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Nuf Ced
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Other than Ilya Kovalchuk, whose situation with Atlanta remains as much a stalemate as ever, 26-year-old Boston defenseman Nick Boynton remains the most attractive Group II free agent on the restricted market. With the B's facing serious cap issues and therefore holding on their $1.33M qualifier after earlier passing on their $1.9M option, the opportunity is wide open for a competing club to come in with an offer sheet to Boynton, an emerging difference maker.

"I've had a number of conversations with GMs who have expressed interest, but I don't think we're at the point yet where it's advantageous to pull the trigger," Anton Thun, Boynton's agent, told Slap Shots on Friday. "Until Oct. 1, teams have a $3.9M cushion on the $39M cap, so that if an offer sheet were made now, the Bruins would have time and that extra space in which to maneuver.

"But once Oct. 1 hits, there's no give in that number. That's when I think both teams and Nick and I will become more aggressive in pursuing that offer-sheet option. That's the time when there will be urgency."

An offer sheet of up to $2M would entail compensation of a second-round pick for Boynton, who would be a steal at both those prices. And while it is more likely than not that the Bruins would match, doing so would impose severe restrictions on the club's ability to improve by addition — or in the face of a run of injuries — this season. That's all part of it now.

"The Bruins have about two weeks to put their house in order," Thun said. "Once we're in October and the season begins, that will be the time to pull the trigger."


Larry Brooks/NY Post
Marbleheader
QUOTE (Robinson Checo @ Sep 22 2005, 11:09 AM)
For those hockey fans that may have missed, there is a SoSH Fantasy hockey league on yahoo.  League ID# is 56225 and the password is: hansons

Draft is Sunday, Oct 2, 6:45 EST.  About 6 guys already in, can take up to 6 more.
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Nevermind, got it. League ID is 56224
Bdanahy14
Does anyone know of any good hockey statistic sites as well as just good Hockey sites?
DJnVa
Quick question--being down in Virginia, I'm out of the loop on some of the NHL stuff, but driving home from Camden on Saturday, I was able to listen to the 3rd period of the B's game in Manchester. They won 6-2, then I lost the station..when it came back they were doing a shootout. Is there a reason for this? SImply to give teams some practice?
Eddie Jurak
QUOTE (DJnVa @ Sep 26 2005, 01:41 PM)
Quick question--being down in Virginia, I'm out of the loop on some of the NHL stuff, but driving home from Camden on Saturday, I was able to listen to the 3rd period of the B's game in Manchester.  They won 6-2, then I lost the station..when it came back they were doing a shootout.  Is there a reason for this?  SImply to give teams some practice?
Practice.

During the regular season, there will be no more ties - a game that is tied after the 5 minute OT will be deicded by a shootout.
Bdanahy14
QUOTE (DJnVa @ Sep 26 2005, 05:41 PM)
Quick question--being down in Virginia, I'm out of the loop on some of the NHL stuff, but driving home from Camden on Saturday, I was able to listen to the 3rd period of the B's game in Manchester.  They won 6-2, then I lost the station..when it came back they were doing a shootout.  Is there a reason for this?  SImply to give teams some practice?
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Their doing it for every preseason game.. to give the fans a look at it, to build it up, etc. As Don Malone told me, the league is being run by marketing.
A Red Canuck
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Their doing it for every preseason game.. to give the fans a look at it, to build it up, etc. As Don Malone told me, the league is being run by marketing.



It's more than just for the fans' sake. If it's going to play such a significant role in the regular seasons, players and coaches have to get used to it too.
BigMike
QUOTE (Bdanahy14 @ Sep 26 2005, 05:29 PM)
Does anyone know of any good hockey statistic sites as well as just good Hockey sites?
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Don't know any statistics sites, but in terms of good sites, go to hockeysFuture, especially the message board at
www.hfboards.com

I know serveral of us on the board go there. It's probably the best place for hockey talk, and to see what is on the fans mind for every team
redinchicago
QUOTE (Bdanahy14 @ Sep 26 2005, 11:29 AM)
Does anyone know of any good hockey statistic sites as well as just good Hockey sites?
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http://www.hockeydb.com/
Smiling Joe Hesketh
QUOTE (Bdanahy14 @ Sep 26 2005, 01:29 PM)
Does anyone know of any good hockey statistic sites as well as just good Hockey sites?
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For lifetime stats and records, check out The Internet Hockey Database.

