2,800 people per game.
JimD
Sep 4 2008, 03:50 PM
A quick search of the Rays website showed that tickets for tonight's game are still readily available. There's really no excuse for their so-called fans not to show up and support this club.
drtooth
Sep 4 2008, 09:38 PM
Rays take finale from Yankees 7-5.
Scott Kazmir gets the win to go to 11-6 (6 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 5 BB, 7 K). Rays race out to a 7-0 and then Jason Hammel then proceeds to give up 5 in the 9th. Dan Wheeler recorded the final out for the save. Willy Aybar went 2 for 4 with a HR and 3 RBI. Dioner Navarro went 4 for 5.
LateRally
Sep 5 2008, 10:19 AM
Don't know if anyone noticed, but with the Rays' win last night, coupled with the Cubs' 5th straight loss, the Rays now have the best record in all of baseball. Unbe-f'n-lievable.
I am an Idiot
Sep 5 2008, 04:17 PM
[HIJACK]
My birthday is on Wednesday the 10th, and I'm going to be at the Sox/Rays game. Any idea what the pitching matchup might be?
...sorry, ahead of time.
[/HIJACK]
schmooman
Sep 5 2008, 04:25 PM
QUOTE(I am an Idiot @ Sep 5 2008, 05:17 PM)

[HIJACK]
My birthday is on Wednesday the 10th, and I'm going to be at the Sox/Rays game. Any idea what the pitching matchup might be?
...sorry, ahead of time.
[/HIJACK]
Sonnanstine vs. Beckett. It's an ESPN game so have fun with the long breaks between innings..
Edit - I can't spell Sonnanstine.
sachmoney
Sep 5 2008, 04:33 PM
Andy Sonnanstine can tie the club record for wins if he wins tonight. Who holds the record? None other than old friend (friend?) Rolando Arrojo. I just thought it was funny.
Like I said in a gamethread in the Sox forum, I've never given up on the division. As long as we have those six games head to head, we have a chance. With the way we're playing, we definitely have a shot. Hopefully the Jays can be a thorn in the Rays side, instead of ours for once.
Rough Carrigan
Sep 5 2008, 08:34 PM
Balking on every pitch, B.J. Ryan hangs on by his fingernails giving up a run in the 9th and striking out Carlos Pena with men on 2nd and third with his 89 mph heat. Rays now have 54 losses.
drtooth
Sep 5 2008, 08:38 PM
Andy Sonnanstine gets the loss (13-7)--- 6 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 1 BB, 3 K. Grant Balfour gave up a big 2-run HR to Alex Rios in the 8th. BJ Upton and Willy Aybar each had 2 hits.
Rough Carrigan
Sep 5 2008, 08:41 PM
Is it just me or is Maddon working their best couple relievers hard? Really hard.
hi neighbor
Sep 5 2008, 08:55 PM
QUOTE(sachmoney @ Sep 5 2008, 05:33 PM)

