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Looking at the Yankees' remaining schedule - man, what a cakewalk. If the Red Sox stumble even a little bit, the lead could easily drop under 5 games pretty quickly.
If past performance against other teams means anything though, the Yanks are just 6-6 vs TB and 6-6 vs BAL. So, 7 more against each of them. Are they going to continue to play NY tough? Who knows. Also, they have 3 each at OAK and SEA. 6 more with BOS; BOS having to venture no further west than Cleveland for the rest of the year. I'll take our chances.
 

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Looking at the Yankees' remaining schedule - man, what a cakewalk. If the Red Sox stumble even a little bit, the lead could easily drop under 5 games pretty quickly.
/humblebrag

And an excellent one at that. Hopefully, the Red Sox continue to rest players while maintaining an overall daily competitive lineup and rotation.

i want the MFYs to keep the Sox from getting complacent, but that’s all.
 

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With 47 games left for Boston, let's say they go 28-19 (.596 clip). That would put Boston at 109 wins.

Now, Boston's worst 47 game stretch so far this season was from May 1 through June 20, where they went 28-19. So this is a reasonable low bar to set.
It isn't really, though. Just because the Sox haven't had a real, extended slump yet, that doesn't mean they can't. Any team, no matter how good, can have a bad month. And in the Sox' case, that's most likely to come in September, when 15 of their 26 games are against likely playoff teams (ATL, HOU, NYY, and CLE), 9 of the 15 on the road. It wouldn't be at all shocking even for a team this good to have something like a 10-16 record for a month like that. If the Yankees are performing at roughly the opposite of that pace at the same time (easy to do if the Sox are losing, since 6 of those games are head-to-head), that's most of the lead right there. Which the Sox could survive, if they take care of business for the rest of August, when their schedule is almost as easy as the Yankees'. But they have to do that. If they take the foot off the gas and walk into September with the lead down to 5 or 6 games, things could get serious very quickly, and before you know it the game threads will be swarming with chicken and beer references.

If past performance against other teams means anything though, the Yanks are just 6-6 vs TB and 6-6 vs BAL. So, 7 more against each of them.
Why would past performance mean anything in this case though? It seems far more likely that TB and BAL just randomly outperformed their true talent vs. the Yankees over a small sample of games than that there is something quirky about their rosters vis-a-vis the Yankees that makes those two pairs of teams, in spite of their records vs. everybody else, truly an even match for each other.

In short: the Yankees are a better team than the Rays and a much better team than the Orioles. We should expect them to win more games than they lose against those two teams, regardless of what's happened before (but given the sample size, we shouldn't be surprised if they don't).
 

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I don't love 538's ELO method, but it's a reasonable attempt to quantify the AL East race. They have the Sox at 93% to win the division. So the fat lady hasn't sung yet, but she is doing some vocal warm-up exercises.

If the Sox have a double-digit game lead when rosters expand, it wouldn't surprise me to see them go to a six-man starting rotation to keep the arms fresh.
 

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I don't love 538's ELO method, but it's a reasonable attempt to quantify the AL East race. They have the Sox at 93% to win the division. So the fat lady hasn't sung yet, but she is doing some vocal warm-up exercises.
538 has the Yankees going 31-18 down the stretch to finish at 102-60. That feels about right looking at their schedule.

Looking at the Sox schedule - if we assume they play the remaining 21 games against contenders at something like the .535 winning percentage that they have so far, and play the 26 games against non-contenders at a .600 percentage, that works out to 26-21 and a 107-55 overall record. Maybe they continue to annihilate the weaker teams and get a few more wins but I'd just love to see them render that final MFY series moot and get the rotation set for the ALDS.
 

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I simply don’t understand going through life like that. The Sox lost one game, it was bound to happen eventually and it is quite likely to happen again.
 

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The Red Sox are 8 games clear of the team with the second best record in baseball. (by win pct.)
 

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You almost have to be George Costanza to invent a way to be bothered that the 2nd place team went 4-4 while your 1st place team went 6-1, who was even hoping for more than that before the 2nd place team came here to lose 4.
 

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At what point is it okay to talk about this team maybe getting to 116 wins?
Ah, 116 wins, the magic number. But whose 116 wins are we talking about? Is it the 116 by Seattle in 2001 when they lost 46 games for a .716 winning percentage or the 1906 Cubs when they lost 36 games for a .763 winning percentage? A team today would have to win at least 124 games to outdo the 1906 Cubs from a winning percentage point-of-view.
 

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I don't love 538's ELO method, but it's a reasonable attempt to quantify the AL East race. They have the Sox at 93% to win the division. So the fat lady hasn't sung yet, but she is doing some vocal warm-up exercises.

