This has been so frustrating. I really don't understand why Porter is still in there. I was ok with the conservative game plan but at some point you have to realize what you have and don't have.
I think we'll have a "split lockerroom" after this game.
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Ok ... looks like we spent more time on special teams this week than offense in practice.
Be prepared for Porter the rest of the way this season. TOB is nothing if not loyal.
Now the wiseguys start getting nervous about the spread
D played its heart out this game.
QUOTE (CWiggum @ Oct 28 2005, 02:36 AM)
Be prepared for Porter the rest of the way this season. TOB is nothing if not loyal.
Sadly you are probably right. Although this team is good enough to beat those 3 remaining teams even with Porter
Unfortunately for Virginia Tech, BC has been so unimpressive in this game that the pollsters are going to wonder why Va Tech didn't win by 5 TD's, and Va Tech will get no bounce from beating a supposed top 15 team
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Now the wiseguys start getting nervous about the spread
You were saying??
And there is the Quentin Porter we know and love
Bravo Quinton.
we knew you had it in you.
Wow, this guy is unbelievable, and the announcers keep talking like he is having a good game.
we knew you had it in you.
Wow, this guy is unbelievable, and the announcers keep talking like he is having a good game.
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And there is the Quentin Porter we know and love
Whats funny is that I think Porter simply held the ball way too long in this game. I'm not sure VT showed a ton of pressure.
Deathblow.
Thats a shame because this was a pretty decent game.
Thats a shame because this was a pretty decent game.
Chris Crane?
Make it stop.
It would be funny if it wasn't so typical.
Even losing in a predictable manner to a better team, I walk away pissed off at our coaching staff.
Edit: Was anyone aware that Marcus Vick is related to Michael Vick? I think they are brothers or something.
Even losing in a predictable manner to a better team, I walk away pissed off at our coaching staff.
Edit: Was anyone aware that Marcus Vick is related to Michael Vick? I think they are brothers or something.
Although I am sick of listening to these guys blow him all night, I must say this.
Marcus Vick was FAR more impressive as a QB tonight than Michael Vick was in the game where he blew out BC and ran for 210 yards.
Marcus Vick was FAR more impressive as a QB tonight than Michael Vick was in the game where he blew out BC and ran for 210 yards.
Someone needs to tell Tom O'Brien that we came into this game ranked number 11 in the Coaches Poll and 12 in the BCS. Play the game to win. Don't hope to get lucky and try to squeak one out.
I have generally have stood up for OB and I don't know that we win this game under any circumstances but I don't think our staff even gave them a chance in this game.
At some point you have to think that you are legit and try to win rather than avoid losing.
I have generally have stood up for OB and I don't know that we win this game under any circumstances but I don't think our staff even gave them a chance in this game.
At some point you have to think that you are legit and try to win rather than avoid losing.
Quinton Porter is terrible. That is all.
Quinton Porter is the worst college quarterback I can remember in a long time. He is a putrid decision maker who provides his offense with absolutely nothing. The only time I saw life in the offense tonight was when Matt Ryan came in for his series. I have no clue why he isn't the quarterback of this team. Shame on Tom O'Brien for being loyal to an gutless, underachieving loser instead of the player who gives him the best chance to win.
Hey, for anyone interested, there will be more on this Vick-Vick connection during sportscenter following the game.
They are related.
As for TOB's loyalty to QP, I hate it, but I can also somewhat understand it. The guy redshirted what would have been his senior year, lost his father, seems like a good kid. I'm sure it isn't the easiest thing in the world for TOB to take the ball away from him. This has always been an O'bie weakness, going all the way back to Willie Green's freshman year when it was completely obvious he was the best player on the team, and he he trouble getting onto the field because someone else (Cedric Washington?) was the starter and the established veteran guy.
They are related.
As for TOB's loyalty to QP, I hate it, but I can also somewhat understand it. The guy redshirted what would have been his senior year, lost his father, seems like a good kid. I'm sure it isn't the easiest thing in the world for TOB to take the ball away from him. This has always been an O'bie weakness, going all the way back to Willie Green's freshman year when it was completely obvious he was the best player on the team, and he he trouble getting onto the field because someone else (Cedric Washington?) was the starter and the established veteran guy.
When you get outgained 495 yards to 175, you are not going to win. Tech dominated offensively like no team I've seen play BC in a long time. vick was really good tonight and the Hokies did not open the offense up at all, which is kind of scary. This game could have easily been 45-10.
Porter was bad, but the Hokies forced him to win the game by stuffing the run. BC can usually pound teams and did not tonight, forcing the QB to make plays. He made a about three as far as i can remember and the TD may have even been a push off, although it was a good throw and read. As soon as Tech got up 13 late, they pinned their ears back and destroyed the o-line, that kid with the huge ass and thighs was impossible to block.
