UFC/MMA in 2017

[Phragle]

Mma math is sketchy but this is about as strong of mma math as you'll ever see. Ronda murdered betch in Brazil then her very next fight was Holm. I'm not buying the 30 for 30 thing at all. There were no bad losses there. All were good opponents and all were 5 rounds. I also love the matchup. Not only does betch suck, she's aggressive and small. Holm is bigger, longer, stronger, and will counter well.

 

[Infield Infidel]

Jacare got rocked. Pretty impressive win there for Whitaker. 185 is silly right now. Guessing Whitaker will fight Mousasi somewhere overseas.

 

[luckiestman]

I really didn't need to see that girl get kicked in the head like that

 

[Marciano490]

I really didn't need to see that girl get kicked in the head like that

Serious?

 

[luckiestman]

Serious?

Yeah man, maybe I'm old, maybe I'm sexist but watching a young cute 100 pound girl look like she got hit with a bat is not entertaining for me.

 

[luckiestman]

Couple of my pals train bjj with Reis pretty regularly. I don't know that he is fast enough to do anything to DJ.

 

[luckiestman]

Having guys that fight 125 fight in the same size cage as guys that weigh 265 has never made sense to me

 

[Phragle]

I totally forgot this card. The 125ers do nothing for me, but uhhhh Jacare lost!? That guy doesn't lose

 

[luckiestman]

I totally forgot this card. The 125ers do nothing for me, but uhhhh Jacare lost!? That guy doesn't lose

These old guys with fewer bombas are having a lot of trouble

 

[MikeM]

I really didn't need to see that girl get kicked in the head like that

Rose put it on her. Very impressive and entertaining showcase.

Can't see her having that same fight against Joanna though.

 

[kelpapa]

Yeah man, maybe I'm old, maybe I'm sexist but watching a young cute 100 pound girl look like she got hit with a bat is not entertaining for me.

Oof. That was brutal.

Spoiler: Head kick

Whittaker's head kick

Spoiler

 

[Infield Infidel]

So many finishes tonight. OSP with a crazy submission, Al Iaquinta came back with a huge KO for Diego Sanchez. Mike Perry dropped Ellenberger like a ton a bricks

 

[Gunfighter 09]

So many finishes tonight. OSP with a crazy submission, Al Iaquinta came back with a huge KO for Diego Sanchez. Mike Perry dropped Ellenberger like a ton a bricks

I've never seen a VonFlue in a professional fight and I've never seen someone slept by a standing elbow. That was a pretty fun night.

 

[Infield Infidel]

good lord that was vintage Frankie Edgar, probably a 10-8 1st and a solid 10-9 in the second.

Edit: And they called it, as dominant as ever.

 

[luckiestman]

Beat down

Yair is game though

 

[Gunfighter 09]

Beat down

Yair is game though

Yeah, I kept expecting him to roll over and give up the choke. He's a tough kid, I still think he is going to be a star.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is why the UFC never gave Connor a fight with Frankie.

 

[Infield Infidel]

Beat down

Yair is game though

It reminded me of the Rory MacDonald-Condit fight, just a step up to the big leagues and turns out he wasn't ready, but it will be good for him in the long run

 

[luckiestman]

Yeah, I kept expecting him to roll over and give up the choke. He's a tough kid, I still think he is going to be a star.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is why the UFC never gave Connor a fight with Frankie.

He was trying the whole time. Really respect that kid. I didn't know his jiu-jitsu was that good. Frankie is a really good bjj player, Yair would have caught a lot of guys with some of the things he was trying.

 

[Curll]

This is a very difficult fight to score. Maia is winning, kinda, maybe?

 

[luckiestman]

I Maia doesn't get at least all 29-28 they should outlaw grappling

 

[Infield Infidel]

This is a very difficult fight to score. Maia is winning, kinda, maybe?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Curll]

Jedrzejcyk is really, really impressive from a technical standpoint.

 

[luckiestman]

Jesus man, this fucking Stipe is rolling through a who's who of HW fighters like they are a fucking joke

 

[Zomp]

So do we have a serious discussion about Stipe being one of the best heavyweights of all time? Mark Hunt, Arlovski,Werdum, Overeem, and now JDS with the last four being FIRST ROUND knockouts.

 

[luckiestman]

So do we have a serious discussion about Stipe being one of the best heavyweights of all time? Mark Hunt, Arlovski,Werdum, Overeem, and now JDS with the last four being FIRST ROUND knockouts.

Sure, why not. It's never been a really deep division. The guys he is beating (besides Werdum) are past their prime but he is starching them.

