WS Game 6

[E5 Yaz]

 
And they should start him. Have him start with the 40 pitches and keep him in until he looks like he is going to lose it.
 
Rather than bring him down two runs to stop the bleeding.

 
And if he has nothing? Then you're left with bringing Hudson or Vogelsong in for long relief.
 
The threat of Bumgarner being the bridge reliever might be more effective

 

[E5 Yaz]

 
They could have spent 15 minutes discussing how Posey likely could have kept the 9th run from scoring by blocking the plate, but the new rule forbids it.

 
Fair enough ... but any 15 minute rules discussion that involves Harold Reynolds might be 17 minutes too long

 

[Jack Rabbit Slim]

 
And if he has nothing? Then you're left with bringing Hudson or Vogelsong in for long relief.
 
The threat of Bumgarner being the bridge reliever might be more effective

 
I agree.  If Bumgarner starts and has nothing, then you might be out of the game early.  Start Hudson and if he pitches well, you don't need Bumgarner.  If he is bad/mediocre, Bumgarner pitching well is your last chance anyway so have a quick hook.

 

[Harry Hooper]

 
Fair enough ... but any 15 minute rules discussion that involves Harold Reynolds might be 17 minutes too long

 
Fair enough!

 

[staz]

Who cares about your MLB career, Harold.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Wow, this kid's a dick.

 

[staz]

Wow, this kid's a dick.

Yeah, SF is going to go apeshit tomorrow.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Harold Reynolds loves him some Foxtrack.  "And watch this production assistant as she covers 110 feet in three seconds..."

 

[rembrat]

Wow, this kid's a dick.

 
The Giants should try getting hits off him. 

 

[E5 Yaz]

Wow, this kid's a dick.

 
Far too amped tonight. In tears in the locker room before the game over Oscar Tavares.
 
Of course, young Pedro was obnoxious at times as well

 

[soxhop411]

Canseco pulled a plaxico burress today

 

[glasspusher]

Who cares about your MLB career, Harold.

 
Well, if you guys can't appreciate the nuance of 12 years of mediocrity...

 

[E5 Yaz]

Giants say, "Oh yeah? You think your pitcher's insane ... here's Hunter Strickland!"

 

[E5 Yaz]

Who cares about your MLB career, Harold.

 
Apparently a Chicago lawyer does
 
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/reynoha01.shtml?redir

 

[Dan to Theo to Ben]

You guys do realize that Hudson is the active wins leader, right? Not that wins means much, or that his age means little, but he's not drek.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Canseco pulled a plaxico burress today

 
"Discharged:  Wild Times, Rampant Firearms, Lost Digits And How My Hand Surgeon Bought A Second Home." 

 

[Ed Hillel]

Far too amped tonight. In tears in the locker room before the game over Oscar Tavares.
 
Of course, young Pedro was obnoxious at times as well

He definitely reminds me of Pedro, but I think Pedro spoke more with his pitching. He'd go up and in, but with a reason. I don't think staring guys down or doing Michael Jackson kicks is anything but taunting. Maybe Pedro did worse, it just felt different to me.

 

[E5 Yaz]

You guys do realize that Hudson is the active wins leader, right? Not that wins means much, or that his age means little, but he's not drek.

 
Wins?

 

[Harry Hooper]

Strickland, "I wont let you down, Coach."
 
Bochy, "There's no way you can."

 

[Wingack]

 
And if he has nothing? Then you're left with bringing Hudson or Vogelsong in for long relief.
 
The threat of Bumgarner being the bridge reliever might be more effective

 
If he has nothing in the first or nothing in the seventh he still has nothing. I say start him and see where he is at, the Royals fear of him may simply get him through a couple of early easy innings.

 

[Al Zarilla]

 
Well, if you guys can't appreciate the nuance of 12 years of mediocrity...

Was he good field, no hit, or no field, no hit. 

 

[E5 Yaz]

Strickland, "I wont let you down, Coach."
 
Bochy, "There's no way you can."

 
lol

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

I like how Reynolds and Buck are discussing how strong and ripped Strickland is.  If they had any stones, they would say what everyone is thinking about a guy who used to throw in the low 90s but now has eight more miles on his fastball.

 

[Dan to Theo to Ben]

 
Wins?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/W_active.shtml

 

[dynomite]

 
No question, more impressive than three rings in ten years even. I'm just not sure it fits the dynasty label. Of course, I'm also not sure that it doesn't fit the dynasty label.

 
Waaaayyyyyyyy late on this, but this is such a classic "sports bar" argument I couldn't resist.  
 
I personally (and arbitrarily) don't consider a team a "dynasty" unless they win back-to-back at some point during their run.
 
NFL: The 00s Patriots, 90s Cowboys, 80s 49ers, and 70s Steelers all won back-to-back at some point in their run.
MLB: The 90s Yankees, 70s Reds and A's, the 50s and 30s and 20s Yankees all won back-to-back.
NBA: The 10s Heat, the 00s Lakers, the 90s Bulls, etc. etc.
 
If the Giants win tomorrow it will be a great run, but more akin to the '81/'84/'86 Celtics run, which was legendary and incredible but is remembered as great "rivalry" with the Lakers, not a "dynasty."

 

[rembrat]

He definitely reminds me of Pedro, but I think Pedro spoke more with his pitching. He'd go up and in, but with a reason. I don't think staring guys down or doing Michael Jackson kicks is anything but taunting. Maybe Pedro did worse, it just felt different to me.