Tech is a very good team (maybe the best or second best - we have yet to see their best game) playing at home at night on national TV in a revenge game. Cannot be upet by losing and maybe this will prompt the QB change everyone is clamoring for
Porter was bad, but the Hokies forced him to win the game by stuffing the run. BC can usually pound teams and did not tonight, forcing the QB to make plays. He made a about three as far as i can remember and the TD may have even been a push off, although it was a good throw and read. As soon as Tech got up 13 late, they pinned their ears back and destroyed the o-line, that kid with the huge ass and thighs was impossible to block.
Tech is a very good team (maybe the best or second best - we have yet to see their best game) playing at home at night on national TV in a revenge game. Cannot be upet by losing and maybe this will prompt the QB change everyone is clamoring for
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As for TOB's loyalty to QP, I hate it, but I can also somewhat understand it. The guy redshirted what would have been his senior year, lost his father, seems like a good kid. I'm sure it isn't the easiest thing in the world for TOB to take the ball away from him. This has always been an O'bie weakness, going all the way back to Willie Green's freshman year when it was completely obvious he was the best player on the team, and he he trouble getting onto the field because someone else (Cedric Washington?) was the starter and the established veteran guy.
Maybe O'Brien can have a soft spot for Porter, but once it starts affecting how he does his job, it becomes a problem. Of course we all feel for the kid for losing his dad, but just because he lost a parent shouldn't make him the starting QB for a nationally ranked college football team. By allowing emotions to impact his decisions, Tom O'Brien is doing a disservice to the fans, the school, and the players (especially Matt Ryan). Porter has had plenty of opportunities to win this job over the course of his career at BC and has failed miserably each time. Enough is enough.
I feel guilty about blasting Q on EA for a variety of reasons, but even acknowledging the talent disparity, this one falls most squarely on Porter's shoulders. He looks like Tony Eason--not stepping into passes, afraid to step up and use the pocket that was there most of the night. VTech's wide end play was perfect, as they must have known Porter is unwilling to step up and throw, as opposed to tuck and run.
It's Matt Ryan's team now. There's still a lot to play for, and the toughest part of our schedule is done. I am convinced we played a top 3 team tonight. Tech has no weaknesses and were at home. I guess my expectations for Q were a little higher than the profession version of Joey Harrington. With competent QB play tonight, the D doesn't get worn in the ground and we have half a chance to runt he ball.
I wish I could say the game was even frsutrating. It was just depressing. Q's gotten a masters degree out of BC. That should be enough to cut the cord and try and win out.
It's Matt Ryan's team now. There's still a lot to play for, and the toughest part of our schedule is done. I am convinced we played a top 3 team tonight. Tech has no weaknesses and were at home. I guess my expectations for Q were a little higher than the profession version of Joey Harrington. With competent QB play tonight, the D doesn't get worn in the ground and we have half a chance to runt he ball.
I wish I could say the game was even frsutrating. It was just depressing. Q's gotten a masters degree out of BC. That should be enough to cut the cord and try and win out.
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mother f*&^**g 8 am sales meetings
never thought I'd se a game where a team give up 400+ yards and 200+ on the ground, yet feel the D played great
game MVP the much maligned Johnny Ayers
good game by the specials, ok a couple long returns, but no blocks which was all of our fears
any lip readers know what TOB said to Q after he came off the field, I think the look said it all, "sit down"
look, I like Q (and MP50), feel for what they went thru as a family, respect Q for comming back and playing as well as he has, but I think UNC is Matty time
hey, there is a reason VT is #3 in the polls, they are f^%*&^%*^g good
not to go all RutAl on you, but we're 6-2 with 3 winnable games left, I know I had FSU & Tech penciled in as losses before the season
can we have Herbie do more games for us on TV ? the more he talks about the 'great call be Dana Bible' is one game closer to ridding ourselves of the mad fisherman
even Charlie Moore coould see that the quick hitter up the middle wasn't working by the second half, yet ole Dana kept going to his Tackle Box of tricks, and gunning it up the middle for 1, made you long for the days of "3rd and 1, Toner up the middle for a loss of 2"
where was Gonzo earlier in the game, where was B Robinson all game?
