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UFC/MMA in 2017

Discussion in 'General Sports' started by Infield Infidel, Jan 4, 2017.

  1. Phragle

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    Seeing a lot of Twitter rumblings on Money-Mcgergor
     
  2. djbayko

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    What's the latest intel on the rules they'd be fighting with? McGregor doesn't stand a chance at boxing, right? I don't care how powerful his left hook is or how hard he's been training, Mayweather is one of the greatest defensive boxers the world has ever seen and he's been living and breathing boxing his whole life.

    Tweak the rules and things could get interesting, but why would Mayweather agree to that?
     
  3. Marciano490

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    I hope this happens. Idiots would keep the line reasonable and I will bet everything I own on Money May.
     
  4. djbayko

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    It's currently Mayweather -2000 (and has been this way for a while now). You might want to get in on the action now before it gets any lower. Everyone seems to realize that Conor has no shot unless it's MMA, and it's simply a money grab.

    I'm not touching that though - the payoff just isn't there.
     
  5. EvilEmpire

    EvilEmpire Dope Staff Member Dope Gold Supporter

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    Assuming this happens, McGregor is brilliant. He's smart enough to know he won't beat Mayweather, but damn will he get paid. There is only so much money to be made in the UFC for him. Careers aren't long and he knows he could just as easily get beat there too. One huge payday and whatever happens afterward doesn't matter so much, I think.
     
  6. Marciano490

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    I dunno man, might be worth going all in on. There's just no way CM wins. No fucking way.
     
  7. Zomp

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    Marciano I know practically nothing about boxing (not that I know much about mma) but how do you see it playing out? I mean I know Conor's chance is less than 1% but will Mayweather knock him out? Or outbox him for 12 rounds? Does he have knock out power?
     
  8. edoug

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    I think there's a decent chance McGregor gets DQ'd. Good pro boxers can't lay a glove on Mayweather. I wonder what Dana White's reaction is to this.He seems really against the match happening.
     
  9. EvilEmpire

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    He should be. If McGregor gets a giant payday he might not be motivated to fight much more in the UFC. Or at least be a bigger pain in the ass than he already is during fight negotiations.
     
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  10. djbayko

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    I think you're absolutey right that the odds are good here. And if we had 100 trials - or even just 5 - to bet on, I'd go all in on every one. But we only get one trial. Something freakish happens and Connor lands a good one (I'm thinking about Mayweathers perfectly legal "sucker punch" right now) and you're screwed....all for very little ROI potential.
     
  11. edoug

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    So many more skilled boxers have tried it and failed but if you look at it as a lottery ticket, sure why not.
     
  12. djbayko

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    Huh? We're talking about putting money on very low odds for Mayweather to win a boxing match against McGregor. How is that a lottery ticket? It's more like a short-term bond.
     
  13. EvilEmpire

    EvilEmpire Dope Staff Member Dope Gold Supporter

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    Yeah, he's talking about putting something on McGregor as a lottery ticket because of the odds.
     
  14. Phragle

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    Nothing I've seen on that yet.

    He won't. McGregor is Maximus, and Mayweather is Joaquin Pheonix. Mayweather can't let it be a fair fight. The "fight" will make more money but I don't think significantly so, and the chances he gets run over go through the roof. He's going to play it safe as you'll ever see.

    Despite what I just said, I'd wait until I see the rules. CM will put up a fight about them even if if Floyd has more leverage. McGregor should be flirting with a GSP title shot.

    Is he brilliant or is just obvious payday, obvious?
     
  15. edoug

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    Sorry, I read your post thoroughly enough. When I read about the betting aspect I only considered that getting major score by betting on a huge underdog.
     
  16. EvilEmpire

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    Well yeah, that part is obvious. What I mean is that McGregor is brilliant for putting himself in a position to get a monster payday even though he isn't a boxer and it is a gimmick fight.
     
  17. edoug

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    He's also lucky it's Mayweather. Floyd is more than willing to play the game. If it was someone like Hagler, things could a little testy.
     
  18. djbayko

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    Most of the books I've seen carrying this bet state that it must be a sanctioned boxing match for action. I did see one site that copied the bet without including that fine print, and I'd definitely be weary of putting any money down without specifics. But I'm still holding off nonetheless.

    No worries. I figured as much :)
     
  19. edoug

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    Cool
     
  20. Marciano490

    Marciano490 Urological Expert SoSH Member

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    <3

    Dj- you're the smartie - with these kinda odds can't you hedge fairly effectively? What're the odds on a CM KO? He won't win on points. If you put 20k on Floyd to win and 500 on a CM knockout, what's your exposure?
     