 
I think throwing darts at someone's head is worse than looking at a guy for a few seconds. Plus it's been covered that Ventura is pitching with a heavy heart today. I don't think he usually does this stuff.

 

[E5 Yaz]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/W_active.shtml

 
Yes, I know how to find counting stats

 

[Al Zarilla]

I like how Reynolds and Buck are discussing how strong and ripped Strickland is.  If they had any stones, they would say what everyone is thinking about a guy who used to throw in the low 90s but now has eight more miles on his fastball.

They would just say that he matured late. 

 

[E5 Yaz]

 
Waaaayyyyyyyy late on this, but this is such a classic "sports bar" argument I couldn't resist.  
 
I personally (and arbitrarily) don't consider a team a "dynasty" unless they win back-to-back at some point during their run.
 
NFL: The 00s Patriots, 90s Cowboys, 80s 49ers, and 70s Steelers all won back-to-back at some point in their run.
MLB: The 90s Yankees, 70s Reds and A's, the 50s and 30s and 20s Yankees all won back-to-back.
NBA: The 10s Heat, the 00s Lakers, the 90s Bulls, etc. etc.
 
If the Giants win tomorrow it will be a great run, but more akin to the '81/'84/'86 Celtics run, which was legendary and incredible but is remembered as great "rivalry" with the Lakers, not a "dynasty."

 
The Spurs have won 5 titles in 15 seasons, but never back-to-back

 

[Ed Hillel]

I think throwing darts at someone's head is worse than looking at a guy for a few seconds. Plus it's been covered that Ventura is pitching with a heavy heart today. I don't think he usually does this stuff.

If Pedro wanted to hit people in the head, he would have hit people in the head. Pedro threw inside to intimidate hitters in the batter's box, which is a legitimate pitching strategy.

 

[Dan to Theo to Ben]

 
Yes, I know how to find counting stats

"Not that wins means much, or that his age means little, but he's not drek."

 

[Lowrielicious]

You guys do realize that Hudson is the active wins leader, right? Not that wins means much, or that his age means little, but he's not drek.

He's also behind Peavy in the depth chart and had a 3.71 FIP away from the friendly pitching environment of Pac Bell this year.
Bumgarner on the other hand is a true ace and has historically good post season numbers.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

 
Wins?

 
Yes.  Cram your newfangled nerd-stats up your xfip.

 

[E5 Yaz]

"Not that wins means much, or that his age means little, but he's not drek."

 
No one ever said he was drek. Just that he might not inspire confidence at this point. You're the one who used wins as evidence.
 
Now, back to the game

 

[HriniakPosterChild]

You guys do realize that Hudson is the active wins leader, right? Not that wins means much, or that his age means little, but he's not drek.

He should go or drinking in KC tonight and get into an altercation.

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[Dan to Theo to Ben]

He's also behind Peavy in the depth chart and had a 3.71 FIP away from the friendly pitching environment of Pac Bell this year.
Bumgarner on the other hand is a true ace and has historically good post season numbers.

But he's no Derek Lowe.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Bumgarner isn't starting the game, you guys.  

 

[SemperFidelisSox]

Hudson did retire 12 in a row at one point in Game 3. It's not like he got lit up.

 

[InsideTheParker]

Fox doing a good job tonight.

 

[boxosII]

Who cares about your MLB career, Harold.

 
great question

 

[Dan to Theo to Ben]

 
No one ever said he was drek. Just that he might not inspire confidence at this point. You're the one who used wins as evidence.
 
Now, back to the game

He's their best rested starting pitcher available.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Hudson reminds me a bit of 2004 Kevin Brown. He'll also be starting a key game 7!

 

[glasspusher]

He's also behind Peavy in the depth chart and had a 3.71 FIP away from the friendly pitching environment of Pac Bell this year.
Bumgarner on the other hand is a true ace and has historically good post season numbers.

 
So, PacBel is a pitcher's park, and it's dwarfed by Royals' stadium. What do we blame it on, the heavy sea air?

 

[soxhop411]

 

[E5 Yaz]

He's their best rested starting pitcher available.

 
Absolutely

 

[dynomite]

The Spurs have won 5 titles in 15 seasons, but never back-to-back

 
Well, the 5 titles might tip the scales, but I think they're an incredible franchise... that was never a "dynasty" in that sense of the word.
 
It's all about how you define "dynasty," obviously and it's academic anyway.  But I just think there should be another word for being good for a long time and winning Championships occasionally, like the St. Louis Cardinals or LA Kings.   
 
Edit: I took out the Patriots because I don't want to start a whole thing.
 
Edit2: This Ventura kid, huh?

 

[Dan to Theo to Ben]

He's also behind Peavy in the depth chart and had a 3.71 FIP away from the friendly pitching environment of Pac Bell this year.
Bumgarner on the other hand is a true ace and has historically good post season numbers.

You should look at Hudson's and Peavy's career playoffs stats, FIP, XFIP, ZFIP, AFIP, QFIP, and compare, and kindly STFU.

 

[E5 Yaz]

 
Well, the 5 titles might tip the scales, but I think they're an incredible franchise... that was never a "dynasty" in that sense of the word.
 
It's all about how you define "dynasty," obviously and it's academic anyway.  But I just think there should be another word for being good for a long time and winning Championships occasionally, like the Patriots (past 10 years) or Cardinals or LA Kings.   

 
I tend to agree with you. I just find the Spurs consistency astounding.

 

[Leather]

Should have used the Depends Under garments logo for "depends"

 

[canderson]

HR all night: this kid can throw 100 and no one can hit that
HR just now: a MLB hitter can hit any fastball