Fantastic site, almost like the baseball-reference for hockey.

EDIT: red beat me to it. Dammit.
Bdanahy14
Thanks guys!
DJnVa
QUOTE (Eddie Jurak @ Sep 26 2005, 01:44 PM)
Practice.

During the regular season, there will be no more ties - a game that is tied after the 5 minute OT will be deicded by a shootout.
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I knew the NHL was going to shootouts, just didn't know they were doing them in every preseason game.

So, who will Joe look to pass to on his first shootout attempt?
Eddie Jurak
QUOTE (DJnVa @ Sep 26 2005, 04:55 PM)
So, who will Joe look to pass to on his first shootout attempt?
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There used to be an old joke about what a bruin player would do on a breakaway - dump the puck into the corner and go muck for it!

So far, the early shootout star for the Bruins has been Patrice Bergeron. He has scored a couple of shootout goals where he deked the goalie so badly it seemed as if the goalie moved out of the way on purpose in order to let him score.
Eddie Jurak
According to the Globe, Boynton rejected a 1 year, $1.75 million offer from the Bruins.
erfus
QUOTE (Eddie Jurak @ Sep 28 2005, 12:07 PM)
According to the Globe, Boynton rejected a 1 year, $1.75 million offer from the Bruins.
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Silly. The whole deal with Boynton is just silly. The Bs misread the market when they failed to pick up his option year. Boynton is being stubborn in missing camp over a sum of money he probably won't even miss over the course of his career.

I also read the Bs cut Martin Samuelsson. From reports over at HF boards, that means he's headed to SWE for the season. For all the improvement the Bs have been credited with as a result of their drafting, the Jonsson and Samuelsson 1st round picks have not borne the fruit they were hoping for, as both may not play a(nother) game in a Bs sweater.
Eddie Jurak
QUOTE (erfus @ Sep 28 2005, 12:39 PM)
I also read the Bs cut Martin Samuelsson.  From reports over at HF boards, that means he's headed to SWE for the season.  For all the improvement the Bs have been credited with as a result of their drafting, the Jonsson and Samuelsson 1st round picks have not borne the fruit they were hoping for, as both may not play a(nother) game in a Bs sweater.
The whole 2000 draft is looking like a huge bust - Jonsson and Samuelsson are gone, Hilbert is unsigned and wants out, Huml is gone and Zino are gone... looks like the top performer from that draft is (cringe) Jarno Kultanen.
erfus
QUOTE (Eddie Jurak @ Sep 28 2005, 01:24 PM)
The whole 2000 draft is looking like a huge bust - Jonsson and Samuelsson are gone, Hilbert is unsigned and wants out, Huml is gone and Zino are gone... looks like the top performer from that draft is (cringe) Jarno Kultanen.
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Arguably, Chris Berti did more for Boston than Jarno by never suiting up. There's an impact for ya. wink.gif

This offseason has been disappointing on a lot of levels, and one of those is the marked loss of players from their prospect list. Hilbert has apparently been written off, Stastny was dispatched for a mid rd pick, Jonsson won't sign, Marjamaki didn't sign, Samuelsson has had the BUST label applied to him, and I'm a bit disappointed Mark Stuart doesn't seem to be making a bigger impression.

The Bs have rec'd a bit of credit for an improved draft and scouting dept, which is valid considering where they've been picking. However, a perusal of their prospect list reveals very little in high-ceiling talent outside of Hannu Toivenen (the only worthwile name from the Bs 02 draft).
SoxScout
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MONCTON, New Brunswick – The contest for the Bruins' No. 2 goaltending job may have been decided last night, as Finnish rookie Hannu Toivonen delivered a superb 39-save performance in a 5-2 victory over the Montreal Canadiens in front of a raucous sellout crowd of 7,069 at Moncton Coliseum.
   
