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absintheofmalaise
Gone after 8 years at the helm and 16 in the organization.

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pedro1918
According to WTEM 980 AM in DC -

The Orioles fired Jim Beattie.

They kept Flanagan, but will probably reassign him.
941827
With each firing of a GM in a fairly large East Coast market, Theo's options increase. But Lucchino would rather dick around than make him a good-faith offer and get a deal done.
Fratboy
QUOTE(absintheofmalaise @ Oct 10 2005, 04:32 PM)
Gone after 8 years at the helm and 16 in the organization.

ESPN link
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About fucking time.

And his successor gets to deal with the Thome/Howard situation right off the bat. Good times, good times!
absintheofmalaise
Hey, he fired Bowa. Got that going for him.
Green Monster
QUOTE(941827 @ Oct 10 2005, 04:38 PM)
With each firing of a GM in a fairly large East Coast market, Theo's options increase.  But Lucchino would rather dick around than make him a good-faith offer and get a deal done.
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I agree! This is starting to get me a little nervous. LL needs to get Theo signed soon so they can proceed with the off-season planning. A month from now I don't want to be reading about LaMar and Wade coming in for interviews because LL likes their experience.

Sign Theo! He earned it!!
Buck Showalter
Gotta' believe that Steve Phillips, Dan Duquette, Jim Duquette and countless others with GM experience will be in the mix for this and other positions.
Carroll Hardy
If what I fear is correct, the first order of business mandated to the new GM from ownership will be to trade Manny Ramirez - sooner rather than later - taking the best deal available.

I wouldn't wish that fate on anyone. I expect Theo is too smart for that. He knows that Red Sox Nation would kill him deader than Dan Duquette. It's a loser from the get-go; no would-be GM would last around here long enough to see the fruits of their sacrifice.
amfox1
Do you believe the new GM in Philly will be mandated to trade Thome? He's owed $43.5 million over the next three years.

That Oriole job could be fun. The only players signed beyond 2005 (other than players they control) are Javy, Miggy, Mora and Steve Kline. They look to be the frontrunners in the Burnett and Wagner sweepstakes and are looking at Ramon Hernandez and would shift Javy to 1B/DH. I would not be surprised to see them in for Damon also, as Matos is expected to be non-tendered.

FYI, Jim Duquette is reportedly being interviewed for the Orioles job.
PedroKsBambino
I'd be surprised if any of the higher-profile candidates were even willing to interview in Baltimore. Everything I've read is that between Angelos and his son (or son-in-law?) it's really a mess there.
hytem
QUOTE(Buck Showalter @ Oct 10 2005, 05:01 PM)
Gotta' believe that Steve Phillips, Dan Duquette, Jim Duquette and countless others with GM experience will be in the mix for this and other positions.
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The rumor I heard tonight was Hart.
He was GM in Cleveland when the Phillies' manager was there.
Andy Tomberlin
If Matos is expected to be non-tendered, I'd definitely be interested in him. I've always liked Matos, and I know that he's never been real consistent, but he's still only 26.

I wouldn't want to go into next year with him as the only plan for CF, but if he would come here as a 4th OF with some speed as a RHH who can also play a very good CF, he's a guy I'd like to have. Who knows, maybe he ends up fighting his way into starting in CF, depending on what the solution is for who is in CF next year.
86spike
Gammons is losing a lot of sources this fall!
LateRally
So is this the all-purpose GM/Manager movement thread?

Jim Tracy has been hired as Bucs manager

Apparently Macha was a candidate for the job as well.
OttoC
QUOTE(pedro1918 @ Oct 10 2005, 04:36 PM)
According to WTEM 980 AM in DC -

The Orioles fired Jim Beattie.

They kept Flanagan, but will probably reassign him.
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There as an interesting article in the Washington Post today that touched on this, and which raised an interesting issue. I'm including the URL, but the Post requires registration.

The article, ostensibly about the possibility that Perlozzo will be named manager, really hinges on the issue of using psychological tests to determine player signings. Apparently, Flanagan is an advocate of theories advanced by Dave Ritterpusch, the team's director of baseball information, that demand psychological tests for all players. Beattie, it is implied, is less than enthusiastic about this approach.

