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Week 13 - @Miami

Discussion in '2017 Patriots Game Threads' started by Ralphwiggum, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:53 AM.

  1. Ralphwiggum

    Ralphwiggum Member SoSH Member

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    First hat and tee-shirt game of the year. Actually, the Pats can clinch the division before they even take the field on Monday night if the Colts beat the Bills on Sunday. But the Colts are horrendous and I expect Buffalo to win that game to keep their fleeting playoff chances alive. So, in all likelihood, the Pats will travel to Miami on Monday with a chance at clinching a 9th straight division title. This would also be their 15th overall AFC East title for them in the BB/TB era.

    But first things first, gotta beat the Dolphins in Miami, no easy task for the Pats historically, even during their current stretch of dominance. The Pats with Brady at QB are only 7-8 in Miami, although they won in Miami last year to break a string of three straight losses in South Florida. Miami comes into the game off of a drubbing of the pathetic Broncos, still technically alive for a playoff spot at 5-7, but will probably have to win out and get help to get in. But they are still alive, and this is a divisional road game (which I hate) against a team they just played two weeks ago. The Pats are clearly the better team, but these are the types of games where funky things can happen.

    But as noted, by any measure the Pats are clearly the better team, and appear to be picking up steam as we head into December. In Buffalo last week the Pats continued their stretch of dominating teams that goes back to their bye week, with a 23-3 pasting of the Bills in Buffalo. But the game was not pretty at times, particularly on offense, and of course things got chippy at the end and as a result they will probably be without Gronk on Monday against a team that really struggles against tight ends. The defense continues to play well, though, and with Jay Cutler doing Jay Cutler things next Monday, they will be looking to extend their streak of holding teams to 17 points or fewer to 9 games, most ever under Bill Belichick.

    2nd week in a row on the road in the division, middle game of the 3 game road gauntlet that will determine whether or not the AFC playoffs will go through Foxboro once again. Get in, get the win, hats and tee shirts, get out, avoid injuries, and for the 2nd time in three weeks, fuck Don Shula.

    The "Celebrating What Is" factoids of the week:

    1. Missed this one a few weeks ago, but with the road win over the Raiders in Mexico City, Tom Brady won his 86th career road game (87 now obviously), breaking a tie with Peyton Manning for the most all time. Another week, another record for the GOAT.

    2. Last week the Pats won their 10th game of the season, extending their current streak to 15 straight years with at least 10 wins, one short of the 49ers all time record from the 80s - 90. In their entire existence (1960 - 2002, 43 football seasons) before the 15 year streak started the Pats only won 10 or more games 10 times. One of those times was 2001, so overall the count is 9 seasons of 10 or more wins pre-Belichick, 16 years of 10 or more wins in 17 seasons with Belichick as head coach.
     
  2. Bowhemian

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    I'm just glad the @Miami game was not in September. The late summer heat seems to take a toll on the Pats down there. Now that I said that, it will probably be 80* at kickoff on Monday.
     
  3. tims4wins

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    Interesting Brady is 5-3 in Miami in non-December, but 2-5 in December
     
  4. Bunt4aTriple

    Bunt4aTriple Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    I think at least some of that can be attributed to inconsequential games once the bye has been secured and starters are limited.
     
  5. Bowhemian

    Bowhemian Member SoSH Member

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    Stats, schmats. :)
     
  6. Ralphwiggum

    Ralphwiggum Member SoSH Member

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    Surprisingly this is not the case. The December losses in Miami came in 2004, 2006, 2009, 2013 and 2015.

    2004: Eventual champs got upset by a very bad Dolphin team, one of the more inexplicable upsets in the BB/TB era. Pats very much needed the game to keep pace with Steelers for HFA in the AFC (ended up not mattering because the Steelers finished 15-1 and beat the Pats head-to-head).

    2006: Pats were 9-3 coming into the game and got shutout 21-0 to the Joey Harrington led Dolphins. Loss pretty much ended their hopes for a first round bye.

    2009: Pats were 7-4 coming in, Dolphins 5-6. Dolphins beat the Pats 22-21 on a FG with one minute left to pull to within a game of the division lead.

    2013: Pats were 1 game behind the Broncos for HFA in the AFC, Brady intercepted in the end zone at the end of the game, Pats lose 24 - 20.

    2015: This is one of the games (the Jet game the other) that BB seemingly punted down the stretch with a depleted O-line and lots of injuries.
     
