Watching the Jones: Dazed & Confused

[Hector Salamanca]

"Foxborough police just released details involving incident with Chandler Jones. Confirmed that Jones arrived "shirtless" to police station."

""Without warning or provocation" Chandler Jones got down on his knees and placed hands behind head - Foxborough Police Dept"

"Officer notes that Jones looked like he was "actively worshiping or praying" in front of police station, shirtless, per docs released by PD"

"Again, Foxborough PD notes it was a medical emergency, not a crime. Though they smelled burnt weed at his house."

"Of note: Documents released say Jones kept repeating that he had "been told" to come to police station. By who? No one knows."

"Police said Jones was not armed, and had no drugs in his possession. Foxboro PD note he was cooperative, polite, although nervous/anxious"

All came from https://twitter.com/AsteadWH

 

[Erik Hanson's Hook]

If it was Adderall and synthetic marijuana, Jones is lucky to be ok. It's a dangerous combination.

I tried synthetic marijuana once in 2011, after having smoked regular weed every day for 10 years, never having a serious health scare or bad reaction. I had a really strong tolerance. At the time, I was also on my Adderall prescription.

Scary experience. Adderall speeds up your heart rate anyway, and after two hits of that synthetic garbage, I was a wreck. Cold sweats, hard beating out of my chest, paranoia...after trying lay to down for 30 minutes hoping it would pass, I went to the hospital.

Even without Adderall, that shit is sketchy. The sensation was totally different from the thousands of times I'd gotten high on regular weed. I still smoke, but will never touch synthetic again.

 

[genoasalami]

Not a great look. Interesting to see how BB handles it Saturday. Does he see the field? Inactive?

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

If it was Adderall and synthetic marijuana, Jones is extremely lucky to be ok. It's dangerous combination.

I tried synthetic marijuana once in 2011, after having smoked regular weed every day for 10 years, never having a serious health scare or bad reaction. I had a really strong tolerance. At the time, I was also on my Adderall prescription.

Scary experience. Adderall speeds up your heart rate anyway, and after two hits of that synthetic garbage, I was a wreck. Cold sweats, hard beating out of my chest, paranoia...after trying lay to down for 30 minutes hoping it would pass, I went to the hospital.

Even without Adderall, that shit is sketchy. I still smoke, but will never touch synthetic again.

Sounds like a text book panic attack. I had the same experience the very last time I did blow back in my youth. That it was the last time I did it is no coincidence. Very scary thing to go through. After they did a blood test and echo to make sure my heart was fine they gave me some IV Ativan which is a damn near religious experience lol

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

Not a great look. Interesting to see how BB handles it Saturday. Does he see the field? Inactive?

Missed zero practice time, wasn't arrested. I would think he starts.

Re: getting down on his knees and hands behind his head without even being ordered to do so, good to know he keeps up with current events.

 

[Dug Cavemanwich]

Regardless of what happens with Jones's playing time Saturday, what are the implications for the rest of the playoffs, assuming the Pats prevail?

If he's subjected to a test this week based on suspicious activity, and fails, can he be suspended for an upcoming playoff game? Or would the appeals process (assuming he'd appeal) allow him to play while the appeal is being processed?

 

[TomTerrific]

Missed zero practice time, wasn't arrested. I would think he starts.

Re: getting down on his knees and hands behind his head without even being ordered to do so, good to know he keeps up with current events.

+1

 

[NortheasternPJ]

Regardless of what happens with Jones's playing time Saturday, what are the implications for the rest of the playoffs, assuming the Pats prevail?

If he's subjected to a test this week based on suspicious activity, and fails, can he be suspended for an upcoming playoff game? Or would the appeals process (assuming he'd appeal) allow him to play while the appeal is being processed?

They don't test for recreational drugs during the season do they?

 

[DJnVa]

If he's subjected to a test this week based on suspicious activity,

Again---the collective bargaining agreement states that there is ONE test a year for recreational drugs, during a very specific timeframe. They cannot test him for marijuana now without putting him in system first.

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

I'm definitely digging the level of trust the Pats players have with the Foxboro PD in the post Aaron Hernandez era. "I'm stoned out of my gord and there is some crazy shit I don't understand happening, so I'm gonna roll over the police department and see what they think."

 

[JohnnyTheBone]

The officer on duty was overhead asking, "You know something is happening but you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones?"

