Which type of plate discipline is eating Panda?

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And Sandoval, battling for his career, would agree to that why?
I mean, I don't agree with the original post, but maybe to save face? Not playing due to injury looks better than not playing due to being the worst guy on the team. He is getting paid either way, I can imagine that I would rather do so in obscurity at home/rehabbing in the minors rather than being shown in the dugout every game with 20 minutes of TV time talking about how fat I am and how far I've fallen down the depth chart.

Again, not saying that I think that's what's happening, but it isn't the most ridiculous thing said on this board by a long shot. We don't know what's in his head.

edit: and it appears that there is some support for this in the ESPN article on the subject:
And although Farrell pledged "my full support" for Sandoval, he also acknowledged that the breather afforded to him by going on the disabled list could provide more opportunity to work on his conditioning.

"Yes, and he's working very diligently on that," Farrell said. "He has my full support. Every player has needs. Panda's are outlined. There's a specific plan to address those, and we'll support him through it.

"It's been a real tough start. He's been an easy target. I've had a chance to sit and talk with him about that specifically. First and foremost, we've got to get him right physically to get past the shoulder issue. If a breather gives him a chance to maybe step away from the scrutiny he's under, we'll make every effort to have that take place."
 

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Jeff Passan:
The broken, disastrous marriage between Pablo Sandoval and the Boston Red Sox, an ill-fated union exceeded in its dysfunction only by a Kardashian coupling, could be nearing its end. Here’s how ugly it has gotten, major league sources told Yahoo Sports: Sandoval wants to stay in Boston only if he can play every day, and the Red Sox have no intention of playing him unless he loses weight and others in their current lineup struggle.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-pablo-sandoval-red-sox-marriage-could-be-coming-to-an-end-040039765-mlb.html
 

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Another exerpt from the Passan article.

Facilitating an exit for Sandoval won’t be easy because of the more than $75 million remaining on his Red Sox contract and the team’s desire not to eat all of the money by cutting him. Sandoval’s trip to the 15-day disabled list Wednesday – a trip caused by a supposed left shoulder injury that took everyone, including the team, by surprise – buys the Red Sox enough time to explore all their options and determine whether any trade market exists before possibly jettisoning him.


The curiosity of the DL move grew as the day went on. Sandoval complained of mysterious left shoulder pain, and the Red Sox chose to immediately place him on the disabled list without having tried to diagnose the severity of the injury with an MRI, sources told Yahoo Sports. By the end of Wednesday, Sandoval still hadn’t visited an MRI machine, a standard procedure that precedes a DL trip in nearly every case but catastrophic injuries.

Where is the Boston media on this?
 

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Jeff Passan:

major league sources told Yahoo Sports: Sandoval wants to stay in Boston only if he can play every day, and the Red Sox have no intention of playing him unless he loses weight and others in their current lineup struggle.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-pablo-sandoval-red-sox-marriage-could-be-coming-to-an-end-040039765-mlb.html
So Sandoval's day.
1) Complain about shoulder to team to see what happens
2) Put on DL with no MRI ( no brainer from team perspective)
3) Give party line to local beat reporters about being positive etc
4) Leak to national writer in wee hours of night eastern time that he wants to start or be released/ ( shocker no one wants to pay him any money only want Josh Hamilton type bargain/for nothing.

As someone who advocated for his signing and said you can't give up on someone after one year, I fully admit he's cemented status as worst investment behind only Carl Crawford. At least Carl had decency to play through injury and be in some semblance of baseball shape.

Pablo's team player attitude lasted 8 games and after an awful season came back in terrible shape. Now he's getting paid and is actively trying to get released to get regular playing time. Scum bag.
 

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I wish the MBLPA would allow a player to negotiate down his salary to exit a market. I don't imagine it would happen often, but in rare circumstances it could be good for both parties.
 

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I wish the MBLPA would allow a player to negotiate down his salary to exit a market. I don't imagine it would happen often, but in rare circumstances it could be good for both parties.
Could be something in the new CBA, as baseball continues to underpay young stars and overpay aging vets. Obviously unions won't just allow their players to make less money, so the owners will have to give something, but allowing unhappy players like Pablo an opportunity to leave their current situation may end up being beneficial from a union's standpoint.
 