``(Toivonen) was terrific,'' B's coach Mike Sullivan said. ``He gave our team a chance to win. He made timely saves when he needed to. I thought he was just terrific.''
   
Andrew Raycroft is set as the starter. Toivonen and Tim Thomas have both played quite well for the B's (3-3-1) in the preseason. But the 21-year-old Toivonen's effort last night may have been final proof for the brass that he is ready to jump from the AHL to the NHL.
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Patrice Bergeron and Ben Walter scored power-play goals for the Bruins. Pat Leahy, Tom Fitzgerald and Brad Boyes also scored, with the final goal settling into an open net with the B's killing off a penalty with 1:08 left.
Toivonen: Razor Sharp
Smiling Joe Hesketh
I think Toivonen is a terrific prospect, one of the best in many years. When he was drafted his upside was generally considered to be higher than Raycroft's.

But I wonder if he's made the backup if he'll play enough to stay sharp and keep his development going.
erfus
QUOTE (Smiling Joe Hesketh @ Sep 29 2005, 09:40 AM)
I think Toivonen is a terrific prospect, one of the best in many years. When he was drafted his upside was generally considered to be higher than Raycroft's.

But I wonder if he's made the backup if he'll play enough to stay sharp and keep his development going.
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That's a valid concern. I lean toward keeping him up, if only to get those 25 or so NHL games under his belt and face NHL shooters (albeit in practice) on a near daily basis.

He's more expensive than Thomas though--mild cap concerns...but Boynton is holding out for less than the difference between Hannu & Tim.
A Red Canuck
Girard and Stuart say goodbye:

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Bruins General Manager Mike O’Connell announced today that the Bruins have assigned eight players from Boston’s training camp to the team’s American Hockey League affiliate in Providence. There are 24 players remaining in Boston’s training camp.

Assigned to Providence (AHL) were forwards Zdenek Blatny, Eric Healey, Pat Leahy, Eric Nickulas, Tyler Redenbach and Nate Thompson and defensemen Jonathan Girard and Mark Stuart.


Link
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41 Andrew Alberts D 6'4'' 215 Minneapolis, Minnesota
11 P.J. Axelsson LW 6'1'' 184 Kungalv, Sweden
37 Patrice Bergeron C 6'1'' 190 Ancienne-Lorette, Quebec
26 Brad Boyes C 6'1'' 195 Mississauga, Ontario
58 Kevin Dallman D 5'11'' 190 Niagara Falls, Ontario
12 Tom Fitzgerald RW 6'0'' 190 Billerica, Mass.
25 Hal Gill D 6'7'' 255 Concord, Massachusetts
39 Travis Green C 6'2'' 200 Castlegar, British Columbia
21 Brad Isbister LW 6'4'' 231 Edmonton, Alberta
68 Milan Jurcina D 6'4'' 235 Liptovsky Mikulas, Slovakia
22 Brian Leetch D 6'1'' 190 Corpus Christi, Texas
17 Shawn McEachern LW 5'11'' 200 Waltham, Massachusetts
18 Ian Moran D 6'0'' 200 Cleveland, Ohio
27 Glen Murray RW 6'3'' 225 Halifax, Nova Scotia
75 Colton Orr RW 6'3'' 222 Winnipeg, Manitoba
14 Sergei Samsonov LW 5'8'' 180 Moscow, Russia
38 Dave Scatchard C 6'2'' 224 Hinton, Alberta
71 Jiri Slegr D 6'1'' 210 Jihlava, Czech Republic
19 Joe Thornton C 6'4'' 225 London, Ontario
Ben Walter C 6'1'' 195 Beaconsfield, Quebec
10 Alex Zhamnov C 6'1'' 201 Moscow, Russia
1 Andrew Raycroft G 6'1'' 185 Belleville, Ontario
30 Tim Thomas G 5'11'' 181 Davison, Michigan
33 Hannu Toivonen G 6'2'' 210 Kalvola, Finland
PedroSpecialK
I'm guessing that when (if?) Boynton signs, Dallman will be assigned to Providence, so the d-pairings are, while decent, not great, but at least we get to see what a couple of the kids can do, with Dallman and Girard both NHL-material and ready to play.

