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Lose Remerswaal

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Pierce and Allen announced their retirements, and KG has picked up a microphone.

Which ones get their numbers retired? Anyone else who has played for the C's and whose number isn't already retired also getting the honor?
 

Dr. Gonzo

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Pierce should be the only one due to the length of time that he spent here. While Allen and KG brought a title here, I don't believe that they were here long enough to warrant having their numbers retired.
 

HomeRunBaker

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Pierce obviously.

KG changed the entire culture of the organization so yes.

Allen was used as a role player plus here so while it was nice calling them "The Big Three" they were really "The Big Two plus Ray".....so no.
 

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As much as I love KG (and Ray while he was in Boston), I'm going with just Pierce. The other two weren't here long enough, and already have their spot in the rafters by which we will always remember them:

 

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KG's number will be retired...by the Timberwolves.

The Cs are not retiring his number.
 

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KG's number will be retired...by the Timberwolves.

The Cs are not retiring his number.
Yup, and Allen who split his time with 4 teams may or may not get his number retired at all.

Saving you the Google: 7 years with Milwaukee, 5 with Seattle, 5 with Boston, 2 with Miami.
Milwaukee would be the logical franchise since he started there and has the most time. They have 8 numbers retired (Oscar, Bridgeman, Moncrief, Dandridge, McGlockin, Lanier, Winters and Kareem) already. I don't close my eyes and picture him as a Buck but Milwaukee doesn't have anything better to do and he was very good with them.
 

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Just Pierce for me. I could see if they were a team like the Rays and were just itching to have some sort of proof of existence, but Garnett is unnecessary here.
 

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Pierce obviously.

KG changed the entire culture of the organization so yes.

Allen was used as a role player plus here so while it was nice calling them "The Big Three" they were really "The Big Two plus Ray".....so no.
I totally agree with this. Ray was the Chris Bosh of the Big 3...important piece but greatly overshadowed by the other two.
 

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Has to be all 3, because the bar for retiring Celtic numbers isn't super high.

If it were on the Red Sox scale, I'd vote for Pierce only though you could talk me into Garnett.

Edit: I was also going to add Kevin Stacom.
 

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Zero chance Ray gets his number retired if the people currently making the decisions stay in place.
 

snowmanny

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Has to be all 3, because the bar for retiring Celtic numbers isn't super high.

If it were on the Red Sox scale, I'd vote for Pierce only though you could talk me into Garnett.

Edit: I was also going to add Kevin Stacom.

The bar for retiring Celtics numbers isn't super high? They've retired 21 numbers, not counting "LOSCY." 18 of the are in the HOF as players or as Celtics coach or as owner. 18. That leaves three: Reggie Lewis: Got a problem with that? Cedric Maxwell, Finals MVP: Got a problem with that? The weak one is Nelson, but he did win five titles spanning two championship eras and did make it into the HOF as a coach later.

Edit: and Pesky is as weak as Nelson in my eyes.
 

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KG's number will be retired...by the Timberwolves.

The Cs are not retiring his number.
Now is a good time to revisit KG's first return to Boston after the Nets trade. The KG highlight video
shown that day (they also had a Pierce one) ended with the camera panning up to the rafters, to the banner with retired numbers, pausing on the 2 open spaces on the last banner.

From this, we can conclude one of two things. Either the decision has been made to retire KG's number... or the person who puts these videos together for the C's is a raging asshole. I'm going with option A.
 

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The bar for retiring Celtics numbers isn't super high? They've retired 21 numbers, not counting "LOSCY." 18 of the are in the HOF as players or as Celtics coach or as owner. 18. That leaves three: Reggie Lewis: Got a problem with that? Cedric Maxwell, Finals MVP: Got a problem with that? The weak one is Nelson, but he did win five titles spanning two championship eras and did make it into the HOF as a coach later.

Edit: and Pesky is as weak as Nelson in my eyes.
Well, Garnett will be in the HOF, so not sure what that argument exactly is. The only question is longevity. Garnett at 6 years with the Celts is cutting it close, although DJ only played 7 and his number is retired.
 

snowmanny

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I think it's fair to retire Garnett. Being the best player on a championship team is a pretty big deal.
 

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DJ won multiple titles.

Also, there's the fact that, despite what many Boston fans believe, KG's legacy will be as a Timberwolf who went to the Celtics to win a title on the back 9 of his career. Dennis Johnson has a much stronger association as a Celtic.
 
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Just Pierce.

As awesome as it was to have the other parts of the big three, their legacies aren't the Celtics' to claim.
 

Cesar Crespo

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Well, Garnett will be in the HOF, so not sure what that argument exactly is. The only question is longevity. Garnett at 6 years with the Celts is cutting it close, although DJ only played 7 and his number is retired.
Ray Allen will be in the HOF too.
 

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Pierce and KG. What KG did for this franchise, IMO, has to be rewarded. He completely changed the attitude and direction of the franchise and brought them back to relevance. Accountability, defense, attitude. It was all KG.
 

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DJ won multiple titles.

