What Does Chicago Do with Patrick Kane?

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Regardless of whatever actually happened (and even if everything coming out is exactly true), I really hate when stuff starts leaking out like this.  The place the case should be made is in court, when/if Kane is tried. 
 

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It's not murder, but (if true) it still qualifies as heinous.

Have the Patriots set the standard where named logo gear is exchangeable after a felony conviction?

It's either that or I throw away the 88 gear, in the case of a conviction.
 

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AMcGhie said:
Regardless of whatever actually happened (and even if everything coming out is exactly true), I really hate when stuff starts leaking out like this.  The place the case should be made is in court, when/if Kane is tried. 
Why?
 

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As an example, leaks came out in the Brady case.  Some were wrong.  Neither side talked about the leaks.  It helped turn public opinion against him.  If the facts of the case are reported, I'm ok with that, because its the legal case in court.  I hate that unaccountable, "anonymous" sources can leak stuff that might not be true.  People should lose status/be punished based on what can be proven in court, not what is rumored by anonymous people through the media. 
 

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The problem is that you are complaining about a response to the woman being victim blamed. Sure she may not be a victim, maybe we will find that out. But the decision to post the bar owners bullshit is what prompted the follow up story, so when you then post "oh I wish I didn't have to hear this" or whatever it very clearly takes the side that the woman should just shut the fuck up and let anyone say anything about her, even if your intention was to include the bar owners speculation too.
 

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AMcGhie said:
As an example, leaks came out in the Brady case.  Some were wrong.  Neither side talked about the leaks.  It helped turn public opinion against him.  If the facts of the case are reported, I'm ok with that, because its the legal case in court.  I hate that unaccountable, "anonymous" sources can leak stuff that might not be true.  People should lose status/be punished based on what can be proven in court, not what is rumored by anonymous people through the media. 
Why?

A couple of things:

1. This was a response to something that was already published about the victim.

2. The criminal justice system isn't reasonably calculated to provide an answer on close factual disputes, especially in "he said, she said," situations." The court system in the example you cite, the Brady fiasco, is even less so.

Basically, I understand your dislike for how things are reported in this country, especially about crime and the legal process. But the criminal justice system was never intended to be and is a particularly ill-suited proxy for people in society at large making a determination about this stuff.
 

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I'll totally agree to a case of wishful thinking on this, and hate that people's personal shit gets aired in public, and accept that it will never stop.l  
 

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The problem is that it is not talked about as "possible." I hate that the media can report anonymously sourced things and then engage in wild speculation that is delivered with the same seriousness and tone as actual tragedies. I hate that anonymous sources are coming out with rumors about both Kane and his accuser. Again, If Kane did the things he is alleged to have in a court of law, and he is convicted, then it is ok to talk about him as an actual sexual predator. Same with the victim. I just hate the rush to have the hottest take of why he is or is not a rapist or why his accuser is or is not a slut. I hate it even more so when it is because of allegations of anonymous sources.
 

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So, how's your world work.  A famous person is accused of rape and nobody discusses it.  He goes and plays the next season or 2.  Is the face of a video game franchise.  People root for him, buy his jerseys, go to his appearances, etc. and then after trial just go whoop didn't see that coming?
 
Also, Patrick Kane isn't the hill you want to die on.  I won't offend you by rumor-mongering, but the guy is an absolute scumbag and should've been in jail awhile ago, and - yeah - if some other stories had gotten a bit more traction in the press I doubt anyone would be following him home in the first instance so I really disagree with your take that everyone should just shut up until the legal process takes it's sweet time playing out. 
 

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Fame carries with it lots of advantages and power that stems from the fact that lots of people know who you are, care about what you do, and talk about you.

It also carries the disadvantage that lots of people know who you are, care about what you do, and talk about you.

This is not new. Famous people (adults, anyway) know the drill and fail to act accordingly at their own risk. Getting drunk and acting like an asshole in public with other drunk people late at night is a high-risk endeavor for someone as famous as Kane, and even if he is 100% innocent of the charges, he's a dumb fuck that deserves no pity from anyone.
 

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It will be interesting to see. This may be nothing but a shot across Kane's bow as a final warning.

I mean, what team is going to trade for him right now, unless the offer is something totally low-ball? Chicago can't possibly even gauge his worth at the moment.
 

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Chicago is apparently going to address the situation today. Dreger says "'no reason" to think Kane won't participate when camp opens on Friday.

He really shouldn't be there until the issue is resolved, IMO. I believe the grand jury proceedings were rescheduled.
 

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The Blackhawks are about to hold a press conference to address the situation.

I still think the right call is to keep Kane away from the team. Essentially suspend him with pay pending the outcome of the investigation. Then they can make a more formal decision once the grand jury returns a decision.

Edit: Kane's going to speak.
 

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https://twitter.com/ShawnMcKenzieSN/status/646731629302448128
 
https://twitter.com/ShawnMcKenzieSN/status/646731969326219264
 

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Lawyer saying the victim is devastated by all the victim bashing.

This thing isn't going to go away. No idea what happens now with the rape kit having be tampered with, but yeesh.
 

