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Yankees Spring Training news and notes

Discussion in '2017 Yankees Game Threads' started by ThePrideofShiner, Feb 17, 2017.

  1. ThePrideofShiner

    ThePrideofShiner spooky action from a distance SoSH Member

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    Well, this is why Carter was a good signing:



    Tweet 1: Tyler Austin has small break in foot and will be in a boot for 3 weeks and no baseball activity for 6 weeks.



    Tweet 2: Austin was injured hitting ball off his foot in batting practice.
     
  2. ThePrideofShiner

    ThePrideofShiner spooky action from a distance SoSH Member

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    And one more, Mason Williams hurt and will miss two weeks.

     
  3. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    Yeah, that Carter signing looking decidedly better right now. Neither Austin nor Williams would probably make the team if everyone ahead of them is healthy, but they would both be the next guys called up from AAA at their respective positions.
     
  4. jon abbey

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    I actually totally forgot about Refsnyder, but these injuries likely push him up the depth charts at both 1B and RF, he may get another chance with NY after all.
     
  5. Wingack

    Wingack Yankee Mod Dope SoSH Member

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    These things have a way of working themselves out.
     
  6. hbk72777

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    The old adage "You can never have enough depth"
     
  7. jon abbey

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    NY wins the arb case with Betances, so he gets $3M in his first arb season (up from $500K), not the $5M he was asking for. This was NY's first arb case since 2008.
     
  8. jon abbey

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    Not that it is news, but Randy Levine continues to be a huge fucking asshole and an embarrassment to the Yankee organization. After the arbitration was settled, Betances was ready to report to camp without a grudge, he basically understood it was just the system, but then Levine unloaded on him in a press conference for no reason:

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    The Yankees’ executive did not hold back when discussing the arbitration case on Saturday morning. Levine said that Betances’ agent made a ”half baked attempt” to “use a player to change a well-established market.” In addition, he stated that a $3 million salary should be a “great victory for Dellin Betances” and his request for more money ”had no bearings in reality.”

    “$5 million goes to elite closers,” Levine said. “Pitchers who pitch the ninth inning and have a lot of saves. Dellin didn’t have that record. He never did.”

    “It’s like me saying, I’m not the president of the Yankees, I’m an astronaut,” Levine added. “I’m not an astronaut and Dellin Betances is not a closer.”

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    So now Betances will likely be traded sooner rather than later, maybe that was already the case. One also wonders if he will still pitch multiple innings if asked, all so unnecessary. Fuck you, Levine.
     
  9. luckysox

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    Wow. That was a massively d*ck move, even from a known d*ck. I have trouble thinking that players, because they are just human, don't keep this sort of thing firmly in their minds when it happens. There's just no reason to antagonize or embarrass a guy like this. He lost the case, he knows it, shut up and move on.
     
  10. soxhop411

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    His agent:


    When did the Yankees hire James Dolan?

    http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/...rbitration-closer-salary-ken-rosenthal-021817
     
  11. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    Levine has always been an asshole, he is just generally behind the scenes. Hopefully Hal and/or Cashman will step in and try to smooth this over a bit publicly and privately, but this really has to make you think NY plans to deal Betances this season, before the next arbitration hearing makes things even worse. And yes, even if they've decided that, this is idiotic as it probably impacts his trade value since teams now know NY would like to move him, all else being equal. So so so dumb.
     
  12. grimshaw

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    Betances must have refused to shave his sideburns or something. Nothing else could possibly justify Levine's behavior.
     
  13. EvilEmpire

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    Disheartening to see Levine act this way. It isn't a surprise, but I'm disappointed he wasn't kept in check by Hal or Cashman.
     
  14. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    Hopefully the result will be that he doesn't do it again in the future, but the damage from this one has already been done.
     
  15. jon abbey

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  18. Average Reds

    Average Reds Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    The only explanation I have for Levine's behavior is that he's been watching Roger Goodell for the past two years and thinking to himself:

    "This is the only guy in pro sports who gets it. I'm going to bide my time until the circumstances are just right, and then I'm going to hit the re-set button on the power relationship between players, their union and the owners."
     
