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Week 13 vs. Minnesota

Discussion in '2018 Patriots Game Threads' started by RedOctober3829, Nov 28, 2018.

  1. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

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    I'm excited for this game. Minnesota brings the 6th ranked defense by DVOA into Foxboro to go against the 7th ranked offense. This should be a true test of how good the Patriots can run the ball when fully healthy because Minnesota's rush defense is 4th in the league in rush yards allowed per game. I think they can be thrown on though. Xavier Rhodes injured his hamstring on Sunday night and his status is in doubt while Trae Waynes just isn't that good on the other side. If Rhodes is out, that would figure to have Mackenzie Alexander start in his place. Up front, they are very good with a front four of Hunter-Richardson-Joseph-Griffen figuring to give the OL fits against the pass. Hunter is 2nd in the league in sacks with 11.5. Harrison Smith is one of the best safeties in the league and I wonder if they will use him and Anthony Barr on Gronk. One of the Patriots' deficiencies on offense this year has been 3rd/4th and short conversions and that won't get much better this week. Minnesota has stopped opponents 45% of the time in 3rd/4th and 2 or shorter situations.

    Brady is probably going to be under pressure most of the day. Their defense is ranked 2nd in the NFL in passer rating against while blitzing at 68.9 while pressuring the QB 30.4% of the time(7th highest percentage in NFL). The Patriots should also pass more on 1st down against this defense as the Vikings are allowing less than 4 yards per carry on 1st down which is top 10 in the league.

    Offensively for the Vikings, the tandem of Adam Theilen and Stefon Diggs is going to be very difficult to deal with. I would think Gilmore would get one of them and they will bracket the other when they are in man coverage. Kyle Rudolph and Dalvin Cook are difficult matchups for the Pats D that John DeFillipo will likely see what other teams have done and scheme ways to get them singled up on LBs and safeties. Latavius Murray had some good games in Cook's absence highlighted by a 155 yard effort against Arizona. Kirk Cousins is having a good year and is coming off a great performance against the Packers where he went 28-for-39 for 342 yards and 3 TDs/0 INTs. He's also been very good while blitzed which is what the Patriots have been doing a lot of this year. The Pats' blitz percentage is 8th highest in the league while Cousins' passer rating is 6th best in the league against the blitz at 83.0.

    Weather looks iffy but warm. Highs in the 50's but rain is in the forecast.
     
  2. pokey_reese

    pokey_reese Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    After a few quiet weeks, I would be surprised if White doesn't see a lot more of the ball this game, given how much Brady relied on him for quick reads against pressure early in the season.
     
  3. Mugsy's Jock

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  5. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

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    D. Allen—DNP
    Brady, Ebner—LP
    Edelman—FP
    Gronk is off the list.

    Notable Vikings
    Diggs, Rhodes—DNP
    Thielen—LP
     
    #5 RedOctober3829, Nov 28, 2018
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  6. Saints Rest

    Saints Rest Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Can we all agree to use first initials for the Allens? I read that and freaked out we might have no regular punter or holder.
     
  7. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

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    Noted. Figured DA was known since he’s going to be out a while.
     
  8. Saints Rest

    Saints Rest Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Yeah, it became obvious, but for that initial moment . . .
     
  9. RedOctober3829

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    Xavier Rhodes and Stefon Diggs were both DNP's again today. Vikings reporters say that Ameer Abdullah was working out of the slot today.
     
  10. pokey_reese

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    Makes the defense's job a hell of a lot easier if Diggs is out, because you can probably put Gilmore on Theilen and provide a little help if need be, since you don't need to bracket Diggs.
     
  11. normstalls

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    According to PFT - Diggs says he is playing Sunday.

    edit: Also, D Allen back - perfect attendance for practice today for Pats
     
  12. tims4wins

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    BUT

    - PFT

    Also, apparently Zimmer said the Rhodes hamstring injury is "very, very mild". So it is possible both or neither play on Sunday it seems.
     
  13. E5 Yaz

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  15. Super Nomario

    Super Nomario Member SoSH Member

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    The bigger news there to me is Diggs and Rhodes DNP again. Wednesday DNP doesn't mean a lot for many teams, but Thursday DNP might mean they actually won't play (or will be limited if they do).
     
