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I mean, as long as Hamid stays healthy, he's got to be the presumed heir, right?
Right now, yes. He is capable of the spectacular but will also make mistakes at a more frequent rate than we have come to expect at the NT level. He won’t have a meltdown like Horvath did yesterday, but there will be gnashing off teeth about him sooner or later.

Among our three 1995s (Horvath, Gonzalez, Steffen), Steffen has been the steadiest this year but still could be more polished. Fingers crossed he can make the leap.
 

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Pulisic (19), McKennie (19), and Adams (18) really give us some nice pieces to the puzzle in midfield who should have long NT careers ahead of them. Two are already playing in the Bundesliga and Adams isn't long for MLS.

We haven't even had a chance to look at Jonathan Gonzalez (18), who Monterrey requested not be brought to this camp because he's already the DM lynchpin of their Liga MX-leading squad.

Now, we just need some wing options. Nobody is getting it done at the club level like our CMs yet, but fingers crossed for Nick Taitague (18) at Schalke and Andrew Carleton (17) at Atlanta. Arriola is decent enough for now; he's not elite, but does a ton of work defensively and off the ball so that he's fine as long as he isn't expected to be the centerpiece.
Seems like this might set up for something like the Bradley-era formation with two deeper-lying central midfielders and two skinny outside attacking midfielders, with Pulisic filling something of a Donovan role?
 

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You've convinced me, let's hire Bradley a 3rd time!

I wouldn't want to make too much of the error, keepers make howlers from time to time. If they do it in a friendly, all the better. I'm not sure Horvath is the answer or anything special but he probably won't concede another goal like that for the rest of his career
 

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https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-concacaf-nationsleague/exclusive-concacaf-agrees-to-launch-new-nations-league-idUKKBN1DG28I

CONCACAF’s governing council has agreed to launch a new Nations League tournament, for teams in North and Central America and the Caribbean, president Victor Montagliani told Reuters on Thursday.

The competition will begin in the international dates in September, 2018 and will feature all 41 member countries of the confederation which includes Mexico and the United States.

Those nations will be split into three divisions, based on their “sporting level” with promotion and relegation. The tournament will also serve as a qualifying route to the CONCACAF Gold Cup tournament.
 

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This is a very good development, IMO.

First taste of pro/rel many domestic fans will be involved with, as well...
 

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This seems good for CONCACAF writ large, but I am not sure if something that locks in more CONCACAF matches is necessarily good for the top-level teams, who need more games against better opposition.
 

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This seems good for CONCACAF writ large, but I am not sure if something that locks in more CONCACAF matches is necessarily good for the top-level teams, who need more games against better opposition.
You're not wrong about quality. A straight 3-divisions split means ~14 teams in each. That's too many games, and too many bad games, at the top. Maybe you could break it up like something like 10 / 10 / 21, so the 3rd division was just a big pool of minnows playing each other more frequently (it's not like they have external competitions to worry about). The Concacaf top 10 are all top-100 teams, though to be fair after US/MX/CR they are all 50-100.

In a 10-team D1, home-and-home gives you 18 matches in a "season" ("cycle"?) which I'm guessing will be 3 calendar years long with the 4th year being WCQ. Six matches a year, probably 2 per selected non-summer Fifa windows, to replace Gold Cup qualifying (so playing Jamaica or Canada instead of St. Kitts) - I'm cool with that.
 

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I'd probably prefer 8 / 12 / 21, because it's the top teams that are going to be playing the hex matches while everyone else watches on TV (and could use some matches of their own to get revenue). It's only a handful of nations who will actually be engaged for a substantial number of matches in the WCQ process. I think you'd want the top division to be teams likely to be in the hex, the 2nd division to be those likely to be in the pre-hex group stage, and then everyone else.
 

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Anyone else see (or maybe it is in this thread or another and I missed it) that the US is trying to organize a tournament for the WC non-qualifiers? So teams like the US, Italy, Ghana, Netherlands... the NIT of the World Cup, if you will. Seems like a good idea.
 

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Anyone else see (or maybe it is in this thread or another and I missed it) that the US is trying to organize a tournament for the WC non-qualifiers? So teams like the US, Italy, Ghana, Netherlands... the NIT of the World Cup, if you will. Seems like a good idea.
It sounds all nice in theory. But what would you expect? It´s a non-competitive tournament in the summer break (or after the season). It´s Confed Cup². When everybody was complaining about stars being out of Russia and on the beaches to relax and get a well-deserved rest, what would you think will the Robbens, Pulisics, Buffons, Chiellinis do? It will probably be a decent improved U23+ cup, if it will ever happen. And then people+media will be complaining, the interest will be low (stars missing + some other major competition will be on the doorstep a few 1000km away) and therefore...it won´t be happening.
Give the guys some rest, some oldies will be happy and the youngsters will need it.
 

