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World Series Game 3: Sox vs. Dodgers

Discussion in '2018 Red Sox Game Threads' started by DrewDawg, Oct 26, 2018.

  1. shawnrbu

    shawnrbu Member SoSH Member

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    Porcello has averaged less than 5 IP in his last 8 starts with many of those coming with extra rest. No way should Cora panic and pitch all his starters on short rest.

    Cora went "all in" tonight and the consequence is he has to use a worse starter in Game 4 (Rodriguez instead of Eovaldi). Cora can't compound the aftermath of a Game 3 loss by reducing his odds to win Game 5 and 6.

    Worst case scenario coming out of LA is down 3-2 with our two starters throwing the ball the best Price and Eovaldi available to start 6 and 7.
     
  2. Sox and Rocks

    Sox and Rocks Member SoSH Member

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    The World Series is more important than your dog...
     
  3. CaptainLaddie

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    The only player I've ever seen have as bad a game off the bench as Kinsler was Dan Uggla in the 2008 All Star Game. Holy shit. Fuck-up after fuck-up after fuck-up.
     
  4. scottyno

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    No matter what happens in this series Nate's performance tonight should go down in Red Sox history and never ever be forgotten, just wish they could have found 1 more run for him.



    "Rick Porcello said he was crying after watching Nathan Eovaldi tonight... "That was the most incredible pitching performance I’ve ever seen.""
     
  5. gedman211

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    My money says he shows up Sunday and says "I got an inning if you need it, coach". Dude is the freakin Terminator. Swilly/Foulke/Koji/Evo!
     
  6. capecodjr41

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    Totally agree. It has to be EdRo/Sale/Price/Eovaldi the next 4 games. I get that Cora is aggressive and he’s been great this year but he managed today like it was game 7. There was just no reason to torch your game 4 starter. He didn’t need to use Evo or Price at all. If Pom or whoever blew the game it’s not the end of the world, you’re still up 2-1 with Eovaldi for game 4 and Sale for game 5. Now he’s forced to take EdRo out of the pen for an emergency start in the biggest game of the year.
     
  7. lapa

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    A few things I don’t really care for

    1) the Red Sox losing

    2) replay systems unless they work exactly like this:
    View replay a couple of times
    Is it OBVIOUSLY FUCKING WRONG
    a) yes: reverse the call
    b) no: get on with the game
    Stop making a stupid fake controversy drama over replays. If you cannot directly see in 5 seconds that someone fucked up then you take the call on the field and shut the hell up (this includes announcers)

    3) over managing pitching changes - I thought this as soon as porcello got pulled nothing to do with extras.

    4) machado is still an asshole

    5) seemingly more dangerous leg injury options on slides to 2B

    6) ian kinsler

    7) joe buck is awful and I’m sick of the whole trying to fit stupid angles and narratives into the game instead of just letting the game have its own space



    Anyway the Sox have been gracious enough to let the Yankees and Astros win a game just to avoid shame but now it’s back to the plan of crushing the opposition tonight
     
  8. Madmartigan

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    I couldn’t stay up for this one. Just checked the score and watched the Kinsler play — holy shit what a back breaking loss. It will take everything this team has to bounce back. The series feels in real jeopardy right now.
     
  9. BaseballJones

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    Yep. Still have the lead so that’s good. Plus HFA. I feel like even if they punt tonight (which they won’t), they’d still be tied 2-2 with two games to go at Fenway.

    The Kinsler play. Just saw it. Holy crap. That was horrendous. That play likely clinches the World Series. Instead, it’s a war.

    Well, war it is then.
     
  10. HomeRunBaker

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    When did Cora ever state that Evo was his G4 starter? I posed the question prior to the game on main board on the value of starting LH EdRo in either a traditional or an opener role in G4 to outmaneuver Roberts platoon strategy while having Evo in relief for 2 of the 3 LA games while keeping everyone on regular rest. If this was Cora's strategy then he didn't go "all-in" in G3......he simply lost Evo for one of the two remaining LA games that he would have pitched.
     
  11. dhappy42

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    It’s definitely less weird than letting Vaz play first.
     
  12. BigSoxFan

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    If any team can rebound from that kind of nut punch, it’s this one but, man, that was so bad. Kinsler play was simply as bad as it gets. You have to make that play but you sure as hell better not throw it away if something goes wrong. He is completely unreliable at this point. I don’t care what the matchups are, he needs to be stapled to the bench.

