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I have a bad memory, but I always thought TO was more funny than anything. Big ego but harmless, right?

And always brought it on the field. Didn't he play in the SB against the Pats on a broken leg, and had a pretty big game?
 

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I have a bad memory, but I always thought TO was more funny than anything. Big ego but harmless, right?

And always brought it on the field. Didn't he play in the SB against the Pats on a broken leg, and had a pretty big game?
My thoughts exactly. He was self-centered 'look at me attention' stuff and maybe a jerk at times. But harmless. I don't even think he was considered a bad teammate. Showed up and balled out. When I think of TO, I think of the popcorn, the pom-pom, the spike at midfield, and the Romo crying meme. But if there is stuff that keeps him out of a fair vote of the hall, I'm missing it.

Again, not making it is one thing, not making the top 10 is beyond explanation. But it was a night where length of career took a back seat to nice and friendly media guys.
 

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Owens should be in the Hall of Fame but he also buried a litany of coaches/QBs in his career.
 

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I have a bad memory, but I always thought TO was more funny than anything. Big ego but harmless, right?

And always brought it on the field. Didn't he play in the SB against the Pats on a broken leg, and had a pretty big game?
Caught 9 passes for 122 yards 6 weeks after breaking his leg. Pats were injury depleted to the point that the secondary was a combination of street free agents, rookies and Troy Brown. If T.O had been 100%, Pats might have lost.
 

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The TO situation just makes it more of an issue next year. He didn't make the top 10 which means he's no lock for next year. But Moss is on the ballot next year and I don't know how you separate the two. You would think they'd want to move TO in before they put Moss in.

Career Yds leaders: Rice, TO, Moss
Career TD's: Rice, Moss, TO
Michael Irvin stabbed a teammate with a pair of scissors over a hair cut but he's in.

Next year Ray "White Suit" Lewis is coming as well.

How can you elect Ray Ray or Moss but not TO because he was an ass?
 

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My thoughts exactly. He was self-centered 'look at me attention' stuff and maybe a jerk at times. But harmless. I don't even think he was considered a bad teammate. Showed up and balled out. When I think of TO, I think of the popcorn, the pom-pom, the spike at midfield, and the Romo crying meme. But if there is stuff that keeps him out of a fair vote of the hall, I'm missing it.

Again, not making it is one thing, not making the top 10 is beyond explanation. But it was a night where length of career took a back seat to nice and friendly media guys.
I'm on Team TO in the HoF, but the bolded flatly announces that you haven't bothered to inform yourself on this issue before posting.
 

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So they elect five players: 1 QB, 2 RBs, a kicker, and only one player from the OL + defensive positions combined. The positional bias in HoF voting is ridiculous.
 

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So they elect five players: 1 QB, 2 RBs, a kicker, and only one player from the OL + defensive positions combined. The positional bias in HoF voting is ridiculous.
2 defensive players were elected ... Taylor and Easley

Last year it was 2 QB, a coach, an owner, two offensive linemen and a linebacker

The year before it was two executives, two offensive linemen, two defenders, a RB and a WR
 

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2 defensive players were elected ... Taylor and Easley

Last year it was 2 QB, a coach, an owner, two offensive linemen and a linebacker

The year before it was two executives, two offensive linemen, two defenders, a RB and a WR
So Core's point was strong.
 

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2 defensive players were elected ... Taylor and Easley

Last year it was 2 QB, a coach, an owner, two offensive linemen and a linebacker

The year before it was two executives, two offensive linemen, two defenders, a RB and a WR
Those numbers look better because Easley, Stanfel, and Tinglehoff all got in via the Seniors Committee.
 

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So what? They get voted on by the same 48 person committee
They get a straight up-or-down vote, without being subject to the 5-person limit rule and competing against players from other positions.

From the modern era (post AAFC merger in 1950), the Hall has elected 32 RBs, 26 QBs, 25 WRs, 8 TEs, 44 OLs, 38 DLs, 27 LBs, and 25 DBs.

