What Does Chicago Do with Patrick Kane?

[teddykgb]

That doesn't mean we have to accept the phenomenon.  We've had cases in both directions -- AMcGhie's first post was a relatively innocuous wish that we didn't get leaks of information and instead let this stuff get sorted out in the courts.  Myt decided to prod him on it, but this case seems to have been a data point in his favor, I've got no problems with his victory lap.
 
Which still doesn't resolve the issues Myt brought up -- there still can be cases where the courts aren't well setup to decide what probably happened.  But this was an ugly drama and the way information came out didn't help.  We really do need to find a way to simply reserve judgement in these cases as best we can without victim blaming or creating a stigma so that women will not step forward.  I think real, honest anonymity until such a time as a trial begins would go a long, long way to taking some of the need for snap judgement out of this and protect the rights of everyone involved.  Quite Utopian, to be sure.

 

[Average Reds]

That doesn't mean we have to accept the phenomenon.  We've had cases in both directions -- AMcGhie's first post was a relatively innocuous wish that we didn't get leaks of information and instead let this stuff get sorted out in the courts.  Myt decided to prod him on it, but this case seems to have been a data point in his favor, I've got no problems with his victory lap.
 
Which still doesn't resolve the issues Myt brought up -- there still can be cases where the courts aren't well setup to decide what probably happened.  But this was an ugly drama and the way information came out didn't help.  We really do need to find a way to simply reserve judgement in these cases as best we can without victim blaming or creating a stigma so that women will not step forward.  I think real, honest anonymity until such a time as a trial begins would go a long, long way to taking some of the need for snap judgement out of this and protect the rights of everyone involved.  Quite Utopian, to be sure.

 
If you are talking about this board, perhaps. But that's an issue for the moderators, who found no reason to jump into the discussion.  If you are talking about society (which is how I always perceived AMcGhie's comments) then no, I feel pretty strongly that we don't and we won't.

 

[Myt1]

I said that I hated that all the minute details were being leaked, that I thought the appropriate forum for airing those things was in a court of law, and that I hated that both sides were being hot-take'd ridiculously.

People took that as me defending Kane.

Patrick Kane has had run ins with the law before, and is not a paragon of humanity. At no point have I been trying to defend him. I'd be frustrated if these accusations were being leveled at anyone from PK Subban to Patrice Bergeron.

So yeah, I'm coming back to say "hey everyone that rushed to judgement based in the anonymous sources: you were WRONG"

(Edit:specifically limited to the scope of this case. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to think Kane is human garbage)

Who took it as you defending Kane? Who rushed to judgment based on anonymous sources? I've responded to you repeatedly, and I didn't do either of those things. I tried to explain that you were trying to use a microscope to figure out how much something weighs while suggesting that we not talk about the fact that someone alleged that it weighed ten pounds and the other person claimed it weighed five until we really gave it a good look through the microscope.

I don't know how to be any clearer about this. You're taking a victory lap that doesn't even have a nodding acquaintance with reality.

 

[McDrew]

I think we both completely misunderstand each other's position, and I don't care enough to continue.

 

[Myt1]

Well, answer this, then: is it better that things happened now, the way that they did, or should this have been shoehorned into a court of law, which is apparently the only place you think is appropriate for a discussion like this?

Or, now that the case will not go forward (criminally or civilly, apparently) should discussion of this issue now come to an end?