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World Series Game 4 - ? vs Rich Hill

Discussion in '2018 Red Sox Game Threads' started by rajendra82, Oct 27, 2018.

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  1. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

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    Funny fact about Madson.

    Only Fruitbat has pitched in more postseason games than him.

    Another fun fact, Papelbon's presence screwed him out of a huge closer contract way back when.
     
  2. SemperFidelisSox

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    I was watching Mitch’s .599 OPS since June. Come on. Admit it. That homerun was a shocking moment.
     
  3. sheamonu

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    Are you kidding? I still got Mike Torrez hanging in a meat locker in my back yard next to Don Zimmer’s corpse. Larry Barnett is still in there next to Ben Dreith. No one gets off that easy.
     
  4. jasail

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    Not to get too far ahead of ourselves...I remember another message board back in 04 when a thread was posted "ALCS MVP: Matsui or Rivera?"...

    So all caveats about not getting ahead of ourselves aside, if the series ended today I'd go with Pearce. But that may be largely a product of recency bias. TBH, there have been no standouts but a bunch of guys grinding a way. So, depending on how it plays out, there are a handful guys I could imagine being in the running if the Sox win. This would include Price, Eovaldi, Nunez, Kelly, and Benny (in that order).
     
  5. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    HR? Always a surprise. Unexpected guys coming thru for this team? 118 times now, nearly.
     
  6. gedman211

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    This needs to be framed and preserved for all time
     
  7. Royal Reader

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    So tonight I watched the game in a bar in London with a bunch of folks from the UK Sox fan club.

    Anyway, I'd sometimes had friends around for the 2004 run because I was in college and people showed up in the Common room drunk late at night. No one else really cared though. Since then, watching Boston sports, with the exception of Patriots superbowls, has been an entirely solitary experience.

    It was really fucking beautiful in a low key way just to get to root for the Sox together with a bunch of other fans tonight.

    Win it for... Me.
     
  8. gedman211

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    Well, it was one of the worst change-ups I've ever seen
     
  9. Future Sox Doc

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    So watching the MLB post-game show, and Girardi and Reynolds basically saying it should have been interference on that double play attempt at first. What does everyone think? Live, I thought it was clean. Watching their explanation make me wonder if it should have been a double play.
     
  10. dhappy42

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    First time for everything.
     
  11. Lose Remerswaal

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    It was "Why So Mad-son?", after all.

    I may have embarrassed myself in the LGB bar after that blast
     
  12. dhappy42

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    Definitely interference. Rule says you have to run in foul territory. That’s why every field has that second, chalked lane line. Ump blew the call, but it’s not reviewable for some reason.
     
  13. LynnRice75

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    Just watched the same show. Seems clear he was in fair territory all the way down the line. Seems rather ridiculous that you can challenge a slide where a finger may lift off a base for a millisecond, but can't challenge a call where a runner may have intentionally broken the rules to give his team an advantage. I understand it is a judgment call, but let the ump make the judgment by looking at the clear evidence.
     
  14. Just a bit outside

    Just a bit outside Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    It was interference. Bellinger was close but certainly inside the running lane.
     
  15. Future Sox Doc

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    Agree. They even commented that they call that EVERY TIME, but for some reason was not called tonight. That would have changed the game.
     
  16. dhappy42

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    Why? He somehow redeem himself today?
     
  17. brandonchristensen

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    No, I know they're there. But it's game threading. It's the most base, and impulsive form of posting. Have you looked at those archived threads? They're just the same shit. Pitch to pitch, living and dying.

    Normally I'd have said "game" or something, but today I was more positive. It ebbs and flows.

    It just sucks when people point it out after the fact as if you somehow know better. If they hadn't come back, people don't post the positive people going "SEE YOU IDIOTS!".

    Everyone that said anything is happy to be wrong. We're all just idiots posting under the same roof. We have no actual say, we're all just witnesses to whatever happens between the lines and all of us want the exact same thing.

    The most important thing is that, once again for a lot of us, we're here and we're together watching the Red Sox in the World Series.
     
  18. DeadlySplitter

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    that interference play on a throw to 1st is never ever called unless the runner seems to be blatantly out of the baseline. Bellinger ran naturally, even if he was in the way that was never getting called.

    I agree it should be reviewable, then maybe this shit would get cleaned up.
     
  19. LynnRice75

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    Feels like the game 4 loss has to sting the Dodgers even more than the game 3 loss stung us.
     
  20. SemperFidelisSox

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    Roberts is justifiably getting heat for lifting Hill, but going to Jansen again for six outs backfired again. The use of Madson in this series instead of Baez has been bizarre.
     
  21. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    You're the king of that crew. I wish you could just enjoy watching this team play this game historically well instead of falling to pieces when things start to look bad.
     
  22. strek1

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    I'm pretty sure the Umps called us out on a play almost identical to that earlier in the year. May have been a challenge. Showalter maybe?
     
  23. snowmanny

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    They could have called the on field umps together to discuss it though. Like in the old days.
     
  24. DeadlySplitter

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    apparently Baez was not available. Maybe Urias too (he only went 1 inning.... confused if that is so).

    I think that's why Roberts panicked and when to Jansen early. Didn't want Floro against our meat of the order.

    in that sense, all that grinding in game 3 did pay off tonight.
     
  25. brandonchristensen

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    Massive eye roll to that lame response.
     
  26. dhappy42

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    That’s simply not true. It’s rarely called *unless a thrown ball hits the runner,* in which case it’s almost always called. It just doesn’t happen that often in the majors.