A memo dated July 9, 2004 is quoted:
"Consistent with the Orioles' policy in regard to signing drafted amateur players, effective immediately no player is to be signed to an Orioles minor league contract without an acceptable ISAM profile on hand."

It continues: "No position player will be signed who scores less than a 3 on a valid, accurate ISAM; nor will any pitcher be signed who scores less than a 4 on a valid, accurate ISAM." A 5 is considered a top ISAM score (Athletic Success Institute).

The memo does mention some players, including one who scored 2 and who is being championed by some SoSH readers as a potential solutin to the Red Sox's bullpen problems. The article also points out that Braves and the Indians use psychological tests.

Since the Red Sox have a full-time sports psychologist on their payroll, Bob Tewksbury, I wonder what their approach is.

Rudy Pemberton
I find it hard to believe that Sidney Ponson, Steve Kline, and Eric Byrnes could have scored well, to name a few.
SoxFanSince57
News from the Globe about the Phillies.....

"The Phillies took their first step toward retaining closer Billy Wagner, meeting with the All-Star lefthander in Virginia. Wagner was 4-3 with a 1.51 ERA and 38 saves, and nearly helped the Phillies reach the playoffs for the first time since 1993. Wagner, 33, earned $9 million in the final year of his contract, and re-signing him is the team's top priority. ''We felt it was important to have a face-to-face meeting," assistant GM Ruben Amaro Jr. said."
DieHard3
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as Matos is expected to be non-tendered.
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He would make an excellent platoon partner for Nixon and a decent amount of Damon insurance. Maybe a trade could be worked out before the non-tender.
Paradigm
QUOTE(amfox1 @ Oct 10 2005, 10:20 PM)
That Oriole job could be fun.  The only players signed beyond 2005 (other than players they control) are Javy, Miggy, Mora and Steve Kline.  They look to be the frontrunners in the Burnett and Wagner sweepstakes and are looking at Ramon Hernandez and would shift Javy to 1B/DH.
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don't we recognize this every year, and then laugh as the Orioles front office manages to let every potential free agent pass them by? and have they ever heard of starting pitchers? javy lopez was the only decent free agent they've pulled in a while, as they've ignored all quality starting pitching since.
PedroKsBambino
So, what's the explanation for BJ Ryan having only a "2" on that testing but being a very successful reliever for several years?

Does that mean that, as a prospect he woud have been a bad gamble because of that score, but in spite of that he has made it?

Does that mean that he's prone to pull a Carl Everett and get into a situation in the future where his actions get in the way of his playing?

Or does it mean that Ryan, a FA to be, basically said "screw this, I'm checking 'c' on every option"
Rudy Pemberton
As long as Angelos is in charge, I don't see much hope there, frankly. They are too slow in making moves, rarely make the right moves (Tejada the notable exception), and ask for the moon when moving thier own guys. The psychological test sounds ok in theory, but I imagine that what PKB infers is true- a lot of guys don't take it seriously. Hell, no one probably wants to go play there anyways!
OttoC
QUOTE(Paradigm @ Oct 13 2005, 05:04 PM)
javy lopez was the only decent free agent they've pulled in a while, as they've ignored all quality starting pitching since.
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I rather thought Miguel Tejada was a decent signing.
Butch Hobsons elbo chips
So this is where Theo's supposed thrown chair ended up....LOL

Talk about a writer trashing a guy after he is Fired. Probably a good bit is accurate but geez..the guy is FIRED and gone. No need to trash every aspect of his job especially since as beat writer, you've known these things were going on all along.
Wade, like Duquette, was in power for 8 years in Philadelphia but it strikes me as a bit kooky that this writer basically saved up all the bad stories of the guy just to put out this column AFTER the guy was Fired. (and basically ALL GM's get fired eventually) Hell, the writer claims he has a 2 year old tape of Wade cursing at reporters...Dude, let it go.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/133...005-555914.html
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Behind the scenes with Ed Wade
by  Randy Miller
October 16, 2005

Ed Wade screamed and cursed for several minutes, then picked up a chair in Charlie Manuel's office and whipped it across the room.
BAM!
The chair smashed into a wall halfway between the ceiling and the floor. Two legs and chunks of wood littered the area.

Manuel watched the scene and kind of nodded his head as if to say, "OK, now what?"
This fit being thrown by a grown man was aimed toward to the scribe sitting across from Manuel's desk. I quietly watched in stunned amazement when the Phillies' since-ousted general manager showed off a hot temper that some team insiders suggest is legendary.