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It sounds all nice in theory. But what would you expect? It´s a non-competitive tournament in the summer break (or after the season). It´s Confed Cup². When everybody was complaining about stars being out of Russia and on the beaches to relax and get a well-deserved rest, what would you think will the Robbens, Pulisics, Buffons, Chiellinis do? It will probably be a decent improved U23+ cup, if it will ever happen. And then people+media will be complaining, the interest will be low (stars missing + some other major competition will be on the doorstep a few 1000km away) and therefore...it won´t be happening.
Give the guys some rest, some oldies will be happy and the youngsters will need it.
Thanks for that perspective. You're probably right.
 

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Counterpoint: oodles of money for the respective FAs, many of whom were counting on that sweet WCF cash.

34-year-old Robben might get a pass. I'd bet Alexis Sanchez will be out there, with Mikeford screaming about it the whole way.
 

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Counterpoint: oodles of money for the respective FAs, many of whom were counting on that sweet WCF cash.

34-year-old Robben might get a pass. I'd bet Alexis Sanchez will be out there, with Mikeford screaming about it the whole way.
Nah, it won't be mikeford, it will be teddykgb.
 

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I don't see how the loser bowl even works in terms of timing, it can't conflict w/ the cup so, it has to be either in the small window before or after. Before gives players no rest after a long season, and no real time for a camp to train together either. After is too close to the season and cuts into pre-season.
It's great in theory, but in practice you're just asking for guys to get hurt or for the best players to be held out by their clubs
 

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The U18s are in camp in Chula Vista right now.

https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/11/20/17/28/20171120-news-u18mnt-roster-release

This marks the moment when the "U18" label passes from the 1999s to the 2001s.

GOALKEEPERS (2): David Ochoa (Real Salt Lake; Herriman, Utah), Alex Rando (New York City FC; New York, N.Y.)

DEFENDERS (6): Julian Araujo (Barca Academy; Lompoc, Calif.), George Bello (Atlanta United FC; Douglasville, Ga.), Nico Benalcazar (New York City FC; Wilton, Conn.), Luke Hansen (Colorado Rapids; Littleton, Colo.), David Mendoza (Chicago Fire; Chicago, Ill.), Leonardo Sepulveda (LA Galaxy; Corona, Calif.)

MIDFIELDERS (9): Oscar Cervantes (LA Galaxy; Indio, Calif.), Cameron Duke (Sporting Kansas City; Overland Park, Kan.), Justin Haak (New York City FC; Brooklyn, N.Y.), Luis Hernandez (FC Dallas; Mesquite, Texas), Nelson Martinez (D.C. United; Woodbridge, Va.), Aidan Morris (Crew SC Academy; New Albany, Ohio), Owen Otasowie (Wolverhampton Wanderers FC; Merryhill, Wolverhampton, England), Marcelo Palomino (Houston Dynamo; Houston, Texas), Thomas Roberts (FC Dallas; Frisco, Texas)

FORWARDS (7): Luis Arriaga (Real Salt Lake; Herriman, Utah), Jerry Ayon (Monarcas Morelia; Morelia, Michoacan, Mexico), Azriel Gonzalez (Seattle Sounders FC; Renton, Wash.), Ulysses Llanez (LA Galaxy; Torrance, Calif.), Jose Rivas (Crew SC Academy; New Albany, Ohio), Gabriel Segal (Bethesda-Olney; Bethesda, Md.), Stefan Stojanovic (Sockers FC; Des Plaines, Ill.)

Some thoughts:

1. The name "Alex Rando" is apropos for the current USMNT GK situation

2. Current pros: Bello, Otasowie, Ayon, Gonzalez. Bello is supposed to be a good left back prospect and he's the sole 2002 here.

3. I've heard lots of good things about Llanez, a winger, who is back with the US after flirting with Mexican youth teams.
 

