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Has a HOF QB ever had a worse year record wise than what Eli is going through this year? Like what is the worse single season W-L record for a HOF QB?
Aikman 0-11 in 1989, Warren Moon 3-13 in 1984, Brian Griese 2-6-1 in 1969, 3-7 (Pro Bowl season despite 61.6 QB Rating!) in 1967? Of course, all of these, excepting Griese's 1969, were rookie seasons.
 

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Dr. Chris Nowinski‏Verified account @ChrisNowinski1 4h4 hours ago

#NFL #concussion protocol is a fraud. QB Jacoby Brissett goes back in after showing the clearest concussions signs of the season. Helmet-to-helmet hit, holds head, then goes limp, then needs help up. You don't need a protocol to hold this player out for the game. Check the tape:
 

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Combined with Wilson’s escapades and Freeman playing today while apparently concussed beforehand, not a great week for the NFL concussion protocol
 

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Dr. Chris Nowinski‏Verified account @ChrisNowinski1 4h4 hours ago

#NFL #concussion protocol is a fraud. QB Jacoby Brissett goes back in after showing the clearest concussions signs of the season. Helmet-to-helmet hit, holds head, then goes limp, then needs help up. You don't need a protocol to hold this player out for the game. Check the tape:
I'm sure Kravitz will be all over this scandal
 

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Has a HOF QB ever had a worse year record wise than what Eli is going through this year? Like what is the worse single season W-L record for a HOF QB?
Aikman 0-11 in 1989, Warren Moon 3-13 in 1984, Brian Griese 2-6-1 in 1969, 3-7 (Pro Bowl season despite 61.6 QB Rating!) in 1967? Of course, all of these, excepting Griese's 1969, were rookie seasons.
That was Bob Griese. Brian was his less talented son. I am old.
 

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So yesterday there were multiple fumbles on or near the goal line that resulted in touchbacks. Didn't see much / any national outcry about how terrible the rule is. Funny how that works when the Pats aren't involved.
 

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So yesterday there were multiple fumbles on or near the goal line that resulted in touchbacks. Didn't see much / any national outcry about how terrible the rule is. Funny how that works when the Pats aren't involved.
Maybe because they were clearly touchbacks? But sure, you keep doing you. I'm surprised you didn't work in a DFG reference.
 

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So yesterday there were multiple fumbles on or near the goal line that resulted in touchbacks. Didn't see much / any national outcry about how terrible the rule is. Funny how that works when the Pats aren't involved.
There was barely a national outcry when it happened to the Jets. You're just focused on the Pats, so you probably noticed it more.
 

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Maybe because they were clearly touchbacks? But sure, you keep doing you. I'm surprised you didn't work in a DFG reference.
The point wasn't whether the call was correct or incorrect. The point was that when it benefited the Pats, it seemed like there were a lot of calls that a rule change was needed so that it wouldn't be a touchback - so that the offense would retain possession at the spot of the fumble or something of that nature, like in the regular field of play.

There was barely a national outcry when it happened to the Jets. You're just focused on the Pats, so you probably noticed it more.
This could be true. I don't live in NE though, and I do check out a lot of non-Pats sites, seemed like people wanted a rule change.
 

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Dr. Chris Nowinski‏Verified account @ChrisNowinski1 4h4 hours ago

#NFL #concussion protocol is a fraud. QB Jacoby Brissett goes back in after showing the clearest concussions signs of the season. Helmet-to-helmet hit, holds head, then goes limp, then needs help up. You don't need a protocol to hold this player out for the game. Check the tape:
91 must be under the tutelage of 92. Dirty hit, kind of late too.
 

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The point wasn't whether the call was correct or incorrect. The point was that when it benefited the Pats, it seemed like there were a lot of calls that a rule change was needed so that it wouldn't be a touchback - so that the offense would retain possession at the spot of the fumble or something of that nature, like in the regular field of play.
If you don't think the same articles would've been written had that happened against any of the other 31 teams, I can't help you. They were written because it was a very dubious overturn, not because it benefited the Pats. The Pats are in a the middle of a once-in-many-lifetimes run. It's a shame you still have to resort to a persecution complex at every opportunity.
 