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So Sandoval's day.
1) Complain about shoulder to team to see what happens
2) Put on DL with no MRI ( no brainer from team perspective)
3) Give party line to local beat reporters about being positive etc
4) Leak to national writer in wee hours of night eastern time that he wants to start or be released/ ( shocker no one wants to pay him any money only want Josh Hamilton type bargain/for nothing.

As someone who advocated for his signing and said you can't give up on someone after one year, I fully admit he's cemented status as worst investment behind only Carl Crawford. At least Carl had decency to play through injury and be in some semblance of baseball shape.

Pablo's team player attitude lasted 8 games and after an awful season came back in terrible shape. Now he's getting paid and is actively trying to get released to get regular playing time. Scum bag.

I think he's worse than Crawford. He's simply the worst contract in baseball history.
 

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Ignoring for the moment A-Rods $275MM contract.
 

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And Sandoval, battling for his career, would agree to that why?
Is he battling for his career? I mean, I know we don't see everything, but I don't see much of a battle going on here. He was battling for his career in the offseason too, and instead of actually putting in the effort required to show up in better shape and make a case for himself as the premiere star level player he was paid to be he showed up even more grossly overweight than last year and just seemed to figure that he could play his way back into shape like he did when he was 25. that doesn't sound like "battling" to me. Thank God for Travis Shaw.
 

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Ignoring for the moment A-Rods $275MM contract.
During which he has produced more value than Panda will probably accumulate in his entire career.

A-Rod's is the biggest overpay, maybe (though let's wait and see how Pujols turns out first), but no way would I call it the worst contract. To me "worst" implies both a massive outlay and overall suckage: you pay through the nose and don't even get reliably decent performance. Zito, Hampton, Wells, that kind of thing. (And yes, Crawford.) The outlay in Panda's case is a bit less massive than some, but the overall suckage may be unprecedented.
 

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Given that he's still a semi-prospect, they may want Marrero to keep getting regular at-bats in Pawtucket. By contrast, Rutledge is who he is--a utility guy--who's probably more ready to help right now and is already maxed out on his potential.
 

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my personal sense is that Marrero is likely to break into the league as a utility guy since he doesn't have the offensive chops to take a starting shortstop job as a presumptive favorite without spending a few years on the bench earning it. From that perspective, it's probably better just to bring him up and get him experience coming off the bench, because coming off the bench is what he's going to be doing for a large chunk of his carreer..
 

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Where is the Boston media on this?
This is probably a thought for another thread (also, can we rename this one with the rumors?).

Still, between the Easley release and the Sandoval story, this offers a stark contrast between two stories on the same day telling a similar story.

For the Patriots player, the news was broken by a number of local writers, including Tom Curran on CSNNE and Ben Volin in the Globe, who got a quote from a Patriot (albeit unnamed) confirming the story and also reported additional important background involving his ownership of aggressive dogs.

For the Red Sox player... nothing of the sort in the local press, as Yahoo! gets the scoop. Jim McBride's story about Pablo going to the DL in the Globe yesterday just quoted him (talking about how happy he was and how he was still going to be in Boston) and Farrell and left it at that. No mention that the Red Sox didn't do an MRI. No report from team sources that in fact what was happening was a final straw being broken.

Now we can argue about whether any of this stuff helps us enjoy watching the games. Personally, I feel like some of the things we learn about these players (say, Buchholz's adoring support of Donald Trump) detracts from my experience of watching the game.

But in general, this is their job. And this isn't the first time that -- despite intense daily coverage from, what, at least a dozen New England news outlets -- the Red Sox press corps has completely missed the boat.
 

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I'm placing the O/U on games Panda plays for the Sox in 2016 at 50. I think the under is a safe bet. I'm guessing he's done as a productive player and the Sox dump him on someone and pay most of his salary. There will be a phantom DL in May and he will be benched and then they will trade him once they figure out who can play 3B for them on an every day basis
Jeez, this prediction back in February was a month and 40+ games off!
 
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I'll also pull a called it post:
This is just the beginning. Soon there will be a pretextual DL stint and then an oddly prolonged minor league rehab, while DD works the phones.
Is being an out of shape fatass an injury that can allow us to keep Panda on the DL indefinitely? I think he provides literally zero value to this team as a member of the 25 man and if it comes down to it, I'd rather eat the salary than deal with a guy who must inevitably have a crappy attitude at this point in the clubhouse.
 