Andy Sonnanstine can tie the club record for wins if he wins tonight. Who holds the record? None other than old friend (friend?) Rolando Arrojo. I just thought it was funny.
Like I said in a gamethread in the Sox forum, I've never given up on the division. As long as we have those six games head to head, we have a chance. With the way we're playing, we definitely have a shot. Hopefully the Jays can be a thorn in the Rays side, instead of ours for once.
The real TRays have returned. Some one on this board once described the old Drays as bottom feeding scum eaters. Prolonged exposure to tonight's Rays performance can cause growth mutations. With a two run early lead, Sonnanstine threw 1st pitch balls to almost every batter. Upton made a poor decision to dive for a ball in the 2nd inning. He never touched it, so it went for a hit and scored two runs. With the bases loaded in the 7th and one out, a TRay runner was caught in a run down. They pulled within a run and coughed up two in the bottom half of the inning. Things seemed like the old Rays. Bad way to start a Toronto-Bos-NYY road trip.
PedroiaSalsa
Sep 6 2008, 04:25 PM
Walk-off grand slam by Greg Zaun in the 13th! Rays lose!
scotian1
Sep 6 2008, 04:48 PM
After blowing a 3-0 lead in the 9th courtesy of BJ Ryan, I had little hope the Jays would pull this out. Even less when the Rays scored a go ahead run in the top of the 13th. Narrow that lead to 1.5 tonight Sox!
Doctor G
Sep 6 2008, 06:13 PM
Maddon is going to have to roll the dice with his bullpen. Percival obviously was not ready to return to the closer role.
drtooth
Sep 6 2008, 07:10 PM
There have been a few short outings recently by Rays' starters, which appears to be cooking the pen.
8/29 vs O's-Kazmir 5.1 IP
8/30 vs O's-Sonnanstine 3.1 IP
8/31 vs O's-Shields 7 IP
9/2 vs NYY-Garza 5 IP
9/3 vs NYY-Jackson 3.1 IP
9/4 vs NYY-Kazmir 6 IP
9/5 vs Jays-Sonnanstine 6 IP
9/6 vs Jays-Shields 8 IP
Other than Shields, the starters have been significantly taxing the pen as of late. The Sox will not see Shields this week
Quakes
Sep 6 2008, 11:47 PM
Too bad my rays lost:(
nycdoc999
Sep 7 2008, 02:32 PM
Rays lose again today, this time 1-0.
drtooth
Sep 7 2008, 04:17 PM
From MLB gamegay wrap
QUOTE
Right-hander Matt Garza allowed one run and six hits while striking out seven over seven strong innings, but the Rays were blanked by the Blue Jays. B.J. Upton collected three hits, while Willy Aybar had two for Tampa Bay.
RingoOSU
Sep 7 2008, 04:21 PM
QUOTE(Quakes @ Sep 6 2008, 11:47 PM)

Too bad my rays lost:(
Ha ha!
(Nelson Muntz point)
Quakes
Sep 7 2008, 07:11 PM
At least I aint the Dead Sux
dewystoetap
Sep 7 2008, 07:37 PM
The Rays have fooled me several times this year, most notably the 7 game losing streak at the all-star break. The Sox have been stepping up as of late and I hope this time the Rays coming back to reality is for real.
cwright
Sep 7 2008, 07:47 PM
QUOTE(Quakes @ Sep 7 2008, 08:11 PM)

At least I aint the Dead Sux
Thanks so much for adding real quality to the discussion...
So with their loss today, the Rays are now 1-5 in the month of September. They've scored 21 runs in 6 games (3.5 runs per game) and allowed 34 runs (5.7 runs per game).
The goats (stats from last 7 days):
Hinske: .167/.211/.222 (and a number of lousy defensive plays, though no errors listed)
Ruggiano: 0/7 with 5 K over 3 games
Aybar: .273/.385/.409 but 1 CS and 2 errors
Garza: 5 IP, 5 H, 6 R (4 ER)
Hammel: 3.1 IP, 7 H, 7 R (6 ER), 3 HR
Jackson: 3.1 IP, 10 H, 6 ER
Percival: 1.1 IP, 4 H, 6 ER, 2 HR, 2 BB, 0 K
Barbara
Sep 7 2008, 08:05 PM
BJ Upton has been playing in
pain and will have off-season surgery.
QUOTE
Upton has a torn labrum in his left shoulder. It prevents him from swinging the bat with authority. It caused the shoulder to pop out of its socket in May, and it will require him to have surgery in the offseason.
QUOTE
The pain is manageable. The bigger issue is that it has become a hindrance to his swing. The shoulder is weaker and, because of the tear, Upton, 24, has to worry every full extension could lead to a dislocation that might end his season.
Upton bats and throws right.
Buckner's Boots
Sep 7 2008, 10:29 PM
QUOTE(Barbara @ Sep 7 2008, 09:05 PM)

BJ Upton has been playing in
pain and will have off-season surgery.
Upton bats and throws right.
Okaaay... Swinging a bat effectively requires more than just one good side (though I've seen some pretty good one-handed wiffleball swings)...unless I'm missing the point entirely...
sachmoney
Sep 7 2008, 11:23 PM
QUOTE(Buckner @ Sep 7 2008, 11:29 PM)

