Yoan Moncada to be called up on Friday

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I still see Shaw on the bench tonight. They just had an off day and have another coming up so I don't think anyone really needs another day of rest. I doubt he'd just be thrown into that huge outfield but could see it maybe in Fenway if at all.
Do you mean throwing Shaw out in LF? If they did, it wouldn't be as though he'd be playing LF against a killer right handed strong lineup like Toronto. These are the A's. I'd really like to see if Shaw could build on last night's game. Start him in left. If he messes up or looks rough out there, you can bring in Holt.
 

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It was mentioned upthread about Shaw and LF, and I think he could in a pinch, but I don't think he's taken flies out there any time recently, and Oakland is kind of a tough place to start.

He has only played 3 innings there in each of the two seasons.
 

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You guys are crazy thinking Shaw can cover the massive OF in Oakland. He has very little range, moves like C-3POlerud in the OF and had his big game off JB WENDELKEN, a AAA pitcher (HR & 2B off him). I don't like Young hitting vs. Rs but this OF is massive and has a shit-ton of foul territory too.
 

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Of course this would be one too many wrinkles to throw at Moncada so quickly, but in terms of athletic gifts it would probably make a whole lot more sense to put him in LF than Shaw.
What, so he could immediately snap his leg off in an unfilled goalpost hole or something? No thanks.
 

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You guys are crazy thinking Shaw can cover the massive OF in Oakland. He has very little range, moves like C-3POlerud in the OF and had his big game off JB WENDELKEN, a AAA pitcher (HR & 2B off him). I don't like Young hitting vs. Rs but this OF is massive and has a shit-ton of foul territory too.
I think it's crazy that this "play Shaw in LF" continues to persist at all. His extremely limited experience there has come mostly as on a last resort/emergency basis.

I can't see why they would elect to play him out there if any other outfielder on the roster is available. He shouldn't play LF ahead of Young, Holt or Hernandez (or even Marrero). And that's regardless of how well or poorly he may be swinging the bat at the moment.
 

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I think it's crazy that this "play Shaw in LF" continues to persist at all. His extremely limited experience there has come mostly as on a last resort/emergency basis.

I can't see why they would elect to play him out there if any other outfielder on the roster is available. He shouldn't play LF ahead of Young, Holt or Hernandez (or even Marrero). And that's regardless of how well or poorly he may be swinging the bat at the moment.
Maddon would do it!!
 

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O.co is not that big.

Now, Coors Field is big.

Rodgers is probably bigger than O.co (shitty pic).
Well, Oakland has a lot of foul territory. But Manny played LF in all those parks. Shaw could too. Probably want a defensive replacement in late innings when you have a lead. Young obviously is a better defender, but his numbers suggest he won't hit much against RHP'ers, so if they think Shaw is hot and want his bat in the lineup, then it makes sense. I just don't think Farrell is going to attach too much weight to 1 game against awful pitching, so Young in LF is fine with me.
 

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So we spent multiple posts discussing Shaw in LF because he had a good night at the plate last night?

Interesting.
 

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somewhat amusing story from Jeff Passan
some snippets

Freedom is a 1.8-ounce piece of sponge cake with a cream filling. It is too many sprays of cologne. It is a washer and dryer. It is everything the teenage boy did not know, did not understand, when he left Cuba and arrived in the United States with an ability to play baseball that inspired a bidding war like none seen before.
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New York wanted Moncada at $25 million. Hastings said another team was over $30 million. The Yankees refused to budge. Hastings said Moncada would go elsewhere. The Yankees pulled their offer. Hastings called Eddie Romero, the Red Sox’s VP of international scouting, and said: “We’ve got a deal.” Just like that, over the course of two minutes, a 6-foot-2, 205-pound, switch-hitting infielder with game-breaking speed, legitimate power and a jeweler’s eye went from being convinced he was a Yankee – “I really thought that’s where I’d end up,” Moncada said – to the Red Sox.
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Nothing brought Yoan Moncada, a teenage boy stuck inside a man’s body, quite the satisfaction of a Twinkie. He never could limit himself to one. Or two. He wolfed them down like a snake eating its prey whole. This may sound like an exaggeration, and it may be apocryphal, but those closest to Moncada swear it’s true: One time, over the course of one week, he ate 225 Twinkies.
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Moncada will eat just about anything. On Thanksgiving in 2014, the Hastingses hosted a party for about 100 people. On the island in their kitchen sat cookies, candy, cakes, all sorts of sweets, and to keep ants away, they set bright-colored boric-acid traps. Moncada thought it was liquid candy and tried to eat it before screams of “No!” caused him to drop it. This wasn’t the first time Moncada mistook a household item for food. He once tried to ingest a berry-scented liquid air freshener, too.
Much more at the link..

