Winter Meetings Rumors/News/Notes
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Jon Heyman @JonHeyman 1h1 hour ago
Rangers, Jays still in play for Edwin Encarnacion. Plus, 2 NL teams have now called. (he's solid at 1B)
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 15m15 minutes ago
One more thought on Encarnacion: If his price drops, #Astros theoretically could jump back in. Encarnacion 1B, Beltran DH, Gurriel LF.
Rangers, Jays still in play for Edwin Encarnacion. Plus, 2 NL teams have now called. (he's solid at 1B)
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 15m15 minutes ago
One more thought on Encarnacion: If his price drops, #Astros theoretically could jump back in. Encarnacion 1B, Beltran DH, Gurriel LF.
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 20m20 minutes ago
Rival clubs believe #Marlins willing to offer Jansen five years, $80M and lose No. 14 pick in draft. Marlins say they’re still discussing.
Rival clubs believe #Marlins willing to offer Jansen five years, $80M and lose No. 14 pick in draft. Marlins say they’re still discussing.
They have a bugaboo to get over in just winning a playoff series. They don't need more talent in that division, they need to find the right players/manager to get over that hump.
Buster Olney says Steve Pearce will be signing with Toronto. Does this take them out of the EE running?
I think it does. Unless they plan to use Pierce in a Chris Young type role. Astros still could be in this. Boston will probably make an offer if the price is right. Seattle maybe?
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MLB source close to the negotiation tells our Steve Phillips the #BlueJays are OUT on Edwin Encarnacion.
MLB source close to the negotiation tells our Steve Phillips the #BlueJays are OUT on Edwin Encarnacion.
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 12s13 seconds ago
Sources: The Giants and Mark Melancon have agreed to a deal, pending a physical; Melancon is going through his physical.
Sources: The Giants and Mark Melancon have agreed to a deal, pending a physical; Melancon is going through his physical.
I want to see these numbers. I think 4/72 for some reason. Which if you think about it is insane considering Melancon is probably never throwing over 60 innings with the Giants per season.
Hill revived his career and got paid, good for him.
Melancon could not survive in the AL East, so meh to him getting that money
Melancon could not survive in the AL East, so meh to him getting that money
He should probably send at least 20% of that to Bannister. Talk about a life/career changing situation in him meeting Bannister. Good for Hill.
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 2m2 minutes ago
Sources: #Nationals more focused on Sale than Cutch. #WhiteSox likely would get Robles, Giolito, much more. No indication deal is close.
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 2m2 minutes ago
Sources: #Mets, #Orioles talking. Orioles prefer Granderson to Bruce. Mets like reliever Brach.
Sources: #Nationals more focused on Sale than Cutch. #WhiteSox likely would get Robles, Giolito, much more. No indication deal is close.
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 2m2 minutes ago
Sources: #Mets, #Orioles talking. Orioles prefer Granderson to Bruce. Mets like reliever Brach.
What does this even mean? If they don't need additional talent, what would they be adding in the "right players" in this scenario?
He's been, easily, a top 10 reliever in the game over the last 4 seasons and probably a top 5. 4th in fangraphs WAR, 3rd in ERA, 8th in FIP, 9th in xFIP, 5th in K/BB (including 4th in BB/9), with one of the best cutters in the game.
Ian York did a quick chart in the main board bullpen thread showing that he made a major change in his pitch usage around the 2012 season and had figured something out by 2013. It would be asinine to simply assume that struggles in 2012 while in Boston would mean he can't pitch in the division 5 years later, even without mounds of evidence that he's not only a different pitcher now but is by every measure one of the very best relievers in the entire sport.
He had four outlandishly bad games to start the season, went on the DL, then was fine. Take a look at his game log.
edit: Honestly, the best case against Ben Cherington, AFAIC, is selling low on Melancon.
Is Aroldis Chapman really worth 6/$100MM?
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/210308646/aroldis-chapman-seeking-a-six-year-contract/
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/210308646/aroldis-chapman-seeking-a-six-year-contract/
Absolutely not. Because what is he once he can't crack 100 with the fastball? I think Jansen and Melancon both look better long term.
No one is going to give Chapman six years, but also his velocity has shown no signs of dipping so far, the guy is an athletic freak and not really comparable to any other player in the history of the game.
Average FB velocity:
2010: 99.6
2011: 98.1
2012: 98.0
2013: 98.4
2014: 100.2
2015: 99.4
2016: 100.4
Average FB velocity:
2010: 99.6
2011: 98.1
2012: 98.0
2013: 98.4
2014: 100.2
2015: 99.4
2016: 100.4
A domestic abuser? Actually, he is one regardless of what he touches on the radar gun.
I know it won't happen but I wish a team would sign him so he can support his family but stipulate that he has to attend real substantive counseling sessions.
Any team paying up for the guy is taking a pretty decent risk.