There are more offensive skill position players inducted than there are TOTAL defensive players, despite skill position players being only 6/11 of an offense. And there are more than twice as many offensive skill position players as there are offensive linemen.
 

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They get a straight up-or-down vote, without being subject to the 5-person limit rule and competing against players from other positions.

From the modern era (post AAFC merger in 1950), the Hall has elected 32 RBs, 26 QBs, 25 WRs, 8 TEs, 44 OLs, 38 DLs, 27 LBs, and 25 DBs.

There are more offensive skill position players inducted than there are TOTAL defensive players, despite skill position players being only 6/11 of an offense. And there are more than twice as many offensive skill position players as there are offensive linemen.
You made a general statement of bias based on one year's results. I went back the previous two years to show that it was not a trend.

You need to move on
 

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Jesus, you're absolutely right I missed the total exchange. But nine days later? That's rough.
 

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Bill Polian: Neither Moss nor Owens should be in the HOF.
LINK: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/no-randy-moss-no-terrell-owens-bill-polian-says-neither-deserves-hall-of-fame-203013301.html
“First of all, here’s my position: [I want players who] contribute both individually and to the team,” Polian told Judge. “T.O.’s situation, T.O.’s temperament, his ability to contribute to the team was well known up front. He was going to be a problem. We did not want to deal with problem children. Others may. We didn’t.

“That’s number one. Number two, every year in Indianapolis we said the following: ‘The price of admission is 100 percent effort all the time in everything we do.’ Well, how can we take Randy Moss when we make that statement? It’s that simple.”
Polian is yelling at clouds.
 

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My god, he is the Murray Chass of the NFL now, isn't he?

It's not the Hall of Fame now, guys, it's the Hall of Effort! The Hall of Temperament! The Hall of Not-Problem Children! (sidenote: what is with coaches' obsession with choosing terms to talk about players as if they were children? Hearkens to the "we're the ranchers, you're the cattle" days).
 

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My god, he is the Murray Chass of the NFL now, isn't he?

It's not the Hall of Fame now, guys, it's the Hall of Effort! The Hall of Temperament! The Hall of Not-Problem Children! (sidenote: what is with coaches' obsession with choosing terms to talk about players as if they were children? Hearkens to the "we're the ranchers, you're the cattle" days).
I'd like to see a King v Polian debate on what should and shouldn't matter when evaluating an NFL HoFer.
 

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Out of all the Patriot-haters in the media, Polian is easily the worst, which is quite the achievement. What a shithead.
 
I can't believe I'm going to do this, but I have to give some credit to Bill Polian. Not because I agree with him, I don't. But if you've read PFT the past few weeks the overwheling majority of the anti-Owens crowd has been "anonymous voter" or "anonymous former/current NFL GM". Polian (along with fellow dummy, Ron Borges) is one of the few guys that put was willing to put his name on it. It sounds like a lot of guys feel the same way but refuse to go on record.

Oh, and what @Kliq said.
 

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My god, he is the Murray Chass of the NFL now, isn't he?

It's not the Hall of Fame now, guys, it's the Hall of Effort! The Hall of Temperament! The Hall of Not-Problem Children! (sidenote: what is with coaches' obsession with choosing terms to talk about players as if they were children? Hearkens to the "we're the ranchers, you're the cattle" days).
Yes, except it's even worse than Chass because his attitude seems to be prevalent when these candidates are discussed. A good old boy network composed of more than a few cave men with superior attitudes and score-settling sons of bitches who jump ugly based on relationships with the press, who dished and who didn't. But wait until Jeff Fisher comes up.

A HOF without TO and Moss is not a HOF. It's not a HOF.
 

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Are these people discounting the fact that Moss and Owens generally played on good teams for the majority of their careers? Or that their QBs never had better seasons than when they were hooking up with either of them?