Okaaay... Swinging a bat effectively requires more than just one good side (though I've seen some pretty good one-handed wiffleball swings)...unless I'm missing the point entirely...
You are missing the point entirely I think.
The key part of that was that it was his left shoulder. While yes, you do swing with both arms, the left shoulder for a right handed hitter is important for the follow through. The right arm is more of a guide arm. If your left shoulder is hurting as a right handed hitter, you are probably significantly losing power.
Yazdog8
Sep 8 2008, 02:21 AM
QUOTE(sachmoney @ Sep 7 2008, 09:23 PM)

You are missing the point entirely I think.
The key part of that was that it was his left shoulder. While yes, you do swing with both arms, the left shoulder for a right handed hitter is important for the follow through. The right arm is more of a guide arm. If your left shoulder is hurting as a right handed hitter, you are probably significantly losing power.
I was always taught that your dominant side supplies the power and your lead hand is the guide. So for a right hander, your right hand/arm supplies the power while the left is your guide.
Hmmmm....they don't really say what kind of tear it is, but I'm going to guess it's a SLAP tear of the labrum, which are exceedingly painful:
http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/generalshoulder/a/slap.htmI've actually been playing this year (my last at 40 years of age) with a frayed labrum (from 12 to 7 in the back) in my right shoulder (I'm right handed) and I can tell you with certainty that you feel it with every swing. Misses hurt more than when you make contact. The one big thing I have had to adjust is getting my swing to a point to where I can actually swing without pain, and that usually involves letting go of the bat just after contact and letting the left side take the bat through the swing. I can imagine with Upton having this problem on his left side, it's impossible for him to generate power or let it fly if there is that much pain in his follow through (left side). My problem is the opposite, I can't generate power from my as my right shoulder hurts if I jerk it too hard with the swing.
At this point in the year, it's not going to spontaneously get better for him. He's going to need off season shoulder surgery and if it's as painful as this article suggests, he's nothing more than a slap hitter at this point.
sachmoney
Sep 8 2008, 12:29 PM
QUOTE(Yazdog8 @ Sep 8 2008, 03:21 AM)

I was always taught that your dominant side supplies the power and your lead hand is the guide. So for a right hander, your right hand/arm supplies the power while the left is your guide.
Well, regardless, it would seem that the left shoulder for a right handed batter would be very important in the follow through of a swing, considering there's a very strong pulling action with that shoulder.
Doooweeeey!
Sep 9 2008, 02:13 PM
I thought it interesting that Maddon pinch hit Hinske for Bartlett in the ninth last night. Clearly he wanted a big lefty bat to face Papelbon, and it did actually work out; Hinske singled. However, Bartlett was already 2 for 3 on the night. Wouldn't Maddon have been better off trying to coax another hit out of Bartlett and then PH'ing Hinske for Gross (0 for 3) or Perez (0 for 3)? There were two outs, so they might have been desperate, but down 3-0, the strategy is to get more than one guy on base, THEN try to hit a home run, right? (Floyd was available on the bench as well...)
I don't follow the Rays that closely, but I get the impression that Maddon likes to pull the strings a little. Not sure if this is accurate, but it seems to me that this was a move just for the sake of making a move. I could probably find other instances to back myself up. I saw one reading the boxscores the other day that caught my attention, but the situation escapes me now...
Does anyone else here get this feeling?
drtooth
Sep 9 2008, 02:50 PM
Rays' call-upsQUOTE
UPDATE, 3:15: The Rays have called up Johnson and Hernandez, and to make room on the 40-man roster designated for assignment Joel Guzman. Johnson may start in leftfield tonight.
Johnson spent most of the 2005-07 seasons with the A's, and hit a career high 18 homers last year.
UPDATE, 2:54: Still nothing official from the Rays, but there's reason to expect INF/OF Dan Johnson and C Michel Hernandez to both be joining the team today.
Johnson, acquired in April after being let go by Oakland, had a tremendous season at Durham, hitting .307 with 25 homers and 83 RBIs in 113 games. However, he is primarily a first baseman and DH, playing eight games in the outfield (and 10 at third base).
Both Johnson and Hernandez would have to be added to the 40-man roster.
bob burda
Sep 9 2008, 05:43 PM
QUOTE(Doooweeeey! @ Sep 9 2008, 03:13 PM)

