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Week 2--On to New Orleans

Discussion in '2017 Patriots Game Threads' started by RedOctober3829, Sep 8, 2017.

  1. RedOctober3829

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    There is lots of outside noise to ignore now after that performance last night. At least the coaching staff gets a few extra days to sort out what went wrong and what they can do to fix it.

    This game won't be easy either. At least the Saints are going to be on a short week. However, facing Drew Brees and (yes, an older) Adrian Peterson/Mark Ingram isn't a very comforting feeling after seeing what Alex Smith and Kareem Hunt did to the defense. Michael Thomas is one of the best WR's in the game and I expect to see Stephon Gilmore on him all night.

    Here's to hoping that Amendola and Hightower don't have long-term injuries.
     
  2. Mooch

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    I'll be taking my 11 year old to his first Pats game....In New Orleans....He may need to hold the bail money.

    The Saints defense is a mix of high ceiling rookies and cast-offs and outside of Cam Jordan, they have no pass rush. I'd imagine that the Pats can get right back on track offensively next week, playing indoors on a fast surface. On the other side of the ball, the weak link will be up the middle, now that Max Unger is hurt. Also, the WR depth is thin for New Orleans as well, with Snead's suspension. The Patriots should run some serious Double A gap blitzes against Brees and force anyone other than Thomas to beat them.
     
  3. RedOctober3829

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    Hightower dealing with a minor MCL sprain according to Jeff Howe. He could play against the Saints.

    Patriots linebacker Dont'a Hightower caught a lucky break.

    Tests yesterday revealed Hightower merely suffered a minor right knee sprain, according to a source. Based on his progress over the coming week, it even sounds possible that he could play against the Saints, though that determination likely won't come for several days.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/...njury_to_donta_hightower_is_minor_knee_sprain
     
  4. NJ_Sox_Fan

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    The defense in week 1 was utter shit, but honestly, I feel more concerned about the offense with the injuries, and lack of ability to get the ball to Hogan, Gronk, or really Cooks and why they didn't throw more to their 4 RBs. If they can't score a ton on NO, I'll be really concerned.
     
  5. j-man

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    ne should win but your front 7 on def made K Hunt look like J Brown that a worry

    and u are 3 Inj from 8-8 Hightower Gronk Cannon or solder

    ne should stil go 6-0 aga the AFC East but the other 9 games look like shootouts ex for denver denver does not have the offensive firepower to keep up but if u throw deep all game who knows

    i was drinking the koolaid for NE this year then last night happhed even if u go 12-4 kc might also go 12-4 it wouild be a littie funny if u needed a KC Loss in week 17 for homefield aga KC because i dont know if denver can beat them even in denver
     
  6. RedOctober3829

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    The Patriots are far from the only team that was predicted to do very well to have a bad performance in Week 1. I'd say Atlanta, Pittsburgh, NY Giants, and Seattle all had subpar games. Not all lost but they all did not play well. The Patriots will figure things out.
     
  7. snowmanny

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    Sometimes I forget that really the point of the regular season is to make the playoffs and hopefully go into the playoffs playing your best football. In order to make the playoffs one has to win some games in September and October and Sunday will be a start. I mean, the Patriots lost their first game in 2001, 2003 and 2014.
     
  8. Bergs

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    In fact, 2001, 2003, and 2014 are the ONLY 3 season-opening losses they've had since 2000. So, the Pats win the Super Bowl every year they lose opening day.
     
  9. nattysez

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    Good Lord are the Saints cheap-shot artists. They are leading with the crown of their helmets, crushing defenseless WR, you name it. Keeping everyone healthy/unconcussed is going to be an uphill battle.
     
  10. RedOctober3829

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  11. BigSoxFan

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    I'm sure our ferocious pass rush will be able to take advantage of this.
     
  12. RedOctober3829

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    I don't think our rush is that bad. Flowers had a tremendous game rushing the passer and Wise had a good game as well. I don't think the schemes they were running were conducive to a constant pass rush as they didn't blitz much. I think we know enough about BB and Patricia to realize that the ends aren't solely asked to rush the QB and that's it.
     
  13. tims4wins

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    I agree with this, there were some periods on Thursday night especially in the first and second quarter when the trio of Wise, Flowers, and Butler were generating some good, consistent pressure on passing downs.
     
  14. BigSoxFan

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    I mean, that clearly is the case but I also think that Flowers is the only guy on our DL that teams really have to take notice of. If our talented secondary plays up to its potential, the pass rush is perfectly fine. Our defense is clearly never going to sell out to get sacks the way teams like Denver, Baltimore, etc. do. But we just came off a game where Alex Smith looked like prime Joe Montana so there is ample reason for concern. And if Flowers ever goes down, god help us.
     