  7. Over Guapo Grande

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    I was at the 2015 game (the Fred Taylor game). They lost. I will not be at this game- ergo, I expect good things.
     
  8. Ralphwiggum

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    By the way, this forum would melt down if the Pats lost an important December game in the manner in which they lost the 2006 game, or the 2004 game for that matter. I don't know if we did Pats game threads back then, it would be funny to go back and look at that if we did.
     
  9. Curt S Loew

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    I was at that game. Didn't see Fred Taylor*. Although it was the 2nd worst Patriot game I have attended. That game was brutal.

    *Steven Jackson - And he actually scored.
     
  10. BigSoxFan

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    I specifically remember watching that 2004 game and being incensed. Blew 11 point lead with 4 mins to go and Brady had 4 INTs. Just a total shitshow.
     
  11. snowmanny

    snowmanny Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    If I've wasted my time on Pro Football Ref properly and didn't screw this up, under Belichick the Patriots are 16-1 in the 13th game of the season.

    The only loss being the discussed above 21-0 defeat in Miami in 2006.
     
  12. 54thMA

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    That game was infuriating, the powerhouse 2004 4-12 Dolphins beat the Patriots and they acted like the won the Super Bowl, it's no wonder I hate that franchise with a passion. The Patriots got the last laugh as that loss meant shit regarding the playoff seeding and they went on to win the actual Super Bowl.
     
  13. Over Guapo Grande

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    That’s how much I have blocked it out of my mind . Nice catch, thanks. (All those washed up running backs look alike to me).
     
    #13 Over Guapo Grande, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:31 PM
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  14. mikeot

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    No Gronk. So he’ll be rested and ready for Pittsburgh.
     
  15. j-man

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    for the only time in my life i hope u win monday night and if u are up by more than 14 in the 4th kick a onside
     
  16. RedOctober3829

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    Watching Patriots practice on Periscope. I see Chris Hogan is practicing. Per Jeff Howe no Brady, Butler, Van Noy, Wise, Cannon.
     
  17. Ralphwiggum

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    Adam or Malcolm Butler?
     
  18. Curt S Loew

    Curt S Loew SoSH Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Tom Brady, Malcolm Butler, Deatrich Wise, Kyle Van Noy, Marcus Cannon absent. Chris Hogan returns to practice after Week 8 injury.
     
  19. RedOctober3829

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    Sorry, Malcolm.
     
  20. koufax32

    koufax32 He'll cry if he wants to... SoSH Member

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    Should be around 64-65 degrees at kickoff. MNF there always concerns me but at least no weather related issues at this point.
     
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  23. RedOctober3829

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    My guess is that Cannon, Van Noy, and Gillislee will not travel and be out. Also that Hogan will return.
     
  24. Bowhemian

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    I think you are right with Cannon, Van Noy, and Hogan. But with Dion Lewis dealing with something, that might be Gillislee's spot.
     
  25. Boston Brawler

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    Van Noy and Cannon are the only two ruled out.
     
  26. koufax32

    koufax32 He'll cry if he wants to... SoSH Member

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    I’ve just been assuming Cannon would be back and good to go by the PIT game. The worry watch is officially on.
     
  27. RedOctober3829

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    Lewis is sick but will play.
     
  28. RedOctober3829

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    Jeff Howe says Hogan is traveling so he should be good to go. Big to have him back for this game.
     
  29. ifmanis5

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  31. Ralphwiggum

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    Referees steal the game in Buffalo away from the Colts in a manner in which I don't think I've ever seen before. As a result, tomorrow is officially a hat and tee shirt game.
     
  32. BernieRicoBoomer

    BernieRicoBoomer Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    I missed the end of that, what happened?
     
  33. Byrdbrain

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    Colts scored a touchdown with a few minutes left in the game and went for two. Colts got it on an option pass that included a perfectly legal rub route at the line of scrimmage. Play was originally called good but the refs got together and ended up calling it OPI. Vinatieri then made the epic 1 point PAT from 45 in awful conditions to tie.
    Bills then go on to win it in OT.
     
  34. HurstSoGood

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    Win tonight. Win without injuries.
     
  35. Saints Rest

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    I was reading BSJ this morning about last night's game and the statement was made that by Pitt winning, it now pretty much guarantees that the winner of next week's game will get home field. Now leaving aside the last 2 weeks of the season, didn't/doesn't the results of last night's/tonight's games have no impact on the seeding? If Pitt had lost last week and won next week, the Steelers would still have inside track to HFA, right? And same for tonight's game; if NE loses tonight and wins next week, the Pats would have inside track to HFA, right?
     