IDK, the Marlins sitting out there with money they want to spend probably isn't a good thing for the other teams looking to keep the price down.
NATIONAL PARK, Md. - The Indians are negotiation with free agent slugger Edwin Encarnacion about a multiyear deal.
The deal might not happen. It might fall apart in the days to come, but right now things are serious.
http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2016/12/on_cleveland_indians_interest.html
The deal might not happen. It might fall apart in the days to come, but right now things are serious.
http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2016/12/on_cleveland_indians_interest.html
All true, but I'm not sure how much joints and ligaments ultimately care about either athleticism or freakishness, and 7 years is an awful lot of time spent being the world's fastest pitcher.
How can CLE be outbid for Beltran at 1/16 and Holliday at 1/13 and have the money to sign Encarnacion? Odd.
In other potential news:
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 6m6 minutes ago
Sources: Legitimate chance of Sale trade to #Nationals. Robles, Giolito would go to #WhiteSox. Teams haggling over final pieces in deal.
In other potential news:
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 6m6 minutes ago
Sources: Legitimate chance of Sale trade to #Nationals. Robles, Giolito would go to #WhiteSox. Teams haggling over final pieces in deal.
Joel Sherman
Heard what @Ken_Rosenthal said: #Nationals willing to put Giolito/Robles into package. #Whitesox mulling if enough for Sale.
Heard what @Ken_Rosenthal said: #Nationals willing to put Giolito/Robles into package. #Whitesox mulling if enough for Sale.
The White Sox and Nationals are far down the road on a trade that will send Chris Sale to the Nationals in exchange for Lucas Giolito, Victor Robles and a low minor leaguer. Reynaldo Lopez and Koda Glover will not be in the proposed deal. The structure of the deal was first reported by Ken Rosenthal.
Jim Bowden, ESPN Senior Writer
Perhaps they weren't bidding on Beltran or Holliday at all? Perhaps Encarnacion has been their target all along, and if they don't end up with him, they think they'll still have Napoli (or someone else) to fall back on.
I hope this happens. Mostly because I don't want the Red Sox blowing their prospect load on Sale. I'm not entirely opposed to moving Moncada, Devers, Kopech or Groome but I'd rather not move 3 of them in the same deal and to top Robles and Giolito, they'd have to do just that. Or include a major leaguer like Benintendi or JBJ. This would also keep Sale out of the AL East (specifically New York who also have the chips to get him), so it would be a win/win, IMO.The White Sox and Nationals are far down the road on a trade that will send Chris Sale to the Nationals in exchange for Lucas Giolito, Victor Robles and a low minor leaguer. Reynaldo Lopez and Koda Glover will not be in the proposed deal. The structure of the deal was first reported by Ken Rosenthal.
Jim Bowden, ESPN Senior Writer
True. Sabermetrics aren't everything. But using facts to back up your opinions is around here. Instead of just posting your opinion try adding some facts to back them up so that people can have a conversation.
This is possible of course, but it was reported that they were in on both Beltran and Holliday, after they both signed. Beat reporters seem to think EE to CLE isn't realistic as he's out of their price range, as I guessed in my original post.
Buster OlneyVerified account @Buster_ESPN 23h23 hours ago
The Indians/Encarnacion conversation just polite. He'd be way too expensive for that market, in all likelihood.
Ken RosenthalVerified account @Ken_Rosenthal 13h13 hours ago
Sources: #Indians indeed reached out to Encarnacion, as @hoynsie said, but serious questions remain about whether CLE will meet EE’s price.
I'm going to stick with my prediction of either MFY or Houston. This seems similar to the Ellsbury thing a few years ago where his market seemingly dried up and then boom the Yankees came out of nowhere.
In order for the Sox to be involved they would need to move Buchholz and others. Just don't see it happening.
Surprise team on EE: Colorado. Virtually no payroll commitments. The live with his D at 1B, maybe give him a two year opt out as an incetinve so he can hit the market after hitting 50 HR for a couple of years.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1ez3iawXBtjJI9S1TdTpgpmNiHHEwsn8WkQ_oTNHAo8M/pubhtml
Yankees had a different organizational philosophy when they signed Ellsbury.
Yeah, after the Holliday signing, there is virtually zero chance NY will sign Encarnacion. The reports are that they liked him a lot but they are done giving big deals to guys in their mid-30s, obviously specific circumstances going forward could change that but not this offseason.
The price paid for Sale stings, but feels fair. I was really looking forward to the Moncada growing up with the Sox. I guess he's still going to, but... well...
Cue The Incredible Hulk walk away music.
It helps if you picture him as the Cuban Wily Mo.
Re: Yankee affairs. Tampa is letting Cashman have his way for the first time in a long time but the minute it fails, or if the Red Sox win it all next year, they'll scrap this prospect hoarding plan and go back to throwing their money away.