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-education-of-yoan-moncada-201005541.html
 

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I take back what I said earlier about the posts in this thread not being silly. In my defense at the time there was only one post about Shaw playing in the outfield. The silliness has increased dramatically since then.
 

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I take back what I said earlier about the posts in this thread not being silly. In my defense at the time there was only one post about Shaw playing in the outfield. The silliness has increased dramatically since then.
And I was really just fucking around, musing out loud while I was waiting for my breakfast at my local diner.
 
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No worries, there a movement in the making:





Moncada just got his first AB from the right side. SIngle up the middle on the first pitch.
 

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He has an absolute, utter canon for an arm. He's Adrian Beltre with speed.

He shouldn't play any position but third for a long time. I'll assume he goes back to the minors to start next season, but it absolutely has to be at third base.

And my god, Benintendi, Bradley, Betts, Bogaerts, Moncada for the next ten years.
 

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He has an absolute, utter canon for an arm. He's Adrian Beltre with speed.

He shouldn't play any position but third for a long time. I'll assume he goes back to the minors to start next season, but it absolutely has to be at third base.

And my god, Benintendi, Bradley, Betts, Bogaerts, Moncada for the next ten years.
Don't give up on Swihart
 

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It might just be that 2nd is slightly higher on the defensive spectrum and they kept him there as long as they could. He'd probably make a fine right fielder, too.
 

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He has an absolute, utter canon for an arm. He's Adrian Beltre with speed.

He shouldn't play any position but third for a long time. I'll assume he goes back to the minors to start next season, but it absolutely has to be at third base.

And my god, Benintendi, Bradley, Betts, Bogaerts, Moncada for the next ten years.
No way they can fit all those guys on the same payroll post free agency if they're anywhere near as good as they are now/supposed to be.
 

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No way they can fit all those guys on the same payroll post free agency if they're anywhere near as good as they are now/supposed to be.
Sure they could. Baseball is awash with money, the Sox are swimming in cash whenever they field a competitive team, and there's a new CBA on the way.

However, the only way the Sox are actually likely to be able to keep that much positional talent is by developing their own starting pitching into minimum-salary aces at the same time all the hitters reach market-rate.

So yeah, keep your fingers crossed on Groome and Kopech becoming the real deal.
 

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I'm not. Imagine if he wins the starting catcher job. Benintendi, Bradley, Bets, Moncada, Bogaerts, Pedroia, Swihart...you and I could DH and cover first.
If you don't mind, I'm going hold off on imagining anyone else catching until Sandy stops being a 900+ OPS guy.
 

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Chiming in from Germany to remind people that he had a very different split in A Ball, and that the samples are tiny on his numbers v LHP in Portland. So who knows?
Last night I liked his base hit up the middle batting RH more than his semi-accidental double to left batting LH.
 

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When it was first reported that Yoan would get a call up, most speculated he could steal a bag for us in the playoffs! I remember an article about how the Red Sox break down their scouting info, and who does what. If you scroll down to the very bottom of the article was a nice tidbit on Torey, and how he picked up something looking at video, which served us well in the playoffs!
Yoan has some learning' to do!

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/06/06/red-sox-know-success-comes-with-studying/MTwT3sJojZZDv5S8axfLkJ/story.html?p1=Team_LeadArticle#comments
 

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Obviously it's way too early for any real conclusion, but I'm surprised people are talking about him returning to the minors next season. Is it to control another year of FA?

If the Red Sox think he can hit about .250, play adequate defense, and continue to show incredible speed, he's the best 3B we have in the system. Of course, in all probability he does much better than that
 

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Anyone believes that at this stage Moncada projects to be like Manny Machado?
Ha, in our collective dreams. Moncada's glove is questionable, Machado is the 2nd coming of Brooks Robinson.
IF Pablo comes back in decent shape, I'd expect him to have a bounce back year in 2017. The Sox would have to give Pablo a month or two of starts, while Yoan works primarily on his defense at 3rd, plus some time at 1st and OF at Pawtucket.
Yoan is still only 21 and took a year off in 2014, he needs more coaching/refinement.
 