Leetch/Boynton
Gill/Jurcina
Alberts/Slegr
Robinson Checo
Still 3 spots left in the Reg Dunlop Fantasy Hockey League. Draft is Sunday after the game.
Who is Dana Williams
So, Andy Hilbert is not signed? WTF? He was one of the leading scorers in Providence last year.

No Boynton or Hilbert makes me feel like the B's are up to there old tricks again.

But being a two faced bastard, I'm probably going to the last exibition game tomorrow. Free tickets & a pre-game BBQ. I will not buy a concession and give money to Jacobs Marley.
Nuf Ced
Does anyone have information on the promo the Bruins have with Dunkin Donuts on discount tickets? Neither have specific information at their web sites.

Another question: didn't Tim Thomas sign a one-way deal with the Bruins? Won't this effect whether Toivonen stays on the roster in Boston?
BigMike
QUOTE (Nuf Ced @ Sep 30 2005, 01:31 PM)
Another question: didn't Tim Thomas sign a one-way deal with the Bruins? Won't this effect whether Toivonen stays on the roster in Boston?
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basically all the one way deal means is that Thomas is going to get major league money whether he is in Providence or boston. Actually I think if the Bruins send him down there is a reasonable chance some other team claims him.

Peronally I probably have Toivinen as the backup goalie, but at Providence. That means he is the guy who should come in and play if there is an injury to Razor and the B's need someone to start a bunch of games, but I would keep Thomas to be the guy who gets the standard 20 odd backup games. At least I would do that to start the year, and then maybe in January or so give Hannu the call


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So, Andy Hilbert is not signed? WTF? He was one of the leading scorers in Providence last year.


Hilbert demanded a trade a good month before training camp. he doesn't see the role he wants in Boston so he has refused to sign. Have the Bruins been tight with the cash on him, yup, but the lack of a defined role is his big issue
Eddie Jurak
QUOTE (BigMike @ Sep 30 2005, 01:36 PM)
Peronally I probably have Toivinen as the backup goalie, but at Providence.  That means he is the guy who should come in and play if there is an injury to Razor and the B's need someone to start a bunch of games, but I would keep Thomas to be the guy who gets the standard 20 odd backup games.  At least I would do that to start the year, and then maybe in January or so give Hannu the call.
Makes sense. I'd like to see them go with this plan. If Thomas contributes anything, he'd be a tradeable asset, too, later on in the season.
PedroSpecialK
I saw the game tonight v. the Rangers, and I've got to say that Samsonov looked pretty sharp in his first game back. Scored a goal and had a bunch of good chances. B's won 5-2 but lose 2-1 in the shootout.

Brad Boyes also looked pretty good to me - I think he'll be on the 3rd line by the end of the year.
ThreeIfBaerga
Went to last night's game vs. the Rangers.

Man, all the crap they have going on during whistles at the Garden is pretty annoying in my opinion. Too much of the production struck me as something you'd see in a non hockey city where the fans really need to be prodded to make any noise or get into the game.

Did the television coverage get a good look at what happened between Colton Orr and Dale Purinton? It looked like Purinton really gave Orr a cheapshot of some kind. Orr had to leave the game to get medical attention immediately following his bout with Purinton, who got a match penalty for attempt to injure.

I thought Jurcina looked good out there and was playing strong positional defense.

Samsonov was flying out there, despite limited shifts.

Raycroft looked good, despite one really bad play behind the net where he got caught by Ward, who then scored a wraparound on an empty net.
Gambler7
"Did the television coverage get a good look at what happened between Colton Orr and Dale Purinton? It looked like Purinton really gave Orr a cheapshot of some kind. Orr had to leave the game to get medical attention immediately following his bout with Purinton, who got a match penalty for attempt to injure."