 

[Erik Hanson's Hook]

Sounds like a text book panic attack. I had the same experience the very last time I did blow back in my youth. That it was the last time I did it is no coincidence. Very scary thing to go through. After they did a blood test and echo to make sure my heart was fine they gave me some IV Ativan which is a damn near religious experience lol

Could have been a panic attack, but I'd been high literally thousands of times before that, and this was different. You could tell that this was a substance trying to chemically imitate another substance. It was sketchy.

And LOL at the Ativan line. I may have to look into that.

I love how this thread has partially evolved into accounts of personal drug use. Anyone got any good bath salt stories?

 

[dcmissle]

Not a great look. Interesting to see how BB handles it Saturday. Does he see the field? Inactive?

I think he plays, then I think he is gone when the season ends.

The Foxboro police could hold a press conference, and some would be holding out for something more definitive. "Benefit of the doubt ..."

No, he fucked up by getting fucked during a playoff week. Thankfully, he was very sensible about seeking help for it.

 

[soxhop411]

I think he plays, then I think he is gone when the season ends.

The Foxboro police could hold a press conference, and some would be holding out for something more definitive. "Benefit of the doubt ..."

No, he fucked up by getting fucked during a playoff week. Thankfully, he was very sensible about seeking help for it.

they picked up his option for next season though. So it would have to be a trade or they cut him.

 

[amarshal2]

To me it's strike one in a situation where you get two strikes. He messed up. He didn't hurt anybody and as far as we know he's always been a professional when he's at work. No reason to throw him away or cut him because he made a mistake. But he can't make it again.

 

[dcmissle]

they picked up his option for next season though. So it would have to be a trade or they cut him.

Or a serious come-to-Jesus that leaves the team persuaded.

His target profile in a Pats uniform will be much bigger than in any other place.

 

[BaseballJones]

None of us knows what BB will do, but I'm with you, amarshal2. This is a great opportunity to have a guy scared out of his mind, and BB can leverage that into a perfect learning experience. So you want to give the guy a second change, I'd think. And if he doesn't learn from this, THEN you cut him (or trade him or whatever). But not yet. Because it's entirely possible this will scare him so much that he walks the straight and narrow from here on out.

 

[Erik Hanson's Hook]

Or a serious come-to-Jesus that leaves the team persuaded.

His target profile in a Pats uniform will be much bigger than in any other place.

Well, we do know he was "actively worshiping or praying" in front of the police station.

Edit: Shirtless, too. That's dedication.

 

[SumnerH]

Just to be clear, we've already ascertained that synthetic marijuana isn't illegal in Foxboro, eight?

No. Synthetic weed was moved to federal Schedule I in 2012, making it illegal throughout the United States.

 

[Bowhemian]

To me it's strike one in a situation where you get two strikes. He messed up. He didn't hurt anybody and as far as we know he's always been a professional when he's at work. No reason to throw him away or cut him because he made a mistake. But he can't make it again.

Just spitballing here, but do we know what his actual illness was a few weeks ago? I wonder if it was somehow drug-related and was kept under wrap by the team. That would make this strike 2.
I know, this is over-the-top speculation.

Edit: I am an idiot. It was Jamie Collins as pointed out so nicely downthread. FML

 

[DJnVa]

I know, this is over-the-top speculation.

Yes. Yes it is.

 

[moondog80]

Just spitballing here, but do we know what his actual illness was a few weeks ago? I wonder if it was somehow drug-related and was kept under wrap by the team. That would make this strike 2.
I know, this is over-the-top speculation.

Are you thinking of Jamie Collins?

 

[geoduck no quahog]

Quick aside: What's the attraction of synthetic weed? I live in a state where you can legally get whatever variety of organic weed, hash, kief, hash oil, wax, etc. - all certified to be chemical-free so maybe I'm out of touch.

Jones couldn't score the real thing? (Assuming the account is true, which I still don't buy into).

 

[Erik Hanson's Hook]

Quick aside: What's the attraction of synthetic weed? I live in a state where you can legally get whatever variety of organic weed, hash, kief, hash oil, wax, etc. - all certified to be chemical-free so maybe I'm out of touch.

Jones couldn't score the real thing? (Assuming the account is true, which I still don't buy into).