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The USSF released the roster for the Nike Friendlies. The U17s are playing England, Netherlands, and Brazil to kick off the cycle.

https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/11/21/18/23/20171121-news-u17mnt-john-hackworth-names-2017-mens-nike-international-friendlies-usa-roster

GOALKEEPERS (4): Khamari Culcleasure (D.C. United; Alexandria, Va.), John Tyler Harms (Shattuck- Saint Mary’s; Whitefish Bay, Wisc.), Damian Las (Chicago Fire; Norridge, Ill.), Kashope Oladapo (Portland Timbers; Happy Valley, Ore.)

DEFENDERS (7): Axel Alejandre (FC United Soccer Club; Chicago, Ill.), Sebastian Anderson (Colorado Rapids; Highlands Ranch, Co.), George Bello (Atlanta United FC; Douglasville, Ga.), Mitchell Eise (Sporting Kansas City; Springfield, Mo.), Mason Judge (Chargers Soccer Club; Tampa, Fla.), Kenneth Nielsen (Pateadores; Irvine, Calif.), Joseph Scally (New York City FC; Lake Grove, N.Y.)

MIDFIELDERS (5): Joshua Atencio (Seattle Sounders FC; Bellevue, Wash.), Adam Saldana (Real So Cal; Panorama City, Calif.), Gilbert Fuentes Perez (San Jose Earthquakes; Tracy, Calif.), Maximillian Goeggel (VFB Stuttgart; San Francisco, Calif.), Peter Stroud (New York Red Bulls; Chester, NJ)

FORWARDS (8): Gianluca Busio (Sporting Kansas City; Greenboro, NC), Julian Gaines (Lonestar Soccer Club; Austin, Tex.), Cade Hagan (Sockers FC; Naperville, Ill.), Diego Lopez (FC Golden State; Chino, Calif.), Daniel Mangarov (Atlanta United FC; Duluth, Ga.), Alfonso Ocampo Chavez (Seattle Sounders FC; Fresno, Calif.), Dante Sealy (FC Dallas; Frisco, Tex.), Ray Serrano (Seattle Sounders FC; Graham, Wash.)


I don't know much about this group yet. Bello and Busio are pros already. Sealy is the only 2003 in this group. Gio Reyna is supposed to be one of our top 2002s, but I think he's injured.
 

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Oh man, a summer where my club and nation both have a managerial vacancy and Marcelo Bielsa is a free agent?
Sadly neither West Ham's owners or the USSF has those kind of balls.

Edit- according to full stories he was suspended for not getting club permission to fly to Chile where he visited his former Assistant Coach who is dying of stomach cancer. That's such an asshole move (though probably a setup to fire him for the club's poor performance but not have to pay him as much severance.)
 

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The first U17 game of the cycle, against England in the Nike friendlies, is being streamed by the USSF. First look at this group.

 

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So maybe I missed others, but looks like this is the first official nomination for USSoccer president that has been released:
South Carolina Youth Soccer nominated Kyle Martino.
 

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So maybe I missed others, but looks like this is the first official nomination for USSoccer president that has been released:
South Carolina Youth Soccer nominated Kyle Martino.
ASN published an interview with him today.

I'm not sure who to support. Right now my power rankings look something like:

1. The Field
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16. Gulati
17. Wynalda
 

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His platform has some holes, but Martino so far looks like the best to me.
Of course he probably has no shot because his platform has a bunch of moves that are smart for USSoccer, but not MLS friendly enough so the MLS bloc will oppose him
 

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This is the first time that I've ever heard of Kathy Carter, but I don't think that bringing in someone from SUM is the right decision.
 

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It would, of course, be big news if Gulati drops out.

Okay, I dug Clark's professional profile. She comes from a marketing background, but she did play college soccer at William & Mary.

- NCAA soccer at William & Mary
- 1994 WC organizing committee
- MLS VP of Corporate Marketing until 1999
- did marketing for the ATP until 2001
- worked for Envision Marketing
- VP, sales & marketing for AEG
- President of SUM since 2010

She has a lot of business experience and connections with MLS in particular: working for MLS directly, working for AEG, and being president of SUM. She'd be the only woman in the field.
 

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Would certainly be a good look to elect a woman to run US Soccer, particularly if you're contrasting the sport with others in the US. And she appears qualified.

Whether she'd be the best to lay the groundwork to improve the youth system and national-team training programs, will take some time to say.
 

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Would certainly be a good look to elect a woman to run US Soccer, particularly if you're contrasting the sport with others in the US. And she appears qualified.

Whether she'd be the best to lay the groundwork to improve the youth system and national-team training programs, will take some time to say.
I have deep concerns about anyone with major SUM or MLS connections getting the job. The interest of those 2 are deeply connected and at the same time very often their interests are antithetical to what is best for US Soccer. Seems like you're electing a worse version of Gulati, whose number one thought will be how do I make MLS owners, and their cronies as much money as possible and choke out any competition. Might as well make Don Garber President.
 

