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Discussion in '2018 Red Sox Game Threads' started by rajendra82, Oct 27, 2018.
Yeah, he's actually had a very solid post-season
Power of negative thinking.
I was just watching the replay of the postgame show on MLB Network from last night and Harold Reynolds was offering really sharp analysis and insight.
WHAT IS HAPPENING!?!?
But his “reasoning” for supporting Price pitching “an NL game” was confounding.
Yeah, the analysis I saw was about Cora’s use of the bench and it was not just solid, but ... really good.
Subsequently, I heard the Price comments and felt oddly comforted. Like the earth was sliding gently back on to the proper axis.
The further HR gets from "what exactly happened in this game," the worse he gets. But he and girardi are pretty good. The MLBN host grates on me.
. . . or no thinking.
I can't see Farrell saying this
Would Farrell even be allowed to say something like this?
"Smooth Operator" works too, in a couple of ways. Mostly, though, I just wanted a reason to repost Pedro
Roberts screwed up not having a lefty warmed up for Devers. He also pulled his lefty when Vaz was up, he feared vaz more than JBJ and Mitch with 2 men on with a 4 run lead....
last time I was at Fenway I saw that cop at the concession stand getting hot dogs
Sure. It would be hysterical. "I dont know some of those words" in response to a profanity spree doesn;t have to be about the spoken language. It just wasn;t his public face to joke around.
I really wish there could be more tolerance and understanding on this issue in gamethreads and even in life. If the optimists and pessimists (for lack of better words) could live in the other’s shoes for five minutes they each would understand.
Guys, it’s not about who are better fans. There is no more virtue in having “faith” than there is in being a “realist”. We all have 99.999 percent in common in these threads or we wouldn’t be here.
This is about anxiety management, pure and simple. Some deal with it by being optimistic. Some can only function by protecting themselves with pessimism. I am in the latter group and post about it hopefully in a tongue in cheek way to try to make people understand. These are hard-wiring issues. Neither side should expect the other side can or will change.
And while neither side can intuitively feel what the other feels, what we can do at a minimum is understand that at its core all of this actually comes from a very deep bond that we all share and is the reason this place exists.
Oh, and Shep’s kid got a ball and we won so everyone stop being angry about everyone else for fuck’s sake. I love you all. Kumbaya. Shut the fuck up.
this is basically it. I often resort to precalling worst-case scenarios (every BABIP for us will be an out, etc.) when the stress is up just to not get too high.
Literally no one has said anything about “better fans,” no one. It would be nice if there was some amount of realization that it ruins a lot of other people’s experiences, though.
Though it shouldn’t, because the anxiety coping mechanisms are worthless.
Anyone experienced in playoff baseball — which means everyone here — knows that playoff baseball (like playoff hockey) is confounding, exhilarating and heartbreaking. What seems to make sense more often than not does not pan out So “we’re fucked in game 4” was as stupid as “I don’t see how the Dodgers recover from this” is this morning.
Nate Silver’s 93% win percentage shares a home with a suppository. Or should. But we refuse to learn from experience.
“Y’all don’t deserve this team” is plainly a claim that “I am a better fan than you.” So maybe you’re right that “literally” nobody has used the actual words “better fans,” but that’s certainly the implication.
The thread police descend upon us to be critical and name call those that are reacting negatively to current events. It is certainly clear to many of us that those that are doing the ridiculing have a holier than thou attitude for “keeping the faith”.
If you are offended by negative reactions, posting in game threads for any sport should be avoided. The endless caterwauling about the how “the negativity in here sucks” is more annoying to many of us than anyone posting how Kinsler sucks for blowing game 3.
It's ruined the game threads.
I'll be the Get Off My Lawn guy--this isn't what the Game Threads used to be, but most who post in there now weren't posting in them when they were good. They were really funny, and insightful, and people questioned moves intelligently and complained and cheered, but there was not the constant negative overreactions that there have been for the last bunch of years(except maybe about Kapler). And far fewer people posted like they were smarter than the Manager(other than Valentine) or that they knew what was inside the heads of the players. It's just the way it is now, unfortunately, because hanging out in a Game Thread was a really fun way to watch a game.