If the Sox have a double-digit game lead when rosters expand, it wouldn't surprise me to see them go to a six-man starting rotation to keep the arms fresh.
With rosters expanded and a large lead, I'd like to see Cora stick with a 5 man rotation on regular turns but lower the pitch counts of the starters(~75/game). Instead of Pomeranz being the 6th starter, let's see if he can add value out of the pen (so far so good). ALSO use those extra relief innings to try out some minor league arms (Scott, Poyner, Gorst, etc) and try to discover a hot arm. Our pen is our Achilles heel and if Cora can uncover a reliable situational arm for the playoffs we'd be better off.
 
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With rosters expanded and a large lead, I'd like to see Cora stick with a 5 man rotation on regular turns but lower the pitch counts of the starters(~75/game). Instead of Pomeranz being the 6th starter, let's see if he can add value out of the pen (so far so good). ALSO use those extra relief innings to try out some minor league arms (Scott, Poyner, Gorst, etc) and try to discover a hot arm. Our pen is our Achilles heel and if Cora can uncover a reliable situational arm for the playoffs we'd be better off.
They should definitely take every opportunity to rest the top starters, but I'm not sure a flat pitch limit is the best way to do it. Especially one that low. Often it's not how many pitches thrown, it's the situations in which they are thrown.

Just as an example, I think you maybe try to get one more inning out of Price yesterday if they had scored 3-4 runs in the first rather than in the 5th/6th inning. Only because pitching with an early lead might make 105-110 through 7 innings a little less tiring than throwing 94 through 6 when most of them are thrown trying to maintain a 0-0 tie. (not trying to turn this into a Jack Morris, pitch to the situation argument...just talking about the level of stress placed on the pitcher).

So I'd go with a plan of giving relatively quick hooks to preserve the starters, but not based on a flat number. Maybe more like the approach was in April...don't push them but give them enough wiggle room (90-105 range) to get through 5 or 6 without having to be super efficient. Obviously he isn't the model of efficiency, but can't help but think of Brian Johnson with that 75 pitch count. That's essentially where he was for the first few starts he made in July, and he never got out of the fifth, which put a bit of a strain on the pen. Can't have all five starters in that situation.
 

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On the subject of rest...the team has been operating with just 3 bench players for a while now. Maybe with Sale back, ERod on his way, and a few off-days before the end of the month (2 this week), they ought to consider bringing a fourth bench player back to start giving the position players a bit more rest. Two guys dinged up and out of the lineup today.

 

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On the subject of rest...the team has been operating with just 3 bench players for a while now. Maybe with Sale back, ERod on his way, and a few off-days before the end of the month (2 this week), they ought to consider bringing a fourth bench player back to start giving the position players a bit more rest. Two guys dinged up and out of the lineup today.

Hopefully close on Kinsler and Swihart. Should help.
 

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With rosters expanded and a large lead, I'd like to see Cora stick with a 5 man rotation on regular turns but lower the pitch counts of the starters(~75/game). Instead of Pomeranz being the 6th starter, let's see if he can add value out of the pen (so far so good). ALSO use those extra relief innings to try out some minor league arms (Scott, Poyner, Gorst, etc) and try to discover a hot arm. Our pen is our Achilles heel and if Cora can uncover a reliable situational arm for the playoffs we'd be better off.
I agree with keeping Pom in the pen. I'd add Eduardo to the current 5.
 

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Sox are now at 85-35 with 42 games to play. 9.5 games up on the MFY. How many games do they realistically need to win to clinch the division given the Yanks' horrendously-easy schedule the rest of the way?

My guess is that the Sox need to go 23-19. Fingers crossed.

I'm guessing that the MFY will go:
  • Undefeated in their remaining six games against the Twins (who always roll over for the Yankees), Marlins and Mets
  • 6-1 against the Tigers and White Sox
  • 14-6 against the rest of the AL East (6-1 against the Orioles, 4-3 against the Rays, 4-2 against the Blue Jays)
  • 3-3 against the AL West (1-2 against the A's, 2-1 against the Mariners)
  • 3-3 against us
 

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If the Yankees maintain their current win percentage, that comes out to 28.4 wins the rest of the way for a final total of 102 or 103 (depends on how you want to round).

I would think a 4-5 game margin of error would be wise, so a minimum of 106 or 107 seems like the ideal target. .500 baseball the rest of the way gets the Sox there. Not hard to think they can do better than that.
 