  15. Captaincoop

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    The secondary is talented, but that doesn't matter much if your front seven can't generate pressure and you're asking your secondary to cover receivers for 10 seconds. The Pats have never been a huge blitzing team, but they've had multiple guys in the past who can rush the passer (or are at least a threat to rush the passer). At this point, you're relying on Flowers alone to do that.

    I'm not betting against the coaching staff figuring out how to fix this, but it's a concern for sure.
     
  16. tims4wins

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    This may be the homer in me but I saw some good things from the defense despite the 42 points allowed. I saw some good consistent pressure from the trio of Wise, Flowers, and Butler on passing downs. In addition to the 1 play drive that resulted in a fumble, the defense had four 3 and outs, as well as a 5 play / 6 yard drive, and a 4 play / 19 yard drive. That comes to 7 series where the defense played pretty well - 2 total first downs on those 7 drives. IMO it wasn't the pass rush that killed them, they just basically gave up 4 huge plays that totally killed them. That of course is a problem but one that BB is likely to fix IMO.
     
  17. Captaincoop

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    They gave up two 12-play, 90+ yard drives that ended in TDs, in addition to giving up a bunch of big plays. Alex Smith went 28-for-35 against them.

    I wouldn't say they just gave up four huge plays, and that's all they need to fix.
     
  18. tims4wins

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    I agree it wasn't great, those two first half TD drives were not good, especially the one before the half. KC had 537 yards there is nothing good about that. But 211 came on exactly 3 plays.
     
  19. Bergs

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    Which saved us the effort and injury risk of giving up those 211 yards on 21 plays.

    Sent from my SM-G900P using SoSH mobile app
     
  20. tims4wins

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    Guys the point is that 4 three and outs, plus two other drives of only 1 first down each, indicates to me that it is not a total lost cause. That's all I am saying. It is hard for me to believe this defense will end up worse than say 2011
     
  21. edmunddantes

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    Big play issues of the Pats Defense against Kansas City

    They will need to fix from the Kansas City game unless they want Drew Brees to tear them apart.

    Reading it was somewhat conducive to the idea that there are some fixable things there (and also McCourty might have had a huge negative play or two to detract from what I thought was a good game) and helping get a little bit further away from the ledge.
     
  22. Captaincoop

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    Looking at some of those freeze-frames, based on where the receivers are, you are probably close to 3 seconds into the play, and you have multiple DL in one-on-one situations, and are generating no pressure at all.
     
  23. Super Nomario

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    If you're Rex Ryan, you know your defensive style is going to give up a big play from time-to-time but you live with it because you figure you'll make enough positive plays to compensate. If you're Bill Belichick and you're conceding some short stuff in a bend-but-don't-break style, you cannot allow those big gains. They allowed five yards per play leaving aside those three plays, so it's not like they stifled KC on the other plays. They were mediocre, except for three plays where they were awful, which adds up to atrocious.

    The red zone D, another hallmark of BBDB, was also trash, giving up TDs on all three opportunities. If they can make the Chiefs kick a FG twice close in, this is still a one-score game.
     
  24. Super Nomario

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    Slater, Amendola, Hightower, and Valentine all not practicing again today.

    That likely leaves just Cooks, Hogan, and Dorsett active among WR. That's really light, especially with Dorsett only here a couple weeks. Do they activate Cody Hollister? DeMarcus Ayers is the other option; he's more of a return guy but they need that, too. I'd expect to see a lot of 2 TE or Develin in the game.

    The other question is, with Hightower likely out, how they manage playing time among guys like Wise, Guy, Adam Butler, Marsh, Harris, Roberts, and Harvey Langi, who could be presumably activated in Hightower's place. The Saints sub a lot, so they could match substitutions based on who comes into the game (Harris in whenever Peterson or Ingram are, for example, or Marsh in on passing downs).

    Guessing inactives:
    WR Slater
    WR Amendola
    TE Jacob Hollister was inactive last week but they may want a third TE active if they're running a lot of 12. Maybe another LB (Langi, Harris, Roberts)?
    OT Fleming or Waddle
    DT Valentine
    LB Hightower
    ST Ebner or Bolden? Maybe Richards?

    Guessing they cut Croston to make room for Cody Hollister. Bolden is another option, since they've already shadow-rostered him once.

    What do you guys think?
     
  25. tims4wins

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    Fleming hasn't practiced, so I think Waddle will be active. Ditto Ebner.

    Slater
    Amendola
    Hollister
    Fleming
    Valentine
    Hightower
    Ebner
     
  26. RedOctober3829

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    Slater, High, Amendola, and Valentine are all officially ruled out.