Sometimes your connect for organic is unavailable. Or in Chandler's case, maybe he thought SW was somehow safer, and less detectable on a drug test. But I'm telling you, that shit is sketchy.

You live in Washington or Colorado? I lived in Colorado for a year, and walking into a dispensary the first time blew my mind. It's like CVS, but for weed. Guys behind the counter waxing poetic about the different types they have. It's like, an actual job.

I loved the watermelon sourpatch edibles. Pop a couple of those in your mouth, and it's like 007. No smell, no red eye. Stealth to the max.

Taking odds on Chandler signing with Denver or Seattle after all this is over.

 

[Stitch01]

I'll bet up to $500 for charity that Chandler Jones is on the opening day roster next year. Its possible they go the Seymour route with him given they have to sign Hightower and Collins as well, Id have Jones third on that list, but this isn't a hanging offense.

IIRC option is only guaranteed for injury so they could cut him in the first five days of the next league year, but its really unlikely if there haven't been other problems with the player. He didn't even miss practice.

 

[Bowhemian]

Yes. Yes it is.

Are you thinking of Jamie Collins?

I am an idiot.

 

[moretsyndrome]

Quick aside: What's the attraction of synthetic weed? I live in a state where you can legally get whatever variety of organic weed, hash, kief, hash oil, wax, etc. - all certified to be chemical-free so maybe I'm out of touch.

Jones couldn't score the real thing? (Assuming the account is true, which I still don't buy into).

You seem to understand the differences in our native shellfish. Our laws are different too, unfortunately.

Its only appeal is to avoid getting nabbed during drug-testing.

 

[ehaz]

Quick aside: What's the attraction of synthetic weed? I live in a state where you can legally get whatever variety of organic weed, hash, kief, hash oil, wax, etc. - all certified to be chemical-free so maybe I'm out of touch.

Jones couldn't score the real thing? (Assuming the account is true, which I still don't buy into).

Well, for one - synthetic weed aka spice or K2 is (or was) legal. You could buy it in stores. So people who take drug tests, or who just want to avoid committing a crime but want to still get high see it as an alternative. I know people in the military who use it, it's also nothing like weed despite being marketed as synthetic pot. It's a shit ton of chemicals that makes you feel like you're on meth or PCP.

The scary thing is it seems highly addictive (at least more so that marijuana).

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/video/spice-boys

 

[soxhop411]

 

[soxhop411]

Michael Giardi ‏@MikeGiardi 21s21 seconds ago
Jones was asked if he feared for his life on Sunday. Repeated that he appreciated the question but was focused on KC
Ryan Hannable ‏@RyanHannable 7m7 minutes ago
Chandler Jones: "I understand the questions, but right now I'm focused on KC."

Doug Kyed ‏@DougKyed 6m6 minutes ago
Chandler Jones wants to apologize to everyone for the mistake he made.

Andy Hart ‏@JumboHart 6m6 minutes ago
Jones was very respectful and said "understood" questions but wouldn't say if had substance problem or if feared for his health.

 

[soxhop411]

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[Erik Hanson's Hook]

Get 2 sacks and I'll love you. Maybe all this will fire him up.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Some of the national media is running with the "Foxboro police chief is head of stadium security for Patriots" angle, suggesting police cover-up

 

[Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt]

Except there's not much of a cover-up, given he basically confessed, and the FPD released a statement on, what allegedly occurred. No?

 

[Leather]

I think the issue is that there might be/should be data that would be subject to a FOIA (or state-level equivalent) request that the PD destroyed or isn't providing.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Except there's not much of a cover-up, given he basically confessed, and the FPD released a statement on, what allegedly occurred. No?

Don't let facts get in the way of a narrative

 

[Jed Zeppelin]

Some of the national media is running with the "Foxboro police chief is head of stadium security for Patriots" angle, suggesting police cover-up

I recall some similar fuss last year about the Steelers' "Cleaner." I imagine most if not all teams league wide have at least some level of familiarity and friendliness with the local departments.

And any teams that don't aren't doing it right.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

I'm smoking a fat joint tonight in honor of Chandler.

Anyone with me?

 

[Omar's Wacky Neighbor]

Except there's not much of a cover-up, given he basically confessed, and the FPD released a statement on, what allegedly occurred. No?

I was just about to ask: covering up what, exactly? AFAIK no one has put forth any alternate theory of what supposedly really did happen.

EDIT: are they supposedly covering up for Gronk?