  19. Boggs26

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    If that's the case, I think he's delusional. It happens in the NFL because careers are so short the Union isn't willing to fight as hard or go on strike. The MLBPA had shown that they will fight - partially because the average career is long enough that most members will not lose a majority of their earnings by missing a season.
     
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  21. bosox79

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    I love the fact Levine thinks there's still some mysterious closer gene and that Dellin doesn't have it.
     
  22. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    To be fair, he did suck down the stretch when put in that role, but mostly I agree with you.
     
  23. jon abbey

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  24. BigSoxFan

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    To be even more fair, he probably sucked because Girardi made him throw like 1,000 innings. Give Betances a fresh start in a closer role and he's easily a top 5 or 6 guy. But he's obviously more valuable as the Yankees bullpen Swiss Army knife.
     
  25. hbk72777

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    Most of his troubles were with men on base and fielding though.
     
  26. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    Again, not really disagreeing, but it's interesting to note that in the back of the new Baseball Prospectus annual, they rank all of the current managers on something they call wRM+, which is how good managers are at matching their best relievers to the game's biggest moments. Girardi has the best career ranking of any current manager, here are some of the rankings of more prominent names:

    Girardi 105.3
    Bochy 104.1
    Francona 100.0
    Farrell 99.0
    Maddon 98.8
    Cash 98.4
    Showalter 98.2
    Gibbons 95.4

    Of course, this may be the same point you're making, he used Betances too much instead of lesser options, but worth noting anyway, I thought.
     
  27. bosox79

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    Girardi's also had some pretty insane bullpens to work with. Plus, Betances probably offers more value in the way he is used than a traditional closer's usage anyway. The term "closer" just seems outdated. Betances is a relief ace.
     
  28. jon abbey

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    The real problem is that the players/union never should have agreed to the new CBA, and now young players will continue to be (relatively) fucked through the 2021 season. Everyone assumed that even though more and more of the best players are pre-free agency, that teams would continue to overpay for older players once they hit free agency. Well, a few months later, we see that that isn't really the case anymore, and that some or all of that money should be funnelled to players earlier in their career, but the union has lost the right to negotiate this until 2021, which is a long long way away.
     
  29. bosox79

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    You are overlooking the other thing the CBA eliminates next year that could have a pretty big impact on FA signings. Teams just don't want to sacrifice picks.
     
  30. BigSoxFan

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    Yup, agreed. Betances is a tough case because he'll be 29 in March and still has 2 more arbitration years before he hits FA. Due to his position and age, he basically has one chance to cash in and 3 years is an eternity for a relief pitcher. Not sure how willing the Yankees would be to offering him a long-term deal but Betances seems like a guy who may want to cash in now and forego a year or two of FA.
     
  31. jon abbey

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    That is definitely true, but it's not like teams were jumping on most of the guys without compensation attached either.

    I think the aspect really overlooked by most people that I've been talking about for a few years here is roster flexibility. Every player on your team without options is a loss of roster flexibility. In some/many cases that doesn't matter, but at times it leads to guys clogging the roster solely because of their contracts (Pablo Sandoval, AJ Burnett on the Yankees, plenty of other examples). This is another aspect that has hurt free agents in general, and was not factored into the new CBA as far as I can tell.

    Anyway, this is all getting away from NY spring training talk, so let's try to keep this thread to that and start a new thread on the CBA if we need.
     
  32. jon abbey

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    NY signs Jon Niese to a minor league deal, Joel Sherman says NY will consider him as both a starter and reliever. He was pretty solid for a back-end starter before last year and is only 30, but hopefully he doesn't take a roster spot away from someone with more upside, and they can just stash him in AAA for an emergency.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/niesejo01.shtml
     
  33. Wingack

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    I think it is a solid move in for a team with lots of youngsters. You need some experienced arms like this to fill in here and there.

    Also, I added a Yankees to this thread title so people don't get confused and start posting Brewers info in here.
     
  34. jon abbey

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    Girardi says Niese is competing for a bullpen spot, not a rotation spot, so that is good at least.
     