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mother f*&^**g 8 am sales meetings
never thought I'd se a game where a team give up 400+ yards and 200+ on the ground, yet feel the D played great
game MVP the much maligned Johnny Ayers
good game by the specials, ok a couple long returns, but no blocks which was all of our fears
any lip readers know what TOB said to Q after he came off the field, I think the look said it all, "sit down"
look, I like Q (and MP50), feel for what they went thru as a family, respect Q for comming back and playing as well as he has, but I think UNC is Matty time
hey, there is a reason VT is #3 in the polls, they are f^%*&^%*^g good
not to go all RutAl on you, but we're 6-2 with 3 winnable games left, I know I had FSU & Tech penciled in as losses before the season
can we have Herbie do more games for us on TV ? the more he talks about the 'great call be Dana Bible' is one game closer to ridding ourselves of the mad fisherman
even Charlie Moore coould see that the quick hitter up the middle wasn't working by the second half, yet ole Dana kept going to his Tackle Box of tricks, and gunning it up the middle for 1, made you long for the days of "3rd and 1, Toner up the middle for a loss of 2"
where was Gonzo earlier in the game, where was B Robinson all game?
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"Steelers fans made Mosi's Mooses look like a debutante ball"Bob Kraft on Dennis & Callahan 2/3/05 * * "Felgie, you Kenmore Kommunity Kollege Eurotrash prettyboy, you're right about one thing, I'm a BC guy and my shite dosen't stink" Mosi on the whiner line 3/23/04
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Tech dominated offensively like no team I've seen play BC in a long time. vick was really good tonight and the Hokies did not open the offense up at all, which is kind of scary. This game could have easily been 45-10.
I disagree. The D played exactly the type of game they needed to play against VT. The defense only game up 23 points. The reason they "missed opportunities" in the red zone was because the defense made plays. As far as not opening up the offense ... Vick had the most passing yards he's had all year. This is a good defensive team.
VT held the ball for almost 40 minutes. TWO-THIRDS OF THE GAME!!! And the defense still hung in there.
Look .. I'm not saying BC should have won this game. VT's defense palayed well and the offense was efficient. As I have said in previous posts I am just frustrated that our coaching staff coached "not to lose". If you don't have confidence in your QB then he shouldn't be in there.
This loss is entirely on the offense. Don't get me wrong VT was a large part of this but in the second half BC had several key opportunities to do something and fell flat. I can count on one hand the number of times BC threw the ball on first down.
I enjoyed Blaudschun this morning, although I guess I should not be surprised. Yes, a win last night would have put BC into another tier of the college football heirarchy, but Mark, did you really expect them to win? BC had a chance, but VT is just better, and it really isn't that close at this point in time. I am disappointed in a few things about the game, but the outcome isn't surprising. I guess every time BC loses this year we'll be treated to Blaudschun "state of the program" diatribes that work in there somewhere the fact that he thinks the move to the ACC was a bad one.
My personal favorite part of today's article is the statement that "but for Miami and VT" that the ACC is not that much better than the BIg East that BC left. Well, shit, isn't that the whole fucking rub, Mark?
My personal favorite part of today's article is the statement that "but for Miami and VT" that the ACC is not that much better than the BIg East that BC left. Well, shit, isn't that the whole fucking rub, Mark?
The reality of things is that this coaching staff went into the game with a QB they didn't trust to try to win the game with. Hell, they were still throwing 5 yard passes down 13 in the 4th quarter. I am hesistant to try and kill Bible for this given how reckless Porter has been with the ball in the last couple weeks.
I just wish this administration had a better track record of evaluating talent. Cedric Washington over William Green, Horace Dodd over Derrick Knight, Quinton Porter over Paul Peterson, Jeff Ross over AC/LV, Porter to start last night (and again Im not sold on Matt Ryan but seeing last nights game plan you have to assume they're terrified of QP). Yes, they eventually made changes to all of those decisions, but there is a record here of picking the wrong guy again and again, to the point that I don't give them the benefit of the doubt in making offensive personnel decisions.
But I wasn't mad afterwards with the game. This wasn't FSU.
I will say this - a piece of me wonders if Charlie Weis' offensive mind with the BC offense could have put points up. If thats the case then I suppose I am sad that our AD doesn't have the backbone to force some change in the program at least in getting a better coordinator. But again, I dont know if Charlie Weis could make QP a good quarterback - just a thought.
Seeing the talent difference in the two teams even makes me more resolute that you need a coaching staff that can maximize performance. Spaz Im on board with, besides the Syracuse disaster he hasn't puked one away since, well the Syracuse game the year before that. Bible...well I suppose the indictment against him is pretty strong. But if his gameplan can be pyschoanalyzed, he may have desired a different QB under center last night.
I just wish this administration had a better track record of evaluating talent. Cedric Washington over William Green, Horace Dodd over Derrick Knight, Quinton Porter over Paul Peterson, Jeff Ross over AC/LV, Porter to start last night (and again Im not sold on Matt Ryan but seeing last nights game plan you have to assume they're terrified of QP). Yes, they eventually made changes to all of those decisions, but there is a record here of picking the wrong guy again and again, to the point that I don't give them the benefit of the doubt in making offensive personnel decisions.
But I wasn't mad afterwards with the game. This wasn't FSU.