Obligatory Pink Stripes: it was Ernie Adams who advised the police to classify it a medical issue, so they could legally keep their mouths shut and the records sealed. 345 Park will try to find a way to close that loophole before next season starts (for once, much to the objections of Jim Irsay).

 

[pappymojo]

Just to clarify, he may very well have been shirtless to demonstrate to the police that he was unarmed. A couple of years ago, my brother got drunk and broke up with his girlfriend. She called the cops and said he threatened to shoot her and then she told him (she was drunk too). So, he got naked and sat on his chair and waited for them to arrive.

 

[Erik Hanson's Hook]

I'm smoking a fat joint tonight in honor of Chandler.

Anyone with me?

Yup.

 

[Hoya81]

I was just about to ask: covering up what, exactly? AFAIK no one has put forth any alternate theory of what supposedly really did happen.

The initial tweets/rumors were pushing that he was on some harder drugs/pills.

 

[dcmissle]

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He handled the questions well based on this. My question is why he said anything publicly at all. Those remarks have certainly been directed to BB and maybe the team. Those are the only folks he owes anything IMO at this time. This wasn't really getting any traction with everything else going on in the League. Log on fire ...

But there is probably stuff I don't know that tilted the decision this way.

 

[JimBoSox9]

Just to clarify, he may very well have been shirtless to demonstrate to the police that he was unarmed. A couple of years ago, my brother got drunk and broke up with his girlfriend. She called the cops and said he threatened to shoot her and then she told him (she was drunk too). So, he got naked and sat on his chair and waited for them to arrive.

I sort of doubt that's the level his decision-making was operating at, and I even more doubt that a shirt was involved anywhere in Chandler's evening. But, that's an outstanding story. Did that end it, or was there sober reconciliation? Were they generally a drunk fireworks couple, or was this an aberration? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[pappymojo]

She was a nightmare and he was a dumbass. He served just under two years in prison (mandatory minimum) but it was probably worth it to be done with her.

That night had been the anniversary of a friend's death and he was taking it very hard. He was drunk and she was on him about stupid shit, so he walked out of the apartment and she followed talking the whole time. He got to his truck and realized he was too drunk to drive, so he turned around and walked back to the apartment and locked her out. She was wasted and making a scene outside the house so he let her in, but she still didn't let up so he did the same thing and locked her out a second time. When he wouldn't let her back again is when she called the cops.

He did own a semi-automatic though (that he had purchased legally while living in another state). Due to a whole series of dumb luck stupidity his FID card was expired at the time. If it hadn't have been expired he wouldn't have served any time.

As for Chandler, where they said he was shirtless and on his knees as if praying, that suggests to me that he might have been extremely fucked up but trying, as best as he could in his fucked up state, to turn himself in while at the same time trying to show that he wasn't a threat.

 

[j44thor]

Since this is inevitably a distraction to the team on some small level, I'm going to guess Chandler sits the first Q though won't be surprised if he is inactive on Sunday. He has less than a month left to make football his #1 priority and clearly Chandler didn't do that. BB will not be pleased.

 

[Over Guapo Grande]

Since this is inevitably a distraction to the team on some small level, I'm going to guess Chandler sits the first Q though won't be surprised if he is inactive on Sunday. He has less than a month left to make football his #1 priority and clearly Chandler didn't do that. BB will not be pleased.

I can guarantee you that he won't play on Sunday based on what my sources tell me.

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

Could have been a panic attack, but I'd been high literally thousands of times before that, and this was different. You could tell that this was a substance trying to chemically imitate another substance. It was sketchy.

And LOL at the Ativan line. I may have to look into that.

I love how this thread has partially evolved into accounts of personal drug use. Anyone got any good bath salt stories?

I had done blow hundreds of times without incident before my panic attack. The mind/body is a mysterious thing. Also i would not recommend shooting up Ativan on your own, obviously. Valium is another one that when administered intravenously is a world changing experience. Had it when i went in for a colonoscopy 2 years ago. Almost looking forward to the next one just for that.

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

I can guarantee you that he won't play on Sunday based on what my sources tell me.

No offense, but I'm holding out for TheoShmeos source on this one. Proven track record and all.

 

[j44thor]

No offense, but I'm holding out for TheoShmeos source on this one. Proven track record and all.

How do you know that isn't his source?