I blame URI.
I don’t have a problem with pessimism. In general, I think it’s the preferred way to go through life. But this postseason has been a revelation (and this is coming from someone who doesn’t believe that this is the “best red sox team ever”, that if Houston had won the ALCS 4-1, and gone up 2 zip in the World Series, that the exact same narrative would have been applied to them, i.e. historic, relentless, best ever, etc). Joe Kelly is suddenly my favorite player. Eovaldi could snag the WS MVP for hucking fucking 96 pitches in extra innings. Last night Rich Hill was channeling Barry Zito with his curve, and Koji with his fastball, and people were bitching that his pitching was “slop”, and why couldn’t our hitters catch up to 90 mph meat. Personally, I enjoyed watching Hill pitch. He’s wounded, and neurotic, a little nuts. This series has pathos, and farce, and epiphany. I’m all in.
So, you're saying that posting immediate negative reactions to the moment is part and parcel of being a fan in a game thread.
But responding to that negativity with immediate actions criticizing the instant negativity is annoying.
Funny, I was thinking of that exact game during the 9th inning yesterday.
One amusing detail: Gordon started that inning by walking none other than Alan Embree.
I like Girardi as an analyst. He also seems like a good guy that I can imagine relating to young players, all that stuff that was supposedly held against him as a manager. He also said he thought he related to young players just fine. So, maybe the Yankees should have kept him instead of hiring Boone, who I'm not sure if he has any personality.
I'm the first one quoted in that post, and I didn't say anything close to "Game over" or something along those lines. I was just questioning Cora's decision to go to Moreland over Devers in that spot. And I'll still question it today. Anyone who thought Moreland would come up with a home run there, after the 0-5 display the night before in which he was missing pitches by 4-5 feet, is simply wish-casting. I'm obviously happy as hell it worked out, but if game threads don't exist to question managerial decisions in the moment, what are they for? Pom pom waving?
I would like to see some of the folks who like to throw stuff back in people's face come in here once in a while and make an actual prediction, so those of us who do stick our neck out are able to throw shit back in their face. Like Brandon said, there's a million posts in here where people predicted so and so would come through, and they didn't, yet, you don't see people pulling those posts back up and saying "Haha, you're a fucking loser, you were wrong, X didn't do shit..."
I agree that folks saying the game is over, or the Sox suck, etc. should be called out for it. I feel the same way every week when a bunch of idiots proclaim Brady is all done when he misses his one and only throw of the week, but I think that's a far different type of post than people questioning Cora's decision to put Moreland in that spot (or in my case, put Moreland in over Devers).
It’s a fuzzy line – no one thinks it needs to be all sunshine and roses – but it’s beyond ridiculous at this point and extremely self centered to think everyone wants to hear your incessant doom and gloom takes during a WS game.
BMHH is correct, the game threads used to be awesome and most posters have been driven away by a vocal minority. Sounds a lot like this country right now tbh.
The team is 10-3 in the postseason after winning 108 regular season games. Maybe just get a grip?
Embrue never walked as a member of the Atlanta Braves / b-ref
I've often thought that SOSHers, or any message board group can be represented by a Bell Curve, something like below, for their reaction types, and people should not be criticized for what type they are are. It takes all kinds.
This is how my son and I watch games. He gets furious at me when I hang my head and I can’t comprehend how it helps for him to be so stupid as to think the Sox are going to be the first team of the year in 55 tries to overcome a 4-run lead to the Dodgers on the road when they have one hit,
And we piss and moan at each other all game about it, and when they win we hug and when they lose we cry. And I wouldn’t trade any of it for the world.
I appreciate those thinking it is ruining game threads. But there is still a ton of clever and funny. DeJesus and I don’t see the world the same way but he has been funny as hell this post season. It’s a roller coaster. From where I sit it’s all good.