  16. joe dokes

    joe dokes Member SoSH Member

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    Without Brady, Patriots are a 500 team. That's some hard hittin' insight.
     
  17. DrewDawg

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    What are Saints without Brees? Steelers without Big Ben? And on and on.
     
  18. tims4wins

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    Or the Packers without... nevermind
     
  19. tims4wins

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  21. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

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    Per Schefter, Diggs is expected to play while Rhodes is going to work out pregame to try to give it a go.
     
  22. RedOctober3829

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    Now Schefter says Diggs’ knee swelled up overnight and will need to test it pregame. Seemed like he was supposed to play, but now it’s in serious doubt.
     
  23. Ed Hillel

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    Update: Diggs knee swelled up last night and is back to pregame test like Rhodes:
     
  24. Mystic Merlin

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    Hard to see Rhodes being effective after how bad that hammy pull looked last week.
     
  25. Saints Rest

    Saints Rest Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Seems like a wet field would not be conducive to an injured leg, be that knee or hammy.
     
  26. Sam Ray Not

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    Instead of fretting about whether this is the Pats' "last stand" (unknowable), have the talking heads noted that a win today would clinch their 18th straight winning season?

    8-3
    13-3*
    14-2**
    12-4
    12-4**
    12-4
    12-4
    13-3*
    14-2
    10-6
    11-5
    16-0*
    12-4
    10-6
    14-2**
    14-2**
    9-7
    11-5**

    *won AFC Championship; **won Superbowl

    50-somethings on this site were in their 30s the last time the Pats finished a season .500 or below, and 20-somethings were toddlers.

    Given the inherent injury risks of football and NFL's aggressive efforts to spread the wealth, I'd nominate the 2001-2018 run for most impressive achievement in the history of US team sports. (Spurs 1997-98 to last year is right up there, too, but that appears to have come to an end this year).
     
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  27. soxhop411

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  28. shawnrbu

    shawnrbu Member SoSH Member

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    Danny Shelton a healthy scratch. What a bust.
     
  29. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

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    Go at Rhodes and see how healthy he really is
     
  30. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

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    Scheme-based decision. Minnesota figures to be throwing a lot and Shelton is a run stopper.
     
  31. CreedBratton

    CreedBratton Member SoSH Member

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    Let’s gooooooo
     
  32. RedOctober3829

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    Very interested to see what the backfield with all 3 guys available will look like. A lot of 2 back sets with Burkhead/White?
     
  33. Kenny F'ing Powers

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    I expect a limited role for Burkhead today. Reiss guesses 1 out of every 3 series.
     
  34. PayrodsFirstClutchHit

    PayrodsFirstClutchHit Member SoSH Member

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    Thanks to the Bears/Giants, we should see this game sometime in the 2nd quarter.
     
  35. koufax32

    koufax32 He'll cry if he wants to... SoSH Member

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    Just in case you needed another reason to hate NY.
     
  36. BernieRicoBoomer

    BernieRicoBoomer Member SoSH Member

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    Giants can fuck right off.
     
  37. patinorange

    patinorange Member SoSH Member

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    Yup. No Pats here in So Cal.
     
  38. PedroKsBambino

    PedroKsBambino Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Don't they have to switch local market over---though I realize some folks are out of market
     
  39. Mystic Merlin

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    The Giants are a joke.
     
  40. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

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    Reddit NFL streams for those out of market.
     
  41. shawnrbu

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    Pats win toss. Defer.
     
  42. Moviegoer

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    Some of them are sticking with the Giants game, probably because of where they're being pirated from. The topstreamer one switched over.
     
  43. shawnrbu

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    Lots of Vikings fans.
     
  44. shawnrbu

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    Late from Roberts.
     
  45. Obscure Name

    Obscure Name Member SoSH Member

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    Lucky that wasn't 15.
     
  46. Al Zarilla

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    Save it Roberts, huh?
     
  47. MuppetAsteriskTalk

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    Glad Roberts didn't get called for that.
     
  48. Al Zarilla

    Al Zarilla Member SoSH Member

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    Quarterback league
     
  49. staz

    staz Intangible Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Giants game in OT and Sunday Ticket not working
     
  50. PedroKsBambino

    PedroKsBambino Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Wow...ton of pre-snap movement from Pats D there. Like early-years vs Manning level
     

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