  36. SirPsychoSquints

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    In order for the losing team to get HFA, the winning team needs to lose 2 additional games while the losing team wins out. Thus, if PIT wins next week, they would need to lose to both Houston & Cleveland for the Patriots to have a chance at HFA. The Ravens were the best opportunity for one of those losses to occur.
     
  37. Saints Rest

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    Fair enough, but the point of the article on BSJ, and my point, was that assuming that both Pitt and NE will be favorites in Weeks 16 and 17, then this week's games have no impact on HFA.
    Or, put more broadly, since, as you note, the loser of NE/Pitt in Week 15 needs the winner to lose twice, then last night's game is only meaningful in the context of the other two weeks (16 & 17) and thus has no weight in and by itself.
     
  38. Blue Monkey

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    I’ll be in the house tonight. Squish the fish
     
  39. Investor 11

    Investor 11 Plobbably the greatest videographer ever Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    I will also be in the house tonight. Please win, so that I’m not regretting this decision on my 530am flight back out west.
     
  40. sodenj5

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    Miami is wearing their throwback unis tonight, so if nothing big else, the game will be aesthetically pleasing.
     
  41. loshjott

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    Low humidity, about 50%.
     
  42. jsinger121

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    Yup knew I saw them paint the endzones the diamonds they were wearing those throwbacks. Will they just scrap that shitty logo they have now and go back to the ones they are wearing tonight.
     
  43. sodenj5

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    I think most fans want that, but there are certain restrictions because Miami changed their unis somewhat recently. There’s a certain timeframe before you can apply to change, and then there’s a two year waiting period.

    I think the change will eventually happen, but it will be a few years. For now, they break these babies out twice a year and everyone wins.
     
  44. DennyDoyle'sBoil

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    It doesn't matter much as to the seeding between the Patriots and the Steelers but you have to remember the Jags are still out there. In any circumstance in which the Jags win out, they would hold the tie breaker over either Pittsburgh or New England for the second bye. That is why last night's game was very significant for Pittsburgh and why tonight's game is very significant for the Patriots. The big issue is not whether the loser of the Pitt/NE game can still get the number 1 seed but the key issue is whether the loser of the Pitt/NE game will still get a bye. By taking care of business last night, the Steelers made it so that they can still get the bye over Jacksonville with wins in their last two games even if they lose to New England. New England, likewise, very much needs a win tonight so that it can stay ahead of Jacksonville even if it loses next week at Pittsburgh.

    Put simply, with Jacksonville beating Seattle yesterday, there is only one hard game left on their schedule, and so Pittsburgh coming back against the Ravens was huge for them. It gives them a margin of error now viz. Jacksonville, even though Jacksonville holds the tiebreaker. New England needs to win tonight for the same reason, or else the Pittsburgh game will be a must-win for New England to keep its own destiny for the bye in its control.
     
  45. jsinger121

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  46. 5dice

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    I hope the unnecessary violence tonight is kept to a minimum, but I have a bad feeling given the last game between these teams including the McCain ejection and the recent on and off field ugliness wave across the whole NFL (Gronk incident included along with Steelers/Benglals, Seattle/Jacksonville). I would hope after that Gronk suspension that the coaching staff has these players not responding to provocation by the other team, but it is hard. Miami is second in the league with 9 unnecessary roughness penalties (Pats dead last with 2) and has nothing to play for. Bad recipe. Hope I am wrong.
     
  47. dcmissle

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    I think it helps that this is a nationally televised game. Even with Suh Teflon fully operative, my suspicion is that teams will be on a relatively short leash given recent events. At least I hope so.
     
  48. DennyDoyle'sBoil

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    They seemed to be calling everything close last night. There seemed like at least 4 15 yard penalties. I don't know if that's just a Pittsburgh/Baltimore thing or if maybe there has been some word that has gone around.
     
  49. Mystic Merlin

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    Don't see a lot of nonsense occurring tonight. Too much of a risk that you'll lose hundreds of thousands to millions (if you have incentives) given the increased scrutiny on borderlune to outright dirty hits/extracirriculars.

    Suh is always a wild card, of course.
     
  50. dcmissle

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    Standard response to “AFC North Way” madness, tightened a bit.

    “Respect” notwithstanding, they didn’t want any deaths to mar the holiday season.
     

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