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MLS competition for soccer $$$ is mostly Liga MX and the EPL, and also a few other top leagues. There's nothing the USSF can do to protect MLS from that. NASL and USL have always posed zero threat to MLS and wouldn't pose a threat even if SUM didn't exist. NASL fans have been promoting the idea that the USSF, MLS, and The Man are the source of their league's problems, but I don't think it stands up to scrutiny. I'm also not sure why having dueling D1 leagues would be desirable in the first place.

That's not to say that the interests of MLS and US soccer are always one and the same. The next USSF President should work with MLS to make sure the league's salary cap and player movement rules evolve in a way that encourages more of a developmental culture than currently exists. We need more players getting minutes at younger ages and teams need stronger incentives to sell players when a reasonable offer arrives.
 

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More smoke around Kathy Carter, including quotes from the potential candidate herself.

SI.com's Grant Wahl first tweeted the possibility that Carter will run. One source told ESPN FC that Carter is in "the final stages" of formalizing her bid, and put her chances of running at "95 percent."
This will send people into orbit although I don't think it guarantees she'd be a bad candidate:

One source indicated that Carter is running at the urging of Gulati and MLS commissioner Don Garber.
Presumably if/when she officially announces she'll be more specific than this corporate speak:

"Should I decide to run, I will first look to engage the federation's many stakeholders as part of the process," she said. "I believe we need new ideas and I look forward to listening to fresh perspectives on how to advance our game. The federation and our sport is primed for greatness and I will enter the race if I believe I can help to deliver results for the Federation's members, players, and fans."
Also interesting:

The developments in the USSF presidential election campaign come ahead of a meeting of the USSF Board of Directors on Dec. 10 in Toronto following the MLS Cup. Multiple sources have told ESPN FC that among the items on the agenda is a set of policy changes that would alter the future role of the USSF president.

Gulati has been criticized in the past for having too much power over decisions such as the selection of national team coaches. The changes, if approved, would see the president become more of a Chairman of the Board type of position that would be more collaborative in nature, especially as it relates to the hiring of national team coaches.

I have absolutely no idea what to expect with this election.
 

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MLS competition for soccer $$$ is mostly Liga MX and the EPL, and also a few other top leagues. There's nothing the USSF can do to protect MLS from that. NASL and USL have always posed zero threat to MLS and wouldn't pose a threat even if SUM didn't exist. NASL fans have been promoting the idea that the USSF, MLS, and The Man are the source of their league's problems, but I don't think it stands up to scrutiny. I'm also not sure why having dueling D1 leagues would be desirable in the first place.

That's not to say that the interests of MLS and US soccer are always one and the same. The next USSF President should work with MLS to make sure the league's salary cap and player movement rules evolve in a way that encourages more of a developmental culture than currently exists. We need more players getting minutes at younger ages and teams need stronger incentives to sell players when a reasonable offer arrives.
Oh I don't think we need dueling DI. or that NALS/USL are real competitors to MLS, but there is no doubt that USSF has gone out of their way to prop up MLS and to throw roadblocks in front of other leagues. It's also a big factor in solidarity payment issues etc. I think they got spooked by candidates talking about encouraging the lower leagues to set up a real pyramid, or others talking about how USSF should invest in other levels than DI the way they invest/invested in MLS. Garber and Co see USSF as a personal gravy train, right now there isn't a clear candidate to keep the train rolling since Sunil is becoming toxic. That meant someone they trust needed to be pushed forward to ensure that the USSF's primary goal continued to be making money for the small group of "soccer elite" rather than anything so crass as letting poor people play.
 

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There is no question that the USSF has propped up MLS by letting SUM sell TV rights for MLS + USMNT together as a bundle. For a while, I think this was an undisputedly good and necessary thing; had MLS folded in the early 2000s, it would have been disastrous for US soccer.

MLS is in a much stronger position today. Some argue that the USSF should no longer bundle the TV rights and make MLS stand on its own. Personally, I'd take a different view and keep the arrangement, but use it as leverage to make MLS adopt more development-friendly rules. We'll see how these candidates shake out, but ideally I'd like someone who isn't an edgy, contrarian "MLS sux" type like Eric Wynalda who oversimplifies the world into the Evil Monopolists of MLS/USSF and the Noble Victims of the minor leagues and amateur world, but who also has a measure of independence from MLS/SUM. A number of the candidates could possibly fit the bill.