I will say this - a piece of me wonders if Charlie Weis' offensive mind with the BC offense could have put points up. If thats the case then I suppose I am sad that our AD doesn't have the backbone to force some change in the program at least in getting a better coordinator. But again, I dont know if Charlie Weis could make QP a good quarterback - just a thought.
Seeing the talent difference in the two teams even makes me more resolute that you need a coaching staff that can maximize performance. Spaz Im on board with, besides the Syracuse disaster he hasn't puked one away since, well the Syracuse game the year before that. Bible...well I suppose the indictment against him is pretty strong. But if his gameplan can be pyschoanalyzed, he may have desired a different QB under center last night.
As an unbiased observer who was lucky enough to be in attendance last night, I won't get into all the details you guys are discussing, but I have to say that Brian Toal was very impressive in person. Not sure if the TV guys/TV coverage did him justice, but he was full speed all night, sticking his head in there, and making plays. I became a #16 fan last night. I also thought that DB #27 was solid too.
Tech is blazing fast in person. Blazing.
Tech is blazing fast in person. Blazing.
QUOTE (Otto @ Oct 28 2005, 12:07 PM)
As an unbiased observer who was lucky enough to be in attendance last night, I won't get into all the details you guys are discussing, but I have to say that Brian Toal was very impressive in person. Not sure if the TV guys/TV coverage did him justice, but he was full speed all night, sticking his head in there, and making plays. I became a #16 fan last night. I also thought that DB #27 was solid too.
Tech is blazing fast in person. Blazing.
Tech is blazing fast in person. Blazing.
Good observations Otto. I think Toal has lived up to his Blue Chip status. The announcers talked about him often last night even noting that VT recruited him.
Toal's a player. Wish we had gotten him.
He kind of disappointed me with the way he was hitting people a little late though. And there was one out of bounds play that he used the VT player's face to push off to stand up. The refs even talked to him at least once to settle down. He's too good of a player for that crap.
And Marcus made him look absolutely silly on the one 3rd down run.
He kind of disappointed me with the way he was hitting people a little late though. And there was one out of bounds play that he used the VT player's face to push off to stand up. The refs even talked to him at least once to settle down. He's too good of a player for that crap.
And Marcus made him look absolutely silly on the one 3rd down run.
Marcus can make anyone look silly.
A few people around me were talking about Toal's extracurriculars last night, but I have to say, I thought he walked the line just fine (admittedly, I may not have seen everything the tv cameras picked up, so I reserve the right to abandon this position). He's out there against a superior opponent with guys flying at him all night, guys he's basically just as good as - you have to expect him to have a chip on his shoulder. He didn't do anything dirty (again, that I saw) and he just got a few licks in where he could. BC needed a little of that Rodney Harrison/junk yard dog last night in that spot, and I think he was just doing his part as the guy best equipped to play that role. Yes, that role is an annoying role to the opposing fans and it walks a fine line, but I watched him pretty closely and generally found myself nodding inside my head at his actions - and yes, my seats were very close. And I'll say this in support of him too - almost to a player, the Tech guys were patting Toal on the head all night long - all night. They knew what he was doing and seemed to be saying "ok big boy, bring it on, just know what you're getting into."
See, I told you I became a #16 fan last night.
And I'd go easy on QP if I were you guys. There may have appeared to be a pocket on tv, but there were very few receivers for him to choose from on most passing plays and the Tech LB's were probably just off the view of the tv screen - I'm telling you, it looked like the pocket was a yard deep at best. He had a strong rush on most plays and LB's just waiting for him to step up.
A few people around me were talking about Toal's extracurriculars last night, but I have to say, I thought he walked the line just fine (admittedly, I may not have seen everything the tv cameras picked up, so I reserve the right to abandon this position). He's out there against a superior opponent with guys flying at him all night, guys he's basically just as good as - you have to expect him to have a chip on his shoulder. He didn't do anything dirty (again, that I saw) and he just got a few licks in where he could. BC needed a little of that Rodney Harrison/junk yard dog last night in that spot, and I think he was just doing his part as the guy best equipped to play that role. Yes, that role is an annoying role to the opposing fans and it walks a fine line, but I watched him pretty closely and generally found myself nodding inside my head at his actions - and yes, my seats were very close. And I'll say this in support of him too - almost to a player, the Tech guys were patting Toal on the head all night long - all night. They knew what he was doing and seemed to be saying "ok big boy, bring it on, just know what you're getting into."
See, I told you I became a #16 fan last night.
And I'd go easy on QP if I were you guys. There may have appeared to be a pocket on tv, but there were very few receivers for him to choose from on most passing plays and the Tech LB's were probably just off the view of the tv screen - I'm telling you, it looked like the pocket was a yard deep at best. He had a strong rush on most plays and LB's just waiting for him to step up.