As they were clutching and grabbing Puriton reached his hand around and stuck his thumb/finger into Orr's eye. Pretty nasty sight and Orr's eye was immediately closed and it's why he dropped to the ice so quickly. Pretty cheap, Brickley was saying Puriton probably felt this kid (Orr) hadn't "earned his stripes", etc and is why he did it.
PedroSpecialK
Yes, Purinton pried his thumb into Orr's eye right off the bat, apparently trying to gouge Orr's eye out. You should've seen his eye - it was sealed shut by the time he got out of the penalty box to go get medical attention.

I agree about Jurcina - he looks like he'll be a solid D option this year.

edit: beaten by a minute.
Smiling Joe Hesketh
QUOTE (PedroSpecialK @ Oct 2 2005, 01:00 PM)
Yes, Purinton pried his thumb into Orr's eye right off the bat, apparently trying to gouge Orr's eye out. You should've seen his eye - it was sealed shut by the time he got out of the penalty box to go get medical attention.

I agree about Jurcina - he looks like he'll be a solid D option this year.

edit: beaten by a minute.
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Purinton probably did the Bruins a favor, because it probably means Orr won't be on the roster for a while. He's a lousy player.

Doesn't make Purinton less of a punk-ass bitch, though.
Nuf Ced
KP Dupont says in today's Globe that the league is looking into the Purinton incident and punishment is likely.

He also said the Bruins are discussing a change to the start time of Wednesday's game against the Habs because of the Red Sox playoff game at 7.

http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins...oynton_on_hold/
BigMike
QUOTE (Nuf Ced @ Oct 3 2005, 04:01 PM)
He also said the Bruins are discussing a change the start time of Wednesday's game against the Habs because of the Red Sox playoff game at 7.

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I am going to be royally pissed if they change the start time. There is no way they can change it enough that it doesn't overlap with the Sox game. It would need to be played at 4 for that to happen.

Dupont was pushing for this yesterday on HFboards, and I am going to go ballistic if it happens.
Stanleys steamer
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10/3/2005

Boston Bruins General Manager Mike O'Connell today announced that goaltender Tim Thomas and center Ben Walter have been assigned to their American Hockey League affiliate in Providence.


edit: link

I'm ready to watch some hockey...
Marbleheader
Not that the NHL has done much right in recent memory, but yesterday would have been the perfect day for the Bruins to open the season. Baseball had an off day, NBA hasn't started yet, and obviously only one game in the NFL. They could have drawn much more interest than they will during the MLB playoffs.
A Red Canuck
From TSN.CA:

The NHL has suspended New York Rangers defenceman Dale Purinton ten games for gouging the eye of Colton Orr.
PedroSpecialK
That's probably the right amount. Purinton's a punk bitch, and I think he could've gotten like 15 games, but hey, whatever gets Colton off the ice wink.gif
Smiling Joe Hesketh
QUOTE (PedroSpecialK @ Oct 4 2005, 02:28 PM)
That's probably the right amount. Purinton's a punk bitch, and I think he could've gotten like 15 games, but hey, whatever gets Colton off the ice wink.gif
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Sadly, Mike Sullivan was quoted in the Globe today as saying he thought Orr could suit up against the Canadiens.

There's no need for the Bruins to carry Colton Orr. None. He stinks as a hockey player, he brings nothing to the table, he will be a bad fit in the new uptempo NHL.

DUMB DUMB DUMB.
Eddie Jurak
QUOTE (Smiling Joe Hesketh @ Oct 4 2005, 02:48 PM)
There's no need for the Bruins to carry Colton Orr. None. He stinks as a hockey player, he brings nothing to the table, he will be a bad fit in the new uptempo NHL.

DUMB DUMB DUMB.
Yup.
bgo544
I've been hoping that one side effect of the rule changes this year would be the decreased utility of the goon - the guy who can't play hockey but takes away a roster spot from someone who can.

I'm fine with fighting in hockey - as long is it is between hockey players.
Smiling Joe Hesketh
Zhamnov is likely out of tonight's opener, per today's Globe. Sore shoulder.
BigMike
Who else is going tonight? I am just really excited to see hockey again.
ThreeIfBaerga
I'll be there tonight in section 316.