I don't see how the USSF has thrown up roadblocks against other leagues, though. The USL is as strong as it has ever been and the NASL's problems are entirely of its own making.

I'd also like to see solidarity payment + training compensation fees in the US, if possible, although I'm not sure if their impact on the world of pay-to-play will be as big as some hope. I think the MLSPU might be a larger obstacle than the USSF. The MLSPU holds that these fees are an illegal restraint of trade and that they reduce their players' market value. IIRC, during the Fraser v. MLS lawsuit, the players' union and MLS came to an agreement not to pay these fees, so the issue has never actually been litigated in US court. I'd like to see someone press the issue even as I'm not convinced that these fees actually would hold up in court. I am definitely not a lawyer, though.
 

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Kathy Carter makes it official today.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/sports/soccer/kathy-carter-us-soccer-election.html


Platform from her campaign website:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a24239a8fd4d2ae8d7bb3f1/t/5a2691744192028cc4b24f31/1512477045786/Kathy+Carter+open+letter+(1).PDF

In what she says, there's not much that's objectionable and not much that's specific, which is the case for most of the candidates in the race. The real pitches that matter are the ones we don't see. The public doesn't vote, so our opinion doesn't matter much.
 

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"...in the end, I think the best thing for me personally, and for the federation, is to see someone new in the job.
No coincidence, the order of those two considerations.

End of an error.

From the article:
Arena stepped down almost immediately after the loss to Trinidad. Gulati, however, spent more than a month considering his situation while a bevy of candidates lined up against him: Steve Gans, a Boston attorney who has advised Premier League clubs on their business; Kyle Martino and Eric Wynalda, who played for the national team and now work as commentators; Paul Caligiuri, who played for the national team and now works as a coach; Mike Winograd, who played professionally in Israel; Paul Lapointe, a longtime soccer administrator; and Carlos Cordeiro, Gulati's vice president and confidante.

Cordeiro's entry was the most dramatic, given his relationship with Gulati -- and it was clear that Cordeiro's choice affected the relationship between the longtime friends.

"It was an interesting set of discussions with Carlos," Gulati said in a quiet tone. "That's all I'm prepared to say about that."
I wonder who he thinks will be the most pliable in his future attempts to pull strings. Carter, obviously, but perhaps his previous assumption had been Cordeiro.
 

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I wonder who he thinks will be the most pliable in his future attempts to pull strings. Carter, obviously, but perhaps his previous assumption had been Cordeiro.
From all accounts, Cordeiro's entry into the race was an unwelcome surprise to Gulati. From the ESPN article on Gulati's decision:

"It was an interesting set of discussions with Carlos," Gulati said in a quiet tone. "That's all I'm prepared to say about that."
Cordeiro isn't an outsider; he was on the USSF board for quite some time. However, he does seem to be willing to rock the boat more than most USSF types. In 2016, he ran for VP and unseated an incumbent and this fall he announced he would run for Prez even when it seemed possible that Gulati would run again.
 

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Interesting, Carter and Cordeiro probably have similar bases, Wynalda and Martino likely have somewhat similar. Anyone supporting Wynalda highly unlikely to support Cordeiro or Carter, could slide to Martino. Martino voters probably would split between Wynalda and Carter? if he dropped. Wynalda is the least likely by far to pick up much of anything from a Cordeiro or Carter camp.

So basically I'd say your odds go:
Cordeiro/Carter
Martino

and that's it. Wynalda has almost no path to victory because Pro Council and the misc group are against him for sure, that's 325 out of 1135 gone, technically if he close to swept the rest but he's probably way too extreme for a chunk of adult council and youth as well.

So get used to the idea of either Cordeiro moving up a chair or Don Garber's hand picked henchwoman. Maybe Martino could sneak in if he got youth and Athlete councils behind him and picked off enough NWSL or Adult council votes but it's a longshot. Misc is likely against him (unless it comes down to him vs Cordeiro and Gulati casts his votes for Martino just to spite Carlos for backstabbing him) MLS is against him and they have most of the pro council votes (it's pretty obscene I think they have like 6 times the votes of NWSL).
 

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France has announced a game against the US on June 9 in Lyon.

 

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A great insight into how the USSF thinks consider it a huge success to slash attendance and jack up prices for USMNT qualifying. Way to grow the game
 

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The shocking news here is that six percent of the votes went to someone other than Pulisic.