His reason for such behavior following a 6-3 Phillies victory over Atlanta on July 2?

Wade blamed it on hearing that I had told assistant GM Mike Arbuckle that pitching prospect Cole Hamels would be coming up from Class-A Clearwater to replace injured starter Randy Wolf in the rotation.

Not true, I told Wade.
That morning, Manuel did mention Hamels was an option. I phoned Arbuckle about something else, mentioned Manuel's comments and Arbuckle later called Wade to say: "If Charlie is thinking about Hamels coming up, we need to remind him that he's still in A-ball."

In a recurring theme from an eight-year tenure that had a forced ending last Monday, Wade somehow got the facts all wrong.

Manuel acknowledged talking about Hamels, Arbuckle was called, but Wade couldn't admit a mistake ... because what he really was mad about was a story that ran in the Courier Times two months earlier, one that mentioned Wade's job security not being so good and highly respected former Houston GM Gerry Hunsicker being on the Phillies' radar.

I never said another word to Wade since that unprofessional blowup, which was no one-time tantrum.

Late this summer, Wade repeatedly chewed out closer Billy Wagner - sometimes in person, sometimes over the phone - for comments he read in the newspaper and during contract negotiations. Wagner took this verbal abuse for a while, then got fed up and began hanging up on Wade.

Years earlier, Wade called a team meeting to scream at players. One pitcher said everyone buried their heads in their arms so Wade couldn't see them laughing at him.

Two springs ago, Wade was furious at Phillies beat writers, called a morning meeting and cursed for about 20 minutes. I still have the tape from that one. You should hear it. It's something else, right out of the Lee Elia school of bleeps. He got personal. Ask Philadelphia Daily News baseball writer Marcus Hayes, who remained calm as his character was assassinated and he was being called an officious [bleep]."

On a Sunday in July 2004, the day Eric Milton flirted with a no-hitter, Wade lost it in front of the Phillies dugout when Philadelphia Inquirer reporter Sam Carchidi asked him if "there were any trade developments." Carchidi, who does not cover the team regularly, was told with anger: "If you were here everyday, you would know." Wade ended the shouting match by saying, "Kiss my [bleeping bleep], Sam."
Dozens of early arriving children watched the entire incident from behind the Phillies dugout.

When announcing the firing, team president David Montgomery called Wade a man of character. Talk to others in the organization with the tape reporters off and notebooks away and you'll hear more stories of Wade's hot temper and how he often big-leagued team employees.

Wade couldn't even go out in style. While speaking to the media following his dismissal, he constantly vented. Without naming names, he blasted Daily News columnist Bill Conlin and other media members who didn't deserve his respect.

Right back at you, Ed.

This isn't about kicking a man when he's down. It's about shedding some truth about the Wade era.
No one doubts that Wade was a workaholic. He put in his time and was prepared.
But people inside and outside the organization talked about his smug personality, which is surprising considering he began his baseball career in public relations.

In short, the legions of fans who despised Wade not just because of his GM ability were on to something. Trust me, some Phillies employees and many media members grew sick of his antics long ago.
That's why when Wade made enough baseball mistakes to warrant a firing, the local media went after him.

But, Wade deserved his firing. For all his hard work, he was accused of not knowing his own team, let alone the 29 others in baseball.

One time when Wade made a judgment on a young Phillies player, a uniformed employee called writers over and said, "Did you hear, Eddie thinks he's a baseball guy now?" Everyone laughed.

When third baseman Scott Rolen was telling teammates, opposing players and Phillies beat writers there was no way he'd sign a contract extension with the team, Wade was out of the loop. A good GM finds out the real deal.
Wade also misread Curt Schilling, Placido Polanco, Larry Bowa ... the list goes on and on.

One of the worst-kept secrets in baseball was the work habits of a longtime Phillies major-league scout who had a reputation for leaving games in the seventh and eighth inning. Advance scouts are the eyes and ears of general managers. They feed info when trade talks start up. If Wade knew about the in-house problem, he didn't address it - not until making a change after the 2005 season, when his own job wasn't safe.

Wade is gone, and Phillies fans are right on when saying, "Good riddance."
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