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Another exerpt from the Passan article.

Facilitating an exit for Sandoval won’t be easy because of the more than $75 million remaining on his Red Sox contract and the team’s desire not to eat all of the money by cutting him. Sandoval’s trip to the 15-day disabled list Wednesday – a trip caused by a supposed left shoulder injury that took everyone, including the team, by surprise – buys the Red Sox enough time to explore all their options and determine whether any trade market exists before possibly jettisoning him.


The curiosity of the DL move grew as the day went on. Sandoval complained of mysterious left shoulder pain, and the Red Sox chose to immediately place him on the disabled list without having tried to diagnose the severity of the injury with an MRI, sources told Yahoo Sports. By the end of Wednesday, Sandoval still hadn’t visited an MRI machine, a standard procedure that precedes a DL trip in nearly every case but catastrophic injuries.

Where is the Boston media on this?
It looks especially odd since it wasn't his throwing shoulder.


So Sandoval's day.
1) Complain about shoulder to team to see what happens
2) Put on DL with no MRI ( no brainer from team perspective)
3) Give party line to local beat reporters about being positive etc
4) Leak to national writer in wee hours of night eastern time that he wants to start or be released/ ( shocker no one wants to pay him any money only want Josh Hamilton type bargain/for nothing.

As someone who advocated for his signing and said you can't give up on someone after one year, I fully admit he's cemented status as worst investment behind only Carl Crawford. At least Carl had decency to play through injury and be in some semblance of baseball shape.

Pablo's team player attitude lasted 8 games and after an awful season came back in terrible shape. Now he's getting paid and is actively trying to get released to get regular playing time. Scum bag.
This might be his agent chattering more than Pablo at this point, but it's certainly not helpful
 

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I'll also pull a called it post:

Is being an out of shape fatass an injury that can allow us to keep Panda on the DL indefinitely? I think he provides literally zero value to this team as a member of the 25 man and if it comes down to it, I'd rather eat the salary than deal with a guy who must inevitably have a crappy attitude at this point in the clubhouse.
I don't know if a player can force the team to take them off the DL under specific rules, but I bet they could file a grievance about it and are pretty much guaranteed to win if the team can't prove an injury. After the injury he can be sent to the minors for a 20 day rehab stint, but that is only with a player's consent. If he's not really injured, there is little chance the team can find any way to keep him off the roster in order to punish him for being out of shape. This is a mutually convenient DL trip, but Sandoval could force their hand whenever he wanted to, basically.
 

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I don't know if a player can force the team to take them off the DL under specific rules, but I bet they could file a grievance about it and are pretty much guaranteed to win if the team can't prove an injury. After the injury he can be sent to the minors for a 20 day rehab stint, but that is only with a player's consent. If he's not really injured, there is little chance the team can find any way to keep him off the roster in order to punish him for being out of shape. This is a mutually convenient DL trip, but Sandoval could force their hand whenever he wanted to, basically.
To what end, though? What would the point be? Any grievance wouldn't be heard in the next 14 days, so its not like they would cancel the DL trip. He is getting paid and accumulating service time. So what would be the ultimate end goal for Sandoval and the MLBPA to file a grievance?
 

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I'll also pull a called it post:

Is being an out of shape fatass an injury that can allow us to keep Panda on the DL indefinitely? I think he provides literally zero value to this team as a member of the 25 man and if it comes down to it, I'd rather eat the salary than deal with a guy who must inevitably have a crappy attitude at this point in the clubhouse.
Regarding your previous post (that you quoted) what do you think the Red Sox could possibly get for him ("DD working the phones") Not only is he on a massive contract but he has been moved to BACKUP 3B...for Travis Fn Shaw. I don't see anybody in baseball giving up anything outside of a few hundred thousand bucks.