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Ha, in our collective dreams. Moncada's glove is questionable, Machado is the 2nd coming of Brooks Robinson.
IF Pablo comes back in decent shape, I'd expect him to have a bounce back year in 2017. The Sox would have to give Pablo a month or two of starts, while Yoan works primarily on his defense at 3rd, plus some time at 1st and OF at Pawtucket.
Yoan is still only 21 and took a year off in 2014, he needs more coaching/refinement.
So you expect him to spend 2 months in Pawtucket learning 3B...but also 1B and the OF? Seems like an awful lot of moving around, and I really don't see any chance he moves to the OF on this Red Sox team..... and seems like it would be a huge waste of his athleticism and arm to hide him at 1B.

I really don't see any need to move him anywhere. Sorry Pablo, I don't need to see you for 2 months at 3B.
 

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IF Pablo comes back in decent shape, I'd expect him to have a bounce back year in 2017. The Sox would have to give Pablo a month or two of starts, while Yoan works primarily on his defense at 3rd, plus some time at 1st and OF at Pawtucket.
Yoan is still only 21 and took a year off in 2014, he needs more coaching/refinement.
And after getting picked off 1st yesterday, I think you can add baserunning to the list of stuff he might get asked to refine in AAA. Considering how Benintendi got hurt trying to get back to 2b after straying too far, I don't think there should be any question that one big leap these AA guys need to make is just how much faster and more precisely the MLB game is played.

On the other hand, if Moncada keeps spraying liners all over the field, the Sox have to think about keeping him in MLB from Opening Day next year like they did with Bogaerts, and hope he keeps up with learning this stuff on the fly.
 

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So you expect him to spend 2 months in Pawtucket learning 3B...but also 1B and the OF? Seems like an awful lot of moving around, and I really don't see any chance he moves to the OF on this Red Sox team..... and seems like it would be a huge waste of his athleticism and arm to hide him at 1B.

I really don't see any need to move him anywhere. Sorry Pablo, I don't need to see you for 2 months at 3B.
You may not need to, but the Sox do, if for no other reason to hope to build up enough of a trade market to dump his contract next year. Anyone who thinks Pablo is simply going to languish away in the minors a la Allen Craig (not possible) or simply be cut without being given a least a couple of months to prove that cutting him is the only option left for the front office is nuts. He's going to play in Boston early next year whether we like it or not.

As for Moncada, there are a number of scenarios in which he could end up in the outfield in Fenway that aren't too hard to imagine, but I think we can all agree that the most emotionally satisfying outcome would be him taking over at third to preserve the home grown offense dream so many of us are getting giddy about. That said, if they trade JBJ for a starter and move Mookie back to center, Moncada has the tools to make a fine right fielder eventually. They could also move Benintendi, whose value is probably about as high as it's ever been after the way he stormed onto the scene in August.

Either way, more time in the minors is almost assuredly in Moncada's future while a few other things are getting sorted out.
 

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There's also the reality that Moncada will be BBQ'd by the Fenway Faithful if he's butchering a play a game at 3B. Not the best environment for breaking in a raw, young player.
 

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You may not need to, but the Sox do, if for no other reason to hope to build up enough of a trade market to dump his contract next year. Anyone who thinks Pablo is simply going to languish away in the minors a la Allen Craig (not possible) or simply be cut without being given a least a couple of months to prove that cutting him is the only option left for the front office is nuts. He's going to play in Boston early next year whether we like it or not.

As for Moncada, there are a number of scenarios in which he could end up in the outfield in Fenway that aren't too hard to imagine, but I think we can all agree that the most emotionally satisfying outcome would be him taking over at third to preserve the home grown offense dream so many of us are getting giddy about. That said, if they trade JBJ for a starter and move Mookie back to center, Moncada has the tools to make a fine right fielder eventually. They could also move Benintendi, whose value is probably about as high as it's ever been after the way he stormed onto the scene in August.

Either way, more time in the minors is almost assuredly in Moncada's future while a few other things are getting sorted out.
Nope, Moncada should see no time whatsoever in the OF, when he's already converted to the Red Sox position of greatest need. He needs to consolidate his practice time and game experience at 3B, so he can get used to playing the spin of cue shots and coming in on grounders and letting balls roll foul...the sort of decisions he wouldn't have to make at 2B.

Because there's no need for an OF, there's no need to fill any other position than 3B, and there's no need for a starter.

Basically, the only thing DDski needs to sort our for 2017 is where to get some better relievers, and how to deal with the giant hole at DH.

I say this because I disagree that Panda would actually regain a significant amount of value in 50 games. The only thing that has a chance to do is confirm a negative expectation, because the potential for improvement is already established by his good seasons in SF.

Therefore, I think the smart move is to trade him for whatever you can get during theach winter, based on glowing reports of how much better he's doing post-surgery and fistfull's of JWH's money.

And let Moncada play.