  35. Wingack

    Wingack Yankee Mod Dope SoSH Member

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    Sure, but he still a good guy to have to slide into the starting rotation.

    It is no sure thing that Tanaka and CC and going to be healthy all year long and at the same time. No one would be surprised if they suffered season ending injuries. Sometimes you just need innings, and the Yankees could do worse than Niese. And heck, if he is any good, he can be traded.
     
  36. jon abbey

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    Theoretically, but here are the guys I'd like to see get a shot before him, in approximate order: Severino, Cessa, Montgomery, Green and Adams. Warren and Mitchell should be in the bullpen, and if those five plus Tanaka/Pineda/CC can't fill the five rotation spots, and guys like Kaprielian and Sheffield aren't ready, then and only then do I want Niese in the NY rotation.
     
  37. wallypip

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    I don't get Niese as a matchup option as Girardi has said. His stuff and his splits really don't indicate that he is going to have success in short relief. I can see him as a long man/spot starter because of his heavy ground ball tendencies, but I'm not sure you need to carry a veteran for that. It seems to me that he has to be healthy enough to at least be a possible starting option, or perhaps the Yankees don't want to use a younger pitcher as the 12th man and Girardi doesn't want to come out the gate calling him a mop-up man.
     
  38. jon abbey

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    Niese is basically a Richard Bleier replacement that they don't have to use a 40 man roster spot on unless he makes the team. Bleier had to be DFAd to clear a spot for Chris Carter, he was traded to the Orioles today for future considerations.
     
  39. Wingack

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    Yankees first spring training game today, it will be available on MLB Network.
     
  40. crow216

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    I think Girardi is looking for his new Alfredo Aceves. Someone who can go 2-3 innings 3 times a week while the staff sorts itself out. At least that's how the matchup argument strikes me.
     
  41. jon abbey

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    No one can pitch that much in relief, that would be in the 150 inning range, give or take. Aceves' high with NY was 84 innings.

    Also they will likely have Warren and Mitchell in the pen in front of Clippard/Betances/Chapman, and those two should be able to cover a lot if innings if they're healthy.
     
  42. jon abbey

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    Didi hitting second today, goes DeepDeep on the first pitch he sees.
     
  43. jon abbey

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    Aaron Judge hits one off the scoreboard, 2-0 in the 6th. 4 Yankee pitchers (Mitchell/Clippard/Layne/Cessa) have retired all 18 Phillies batters so far.
     
  44. jon abbey

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  45. terrynever

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    It's more fun watching the kids! I used to turn off the TV once the regulars were pulled. Now you start watching when the regulars exit. Ball jumps off Frazier's bat, too. The RF thought he had a bead on that liner and he didn't get there.
    Judge's power is startling.
     
  46. Wingack

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    Absolutely. I loved what I saw from them today. Andujar driving the ball with a double and a triple. Fowler too. This is going to be very fun.
     
  47. Wingack

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    Three more things. Kyle Higashioka hit an absolute bomb today. The Yankees are going to have to find away to get him up to the majors this year.

    Jordan Montgomery is huge, if doesn't wind up a starter I could definitely see him coming in as an intimidating LOOGY. And I thought he looked OK today too even though the line isn't going to look great. There was some poor defense behind him (Torres) and there was a bad hop off the mound that led to the first single of the game.

    Frazier is just fun to watch play. He kind of reminds me of Aaron Rowand, though I doubt he is as a good defender as he was and Frazier might have the chance to be a better all around offensive player.
     
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    It was also fun watching the kids take extra bases. Frazier made it to third on his liner up the gap in right. Andujar got to third on a fly ball into the RF corner that was misplayed by Coghlan into a triple. This is refreshing after Yankee fans spent the past few years watching station-to-station baserunning from the middle of the lineup. A-Rod, Beltran, McCann.
    Montgomery is a big lefty who pitches downhill, over the top, kind of similar to Pettitte and Lester. Doesn't mean he's going to make it. Again, fun to watch.
     
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    The kids are starting today.
     

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    Torres doubled down the third base line leading off the third and scored first run of game.
    Adam Warren with two scoreless innings.
     

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