    My inactive list would be those 4 plus Hollister, Croston, and Bademosi. I think Ebner is back this week as he's been practicing.

    Injury report

     
  27. Erik Hanson's Hook

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    Is anyone, like, a little bit nervous about this one? Do you think we could get blown out?

    I know New Orleans is no great shakes and is missing their two starting starting tackles (thank god), but that stadium is always a tough place to play and we haven't proven anything yet with our current roster. I worry about the front 7.

    I know. Nancy. But I can't help but feel 2009 vibes from this one. Brees will come to play, and they don't plan on being 0-2 either.
     
    #27 Erik Hanson's Hook, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:42 PM
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  28. H78

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    Yes and yes.

    Hightower and Dola both being out is huge. I'm already having nightmares of Marsh getting burned all over the field and Brees throwing for 400 yards and 4 TDs, while Brady sputters to move the chains and tries to force bombs to Cooks and Dorsett.

    I'd be happy to be wrong but this one doesn't feel right in the ole gut.
     
  29. H78

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    Still can't believe they cut Carr.
     
  30. BigSoxFan

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    Getting blown out would entail the offense not showing up. I'd be pretty surprised if they hold us to less than the 27 we scored last week against a much better defense with several short yardage failures. I expect a 34-31 style shootout and just hope we have enough to close it out.

    On the defensive side of the ball, I am concerned with Ingram and Kamara out of the backfield but hopefully a week of practice has fixed some things. Would love for them to run AP's carcass as much as they want.
     
  31. Captaincoop

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    Pats are missing their best special teams player and best defender, on the road against a desperate team with a great QB.

    Pats with BB have won in spots like this before, but sure, everyone should be concerned.
     
  32. BigSoxFan

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    I think giving 7 points on the road is quite generous. I certainly wouldn't take that bet. There really isn't a result tomorrow that would surprise me. I'm confident they'll play much better but so should New Orleans. Will be interesting.
     
  33. Pandemonium67

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    No kidding, I could see the Pats win a blowout, lose a blowout, or either team squeak by. The outcome I can't foresee is a really low-scoring affair.
     
  34. brandonchristensen

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    I foresee a lot of first down 25 yard miss to Cooks, followed by a 2 yard run to Gillislee.
     
  35. Stitch01

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    Getting blown out would be pretty unexpected. The Saints arent very good. If the offense can't move the ball this week they probably kind of suck. We don't really have a lot of reason to think that the offense sucks.

    Yeah I know, some WR injuries, still plenty of talent out there and there's like 10,000 posts on here about Brady the undisputed GOAT. There's more than enough talent here to shred the Saints putrid defense.
     
  36. tims4wins

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    I think the Pats cruise tomorrow. Worst case I think they win ugly. This is when they respond
     
  37. Jeff Van GULLY

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    Going to the game. May be the last time I see Brady in person.

    I think the offense takes awhile to figure it out. Some drives will stall out that usually they convert but it's hard for me to see the Pats lose with 10 days off and the Saints coming off short rest.
     
  38. soxhop411

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    Wayyyyy too many injuries
     
  39. Stitch01

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    Cannon a true game time decision per rotoworld

    Meh not directly sourced so maybe they're editorializing but they think Cannon has a shot to not play
     
  40. Don Buddin's GS

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    CBS Sunday Morning just promoed an upcoming feature profile on TB 12. Might be worth hitting record on the old DVR. One of the questions they asked was "any chance this is your last year?" Brady said no way.
     
  41. Ed Hillel

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    #41 Ed Hillel, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:14 AM
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  42. mwonow

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    Does anyone else hear Andrews name and picture an office that is kind of like a cave, complete with the spooky Grim Reaper decorations?
     
  43. DaveRoberts'Shoes

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    I'm absolutely convinced that only three things matter in the NFL - QB, head coach, and injuries. Everything else is manageable/fungible, but those three make or break you.
     
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  46. Ed Hillel

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    It's my fault, I forgot the link. Added it just now.
     
  47. soxhop411

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    This inactive list is going to pisser me off
     
  48. Pxer

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    Nick Underhill, who is on the NO beat, said Ramzcyk is likely to flip over to RT with Peat kicking over to LT, as he's a tackle but can't figure out the right side.

    Not sure who's playing LG, but the Pats need to exploit this crappy OL. We'll see how bad the Pats pass rush actually is if they can't pressure Brees.
     
  49. DaveRoberts'Shoes

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    This doesn't worry me anywhere near as much as a pitcher going to see Andrews would - Hightower probably knows Andrews from his time at Alabama, hopefully nothing to see here
     
  50. Van Everyman

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    So you're saying I shouldn't be worried that Hightower is going to get Tommy John on his knee?
     

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