  21. Phragle

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    I guess so but he still has to rip through the UFC or it doesn't matter how many "fookin" water bottles he throws. If he's brilliant he'll leverage everyone against each other at every level. Floyd, Aldo, Woodley, Khalabib Nurmegamedabov, hell even Pacquiao.

    Ok, but if you put 5 grand on Floyd then you find out it's boxing, but with MMA gloves and in the octagon, are you happy?
     
  22. djbayko

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    Definitely not. When I mentioned rule tweaks making it interesting, the gloves are one thing that could make a huge difference. I guess I assumed that wouldn't be considered a sanctioned boxing match...but perhaps I'm wrong.

    But like I said, I'm holding off for now, so it doesn't matter :)

    Good call. I didn't think of that option because there aren't any props out yet.

    You might need to make a run to Vegas if you're talking that kind of cash though. Bookmaker has the highest max limits of all the US sites. It looks to me like they might allow up to 10K for big fights as they get closer and odds settle, but I don't know for sure how that works with them. Right now their max for this bet is only $500. They do have the line as Mayweather -950 though, which is far better than everyone else at the moment. Weird.
     
  23. Marciano490

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    Whether Mayweather knocks him out I think will depend on what Conor comes in weighing. The one factor I haven't seen much talk about is size. Conor obviously has the frame to get up to a weight that Floyd can't really touch, and remember Floyd started his career at super featherweight (126 pounds), so he's already more or less maxed out his frame and doesn't really gain too much after a weigh in. I could see Conor being 10-15 pounds heavier when the bell rings, regardless of the scheduled weight.

    The only time I've ever seen Mayweather in trouble is when people have brawled with him, guys like Maidana or Oscar for a couple rounds. It's not just pushing him back to the ropes, it's coming at him with weird angles and weird punches. Conor is a bit of a complex fighter to really break down because his style is a little incongruous. He takes a wide stance, which gives him a good base for power, but makes him less mobile. He plants his feet, but is actually pretty good with angles. He has plus hand speed, but very poor head movement, which I think is partly tied into his stance. Frankly, he doesn't seem to have great reflexes either. I've seen him get caught flush with punches top level fighters would slip or parry.

    While he looks unconventional in his stance and movement, he really is fairly straight forward with his punch selection and angles. He's not a guy who will throw wild like Maidana. In a lot of ways he reminds me of a less active Pacquiao, but with worse footwork and head movement. His stance allows him to always be in a position to punch or counter, but prevents him from really getting in and out as quickly as Pacquiao can.

    He also has a lot of his success countering other fighter's mistakes. He's great at coming over the top of lazy jabs with his overhand. He's very good at going to the body when his opponent squares up. For all his firepower, he doesn't often seem like a fighter who can create his own offense, and I think that - in addition to the huge skill disparity - is what dooms him against Mayweather. Floyd doesn't have openings. He doesn't make mistakes. He'll be able to break through Conor's defenses very quickly, and Conor won't be able to get out of the way of his straight right. Conor doesn't have the endurance or the footwork to keep pushing Floyd back to the ropes to beat him up in corners, which is really the only blue print to beating him.

    I don't know that there will be a ko, but I think otherwise Floyd wins 12-0. There's just way too much space between them.
     
  24. Vinho Tinto

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    Helwani is reporting GSP and UFC have agreed to terms on a new contract.
     
  25. Sinistas

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    Lesnar has apparently notified UFC of his retirement:

    http://www.mmafighting.com/2017/2/14/14613038/brock-lesnar-notifies-ufc-of-his-retirement-from-mma
     
  26. MikeM

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    In terms of anything happening in the near future I'd say yes. For all the surface talk that keeps popping up about this, I still have yet to see one solid and concrete reason why Dana/UFC would actually let this fight happen. With 5 fights left on Conor's contract it's not like they are hurting for one single min/max payday. The overall upside potential for the UFC POV simply isn't there.

    Mitrione/Fedor on Bellator Sat night. Should be a fun fight.
     
  27. Phragle

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    How big is Floyd really? He doesn't quite look 5'8 to me. Conor otoh is listed at 5'8 but has a height advantage over most opponents, some of them also listed at 5'8.

    That's not good news for Conor-Floyd

    Not really. Fedor is toast.
     