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And I'd go easy on QP if I were you guys. There may have appeared to be a pocket on tv, but there were very few receivers for him to choose from on most passing plays and the Tech LB's were probably just off the view of the tv screen - I'm telling you, it looked like the pocket was a yard deep at best. He had a strong rush on most plays and LB's just waiting for him to step up.
Very interesting Otto...a nice reminder that with even TIVO, it's nothing like being close to the field or seeing the coaches tape. I'm still disappointed that QP complained about the line post-game, but your observations are very illustrative nonetheless.
ND ending the BC-ND "rivalry" after 2010 because (snicker snikcer) they were upset at damage done by BC players to the locker room and field 3 years ago. They're going to replace us with Rutgers. We still play '07-'10.
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ND ending the BC-ND "rivalry" after 2010 because (snicker snikcer) they were upset at damage done by BC players to the locker room and field 3 years ago. They're going to replace us with Rutgers. We still play '07-'10.
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Nice response from Gene. Essentially saying, if they don't want to play us that's fine but don't make up some crazy excuse ... tell it like it is.
It's too bad but I understand ND's reasoning ... I don't think they wanted BC to become a real "rival". I remember Holtz crying after losing to BC adamently pointing out that we were not a rival ... USC was a rival. Playing BC can really only impact them negatively on the recruiting front with respect to the Catholic High School talent.
I thought they had a agreement with the Big East to play 3 BE teams per year. Isn't this what's really going on here?
That being said, there are still 4 more years until 2010 ... much can happen.
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ND ending the BC-ND "rivalry" after 2010 because (snicker snikcer) they were upset at damage done by BC players to the locker room and field 3 years ago. They're going to replace us with Rutgers. We still play '07-'10.
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It also gives them an out if they want to Dump MSU.
They can say that they are dropping them because of all the damage done by the flag planting incident
QUOTE (BigMike @ Oct 27 2005, 10:50 PM)
Marcus Vick was FAR more impressive as a QB tonight than Michael Vick was in the game where he blew out BC and ran for 210 yards.
Marcus is 21. Michael was in the NFL at 21.
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It also gives them an out if they want to Dump MSU.
They can say that they are dropping them because of all the damage done by the flag planting incident
They can say that they are dropping them because of all the damage done by the flag planting incident
Gene is a real trustworthy source too, right? Where's the comments from the Notre Dame side? The locker room incident has nothing to do with why the series is ending. The way BC left the Big East is.
Michigan State has a long history with Notre Dame. MSU played ND when other Big 10 teams wouldn't when Fielding Yost of Michigan tried to create a boycott against ND and forced them to travel nationwide for games. Notre Dame will always play the teams that are rivals (USC, Michigan, MSU and to some extent Purdue) and Navy because of the way they came through for Notre Dame during WW2.
Gene knows what the truth is. If BC was still in the Big East, the series would have been continued. Instead, ND signed an agreement with Pitt, Rutgers and one other Big East team.
It's a great recruiting tool for ND too. Playing Rutgers at the Meadowlands is a great way to get the attention of all the quality high school kids in New Jersey. Playing BC brought ND nothing. It helped BC in recruiting and ticket sales.
Here's an article from the South Bend Tribune in June in regards to scheduling.
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In 2006 and 2007, ND will add a home game in each year to get up to the NCAA's new universal limit of 12 regular-season games. That will give Notre Dame seven home games and five away games both years
• Notre Dame's 2008 schedule was already ticketed for 12 games under the old NCAA stipulations, and its six-home-games and six-road-games breakdown will stay intact, but there already has been some opponent shifting.
• A home game against Pittsburgh, for example, was added on Nov. 1 of that year to kick off an eight-year, home-and-home series. And the previously scheduled '08 season opener with Virginia on Sept. 6 has been deleted.
• Beginning in 2009, Notre Dame aims to play seven home games each season along with four road games and a neutral site game that will move around the country and count as a home game as far a gate receipts and TV rights and revenue are concerned. "We'd go to different parts of the country," White said. "Places that don't get to see Notre Dame. Places that tie into bowl games. Places that tie into recruiting. We're really excited about it."
• Beginning in 2011 -- if not earlier -- Notre Dame has committed to playing three Big East teams each season. One of those games will be played in the New York City market, specifically Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, N.J., where the Irish are 11-0 all-time.
• In the bigger picture, this commitment along with ND's lingering ones means fewer home-and-home series than in the past. As many as three teams each year in the next decade will come to ND Stadium with no return date.
• The Boston College series, set to resume in 2007 after a two-year hiatus, will likely truncate before the next decade rolls around.
• The penciled-in 2009-10 series with North Carolina State has been erased.
• But home-and-homes with Oklahoma and Arizona State in the 2010s have been preserved.