To what end, though? What would the point be? Any grievance wouldn't be heard in the next 14 days, so its not like they would cancel the DL trip. He is getting paid and accumulating service time. So what would be the ultimate end goal for Sandoval and the MLBPA to file a grievance?
He probably feels he is still a capable major league player and the Red Sox are using (by CBA standards) illegal measures to keep him off the roster

MLBPA would file a grievance because using phantom DL stints to hide players you don't want is universally bad for their union
 

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To what end, though? What would the point be? Any grievance wouldn't be heard in the next 14 days, so its not like they would cancel the DL trip. He is getting paid and accumulating service time. So what would be the ultimate end goal for Sandoval and the MLBPA to file a grievance?
Oh, he seems to be initiating the DL trip in this instance, I was just responding to the suggestion the Sox could just keep him on the DL forever. They probably couldn't, especially against his wishes. Panda might be ok going home and waiting 15 days for them to trade or release him so he can go somewhere else and play. And that sounds like what this is. He probably wouldn't be ok with being exiled from baseball and not given a chance to ever play again. And he could force their hand in that case, if he wanted to.
 

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I'll also pull a called it post:

Is being an out of shape fatass an injury that can allow us to keep Panda on the DL indefinitely? I think he provides literally zero value to this team as a member of the 25 man and if it comes down to it, I'd rather eat the salary than deal with a guy who must inevitably have a crappy attitude at this point in the clubhouse.
It's amazing how fast it's gotten to this point, but yes, releasing him outright and eating all the money has to be on the table for consideration now. Is there any benefit to keeping him around against his will? There is no way to negotiate a partial buyout under the CBA, right?
 

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The Sox releasing him right now has near zero benefit to the team. Panda shows up on the Rays roster and they get a chance to see if he can rehab back to a somewhat valuable commodity for next to nothing.

The Sox need to at least give the rehab process a shot and see if another team runs into injury issues and Panda shows some promise in AAA. What is the downside risk in letting that scenario play out?
 

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The wrong side of the bridge....
Regarding your previous post (that you quoted) what do you think the Red Sox could possibly get for him ("DD working the phones") Not only is he on a massive contract but he has been moved to BACKUP 3B...for Travis Fn Shaw. I don't see anybody in baseball giving up anything outside of a few hundred thousand bucks.
And this is compounded by the fact that an outright release/contract-swallowing is looking like an increasingly plausible scenario, maybe even an inevitable one if things drag on long enough. Why give up anything at all for a player who will very likely be available soon for essentially nothing?
 

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If they are not going to keep him going forward they need to swap him for another bad contract (Shields). Releasing him and paying the entire contract and having him sign with some other team in AL is not a good option. Rehab him with time in AAA and see how the injury issues for us and others play out. I have faith in DD to sort it out going forward.
 

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I get that people keep looking at Kemp and thinking it's a fit, but why would the Padres trade us Kemp for Panda? Kemp has proven, especially in the 2nd half of last year he could be a pretty viable major league player. Panda is our (now DL'ed) backup 3B who is so fat he can't even play the field.

I get it, Kemp is paid a ton and is disgustingly overpaid, but the guy OPS'ed .100 higher than Sandoval. Also Panda has been seeing a pretty steep decline since 2011
 

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I get that people keep looking at Kemp and thinking it's a fit, but why would the Padres trade us Kemp for Panda? Kemp has proven, especially in the 2nd half of last year he could be a pretty viable major league player. Panda is our (now DL'ed) backup 3B who is so fat he can't even play the field.

I get it, Kemp is paid a ton and is disgustingly overpaid, but the guy OPS'ed .100 higher than Sandoval. Also Panda has been seeing a pretty steep decline since 2011
Kemp is a crappy OF and a particularly bad fit at Petco. Could be a future DH at Fenway. Earlier in the offseason one of the ESPN analysts calculated Kemp as a slightly worse deal; Panada's value has taken a hit since then, but there's an amount of money where it could work, especially if you include Rusney and Shields, since the former could be useful to SD.
 

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The wrong side of the bridge....
If they are not going to keep him going forward they need to swap him for another bad contract (Shields). Releasing him and paying the entire contract and having him sign with some other team in AL is not a good option. Rehab him with time in AAA and see how the injury issues for us and others play out. I have faith in DD to sort it out going forward.
But why would the Padres do that? Why would any team trade for Pablo right now? There are bad contracts, and there are catastrophic, train-wreck contracts. If I'm holding one of the former, why do I want to swap it for one of the latter?
 