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This thing is getting uglier and uglier as more information comes out.
 
How in the hell does a rape kit end up on the front porch of an alleged victim's mother?
 

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“@bruce_arthur: Patrick Kane is at camp. He was cheered by the fans when he stepped on the ice. This is all sickening.”
 

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Not even sure what to make of that until it's known who did it or at least who had access to it. Ripping it open and leaving at the doorstep could easily be the work of a psycho fan who happens to work in Chicago PD as opposed to some kind of institutional cover-up/bribery situation, the latter being a conclusion I'm sure many will jump to before the facts are out. What a mess.
 

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IHateDaveKerpen said:
 
Agreed 100%.  What is possibly to be gained by having him on the ice right now?
 
Probably the same reason he got away with the stat rape thing in Chicago.  He's good at scoring goals.
 

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Jed Zeppelin said:
Not even sure what to make of that until it's known who did it or at least who had access to it. Ripping it open and leaving at the doorstep could easily be the work of a psycho fan who happens to work in Chicago PD as opposed to some kind of institutional cover-up/bribery situation, the latter being a conclusion I'm sure many will jump to before the facts are out. What a mess.
 
Buffalo PD, but yeah...
 

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Probably the same reason he got away with the stat rape thing in Chicago.  He's good at scoring goals.
 
But in CAMP?  I'm cynical enough to understand him continuing to play during a cup run, but this is a wee bit different.
 

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“@reporterchris: NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly says Patrick Kane’s playing status remains unchanged. He’s still in camp with the #blackhawks.”

GJGE nhl.
 

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Kane's attorney says no Kane DNA was found bellow the victims waste. I guess there was information leaked to the Buffalo News that another persons DNA was found in the victim. The motives of the person who brought the kit to the mother's house seem unclear. Whistle blower?

Also, Kane's driver the night of the alleged rape was a Buffalo police officer.
 

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Jesus Christ that's awful.
 
Jed Zeppelin said:
Not even sure what to make of that until it's known who did it or at least who had access to it. Ripping it open and leaving at the doorstep could easily be the work of a psycho fan who happens to work in Chicago PD as opposed to some kind of institutional cover-up/bribery situation, the latter being a conclusion I'm sure many will jump to before the facts are out. What a mess.
From Kane's perspective, yeah, but for the Buffalo PD's image being so negligent with the evidence as to allow this is pretty much the same as if Kane or an associate had bribed someone.
 

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soxhop411 said:
“@reporterchris: NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly says Patrick Kane’s playing status remains unchanged. He’s still in camp with the #blackhawks.”

GJGE nhl.
Can the NHL actually do anything though since he hasn't been formally charged? This seems to be more on the Blackhawks than the league.  Voynov, to use a similar example, was arrested and charged so the NHL could easily suspend him but I'm not sure if they can do that yet with Kane.
 

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Wanna report the rest of that story?
 
http://www.secondcityhockey.com/2015/9/21/9365619/patrick-kane-investigation-dna-evidence-blackhawks
 
 
"Kane’s DNA was found beneath the woman’s fingernails and on her shoulders, according to two of the sources, one of them a member of law enforcement," the report added. It's unclear how exactly these developments will affect the investigation or decision of whether Kane gets charged.
The case is expected to go to a grand jury starting later this month. Kane has denied the allegations.


When sources who discussed the DNA evidence were asked about the presence of Kane’s DNA on the woman’s shoulders and under her fingernails, three of the sources told The News that could have come from casual contact.
That could be true, but the DNA found under her nails could also indicate there was some kind of struggle, [former Erie County DA Frank J.] Clark said.
 
It's good he learned to use a condom, though.
 

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kenneycb said:
Can the NHL actually do anything though since he hasn't been formally charged? This seems to be more on the Blackhawks than the league.  Voynov, to use a similar example, was arrested and charged so the NHL could easily suspend him but I'm not sure if they can do that yet with Kane.
Yes. It is in the CBA that they can suspend based off of an investigation. Charges don't have to be filed.
 

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“@StacyStClair: Patrick Kane atty says that only someone ”unhappy with the results“ of DNA testing would tamper with evidence.”

What the fuck
 

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“@StacyStClair: Patrick Kane attorney tells Trib that his client would be hurt most by tampered evidence because they can’t do their own testing if needed”
 

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Interesting. My first thought when I read the report was: "Perhaps this was not actually the rape kit, and just the work of some sick asshole."

Where is Rovin Romine when you need him?
 
From earlier and the accuser's attorney - 
 
https://twitter.com/ShawnMcKenzieSN/status/646732922079211520
 

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Maybe Sedita being given merely a "qualified" rating will be the most important piece as to whether there's justice here.
 
What are the Blackhawks thinking having him at camp though, even if the NHL doesn't impose any additional discipline? The distraction will be enormous.
 

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Julie DiCaro ‏@JulieDiCaro  50m50 minutes ago
SOURCE: Neither accuser or her attorneys in Patrick Kane investigation have ever seen the undergarments tested by crime lab.