• "With the commitments we have to USC and Stanford, the Big Ten teams, the Big East and to Navy, you can do that math," Heisler said. "There's almost more than you can deal with if you're going to play seven home games every year. We may be Johnny-come-latelies on the seven-home game thing, but I think we just want to be more strategic in what we're doing."
• Notre Dame's 2008 schedule was already ticketed for 12 games under the old NCAA stipulations, and its six-home-games and six-road-games breakdown will stay intact, but there already has been some opponent shifting.
• A home game against Pittsburgh, for example, was added on Nov. 1 of that year to kick off an eight-year, home-and-home series. And the previously scheduled '08 season opener with Virginia on Sept. 6 has been deleted.
• Beginning in 2009, Notre Dame aims to play seven home games each season along with four road games and a neutral site game that will move around the country and count as a home game as far a gate receipts and TV rights and revenue are concerned. "We'd go to different parts of the country," White said. "Places that don't get to see Notre Dame. Places that tie into bowl games. Places that tie into recruiting. We're really excited about it."
• Beginning in 2011 -- if not earlier -- Notre Dame has committed to playing three Big East teams each season. One of those games will be played in the New York City market, specifically Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, N.J., where the Irish are 11-0 all-time.
• In the bigger picture, this commitment along with ND's lingering ones means fewer home-and-home series than in the past. As many as three teams each year in the next decade will come to ND Stadium with no return date.
• The Boston College series, set to resume in 2007 after a two-year hiatus, will likely truncate before the next decade rolls around.
• The penciled-in 2009-10 series with North Carolina State has been erased.
• But home-and-homes with Oklahoma and Arizona State in the 2010s have been preserved.
• "With the commitments we have to USC and Stanford, the Big Ten teams, the Big East and to Navy, you can do that math," Heisler said. "There's almost more than you can deal with if you're going to play seven home games every year. We may be Johnny-come-latelies on the seven-home game thing, but I think we just want to be more strategic in what we're doing."
QUOTE (NDBoston @ Oct 28 2005, 09:01 PM)
Gene knows what the truth is. If BC was still in the Big East, the series would have been continued. Instead, ND signed an agreement with Pitt, Rutgers and one other Big East team.
Of course they would want to keep playing BC. If BC had remained in the Big East their recruiting classes would have started to drop in quality, and while they may have stayed a top 3 team in the new Big East, they certainly would have slowly dropped in terms of the quality of talent they would be putting on the field. No more Brian Toal caliber players.
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I'm still disappointed that QP complained about the line post-game
I didn't catch this. Could you tell me what he said or find a link? Thanks.
QUOTE (NDBoston @ Oct 28 2005, 05:01 PM)
The way BC left the Big East is.
Ah yes - the WAY we left. You're priceless ND.
QUOTE (NDBoston @ Oct 28 2005, 05:01 PM)
Playing BC brought ND nothing
It brought them a decent opponent who was willing to go to South Bend twice for every time ND came to Boston. An opponent who was good enough to be respectable but not good enough to actually beat ND (well, that backfired on ND obviously). An opponent who, being the only other Catholic school playing Div 1-A football called attention to ND's own Catholic heritage. It brought Notre Dame alumni living in the Boston area closer to the team which you would think would help donations - I mean, I have no idea how big ND's alumni base in Boston is. I'd imagine it's pretty big. But I don't know the actual economics of how important they are to the donation base. And doesn't playing BC bring Note Dame more recognition in the Boston market, not necessarily helping them with football recruiting (because the pickings are pretty slim here), but helping them recruit more New England students, helping their academic reputation? And while Boston in general doesn't pay much attention to BC football (compared to the pro teams), they certainly paid attention to the BC-ND game. ND would be one of the few opponents that could take advantage of the size of the Boston market in a way that say a Georgia Tech could not. I gotta believe that wouldn't be lost on NBC or ABC.
Granted, BC got MUCH more from playing ND than vice-versa, but it wasn't simply altruism on ND's part.
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The way BC left the Big East is.
That's too funny. Now ND is one of the offended in the Big East? ND's deal is a perfect example of why BC is no longer in the Big East. No committment yet they got the benefit of taking a BE spot in a decent bowl (Gator for example) and the benefit of playing in the BE for basketball.
ND knows there's no prestige in the BE ... that's why they use the benefits of the BE without giving back ... oh wait ... Rutgers is now on the schedule.
QUOTE (Dave Stapleton @ Oct 29 2005, 01:24 AM)
That's too funny. Now ND is one of the offended in the Big East? ND's deal is a perfect example of why BC is no longer in the Big East. No committment yet they got the benefit of taking a BE spot in a decent bowl (Gator for example) and the benefit of playing in the BE for basketball.
ND knows there's no prestige in the BE ... that's why they use the benefits of the BE without giving back ... oh wait ... Rutgers is now on the schedule.