I don't follow the Rays that closely, but I get the impression that Maddon likes to pull the strings a little. Not sure if this is accurate, but it seems to me that this was a move just for the sake of making a move....
Does anyone else here get this feeling?
Wikipedia says Maddon was with the Angels for 31 yrs - which means he was in the organization for Gene Mauch's tours of duty there - and one has to wonder if some of that rubbed off on him. The criticism you raise is one of many that were aimed at Mauch during his career.
drtooth
Sep 10 2008, 03:16 PM
SemperFidelisSox
Sep 12 2008, 11:17 PM
David Price called up.
Evan Longoria in starting lineup Saturday.
Johnny Gomes added to roster.
drtooth
Sep 13 2008, 10:07 AM
Jeff Niemann and Mitch Talbot will join the Rays on Monday.
drtooth
Sep 13 2008, 03:54 PM
Rays rout Yanks 7-1
James Shields with an outstanding effort (8 IP, 5 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 6 K) to go to 13-8. Evan Longoria has 2 hits and 2 RBI in his return. Justin Ruggiano goes 3 for 4 with 2 RBI.
drtooth
Sep 13 2008, 09:22 PM
Rays fall in game 2 of DH 6-5
Rays give up 2 unearned runs in the 7th and a run in the 8th. JP Howell gets the loss. Ben Zobrist hit a 4th inning grand slam and Gabe Gross had 3 hits.
Rough Carrigan
Sep 14 2008, 01:45 PM
David Price made his major league debut against the mfy's today. And it was scary. 97 mph fastball. 88-89 mph Hard biting slider. Good command. Nice fluid pitching motion. Yikes.
drtooth
Sep 14 2008, 06:13 PM
Rays fall 8-4 to NY
Edwin Jackson (11-11) gets shelled in 2 innings (6 H, 6 R, 1 BB, 1 K, 2 HR). David price pitches well in his ML debut (5.1 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 0 BB, 4 K). Fernando Perez hit a 2 inning 3-run HR for the majority of Tampa's offense.
Foulkey Reese
Sep 14 2008, 06:19 PM
QUOTE(Rough Carrigan @ Sep 14 2008, 02:45 PM)

David Price made his major league debut against the mfy's today. And it was scary. 97 mph fastball. 88-89 mph Hard biting slider. Good command. Nice fluid pitching motion. Yikes.
He really seemed to have a Randy Johnson thing going on today. Rays pitching is going to be rock solid for years to come.
Buckner's Boots
Sep 14 2008, 06:45 PM
QUOTE(Foulkey Reese @ Sep 14 2008, 07:19 PM)

He really seemed to have a Randy Johnson thing going on today. Rays pitching is going to be rock solid for years to come.
He will not be eligible for postseason, correct?
cwright
Sep 14 2008, 07:45 PM
QUOTE(Buckner @ Sep 14 2008, 07:45 PM)

He will not be eligible for postseason, correct?
Actually, he can be, since the Rays have two DL spots (Ryu and Orvella). Both guys are on the 60-day DL and out for the season.
drtooth
Sep 16 2008, 04:54 PM
Odds and ends--No Upton yetQUOTE
*CF B.J. Upton (strained left quadriceps) took some swings again today, one day after running on the Tropicana Field turf. Upton said he's "definitely" not ready to be back out in the field, and doesn't know when he'll return to the lineup.
Upton mentioned possibly pinch-hitting, but manager Joe Maddon said he still isn't sure when and if that would happen.
*Speaking of Maddon, he sported a new mohawk of his own today, joining about a half a dozen Rays with the same haircut. Maddon had it cut last night in the name of "unity."
Backup C Shawn Riggans returned after spending several days in the hospital following a surgery to clean up an infected bursa sac. Riggans didn't know if he'd be able to return at all this season, saying that he was merely glad doctors caught the infection when they did, as "it could have been a lot worse."
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