 

[Phragle]

So do we have a serious discussion about Stipe being one of the best heavyweights of all time? Mark Hunt, Arlovski,Werdum, Overeem, and now JDS with the last four being FIRST ROUND knockouts.

Do we have to ask this every time we have a new HW champ? It's Fedor and It's not close.

 

[southshoresoxfan]

Yeah, I kept expecting him to roll over and give up the choke. He's a tough kid, I still think he is going to be a star.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is why the UFC never gave Connor a fight with Frankie.

No, its bc they couldnt make as much $ on an Edgar/Conor fight.

He finally got Aldo and then never fought at 145 again.

The Conor Conspiracy Theorists can be exhausting.

 

[luckiestman]

Do we have to ask this every time we have a new HW champ? It's Fedor and It's not close.

Fedor was the great in PRIDE, absolutely. I love and miss PRIDE but those fight were in rings, not cages. The scoring criteria was different (this is not that big of a deal when talking Fedor), the time limits were different, PED use was actively encouraged. I don't remember Fedor ever fighting anyone with the skillset of Cormier or Velasquez. The best wrestlers he fought were practically novice level strikers (until he fought a way past his prime hendo and lost). His best wins are against Big Nog and Cro Cop. That's a big deal as those guys were awesome but not wrestlers who could bang like Cain and DC.

 

[Gunfighter 09]

No, its bc they couldnt make as much $ on an Edgar/Conor fight.

He finally got Aldo and then never fought at 145 again.

The Conor Conspiracy Theorists can be exhausting.

I was more comparing Connor's pathetic capitulation in the first Diaz fight to Yayir's willingness to take a beating while still trying to win than making any conspiracy theory.

As you point out, he left 145 right at the point when he would not have been able to dodge Frankie.

 

[southshoresoxfan]

I was more comparing Connor's pathetic capitulation in the first Diaz fight to Yayir's willingness to take a beating while still trying to win than making any conspiracy theory.

As you point out, he left 145 right at the point when he would not have been able to dodge Frankie.

Yea. And after Conor trained a full camp to fight at 170 he looked perfectly capable in the Diaz rematch then toyed w Eddie Alvarez at 155.

Also Conor has a 6 inch reach adv on Edgar. Conor with a reach adv = Conor w an easy win.

 

[Gunfighter 09]

Yea. And after Conor trained a full camp to fight at 170 he looked perfectly capable in the Diaz rematch then toyed w Eddie Alvarez at 155.

Also Conor has a 6 inch reach adv on Edgar. Conor with a reach adv = Conor w an easy win.

Connor is a great fighter, Anthony Johnson is a very good fighter. But neither of them have that special kind of crazy inside of them that Yayir demonstrated the other night. I wouldn't either because getting punched and elbowed in the head, neck and face repeatedly by a guy you can't get off of you sucks. Put it this way, Connor is a much better business man than young Mr Rodriguez.

As for fighting Frankie (and I don't think we will ever see a skeletal CM at 145 again),if it wasn't a 13 second KO, it would probably would look very similar to the Mendes fight, except for getting up against Edgar is less likely and Edgar wouldn't gas like a ten days notice Mendes did.

 

[Phragle]

Fedor was the great in PRIDE, absolutely. I love and miss PRIDE but those fight were in rings, not cages. The scoring criteria was different (this is not that big of a deal when talking Fedor), the time limits were different, PED use was actively encouraged. I don't remember Fedor ever fighting anyone with the skillset of Cormier or Velasquez. The best wrestlers he fought were practically novice level strikers (until he fought a way past his prime hendo and lost). His best wins are against Big Nog and Cro Cop. That's a big deal as those guys were awesome but not wrestlers who could bang like Cain and DC.

Is this supposed to be an argument against Fedor or are you just listing some opinions you have?

 

[Vinho Tinto]

Fedor was undefeated in 29 fights over 9 years. That's crazy shit. He is also a Judo and Sambo champion. He's not the best fighter Ive seen. That title would go to Bones followed by Anderson, but he gets a lot of respect from fighters because they know his resume is deep and legitamite. If Fedor fought in the UFC during that 9 year period, there is no doubt he would have been a favorite vs any of the UFC title holders. The first guy I think he would have lost to is Cain and that's mostly due to age. A fight between a 32-34 year old Fedor vs 26-28 Cain would have been incredible.

 

[djbayko]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/sports/ufc-conor-mcgregor-fight-floyd-mayweather.html

"The McGregor side is done; I’m starting to work on the Mayweather side now.”