ND knows there's no prestige in the BE ... that's why they use the benefits of the BE without giving back ... oh wait ... Rutgers is now on the schedule.
The reason the Big East got the Gator Bowl bid was because of Notre Dame. Without it, it doesn't happen.
QUOTE (BCSoxFan @ Oct 29 2005, 01:00 AM)
Ah yes - the WAY we left. You're priceless ND.
It brought them a decent opponent who was willing to go to South Bend twice for every time ND came to Boston. An opponent who was good enough to be respectable but not good enough to actually beat ND (well, that backfired on ND obviously). An opponent who, being the only other Catholic school playing Div 1-A football called attention to ND's own Catholic heritage. It brought Notre Dame alumni living in the Boston area closer to the team which you would think would help donations - I mean, I have no idea how big ND's alumni base in Boston is. I'd imagine it's pretty big. But I don't know the actual economics of how important they are to the donation base. And doesn't playing BC bring Note Dame more recognition in the Boston market, not necessarily helping them with football recruiting (because the pickings are pretty slim here), but helping them recruit more New England students, helping their academic reputation? And while Boston in general doesn't pay much attention to BC football (compared to the pro teams), they certainly paid attention to the BC-ND game. ND would be one of the few opponents that could take advantage of the size of the Boston market in a way that say a Georgia Tech could not. I gotta believe that wouldn't be lost on NBC or ABC.
Granted, BC got MUCH more from playing ND than vice-versa, but it wasn't simply altruism on ND's part.
It brought them a decent opponent who was willing to go to South Bend twice for every time ND came to Boston. An opponent who was good enough to be respectable but not good enough to actually beat ND (well, that backfired on ND obviously). An opponent who, being the only other Catholic school playing Div 1-A football called attention to ND's own Catholic heritage. It brought Notre Dame alumni living in the Boston area closer to the team which you would think would help donations - I mean, I have no idea how big ND's alumni base in Boston is. I'd imagine it's pretty big. But I don't know the actual economics of how important they are to the donation base. And doesn't playing BC bring Note Dame more recognition in the Boston market, not necessarily helping them with football recruiting (because the pickings are pretty slim here), but helping them recruit more New England students, helping their academic reputation? And while Boston in general doesn't pay much attention to BC football (compared to the pro teams), they certainly paid attention to the BC-ND game. ND would be one of the few opponents that could take advantage of the size of the Boston market in a way that say a Georgia Tech could not. I gotta believe that wouldn't be lost on NBC or ABC.
Granted, BC got MUCH more from playing ND than vice-versa, but it wasn't simply altruism on ND's part.
Notre Dame got very little out of playing BC. It is what it is.
Notre Dame ranks in the top 20 among all American colleges and universities in size of endowment (about $3 billion) and in annual voluntary support. Since 1984-85 the University has ranked first in the amount of money contributed annually by parents. It doesn't need a game in Boston to help that.
Notre Dame ranks as one of the nation's most selective universities, joining Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Dartmouth, Brown, MIT and Rice as the only schools that admit fewer than half of their freshman applicants and enroll more than half of those who are admitted. It's already too selective and doesn't need help in getting quality applicants to apply. ND is rated #17 in USNWR so their academic reputation is doing just fine too.
New England isn't a hot bed for quality football recruits. Anyone with knowledge of football recruiting will admit that. CT is the best when it comes to players in the area and even then it doesn't hold a candle to about 20 other states. Playing in the Meadowlands will get more exposure for those players than playing at BC. Not to mention the fact that New Jersey should be the real focus for any D1 team recruiting in the Northeast.
Most alums would rather travel to the Meadowlands or go to South Bend for a game from the ones I've talked with. For whatever reason, we aren't treated very well in Chestnut Hill. It's like a switch is flipped when ND comes to town. Alumni Stadium actually becomes a hostile environment for Notre Dame fans and the team and it's not a enjoyable place to be at. I was a season ticket holder for the years ND played at BC and it was night and day compared to any other game.
Notre Dame already takes advantage of the Boston market. It routinely beats BC in TV ratings and gets plenty of coverage now that Charlie Weis is the coach.
I see the natural rival for BC to be UConn. They should play every year in football.
wrong thread
QUOTE (NDBoston @ Oct 29 2005, 08:31 AM)
Notre Dame got very little out of playing BC. It is what it is..
They got a couple of fantastic losses on national TV. They can't take that away.
QUOTE (Lose Remerswaal @ Oct 29 2005, 01:53 PM)
They got a couple of fantastic losses on national TV. They can't take that away.
Good luck in your rival games with Syracuse or UConn. That should light a fire for recruiting.
QUOTE (NDBoston @ Oct 29 2005, 08:31 AM)
Notre Dame got very little out of playing BC. It is what it is.