    But he’s obviously not alone. Bogaerts has been absolute trash this series so far. 1 for 15 and failing in lots of high leverage spots. Mookie had a miserable game and needs to start being a spark plug again. Moreland looks like crap as well. Think you put Pearce in there full time at this point.

    Series will be a grind rest of the way but maybe that’s how it was supposed to be.
     
  13. rymflaherty

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    And to think I thought Kinsler’s baserunning was making me angry...
    Went to bed after 9 and was trying to watch it quick this morning, but didn’t record nearly enough random FOX shows on the DVR.
    Saw up until the 14th and well, I’m at a loss...

    It sure would be nice if they win today though. I actually fell better about Cora’s Evoldi move knowing it should have resulted in a win, and knowing that the game went 18 and he had to pitch 6.
    Did I mention I loathe Ian Kinsler?
     
  14. sheamonu

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    The guy made an error - a bad one - (okay, one of the worst ever) - but shit happens. I'll move on. But please - can this put to rest forever comparisons between Pedroia and Kinsler? Pedey makes that play 100 out of 100 times. He also probably gets a clutch hit. Hall of Famers shouldn't have to hear themselves compared to high end journeymen.
     
  15. esfr

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    If Cora’s goal was to regress to the mean of good decisions and good fortune within 1 game he succeeded mightily. Lots of head scratchers as previously noted.
     
  16. MillarTime

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    My thoughts exactly. Ugh
     
  17. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

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    Kinsler's overall "performance" has to be on the list of all-time worst in a WS Game.
     
  18. mikeford

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    Kinsler should never play another inning in the majors.
     
  19. LynnRice75

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    The game was long and frustrating. I congratulate the Dodgers for taking 18 innings in a basically do or die home game in which we played poorly to squeak out their one and only win of the series.
     
  20. ricopetro6

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    still so freaken pissed. Kinsler the obvious goat...but Mookie and X were horrible. Both of their swings look screwed up, the better figure it out fast.
     
  21. ricopetro6

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    X should not be batting 2nd, Holt will at least give a quality at bat
     
  22. Ed Hillel

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    Defensive specialist Ian Kinsler backhanded the ball directly under him, which is why he tripped.
     
  23. bosockboy

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    It definitely gave the vibe of it being mental. The base running was just erratic, and not sliding at home (after a poor jump) was just insane. He panicked on the grounder, pure and simple. No awareness that he could have just got up, planted and thrown and still got him easily.
     
  24. Ed Hillel

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    Also, this game reminded me of that 2002 18 inning loss where Ricky Henderson hit 4 times in Manny’s spot in extra innings because he pinch ran for him.
     
  25. ricopetro6

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    Kinsler's style of throwing bit him in the ass. On any grounder, he never sets, crow hops and throws....he always throws flat footed side arm to 1st.
    When he stumbled, he needed to plant and fire, but he stuck with his quick side arm type of throw..but he had no idea where it was going after the stumble.
     
  26. joe dokes

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  27. uncannymanny

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    Jesus Christ, should I get some paper bags for everyone? It’s one fucking game. We had the same posts (by the same posters) after the DS and CS losses. I’m glad none of you play for the team, they’d have been done in May.
     
  28. joe dokes

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  29. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

    Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat has big, douchey shoulders Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Sacre bleu!
     
  30. patoaflac

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    Kinsler of course failed (he should have kept the ball when he tripped), but many other bad things occurred and he isn’t the only one to blame:
    1.Playing field is worst than in AA.
    2. Home plate umpire missed a crucial call in the 13th, which have yielded the first out (I can’t remember who was batting, coffee doesn’t work for me today).
    3. If your first batters 4 batters go 0 for 28 you can’t win (or 0 for 26 if you do not include Eovaldi). Nunez, Vazquez and Leon are no murderer’s row
    4. Mookie is in one of his worst streaks. At moments he looks completely lost, swinging at bad pitches and taking flat strikes. If this was the regular season he will sit for 1 or 2 games.
    5. Bogaerts not getting the ball out of the infield.
    5. Cora’s magic has worked all season, but this was not a well managed game, for this game in particular and for the rest of the series.
    6. What’s the purpose of having Pom? Lin could have been used in several situations.
     
  31. kanga12

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    We also had 1st and 2nd with no outs and had Vasquez bunt (instead of hitting) - and Maeda made a perfect play at third...and ultimately no runs.

    This game was all on the offense...
     