The bolded... dragged out over four consuming, intense, roller-coaster hours. We are on the verge of seeing our favorite team complete an absolutely historically great season. Emotions are running hot. People are expressing their feelings in extreme hyperbole. My operating assumption is that most of what we see in game threads is simply passionate fans typing - relatively thoughtlessly for the most part - in reaction to what's happening before their eyes. It's reactionary.
For some people, the severe negativity is super annoying and it tends to ruin the game thread experience. For others, the extreme "You guys need to sack up, they've got this" (when honestly the team looks like crap) comments are annoying.
I understand both sentiments. There's a wide wide range of perspectives here (at least when it comes to baseball) and a wide range of personalities. This is a community of hundreds and even thousands of people united (for the vast majority) in our love for the Red Sox. Emotions are gonna run hot especially in the playoffs.
I have no idea what the right "standards" should be, or if there should be any at all. Way above my pay grade. I just want to say I appreciate the passion that we see here, even if I don't always like every post that gets made. I suppose whatever dislike I may have is up to me to figure out how to deal with.
A few things:
First, I agree with Dejesus and am glad we’re having some debate about the tenor and quality of these game threads. I spend almost every game on these threads over the course of the season – so I’m plenty used to emotional bellyaching. But I bailed on the game thread last night – in part because I was watching with my 11 y/o super fan daughter but also because these threads have just been so miserable and unpleasant the last few nights. The Kinsler stuff in particular was completely over the top. Game thread posts shouldn’t be held to the same standard as main board stuff – but they shouldn’t be interchangeable with WEEI callers either.
Second, given what we know about how MLB calls (or doesn’t call) these plays, should we give credit for Bellinger running inside the line there? Seemed intentional to me.
Third, Joe Kelly was the MVP of this game. At a moment they needed a guy to keep them from getting back into the game, he did that and then some.
So, you’re saying Kinsler doesn’t suck?
Look, you shut up. You couldn’t give up gamethreads any more than meth.
Seriously, it’s a good discussion. Nobody who loves this place wants people not to post so I’ll take all this to heart.
This is yahtzee
Ah yes, #thegoodolddays...
Here's some random quotes from random game threads in '04. It's hard to navigate it precisely, so I'm going at random...
Tito pulls DLowe in Game 4 of the ALCS:
(Some might say this is a 'season over' post)
Tito puts in Pedro in Game 7 of the ALCS:
Late Game 2 of the ALCS posts:
After Losing Game 2:
After losing Game 3:
Though someone DID say:
I wonder if he quoted everyone above after they came back and told them they're bad fans after?
I remember in 2004, my sister - who had never paid attention to sports but had just married a Sox fan - told me "Why are you guys so down? They can come back. Keep the faith!"
She's a true fan.
Thanks for the measured response DDB. I don’t really consider you (or brandonchristiensen) in the group I’m thinking of anyway despite the use of “you” in my responses to you both. I want to make that clear. Those posters, not surprisingly, were not in the thread when the team started winning last night. They only showed to give their shitty attitude then bounced for the good parts. That’s just sad.
I’m halfway around the world, alone, logging in in the middle of the night to watch my awesome team in the WS and I just want to root for them with my fellow fans. A lot of the time I’m doing the same at home in NY.
Thanks for suffering my rants, now it’s MY emotions that are running hot. See you all in the thread for the game tonight, and I’ll try to take some of my own advice wrt reacting to posts.
I need the mods to put a Buchholz filter on ASAP.
I was typing that thinking “I’m totally not getting this spelling right”
I've been called worse. In this thread, no less!
I told my wife that Kinsler sucks, he needs to die in a fire or something to that effect.
She says I’m too hard on them and him and he didn’t mean to make the error!
Other things Kinsler turns, with his eldritch gaze:
- fine wine into brackish, malodorous, sludge
- prime steak into fetid slabs of putrified decay, writhing with maggots
...which is why he never gets invited to parties.