Notre Dame ranks in the top 20 among all American colleges and universities in size of endowment (about $3 billion) and in annual voluntary support. Since 1984-85 the University has ranked first in the amount of money contributed annually by parents. It doesn't need a game in Boston to help that.
Notre Dame ranks as one of the nation's most selective universities, joining Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Dartmouth, Brown, MIT and Rice as the only schools that admit fewer than half of their freshman applicants and enroll more than half of those who are admitted. It's already too selective and doesn't need help in getting quality applicants to apply. ND is rated #17 in USNWR so their academic reputation is doing just fine too.
New England isn't a hot bed for quality football recruits. Anyone with knowledge of football recruiting will admit that. CT is the best when it comes to players in the area and even then it doesn't hold a candle to about 20 other states. Playing in the Meadowlands will get more exposure for those players than playing at BC. Not to mention the fact that New Jersey should be the real focus for any D1 team recruiting in the Northeast.
Most alums would rather travel to the Meadowlands or go to South Bend for a game from the ones I've talked with. For whatever reason, we aren't treated very well in Chestnut Hill. It's like a switch is flipped when ND comes to town. Alumni Stadium actually becomes a hostile environment for Notre Dame fans and the team and it's not a enjoyable place to be at. I was a season ticket holder for the years ND played at BC and it was night and day compared to any other game.
Notre Dame already takes advantage of the Boston market. It routinely beats BC in TV ratings and gets plenty of coverage now that Charlie Weis is the coach.
I see the natural rival for BC to be UConn. They should play every year in football.
Notre Dame ranks in the top 20 among all American colleges and universities in size of endowment (about $3 billion) and in annual voluntary support. Since 1984-85 the University has ranked first in the amount of money contributed annually by parents. It doesn't need a game in Boston to help that.
Notre Dame ranks as one of the nation's most selective universities, joining Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Dartmouth, Brown, MIT and Rice as the only schools that admit fewer than half of their freshman applicants and enroll more than half of those who are admitted. It's already too selective and doesn't need help in getting quality applicants to apply. ND is rated #17 in USNWR so their academic reputation is doing just fine too.
New England isn't a hot bed for quality football recruits. Anyone with knowledge of football recruiting will admit that. CT is the best when it comes to players in the area and even then it doesn't hold a candle to about 20 other states. Playing in the Meadowlands will get more exposure for those players than playing at BC. Not to mention the fact that New Jersey should be the real focus for any D1 team recruiting in the Northeast.
Most alums would rather travel to the Meadowlands or go to South Bend for a game from the ones I've talked with. For whatever reason, we aren't treated very well in Chestnut Hill. It's like a switch is flipped when ND comes to town. Alumni Stadium actually becomes a hostile environment for Notre Dame fans and the team and it's not a enjoyable place to be at. I was a season ticket holder for the years ND played at BC and it was night and day compared to any other game.
Notre Dame already takes advantage of the Boston market. It routinely beats BC in TV ratings and gets plenty of coverage now that Charlie Weis is the coach.
I see the natural rival for BC to be UConn. They should play every year in football.
Wow - no lecture on the WAY we left the Big East as well? You're such a tool man. Always shopping that self-important resume.
Ah well, it's posts like the one above that make you so appealing.
Go wake up the echoes my man. You've earned it.
NDBoston is making me hate Charlie Weis.
QUOTE (BCSoxFan @ Oct 29 2005, 03:57 PM)
Wow - no lecture on the WAY we left the Big East as well? You're such a tool man. Always shopping that self-important resume.
Ah well, it's posts like the one above that make you so appealing.
Go wake up the echoes my man. You've earned it.
Ah well, it's posts like the one above that make you so appealing.
Go wake up the echoes my man. You've earned it.
I responded to your points on alumni contributions, recruiting and getting quality applicants. Where was I inaccurate in my post?
I'm sorry that you needed to get personal with your response. It's clear the discussion is over.
Good luck to BC on the rest of their season.
I thought that the ND-BC series being over was known months and months ago. The UConn people were discussing how they and Rutgers were going to be playing ND at the new football stadium in NYC at the beginning of the new decade back in April/May. I wrote about it on this baord at that time,a s well. I think Syracuse will also be part of that on a rotating basis or something. It also suggests (not sure) that ND will be going along in some fashion with the football schools when the BE splits into two. Not as a full member of course, but with a understood # of games and bowl tie-ins and membership in all other sports.
I don't understand what NDBoston said that was so incriminating or incorrect?
I don't understand what NDBoston said that was so incriminating or incorrect?
QUOTE (NDBoston @ Oct 29 2005, 05:55 PM)
I'm sorry that you needed to get personal with your response. It's clear the discussion is over.
Fair enough bro - too harsh. I apologize.
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