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Sox are now at 85-35 with 42 games to play. 9.5 games up on the MFY. How many games do they realistically need to win to clinch the division given the Yanks' horrendously-easy schedule the rest of the way?

My guess is that the Sox need to go 23-19. Fingers crossed.

I'm guessing that the MFY will go:
  • Undefeated in their remaining six games against the Twins (who always roll over for the Yankees), Marlins and Mets
  • 6-1 against the Tigers and White Sox
  • 14-6 against the rest of the AL East (6-1 against the Orioles, 4-3 against the Rays, 4-2 against the Blue Jays)
  • 3-3 against the AL West (1-2 against the A's, 2-1 against the Mariners)
  • 3-3 against us
It’s almost impossible for the Yankees to make up the deficit without doing real damage against the Red Sox. I think that when looking at how good the Sox have to be TO BE SAFE, you should start from an assumption of the Yankees sweeping the Sox.
 

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It’s almost impossible for the Yankees to make up the deficit without doing real damage against the Red Sox. I think that when looking at how good the Sox have to be TO BE SAFE, you should start from an assumption of the Yankees sweeping the Sox.
I am guessing the Yanks split with us. If you think they will sweep us, then just add 3 wins to our required 23 ... which would imply that the Sox need to go 26-16 the rest of the way.

The Sox remaining games aren't a cakewalk, as the weighted average win percentage of the remaining opponents is .505.
  • 6 against Yankees (.632 win pct)
  • 3 against Astros (.613)
  • 7 against Indians (.569)
  • 2 against Phillies (.560)
  • 3 against Braves (.557)
  • 6 against Rays (.508)
  • 3 against Blue Jays (.453)
  • 3 against Mets (.426)
  • 2 against Marlins (.403)
  • 4 against White Sox (.359)
  • 3 against Orioles (.294)
 

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The Yankees rebounded from an embarrassing sweep at Fenway to go 6-1 in the week since ... and did not chip a single game off their 9.5 deficit in the division race.
 

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3/4 through the season now. This is where the Sox will really show how far they are above the MFY as the schedule disparity hits.
 

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September will be a godsend for this team. It will be nice to see guys like Haley, Walden, Scott, and Poyner gobbling up meaningless innings. And really, opponents play in a shit ton of meaningless innings against the Red Sox.

Not only that but they can liberally rest X, Beni, maybe even Mookie. It's nice not having the pressure cooker of close playoff chase. I have a feeling the last week of the season is going to look like spring training.
 

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September will be a godsend for this team. It will be nice to see guys like Haley, Walden, Scott, and Poyner gobbling up meaningless innings. And really, opponents play in a shit ton of meaningless innings against the Red Sox.

Not only that but they can liberally rest X, Beni, maybe even Mookie. It's nice not having the pressure cooker of close playoff chase. I have a feeling the last week of the season is going to look like spring training.
Not until clinching.
 

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Sox are now at 85-35 with 42 games to play. 9.5 games up on the MFY. How many games do they realistically need to win to clinch the division given the Yanks' horrendously-easy schedule the rest of the way?

My guess is that the Sox need to go 23-19. Fingers crossed.

I'm guessing that the MFY will go:
  • Undefeated in their remaining six games against the Twins (who always roll over for the Yankees), Marlins and Mets
  • 6-1 against the Tigers and White Sox
  • 14-6 against the rest of the AL East (6-1 against the Orioles, 4-3 against the Rays, 4-2 against the Blue Jays)
  • 3-3 against the AL West (1-2 against the A's, 2-1 against the Mariners)
  • 3-3 against us
You’re guessing the Yankees go 32-13? That’s .711. They certainly could but I’d take the under.
 

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I am guessing the Yanks split with us. If you think they will sweep us, then just add 3 wins to our required 23 ... which would imply that the Sox need to go 26-16 the rest of the way.

The Sox remaining games aren't a cakewalk, as the weighted average win percentage of the remaining opponents is .505.
  • 6 against Yankees (.632 win pct)
  • 3 against Astros (.613)
  • 7 against Indians (.569)
  • 2 against Phillies (.560)
  • 3 against Braves (.557)
  • 6 against Rays (.508)
  • 3 against Blue Jays (.453)
  • 3 against Mets (.426)
  • 2 against Marlins (.403)
  • 4 against White Sox (.359)
  • 3 against Orioles (.294)
A couple points in our favor...

• 18 road games remaining v. 24 home games
• Assuming rotations go to form over the next two series, we miss Nola and Arietta vs. Philly (and get Pivetta and Velasquez), and miss Snell v. TB (and get Glasnow and two starters TBD). And the Yankees get Snell next series.

