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USMNT: Watching From Outside The Arena

Discussion in 'Breakfast with Gazza (with Sachmoneious Bullcrap)' started by Titans Bastard, Oct 16, 2017.

  1. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    There are a few US media types who have written articles in which the author masochistically put together a hypothetical US roster for the World Cup. (One of them even cut Weston McKennie, a decision that at this point is so veteran-oriented even Bruce Arena is shaking his head.)

    I tried making one myself, but got discouraged for multiple reasons.
     
  2. InstaFace

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    for one, I assume there was a point beyond which you'd drank too much to continue to type accurately.
     
  3. dirtynine

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    Who’d you have in the goalkeeping spots, @Titans Bastard? If it’s not too painful to ask.
     
  4. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Guzan, Steffen, and....who cares about the third GK, really. Hamid? Bono? Melia?

    I'd have given the vast majority of starts in the post-WCQ friendlies to Steffen, with Guzan as a fallback if Steffen didn't look up to the job.

    It's attacking midfield and forward where the pain really sets in. Pulisic and....

    We had a generational lull at most positions, but there's signs of life in some of the deeper-on-the-field areas. Miazga at CB, plus a whole bunch of slightly younger players pushing through. Adams and McKennie bring a lot at CM.

    The 95/96/97 generation doesn't seem to have as many high-end attackers, though. Among younger players, Pulisic is good, I'm enthusiastic about Sargent, hopeful about Weah, Carleton and a bunch of others but outside of CP that crop isn't quite ready for prime time.

    Given that Altidore and Saief would miss the WC with injuries, it would be very threadbare. Johannsson and Morris are injured, too. Even Agudelo is injured for at the moment. Wood is coming off a terrible, no-good, very bad season, but he'd definitely be there. Dwyer, maybe? The return of ZARDES? Dempsey is pretty much past it.

    At attacking midfield, Fabian Johnson hasn't done anything in a while. Paul Arriola, Kelyn Rowe?

    It's very weak.
     
  5. dirtynine

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    To be quite honest, this post made me feel better. As in, it sounds like a winless 3-and-out might have been on the board at the WC even if we snuck in. I had forgotten about all the injuries on top of what was already a fairly weak roster.
     
  6. Jed Zeppelin

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    That we wouldn’t have been able to rely on the usual heroic goalkeeping efforts that have bailed us out in the past is another point in favor of this idea. Guzan inspired far less confidence than any keeper I can remember well in my lifetime. Certainly recent history.
     
  7. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I forgot about Jonathan Amon. He's not that experienced but given the state of things, I'd absolutely put him on the WC roster. He'd give the team badly needed pace and 1v1 ability and take some pressure off of Pulisic.

    I think there'd also be a significant chunk of people arguing about taking Josh Sargent even though he's never played a pro game. I'm not sure they'd have been wrong about it, either...

    The Guzan Era, as well as all the more recent guys who weren't good enough to even overtake Guzan, certainly should give us a lot of appreciation for the very long Friedel/Keller/Howard stretch of goalkeeping excellence.
     
  8. InstaFace

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    There was never really a Guzan era, though, was there? Because the Howard era only ended in September in Port-au-Prince. Tim Howard was either #1, or injured, up until then.
     
  9. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Fair enough!

    The "Tim Howard Is Bad Now So Guzan Sometimes Starts" Era of the last few years would be more accurate.
     
  10. Infield Infidel

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    Howard had his sabbatical, during which Guzan got called for handling outside the box in the Gold Cup and gave up a goal on the subsequent free kick
     
  11. DrewDawg

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    Yeah, we're essentially 5-6 weeks from likely not advancing and starting the 2022 run up anyway.

    Still like to have watched Pulisic play though...
     
  12. coremiller

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    OTOH, we avoided the potential Pulisic sports media backlash after the US inevitably got eliminated in the group stage. I could easily see Kornheiser and Wilbon types blaming Pulisic for not carrying the team to victory after being hyped as the next big star.
     