  28. Vinho Tinto

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    Dave Meltzer figures that GSP's return match will take place between July 4 and September. The likely opponent is Michael Bisping, which gives color to Bisping's slow attempts at defending his title.

    He thinks the latest news about Floyd-Conor is just smoke from Conor.
     
  29. MikeM

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    Maybe I'm just being a homer but it is Fedor and I really can't see that fight playing out to be a 3 round snoozer. Still kinda shocked Bellator went with the putting him in there as the underdog route. Or that Fedor signed off on it for that matter. Pitbull, Kongo, and Koscheck are on the card too. As far as Bellator standards go it's a pretty fun night imo.

    Although there have been random articles here and there over the last few years commenting on GSP's strength/weight gain training, I'm still not sure I see a jump up in weight class to Bisping making the most sense there. Unless he's just gotten too big for Conor.

    Plus it would be a shame to see Romero get passed over. The go fund me troll was a nice touch to the back and forth going on with Bisping:

    https://www.gofundme.com/michael-bisping-retirement-party
     
  30. Marciano490

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    I think people make too much of a big deal about weight in general. It matters in terms of ko's when you're dealing with guys who don't have plus power, but GSP is on such a different skill level than Bisping, it should play no part in the fight.

    I think he's still being trained by Poliquin, who's one of the best S&C minds in the world.
     
  31. Gunfighter 09

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    Strength and conditioning.
     
  33. Phragle

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    There are a bunch of articles stating that GSP can make 155. "If I wanted to, I could fight at lightweight as well," "Easy. Easy."
    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/6/2...ld-easily-fight-at-lightweight-if-i-wanted-to
     
  34. MikeM

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    It's Bisping though, so kind of a meh fight as far as super draws go imo. He's got his fans but I don't see a lot of people taking Bisping that seriously as a "best in the world".

    I think they'd do a better overall job hyping up the winner of Thompson/Woodley. Past vs Present appeal and what not.
     
  35. Vinho Tinto

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    Mitrione pulled out of his fight with Fedor due to illness.. Show starts in 2 hours.
     
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  37. MikeM

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    This night just got a lot less fun.

    Least we still get to see more of the same out of Kosh though. Not a single take down attempt before getting finished on the feet too.
     
  38. Gunfighter 09

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    Apparently a kidney stone, the passing of which Mitrione is sharing with us on Twitter.


    Fedor seemed apologetic rather than angry last night when speaking to the crowd. Passing a kidney stone is the champion for "short term illness no one begrudges you missing a fight over".

    Am I the only person who think the accidental headbut played a huge role in Josh Thomson getting knocked out last night?
     
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  39. EvilEmpire

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    I thought so too. He was rocked and I don't think the cobwebs were cleared before that uppercut came in.
     
  40. djbayko

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    Last night was interesting, capped off by this interview, where Derrick Lewis:
    • Explains it wasn't damage to this body that was causing him to wince in pain - it was the fact that he had to take a dump.
    • Bashes Browne for beating women.
    • Then proceeds to cat call Ronda Rousey's "fine ass".
     
  41. Infield Infidel

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    Cyborg was granted the retroactive TUE.

    Also saw a rumor Roy Jones wants to fight Anderson Silva on the Floyd/McGregor card if it happens
     
  42. Zomp

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    Is Yamasaki going to let someone die in the Octagon? That Lewis - Browne stoppage was one of the worst I've ever seen.
     
  43. Vinho Tinto

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    It's not a coincidence that he and Steve Mazzagatti have featured far less in Nevada.
     
  44. Phragle

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  45. MikeM

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    So between the biggest money MMA money fight on the table with Connor, the opportunity to help better put over a fresher face champion at 170, and essentially throwing yet another bone to Bisping......Dana throws the bone to Bisping. Unless this is the fight GSP himself wanted the most I just don't see it.

    On another note, I'm really looking forward to the Khabib/Tony fight Saturday.
     
  46. EvilEmpire

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    I look forward to GSP beating Bisping. He'll probably make his first middleweight defense against Anderson Silva. What a joke. I blame Luke Rockhold.
     
  47. MikeM

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    Kinda surprised I'm seeing Woodley at +130.
     
  48. Marciano490

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    Thanks for the heads up.
     
  49. Zomp

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    Khabib hospitalized. Has 34 minutes to weigh in.

    I'd still get the card but it would put a serious damper on my excitement.
     
  50. beezer

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    Khabib/Ferguson fight officially called off, he was released from the hospital, but not medically cleared. Sucks, I was much more pumped for that fight than Woodley/Thompson
     

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