Not sure it makes sense to go too far beyond the next couple series with "likely opponent starter" analysis, since rotations over time tend to get out of sync, but I do think 42 games left is few enough where (if so inclined) we can probably get a bit more fine-grained than just opponent winning %.
 

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You’re guessing the Yankees go 32-13? That’s .711. They certainly could but I’d take the under.
FWIW, they went 36-13 (.735) from Apr 13 through June 12. And 40-13 (.755) from Apr 21 through June 21. In total, 44-15 (.746) from Apr 13 through June 21.

So they're more than capable of going 32-13, though of course, odds are against it.

Judge's injury is a major factor for them, though.
 

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The Sox next 12 games are against above .500 teams.

On the other hand over the next 20 games, the Yanks play 1 series (3 games vs. TB) against an above .500 team.

We'll know over the next few weeks if the Yanks have hope. The Yanks need to get this down to 4 games over the next 20 games.
 

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3/4 through the season now. This is where the Sox will really show how far they are above the MFY as the schedule disparity hits.
Yes, hopefully.

The Yankees have a decided schedule advantage over the full 162-game schedule this year.
  • We play 3 more games against the Braves (us 6 vs them 3)
  • They play 3 more games against the Mets (us 3 vs them 6)
  • We play 1 more game against the Mariners (us 7 vs them 6)
  • They play 1 more game against the Tigers (us 6 vs them 7)
  • We play 1 more game against the Phillies (us 4 vs them 3)
  • They play 1 more game against the Nationals (us 3 vs them 4)
  • We play 1 more game against the White Sox (us 7 vs them 6)
  • They play 1 more game against the Royals (us 6 vs them 7)
As of tonight's records, we play 4 more games against winning teams over the full season and they play 4 more games against losing teams over the full season.

We have 27 games against teams with winning records remaining this season (PHI, TB, ATL, CLE, HOU, MFY) and the MFY have 19 (TB, OAK, SEA, BOS).
 
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If past performance against other teams means anything though, the Yanks are just 6-6 vs TB and 6-6 vs BAL. So, 7 more against each of them. Are they going to continue to play NY tough? Who knows. Also, they have 3 each at OAK and SEA. 6 more with BOS; BOS having to venture no further west than Cleveland for the rest of the year. I'll take our chances.
Sox actually have to venture west of Cleveland to the South Side of Chicago, but your point still stands.
 

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Sox are now at 85-35 with 42 games to play. 9.5 games up on the MFY. How many games do they realistically need to win to clinch the division given the Yanks' horrendously-easy schedule the rest of the way?

My guess is that the Sox need to go 23-19. Fingers crossed.

I'm guessing that the MFY will go:
  • Undefeated in their remaining six games against the Twins (who always roll over for the Yankees), Marlins and Mets
  • 6-1 against the Tigers and White Sox
  • 14-6 against the rest of the AL East (6-1 against the Orioles, 4-3 against the Rays, 4-2 against the Blue Jays)
  • 3-3 against the AL West (1-2 against the A's, 2-1 against the Mariners)
  • 3-3 against us
Since I wrote the above, Sox have gone 15-11. They'd need to go 8-8 the rest of the way to hit my 23-19 bogie.

How did my prognostication about the MFY turn out?
1. 6-0 against the Twins, Marlins and Mets. Close, they actually went 2-4.
2. 6-1 against the Tigers and White Sox. Also close, they actually went 3-4.
3. 14-6 against the rest of the AL East. They've actually gone 8-2 against BAL, TB and TOR with 10 games left to play.
4. 3-3 against the AL West (OAK and SEA). NAILED IT!
5. 3-3 against us. Now, they're probably going to need to do a bit better than that in the final 6 games against us.

If we go 6-10 in our remaining games, the MFY have to go undefeated the rest of the way in order to catch us for the division.
 
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Since I wrote the above, Sox have gone 15-11. They'd need to go 8-8 the rest of the way to hit my 23-19 bogie.

How did my prognostication about the MFY turn out?
1. 6-0 against the Twins, Marlins and Mets. Close, they actually went 3-3.
2. 6-1 against the Tigers and White Sox. Also close, they actually went 3-4.
3. 14-6 against the rest of the AL East. They've actually gone 8-2 against BAL, TB and TOR.
4. 3-3 against the AL West (OAK and SEA). NAILED IT!
5. 3-3 against us. Now, they're going to need to do better than that.

If we go 6-10 in our remaining games, the MFY have to go undefeated the rest of the way in order to catch us for the division.
How is you predicting a 12-1 stretch for the MFY against dreck and them going 6-7 "close"?

The division isn't in play. It's over.