    And the runner doesn’t have to be out of the baseline for it to be interference. The rule is that he has to run in foul territory except for the last step to the base. Runners often run in fair territory and are not called out, but that’s when they’re not struck by a thrown ball or interfere with a fielder.

    Again, what do you think that second chalk line parallel to the baseline three feet in foul territory is for? Decoration?
     
  27. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

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    Look I get it. We are all feeling roughly the same things - nobody here (well nobody that isn't twisted) liked that Puig HR. But proclaiming things over before all of the outs are recorded is just stupid. Its like a child having a fit because they don't get what they want. The reality is most people here are adults and in life or sports, you have ups and downs. Anyone who follows sports has seen their teams win games that seemed lost. Anyone who has followed this team has seen them comeback time and again this season.

    To be clear, these are everyone's gamethreads and people are free to post what they like as long as its not truly offensive. I dont want to speak for others but from my perspective, saying "see you next spring" or "game over" or "series over" or talking about how Cora should do X because this game was lost in the sixth seems silly in light of what we've seen this team do to date. Generally, its silly because teams can and do comeback with a third of a game left in just about every type of sport. YRMV.

    That said, your final sentence is spot on. Perfectly said.
     
  28. snowmanny

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    Yeah I’ve seen it a bunch of times, usually when the ball hits the runner
     
  29. dhappy42

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    Maybe it’s just me, but watching people fall to pieces at the first whiff of adversity and reflexively second-guessing managerial decisions is half the fun of reading game threads. The other half is watching other people roast them for it.
     
  30. In Vino Vinatieri

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    Deciding to throw to first last night after slipping is one of the most astoundingly dumb baseball decisions I've ever seen, but you have to give credit where credit's due. He had a great game tonight. Couldn't expect anything more out of him
     
  31. Lose Remerswaal

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    Yeah I thought you must be a teenager.
     
  32. Lose Remerswaal

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    I laughed
     
  33. Old Fart Tree

    Old Fart Tree the maven of meat Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    ORLY
     
  34. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

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    http://www.umpirebible.com/index.php/rules-interference/offensive-interference

    Per this, the runner should be called for interference by running out of the running lane. That said, it is a judgement call. In addition, I don't think this applies in this case but the ump might argue that Bellinger needed to step towards the bag to make contact with it per the explanation below:

     
  35. dhappy42

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    Well said.
     
  36. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

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    Brilliant.
     
  37. mikeford

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  38. LynnRice75

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    Has anyone stumbled upon a transcript of Sale's "motivational speech?"
    Lip reading the tv clips, I think see an F bomb or two and perhaps a "wake up."
    I read he said something about Hill having only two pitches, but I'd love to know the whole rant.
    Writing it out, might look like poetry.
    Hearing it with some driving rock music behind it would be even better.
     
  39. dhappy42

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    It can be a judgement call whether a runner in fair territory interfered with a fielder, but it doesn’t require much judgement when a thrown ball hits him in the back. That’s obviously interference.

    Or are you saying it’s a judgement call as to whether Bellinger was in fair or foul territory when the ball struck him? I think that was obvious too.

    I know about the rule saying a runner can step into fair territory to step on the bag, which is after all in fair territory. But Bellinger was in fair territory during most of his run, so that doesn’t really apply. He wasn’t stepping into fair territory just before reaching first. He was in fair territory well beforehand.
     
  40. lars10

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    Seems to me that it gives Sale another day of rest, allows him to not have to hit and has him pitching against their second best pitcher rather than Kershaw. I also wonder if Cora has numbers that show that Sale is better with extra rest and/or that Price is more resilient/ able to pitch on short rest. Seems like Price has been able to pitch well even when warming up the night before.
     
  41. lars10

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    Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!?
     
  42. Sox and Rocks

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    Dirty LA, World Series water!
     
  43. Sox and Rocks

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    Wait, you're still here?

    How can the grinding from game 3 pay off when it was the beginning of the end?
     
  44. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

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    I agree with everything you've said and you alluded to the runner being allowed to step towards first to make contact with the bag in your previous post.

    I was simply sharing a link so that people can read about the rule. I think they blew the call but since there is no replay review for this occurrence, I think Barrett et al told Cora that Bellinger got in the way at the last second to get to the bag. It was wrong but its the only possible explanation for why Bellinger was ruled safe there. Cora seemed to accept their interpretation or maybe he is just a chill dude.
     
  45. shepard50

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    Just got home. That was truly incredible and I continue to simply love this team. I cannot stop myself second guessing Cora, Mitch Moreland came up to bat and I just cringed and then he busts the Red Sox right back into the game with one swing. I am wrong I am wrong I am wrong...

    I will also say this: the Dodgers fans we have met have been incredibly complimentary about the Red Sox and very gracious both at winning an losing. I know it fits he narrative better to just hate the fans of your opponent, but it has not been our experience.
     
  46. Sox and Rocks

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    He doesn't manage like he ran the bases, that's for sure
     
  47. mauidano

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  48. Sox and Rocks

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    9 runs from the 7th inning!

    Baseball is so fun!
     
  49. strek1

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    Hope we finish this off tomorrow.
     
  50. hunter05

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    Man that Moreland homer. Down 0-4 in the 7th 2 outs. Offense is struggling and everyone is drained. Takes a first pitch change up (?) damn near out of the park. Puig watches and reacts like it’s the Hindenburg.
     
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