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But why would the Padres do that? Why would any team trade for Pablo right now? There are bad contracts, and there are catastrophic, train-wreck contracts. If I'm holding one of the former, why do I want to swap it for one of the latter?
Yeah, I don't think they could deal Sandoval to the Padres for Shields AND Kemp AND Melvin Upton Jr.
 

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But why would the Padres do that? Why would any team trade for Pablo right now? There are bad contracts, and there are catastrophic, train-wreck contracts. If I'm holding one of the former, why do I want to swap it for one of the latter?
I think the difference is that there are other teams that may be able to use Sandoval as he is right now. Our biggest problem with sandoval is that he can't defend his position anymore, and we have contrats at 1b and DH so he can't move down the defensive spectrum to a position he may be able to play. We may be able to persuade another team who needs a 1B or DH to take him for pennies on the dollar and try him at those positions and see what he does.
 

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Maybe voicing your "hatred" for a professional sports player belongs on P&G instead of a respected baseball site. I don't give a shit what you think about the man.

The best outcome for him and the Sox would be to find an overpaid and redundant NL hitter who might transition to DH. Giving him up for nothing (essentially paying him near full salary to play for someone else, or to sit) makes no business sense. Let's agree the team is working from a position of weakness and think of things that might mitigate the situation...including keeping him.
 

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I think the difference is that there are other teams that may be able to use Sandoval as he is right now. Our biggest problem with sandoval is that he can't defend his position anymore, and we have contrats at 1b and DH so he can't move down the defensive spectrum to a position he may be able to play. We may be able to persuade another team who needs a 1B or DH to take him for pennies on the dollar and try him at those positions and see what he does.
So why give him away for next to nothing to a team that might have a use for him when you can wait for a team to have an actual need due to injuries or poor performance? I know we all want to see him gone so we can post about other things and hear different topics discussed on the radio, but there is no urgency for the Sox to move him for pennies on the dollar.
 

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So why give him away for next to nothing to a team that might have a use for him when you can wait for a team to have an actual need due to injuries or poor performance?
Because the Sox already have Allen Craig penciled into that spot for other teams? [/kidding, sort of]
 

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Yeah, I don't think they could deal Sandoval to the Padres for Shields AND Kemp AND Melvin Upton Jr.
Now we're getting crazy. That would be a home run for the Padres, I'd be horrified if the Sox did this.

Kemp: 73/4
Shields: 65/3
Upton: 32/2

Pablo 77/4

Keep in mind that Kemp, in 154 games and a 111 OPS+, was a 0.6 WAR last year. He's near Hanley-bad in the OF, a pattern that is very consistent over time.

For the Sox to take all three, SD would have to take Castillo too, and I'm not even sure that would be enough.
 

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I'd take a chance on a Sandoval for Kemp deal if it wasn't too ugly. Panda is at risk of losing all trade value, even in a swap of bad contracts. Kemp would be more useful to the Red Sox right now and could have value as a DH for the next few years.
 

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I'd take a chance on a Sandoval for Kemp deal if it wasn't too ugly. Panda is at risk of losing all trade value, even in a swap of bad contracts. Kemp would be more useful to the Red Sox right now and could have value as a DH for the next few years.
If we're swapping bad contracts with the Padres I'd much, much rather have Shields. This team has a problem with consistency in the rotation and he could give you a ton of league-average innings at the very least. Acquiring Kemp would lock in Hanley at 1B instead of giving him flexibility at DH next year, and could potentially take time away from more useful OFs we already have.
 

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I think the difference is that there are other teams that may be able to use Sandoval as he is right now. Our biggest problem with sandoval is that he can't defend his position anymore, and we have contrats at 1b and DH so he can't move down the defensive spectrum to a position he may be able to play. We may be able to persuade another team who needs a 1B or DH to take him for pennies on the dollar and try him at those positions and see what he does.
The Giants put him at first base in an emergency and he hurt himself right away stretching for a ball. I'd post the picture if I wasn't on my phone. Either he or the Giants or both said he wouldn't be playing 1B for them again. He doesn't hit enough any more to be a DH, does he? Boat anchor, except he probably floats.

The incredible thing in all this is that the Giants, Sox and Padres all wanted him at about the same price in the winter of 2014.
 

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Yikes.