  32. bob burda

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    [edit - piling on with Kanga 12] I get it - Kinsler gets the blame for a massive screw up in a high leverage situation, but the offense had 14 baserunners in 18 innings, 7 of them on hits even with a 3 for 9 contribution from the lousy hitting catchers. Whomever was saying above it was a "team" loss has it right.

    ...that said, there was evidence that the game sped up on Kinsler multiple ways last night (if you watch the replay on the error he almost overruns the ball in fielding it...out of control amped up?); it is like his prior post-season experience didn't prepare him for this. I have no idea what to do with that.
     
  33. mikeford

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    The game was over if Ian Kinsler knew how to play baseball anymore.
     
  34. ricopetro6

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    ^looked like the ball changed directions slightly..either hitting the mound or possibly Eovaldi's glove. Can anyone confirm this who DVR'd?
     
  35. LesterFan

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    I slept probably 2 hours max. Would have been better to just lose 1-0 and not burn Eovaldi. Fuck Kinsler
     
  36. Jed Zeppelin

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    I think the thing I’m most mad about—because I believe they still win the Series in 5 or 6—is that Eovaldi’s performance will be lost to history. That was some shit they should be talking about forever.
     
  37. Jed Zeppelin

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    I was firmly in this boat given who was left to bat until they grabbed the lead. So, yeah, fuck Kinsler.
     
  38. Wake49

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    Up 2-1 and it’s in jeopardy?

    Whatever.
     
  39. alydar

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    Red Sox hitters played two nine inning games and scored one run in each. Normally that earns you two losses. A 2 run first inning today would cure a lot of what ails them. Get it started, Mookie.
     
  40. RIFan

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    Reading through some of these posts and I wonder how much attention some of you paid to this team. They are going to get some sleep and show up at the park smiling and ready to take care of business. I've never seen a team so well equipped to turn the page and move on.

    Cora is an assassin, he's not going to give away any game and that's what makes him special. One freaking hit last night and he's a genius.

    Dodgers probably feel pretty good right now. They shouldn't, they're about to get their throats stepped on.
     
  41. Madmartigan

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    Yeah I think it is. We just lost a marathon game while wasting 6 innings from the team’s currently-best pitcher. The offense isn’t doing anything, which has me wondering about JD and now Xander’s health after that hard slide. I still really like our chances but there’s no denying that was a brutal loss that may hurt us in game 4 and beyond.
     
  42. riveraulwick

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    Just waking up now. Want to thank everyone for the company last night. Can't imagine how much worse the experience would have been without at least sharing it with you all.
     
  43. Jim Ed Rice in HOF

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    Oh, by the way, fuck you blue.
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  44. RGREELEY33

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    I was watching at an outdoor bar with no sound, so it was a bit lost on me why they didn’t walk Puig to face Barnes. I get the winning run on base thing, but Barnes is a significantly worse hitter than Puig. Interesting decision — that would have worked if Kinsler . . . . . .

    The Boston Red Sox are due for an offensive explosion tonight, and I look forward to seeing it in person. Fuck LA.
     
  45. RGREELEY33

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    It was probably the worst home plate umpiring that I’ve seen in this postseason, and up there with some of the worst ever. It was for both teams, but some of those calls were brutal and at key times. Fucking horrible to watch.
     
  46. Byrdbrain

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    That is about as bad as I would have figured, by my count 3 awful misses that went against the Sox pitchers, 4 awful calls that went for the Dodgers pitchers and the borderline calls skewed heavily in their favor. That doesn't include the bad check swing call.

    Edit: Interestingly by my highly unscientific count all but one of the awful calls were against lefties.
     
  47. BigSoxFan

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    It’s hard to criticize the move because Cora got the ball he was looking for but Puig was far more likely to hit the ball hard than Barnes. I would have taken my chances against their Leon and make him hit an XBH to beat you.
     
  48. InsideTheParker

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    I will never forget the expression on BROCKHOLT's face and his quirky running as he realized he had the go-ahead run in the 13th. Of course, the comic styling by Nunez was the perfect complement. Now, if only we had the Kinsler of yore. But we don't, so BROCK needs to play second base from here on out. Can I hear an "Amen?"
     
  49. Bowhemian

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    Congrats to those of you who were able to stay up through the end of the game. I crashed after the 12th inning, thinking happy thoughts. So much for that.
     
  50. Ed Hillel

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    Checking out the graphs, it was primarily for one team. Net of about ten calls.
     

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