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They weren’t persecuted. It is just an interesting contrast that when it benefited GB and the Bengals no one called for a rule change.

Edit and in case you’re worried I love every second of this run. The Pats have become more hated than the late 90s MFY and it is glorious
 

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They weren’t persecuted. It is just an interesting contrast that when it benefited GB and the Bengals no one called for a rule change.
Because they were clearly touchbacks when they benefited Green Bay and Cincinnati. People talked a lot about the ASJ play because there really wasn't a ton of evidence to overturn it and they would've talked about it had it happened against any other team, despite what your warped mind thinks.
 

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Because they were clearly touchbacks when they benefited Green Bay and Cincinnati. People talked a lot about the ASJ play because there really wasn't a ton of evidence to overturn it and they would've talked about it had it happened against any other team, despite what your warped mind thinks.
You are focusing on the call, I was making a comment about the rule itself.
 

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You are focusing on the call, I was making a comment about the rule itself.
People have been saying the rule is stupid for years. Everyone talked about the ASJ play because it failed the "what do 50 people in a bar think?" test miserably while also reversing the call on the field, not because it was against the Patriots.
 

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People have been saying the rule is stupid for years. Everyone talked about the ASJ play because it failed the "what do 50 people in a bar think?" test miserably while also reversing the call on the field, not because it was against the Patriots.
Fair enough, I see what you are saying.
 

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Because they were clearly touchbacks when they benefited Green Bay and Cincinnati. People talked a lot about the ASJ play because there really wasn't a ton of evidence to overturn it and they would've talked about it had it happened against any other team, despite what your warped mind thinks.
There was clear evidence that ASJ lost control of the ball.
 

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Also for the record, profootballtalk did complain about the touch back rule today.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/13/the-saints-arent-just-winning-theyre-dominating-and-other-week-10-thoughts/

The NFL needs to change the fumble/touchback rule. A fumble into the end zone that goes out of bounds should go back to the offense at the spot of the fumble. The fact that it goes to the defense at the 20-yard line is totally nonsensical. When offensive players dive for the end zone and stick the football out toward the goal line, it’s an exciting play. The NFL should want to reward players for taking a chance at an exciting play, not punish them if they drop the ball an inch short of the line and it rolls into the pylon.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/13/the-saints-arent-just-winning-theyre-dominating-and-other-week-10-thoughts/
 

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Yeah, it's only "taking a chance" because of the risk of punishment.

And I may be in the minority here, but I've never liked the holding out the football thing, especially on goal line plays, more so than pylon stretches at the end of a run. I understand it's inevitable and certainly within the rules because of the "breaking the plane" rule, but it's just never felt right to me. It seems like (with the goal line pile plays) it's a fairly new development, too. According to my highly unreliable memory, in my youth, it seems like there was a higher incidence of RBs trying to leap over the pile than now, but they didn't hold the ball out.

Anyway, if they're going to do it, the more risk the better, IMO.
 
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0 posts in the first quarter. Can't imagine the NFL/ESPN are gonna love the ratings from this one.
 

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Didn't see it, but reading those last 47 seconds of the first half, it is really hard to see Miami challenging in the AFC East. Interception, unsportsmanlike conduct, defensive offsides on the Carolina TD play. Oh, and holding on the kickoff return as well. All that in 6 plays.
 

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It's just too bad the game isn't in Miami.

A NYG- Miami game would be something. Resistable forces against movable objects.
 

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How long before Suh commits an on field felony?
Greg Jennings did a spot on Fox Sports Radio today and basically said that the Miami locker room was the worst he'd ever been in ... in terms of players predominantly being out for themselves. He cited Suh as one of the biggest issues in that regard.

Not that this would be a surprise
 

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Come on now.
He's got a higher career passer rating, completion percentage, interception rate, and yards per carry rushing. And he's generally been better every year except Cam's outlier season. I don't think it's a crazy opinion.
 

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Gase gonna survive if the Dolphins get rinsed by the Pats twice next month?

Dolphins are basically the Browns with some close game luck. Likely gonna be dead last by DVOA after this pasting and currently -94 in point differential vs Browns -97.