“@EvanDrellich: Pablo Sandoval’s ex-trainer says Sandoval needs a baby sitter: “It’s not an exercise thing, it’s an eating thing” https://t.co/dJUycNRBIF

Some snippets. More at the link

When Pablo Sandoval went home to Venezuela for Christmas in 2011, he gained so much weight so quickly — 21 pounds in 21 days — that when he returned to workout in Phoenix, his personal trainer did everything possible to keep the third baseman out of sight of his team, the San Francisco Giants.

Ethan Banning, the owner of Triple Threat Performance, oversaw two successful and intense pound-shedding winters for Sandoval, ahead of Sandoval’s only two All-Star seasons in 2011 and 2012.
When Pablo Sandoval went home to Venezuela for Christmas in 2011, he gained so much weight so quickly — 21 pounds in 21 days — that when he returned to workout in Phoenix, his personal trainer did everything possible to keep the third baseman out of sight of his team, the San Francisco Giants.

Ethan Banning, the owner of Triple Threat Performance, oversaw two successful and intense pound-shedding winters for Sandoval, ahead of Sandoval’s only two All-Star seasons in 2011 and 2012.


Banning told the Herald that he knew the Giants and Sandoval were in contract negotiations at the time Sandoval returned from the holiday looking like Santa.

The worry was that if the Giants caught a glimpse of Sandoval — they were monitoring the progress — the payday could have been in jeopardy.

“I would go pick him up at a random location, drive him to the facility so that his car wouldn’t be there, so if they dropped in they wouldn’t know he was there,” Banning said. “So for about a three-week period, he had the flu — we had every excuse in the world. We were just trying to rip weight off him again. And it ballooned way out of control.”

Banning said he sacrificed the rest of his own existence at the time to get Sandoval to burn all the fat he had so quickly added. It worked: a three-year contract worth about $17 million materialized in January 2012.

“I was coming in seven days a week, he was training three times a day on six days, and on Sundays he was training twice,” Banning said. “It was that bad. I mean, it got out of control.”

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The Sandoval that Banning knew is one who needs more help than he has right now, and to admit he has a problem.

“I care about him greatly,” said Banning, who lost touch with Sandoval after the 2011-12 offseason. “But it’s a tough love. He needs to be smart enough to say there’s problem. It’s like the alcoholic that wont admit he’s an alcoholic: well, you can’t address that you’re an alcoholic if you don’t ever admit there’s a problem. He’s got to address that.
He’s proven to me and shown consistently that he’s got to have somebody like me holding his hand doing that. And it’s not an exercise thing, it’s an eating thing. Obviously exercise is an important factor in it, a very important factor, but eating is going to be the component that needs to be managed and monitored. We had a chef on staff that cooked all his meals.”

Banning said he controlled what Sandoval drank too, which meant minimal booze.

Banning said Sandoval is very competitive and truly a hard worker who could slim down again because he’s done it before, but it would take time

Sandoval is also someone who is a fun-loving guy doesn’t want to tell anyone no — “almost childlike,” Banning said. The trainer noted that Sandoval’s made choices in his personal and familial life that added to stress, and that Sandoval gorges when he’s stressed out. Banning didn’t elaborate on those choices.

Twenty-one pounds in 21 days, that sounds unreal,” Banning said. “He loves to be loved by people. And he connects with people, and the way that (Venezuelan) culture connects is through food. Food is love to them.

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Pujols is pretty much guaranteed to win this title. He's got 5 years left on his contract AFTER this season.
Watching Pujols quickly deteriorate is sad, and makes Ortiz' career trajectory all the more remarkable. Pujols was the perfect hitter in every single way for such a long time that I just assumed his decline would be more gradual.

Pujols 2013-2016 (ages 33-36): .257/.318/.459 119 OPS+
Ortiz 2013-2016 (ages 37-40!): .287/.371/.549 148 OPS+
 

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I think if the Giants or Padres had a DH slot, they might have gotten him. Panda wants to be Papi.
You could well be right and that is what he wants.

The only problem being he has more chance of being an actual Ferrari than being Papi. At a very rough count Ortiz has 12 seasons that were better than Sandovals best season. And his best offensive season was 7 years ago, and the only other season close to that was 5 years ago.