Week 3 NFL Game Thread
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I don't mind the tie in, again it's the over the top hyperbolic way Gruden presented it. Not the hill I'm willing to die on either so it's all good Joe.smokin joe wood said:
What do you think of Rich Gannon as a colored guy?
Gannon is pretty good. I'd take him and Harlon over Simms and Nantz every day and twice on Sundays.GeorgeCostanza said:
Nice purposeful typo. I've thought he's good at his job for a while now. As is Colinsworth, as you pointed out. I think Wilcots is not horrible and I think Ronde Barber is pretty good.
CR67dream said:
Enlightening is an interesting way of asking. I think Gruden is really good. He is obviously very knowledgable and I have chosen to ignore most of his shtick. He is very skilled at taking the 10-15 seconds he gets between plays to explain what has happened or setup the next play. It's a really hard thing to do.
Collinsworth is likely the best. The entire SNF production is ridiculously good.
Simms was better a few years ago but he simplifies things for the viewer really well. He's also working with the worst (IMO) of the #1 PBP guys at the four networks. He's also doing 2 games a week which makes it harder.
I haven't heard enough of most of the younger/newer guys like Cooley and I'm not a big Aikman guy.
Herbstreit and Chris Spielman are both good college analysts. I was surprised how good Mack Brown was right away for an older coach.
Generally speaking, it is a really hard thing learn and do well. Most former players either rely too much on their playing experience or don't have the charisma to pull it off.
Fair enough, but if Collinsworth is the best, there's a hell of a lot of work to do.smokin joe wood said:
GeorgeCostanza said:
I used to like Gannon on radio before my satellite subscription ended. Seems well prepped. I haven't heard enough of him but Harlan is a pro and will always have a pass from me for having the best regular season dunk call of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6lnuwMbA4M
That's a fair point. I would counter by saying that it's not hard to imagine that network execs are making consistently poor hiring decisions -- why does the color commentator needs to be a well-known former player or coach? If the perspective of a former player or coach is desired, why not find a more obscure figure who has a better knack for broadcasting?smokin joe wood said:
As a RZ subscriber, I don't catch the secondary crews often enough to have strongly held opinions about them. Among the A-teams, I like Gruden a lot better than Simms or Collinsworth, but not nearly as much as Aikman. (And while Collinsworth has his supporters, I don't know anyone who likes Simms -- he perfectly illustrates my point about bad hiring.)
I'm just going to stop asking Andy Reid never to change because it becomes clearer every day that he never will.
CR67dream said:
Find the Real Sports piece on Collinsworth. He narrates games from his house so the producer and tape op producer know what angles he wants to see on replay. That is mind numbing. He's really good. He hasn't played in the NFL since '88 and can call a game like he retired a couple of years ago. That is so hard for a former player that was never a coach.
General rule of thumb in broadcasting - if fans of both teams hate you - you are probably doing your job well.
maufman said:
The industry is getting closer to having more former coaches (not players) and lesser-known players in more prominent roles. There are so many games on TV now that the cream will rise to the top. Unfortunately, professional leagues are a lot slower making this change than college sports.
Name recognition will always be a thing. That's just the nature of the business.
You like him, I think he sucks. You may be right, I may be crazy. But I still think he sucks. So, goodnight.smokin joe wood said:
Plenty of good in Rock Hill, plenty not so much. Your friend is about twenty minutes south of Charlotte, I'm about twenty minutes north.
If you are in the northeast and, once again, get more than eight feet of snow while we get less than eight inches, you, then. will have my condolences.
If you are in the northeast and, once again, get more than eight feet of snow while we get less than eight inches, you, then. will have my condolences.
Just outside of Worcester, MA so yea we usually get hammered pretty good. But I work from home full time and I love the snow so bring that shit on.ipol said:Plenty of good in Rock Hill, plenty not so much. Your friend is about twenty minutes south of Charlotte, I'm about twenty minutes north.
If you are in the northeast and, once again, get more than eight feet of snow while we get less than eight inches, you, then. will have my condolences.
The best guy I ever heard do color was Dick Vermeil. I felt like I learned more in a drive then I ever had from another announcer. I don't like collinsworth. I like Simms enough. I think the personality of the color guy is more important to me than what they say. I can't take Randy Cross. That dude is mutable. I like Aikman but Joe Buck is also mutable so it's a tough combo.maufman said:
Thank you, smokin joe. The complaining about broadcasts and announcers on this board is getting tiresome. 90% of them are just fine.
Edit: except Chris Berman
Edit: except Chris Berman
PFF gave Rodgers a negative grade for his game last night (-0.8). Bortles graded out higher than Rodgers did this week (-0.7).
They suck, and they should really never be mentioned on this board again.
They suck, and they should really never be mentioned on this board again.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
They refuse to give the QB any credit for short completions to open receivers, as if there's absolutely no merit in diagnosing a defense pre snap, going through progressions and placing the ball accurately in the hands of a guy who has a step on the defender for a 9 yard gain. Of the 32 starting quarterbacks in the NFL right now, I'd wager about 8 or 9 of them can do what I described consistently, and pretty much only Brady and Rodgers at this point can be trusted to do it every single game regardless of opponent. They seem to think that the only throws that reflect a QBs skill are 50 yard bombs in stride down the sideline or frozen ropes through a tight window over the middle. The moment I read people talking about "air yards" or "difficulty of throw" when judging QB play I know they are looking for style points instead of efficiency. I mean, the ability to make big time throws in crunch time can help separate good QBs from great ones, but I don't think that's the defining parameter through which you should judge a QB's quality. It's like Al Davis is grading these guys.
If it was so easy to find the open man, hit in him in stride, and do it consistently, why is every year spent listening to teams/fans/media bitch about the lack of good QBs?
Even better, PFF's initial grade on Rodgers was -2.3, and then when they caught a raft of shit for that they discovered a "math error" and revised it to -0.8.
They are the worst.
They are the worst.
I loved their explanation. "Well we don't look at intangible things."
It's an entirely subjective system in which you decide if a throw is good or bad, it's all intangible.
It's an entirely subjective system in which you decide if a throw is good or bad, it's all intangible.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
They're not going to make their numbers available to the general public any more so hopefully we won't have to wade through them.
If only we would be that blessed, but you know some media company is going to pay for the right to the numbers.Shelterdog said:
Then all you will hear is "I've got the inside scoop on how Aaron Rodgers isn't as good as you think. Coming from the people the X out of 32 teams employ. You simpleton plebes don't understand."
pulled this from the avclub and am posting here because it needs to be shared but also I didn't want to muck up the Dolphins thread.
http://i.imgur.com/mk1kV00.webm
Edit: god damn it.
http://i.imgur.com/mk1kV00.webm
Edit: god damn it.