Also, there's the fact that, despite what many Boston fans believe, KG's legacy will be as a Timberwolf who went to the Celtics to win a title on the back 9 of his career. Dennis Johnson has a much stronger association as a Celtic.
What KG did in Minnesota is irrelevant to whether his number should be retired as a Celtic.

The big difference between the 2008 championship and all of the other Celtic championships is this: it ended a 22 year drought. That makes it one of the more significant ones in team history. Hard to see any way in which KG doesn't deserve it over and above supporting cast guys from previous teams (eg, Cedric, DJ).
 

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You could be right, I don't know. And reading Ainge's quotes from when KG was signed, and when he was retired, I now think it's probably more likely than not his number is retired. But I'm not really a fan of it, should it come to pass. My stance on retired numbers is that it's reserved for players that indelibly associated with a particular franchise in a positive way, and in the vast majority of cases that will mean A) playing the bulk of their career with that particular team, including at least most of their prime; and either B) being so notably outstanding during their time with the franchise as to almost single-handedly bring a sense of honor (?) and respect to the franchise purely by wearing the uniform (e.g. Ted Williams, John Hannah, Ray Bourque); or C) being hugely instrumental in bringing glory to the franchise, typically through winning one or (ideally) multiple championships (e.g. (surely) David Ortiz or Robert Parish). Oftentimes, B and C will overlap (e.g. Larry Bird and, (surely) Tom Brady), and that's the best of all.

I think Garnett misses out on "A" and, given the Celtics ridiculous track record, probably "C" as well. He was absolutely instrumental in winning a Championship, but if we're grading on a scale and comparing him against other Celtics legends, he doesn't quite measure up. Pierce, otoh, clearly meets A and also meets C more than Garnett given his role in bringing the team back to respectability in the early 2000s.

Now, I realize all of these standards are somewhat arbitrary and even political on some level, so I respect that you may disagree.
 
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lexrageorge

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34 is a definite for retirement.

I agree with the others that 5 is borderline. I'll put KG below the cut, but I will not be upset if he ends up above the line either.

20: I still like Ray Allen; he made a decision to go elsewhere when his contract was up, which was a right he earned. He also was instrumental in the C's winning that championship in 2008 and their run of excellence during that time. While a surefire HoF'er, he's not quite the generational talent that KG was, and he was filling a smaller role with the C's by that point of his career. So, I would not retire his number.
 

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If Rondo had stuck around and won another championship with a whole new surrounding cast (like, say, if he was still on the team NOW and they won this year) and was the veteran leader of that team, then sure. Probably.

Of course in reality that was never going to happen.
 

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I think Garnett misses out on "A" and, given the Celtics ridiculous track record, probably "C" as well. He was absolutely instrumental in winning a Championship, but if we're grading on a scale and comparing him against other Celtics legends, he doesn't quite measure up.
This is why I disagree, I guess. I've followed the Celtics since the start of the Larry Bird era, and KG's time here (2007-08 to 2012-13) stands completely apart from anything else that happened since the original Big 3 glory days. That can't all be attributed to KG, obviously, but he was here for 6 years and that was the only stretch of the past 30 years where the C's were legitimate and consistent title contenders. That's a claim that no other Celtic great can make.
 

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I must say I'm surprised no one mentioned Rondo, even in passing, like with a "If he had played 15 years here" qualifier.
If Rondo had stuck around and won another championship with a whole new surrounding cast (like, say, if he was still on the team NOW and they won this year) and was the veteran leader of that team, then sure. Probably.

Of course in reality that was never going to happen.
It didn't help that Rondo's play and seemingly his attitude declined right before he was shipped out of town, and then cratered after that. Which just makes him relatively easy to forget. He's apparently had a bit of a resurgence and is once again a decent complementary player. But being a decent complementary player for a single championship team makes you a Paul Westphal or a Charlie Scott, neither of whom's numbers hang from the rafters.
 

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This is why I disagree, I guess. I've followed the Celtics since the start of the Larry Bird era, and KG's time here (2007-08 to 2012-13) stands completely apart from anything else that happened since the original Big 3 glory days. That can't all be attributed to KG, obviously, but he was here for 6 years and that was the only stretch of the past 30 years where the C's were legitimate and consistent title contenders. That's a claim that no other Celtic great can make.
I'll take it to another level and say "Yes!" it all CAN be attributed to KG as he wasn't only a culture changer but an organizational changer as the Allen trade only occurred due to it being necessary to acquire KG. He transformed the franchise as much as Bird did in instantly turning around the Celtics franchise. KG was just as responsible for taking us from 24 wins to 66 and a title as Bird was for taking us from 29 to 61 and a title in his 2nd year. For that reason his number going up is a no-brainer to me.


DJ won multiple titles.
DJ was a role playing 3rd to 5th wheel on those teams who opponents literally dared to shoot open 17-footers. He was a very nice player here but not an impact game changer.
 

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Why? All I see is a comment from Wyc that Pierce's number will be retired (which is kind of like saying that water is wet) - no comments that other numbers (#5) will not be.