What the hell does that mean? Last I checked, no side of a deal is ever done until both are. Seems like a negotiation tactic to try to force Mayweather into signing something.

 

[Phragle]

Yeah.

So the first odd I saw in Holm are minus 350. That's pretty great.

 

[djbayko]

Yeah.

So the first odd I saw in Holm are minus 350. That's pretty great.

For anyone interested, someone gave me this link. It doesn't cover all U.S. books, but it's a pretty good sampling of them. It seems to be the best site out there for current odds and line movement of all MMA fights. You can also add alerts for when a fight's odds reach a particular value.

https://www.bestfightodds.com/

 

[MikeM]

Cody getting hurt and pulling out of the fight against TJ really puts a damper on the reality show.

 

[Phragle]

Think Conor fights again after making 100M vs Floyd?

 

[southshoresoxfan]

Think Conor fights again after making 100M vs Floyd?

Nope.

 

[PayrodsFirstClutchHit]

Think Conor fights again after making 100M vs Floyd?

Sure. In 3 years after he an his entourage have pissed it all away.

 

[Infield Infidel]

Gustafsson still paws with open hands, and poked Glover's eye pretty hard in the 1st. I saw it coming from a mile away. I like Gustafsson but they changed the rules to get refs to do more to get guys to stop pawing with open hands.

 

[Infield Infidel]

I don't know how Glover survived the third. He's taking a beating


edit- jesus what a ko. it was coming. Glover should take some time off, if not retire.

 

[MikeM]

Months of Aldo crying like a baby about early stoppage starting in 3, 2...

 

[luckiestman]

Months of Aldo crying like a baby about early stoppage starting in 3, 2...

Maybe, but he was trying to quit without tapping for a while.

 

[Gunfighter 09]

Maybe, but he was trying to quit without tapping for a while.

He gave his back twice.

Max is only 25. What a smart and impressive fight by a young guy just hitting his prime.

 

[Marciano490]

It's supposedly on. Excuse me while I liquidate everything and bet on PBF.

 

[MikeM]

It's supposedly on. Excuse me while I liquidate everything and bet on PBF.

At what, -1000?

Ehhh. Not to be that guy, but the potential shenanigans factor on what is already a circus fight would enough to scare me away from going that big.

 

[djbayko]

At what, -1000?

Ehhh. Not to be that guy, but the potential shenanigans factor on what is already a circus fight would enough to scare me away from going that big.

I hear you, but do you really think Mayweather would agree to shenanigans and pass up 50-0? What a huge blemish that would be on an otherwise perfect career.

 

[MikeM]

I hear you, but do you really think Mayweather would agree to shenanigans and pass up 50-0? What a huge blemish that would be on an otherwise perfect career.

Well, the guy obvious has a lot of dough...but he also likes living a crazily extravagant lifestyle. Probably more so imo then he ultimately cares about legacy stuff, or a public image that is already in the toilet with a lot of people anyway. I mean typical bragging BS claims aside, how much is Mayweather Productions and/or sponsor deals really bringing in for him over the next 20-30 years if he's not fighting? How many more times after a CM fight, if any, can he go to this well?

If you were the UFC, how much would it be worth to your brand/sport to see CM win this fight? Again, not to be that guy (which I'm fully being atm) but if there was ever a time where you can make the argument that throwing a circus fight could make sense for all parties involved...this is pretty much it. Or at least that would be my nagging mindset if I was laying a fortune down just to collect a quick 10% interest on it.

 

[djbayko]

Well, the guy obvious has a lot of dough...but he also likes living a crazily extravagant lifestyle. Probably more so imo then he ultimately cares about legacy stuff, or a public image that is already in the toilet with a lot of people anyway. I mean typical bragging BS claims aside, how much is Mayweather Productions and/or sponsor deals really bringing in for him over the next 20-30 years if he's not fighting? How many more times after a CM fight, if any, can he go to this well?

If you were the UFC, how much would it be worth to your brand/sport to see CM win this fight? Again, not to be that guy (which I'm fully being atm) but if there was ever a time where you can make the argument that throwing a circus fight could make sense for all parties involved...this is pretty much it. Or at least that would be my nagging mindset if I was laying a ton of money down just to collect a quick 10% interest on it.

I'm thinking more in terms of ego. Mayweather has a huge one of those. Yes, we know he loves money, and that most likely drives a very large percentage of his ego. It's just that the difference between 49-1 (losing to a non-boxer) and perfection / all-time record...I don't know if even Mayweather would put a price tag on that.