Wow, I may be the only pro-goon advocate in this thread. smile.gif

Without name dropping, I've heard from someone that knows Orr personally and said he's truly a great teammate and the type of player who would even stick up for the guy who cleans the jockstraps. Loyal and fearless.

I know he sucks as a player but I still think there's room for 1 guy who can provide that type of protection for your stars in case things get ugly.
Smiling Joe Hesketh
QUOTE (ThreeIfBaerga @ Oct 5 2005, 12:08 PM)
I'll be there tonight in section 316.

Wow, I may be the only pro-goon advocate in this thread. smile.gif

Without name dropping, I've heard from someone that knows Orr personally and said he's truly a great teammate and the type of player who would even stick up for the guy who cleans the jockstraps. Loyal and fearless.

I know he sucks as a player but I still think there's room for 1 guy who can provide that type of protection for your stars in case things get ugly.
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Not in the new NHL, there isn't.

I don't care how nice of a guy he is. He has no business playing in the NHL at all. He's taking the roster spot of a player who could actually help the team win. Nothing Orr does is so important that it helps the Bruins win. Fighting Purinton and Oliwa and the other thugs doesn't help the team win. It doesn't stop the star players from getting cheap-shotted.

This is a short-sighted, idiotic roster move by the Bruins, and frankly I expected better.
PedroSpecialK
While I can see the place for a goon, I agree with SJH - if you're going to get a goon, get one who can play hockey (It burns my tongue to say it, but look at Tie Domi)
Smiling Joe Hesketh
QUOTE (PedroSpecialK @ Oct 5 2005, 12:20 PM)
While I can see the place for a goon, I agree with SJH - if you're going to get a goon, get one who can play hockey (It burns my tongue to say it, but look at Tie Domi)
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Hell, Domi's had seasons of 11, 13, and 15 goals. I doubt Orr will score 11 goals in the totality of his career.
ThreeIfBaerga
QUOTE (Smiling Joe Hesketh @ Oct 5 2005, 12:12 PM)
Not in the new NHL, there isn't.

I don't care how nice of a guy he is. He has no business playing in the NHL at all. He's taking the roster spot of a player who could actually help the team win. Nothing Orr does is so important that it helps the Bruins win. Fighting Purinton and Oliwa and the other thugs doesn't help the team win. It doesn't stop the star players from getting cheap-shotted.

This is a short-sighted, idiotic roster move by the Bruins, and frankly I expected better.
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Saying that having a goon doesn't prevent star players from getting cheap-shotted is a very subjective statement. Based on what I've seen, it does. It doesn't always happen but I've seen a palpable momentum change in an entire team after a good bout. I'll go back to the whole Gretzky/McSorley tandem. There was a very good reason why those two always stuck together and that's because anyone thinking about giving Wayne the business had to think twice and look over his shoulder first before doing so.

Here's an article that I think helps make my point and SJH's point at the same time. It basically states that while enforcers aren't essential, they are desirable and make an impact. And, yes, I realize this is talking about minor league hockey:

http://www.herald.ns.ca/cgi-bin/home/displ...ooseheads1100+2

While I agree we could easily have a guy on the roster that is a better hockey player than Colton Orr, I have a hard time subscribing to the idea that a 4th liner is going to make that big of an impact on the final score.

During Saturday night's game vs. the Rangers, there was a small guy on the Rangers (name escapes me right now) that was running around taking liberties with a bunch of people. This prompted Orr to mix it up a bit. Following the fight(s), I didn't see that guy playing nearly as aggressive or cheap. Just my observation from the stands.

Eddie Jurak and I argued this a while back. I think this is my favorite hockey topic to squabble about because it's like arguing over the 53rd guy on an NFL team, the 11th pitcher on a staff or Mr. Irrelevant from the draft. smile.gif
Gambler7
Dissapointed to hear of the injury problems and Zhamnov likely being out tonight, but still, I'm actually pretty excited about the start of hockey again in Boston
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