  13. moly99

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    EDIT: double post. Not sure what happened.
     
  14. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Two part bump....

    Two goals today:






    Also this:




    US Soccer, redeem yourself and cleanse yourself of the stain of the Jonathan Gonzalez Ordeal. I'd take Alvarez over Gonzalez for sure if forced to choose - US soccer can be relied on to produce a reasonable number of solid DM/CMs. Not so with attacking midfielders.
     
  15. Titans Bastard

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    The Athletic announced they are launching soccer coverage yesterday and have put out some solid stuff so far. This is one of the most balanced takes on Michael Bradley I've read.

    I am really curious to see what happens with Bradley in the next cycle. He's clearly good enough to be part of our best 23 for a good while, but some of the players from the next generation who are most ready are players who are DMs or CMs (Adams, McKennie). They are both good enough that the next manager should invest a lot of playing time in them as they develop. So how does Bradley fit in? Does he have it in him to be a stately veteran who mentors the youth from a bench role? Is it better to drop him cold turkey and move on? He's been such a central figure that at some point in the future, US Soccer will probably give him a send-off testimonial that could be...awkward.
     
  16. Jed Zeppelin

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    “Nobody from the United States Federation has contacted him.”

    For a perennial middling soccer power it never ceases to amaze that we have a federation that won’t put in the work because damn it everybody should be begging at OUR doorstep.
     
  17. Titans Bastard

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    It makes me think of this again:

    Ramos opens up about Gonzalez's decision: 'If you feel Mexican, play for Mexico'

    Maybe he's approaching the issue with the zeal of the converted or something, but that's such a disappointing attitude coming from a foreign-born dual national like Tab Ramos.

    Any attitude towards dual nationals that refuses to acknowledge the legitimacy of feeling attachments to multiple countries is just not going to be good.
     
  18. Jed Zeppelin

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    Roster for Bolivia friendly. Average age is 22 and change:

    GOALKEEPERS (3): Alex Bono (Toronto FC/CAN; 0/0), Bill Hamid (Midtjylland/DEN; 5/0), Ethan Horvath (Club Brugge/BEL; 2/0)
    DEFENDERS (8): Cameron Carter-Vickers (Tottenham Hotspur/ENG; 2/0), Eric Lichaj (Nottingham Forest/ENG; 14/1), Matt Miazga (Chelsea/ENG; 5/1), Matthew Olosunde (Manchester United/ENG; 0/0), Erik Palmer-Brown (Manchester City/ENG; 0/0), Antonee Robinson (Everton/ENG; 0/0), Jorge Villafaña (Santos Laguna/MEX; 16/0), Walker Zimmerman (LAFC; 2/0)
    MIDFIELDERS (9): Joe Corona (Club Tijuana/MEX; 20/3), Lynden Gooch (Sunderland/ENG; 3/0), Julian Green (Stuttgart/GER; 8/3), Alejandro Guido (Club Tijuana/MEX; 0/0), Weston McKennie (Schalke/GER; 1/1), Keaton Parks (Benfica/POR; 0/0), Christian Pulisic (Borussia Dortmund/GER; 20/9), Rubio Rubin (Club Tijuana/MEX; 5/0), Tim Weah (Paris Saint-Germain/FRA; 1/0)
    FORWARDS (2): Andrija Novakovich (Reading/ENG; 1/0), Josh Sargent (Werder Bremen/GER; 0/0)
     
  19. Titans Bastard

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    Significant changes expected for the games after Bolivia:



    The Bolivia match is not during a FIFA window, so the only in-season MLS players are Bono and Zimmerman. There are some marginal players on this squad and a few reaches; they'll probably be dismissed for a few MLS players and others like Yedlin and Wood.

    AFAIK this is the first time Pulisic and McKennie will play together since maybe a few U17 friendly camps.

    There are no DMs in this team. Sarachan will find a way to get at least a couple of guys play as DMs, though, no doubt!
     

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