I just watch the games.Blacken said:It's always funny when Brick thinks he's psychic.
Brickowski said:And defensively Rondo makes Rubio look like Scotty Pippin.
Pippin had the lateral quickness to dodge many an Orc, but he couldn't keep his hands off a palantir, and kept fouling out.slamminsammya said:
Brickowski said:Rubio is better defensively. Rondo doesn't give a shit on defense unless he can pad his stats by getting a steal.
Basically Rondo vs Rubio is a wash, even down to the fact that they both turned down extensions for more than either one is worth.
In 2011 or 2015?Kliq said:
Seriously, who would you rather have in a playoff game?
Brickowski said:The penalty is that the shortfall is distributed to the other players on the roster. I don't know if they get equal shares or get paid pro rata in accordance with what each one is making.
Blacken said:It's always funny when Brick thinks he's psychic.
Which is not a penalty at all for the owner is paying out the exact same amount of moneyBrickowski said:The penalty is that the shortfall is distributed to the other players on the roster. I don't know if they get equal shares or get paid pro rata in accordance with what each one is making.
He gambles too much, going for steals. He doesn't stay between his man and the basket. Last year he took too many possessions off. He is certainly capable of being a very good perimeter defender, but I don't think he has been that good, at least not recently.zenter said:
.... So? There's a penalty for not making the floor. That it goes to players is a good thing unless you're a billionaire owner of a major US sports team.
I haven't watched enough Rubio to speak to his defense, but the claim that Rondo is lazy on D is simply wrong. I know this because I, too, watch the games. And also because many people smarter than me say he's a good-to-very good perimeter defender.
Agreed on the penalty not really being a penalty.zenter said:
.... So? There's a penalty for not making the floor. That it goes to players is a good thing unless you're a billionaire owner of a major US sports team.
I haven't watched enough Rubio to speak to his defense, but the claim that Rondo is lazy on D is simply wrong. I know this because I, too, watch the games. And also because many people smarter than me say he's a good-to-very good perimeter defender.
They lied to you.zenter said:I haven't watched enough Rubio to speak to his defense, but the claim that Rondo is lazy on D is simply wrong. I know this because I, too, watch the games. And also because many people smarter than me say he's a good-to-very good perimeter defender.
Why? To lead them to 12th in the West?ifmanis5 said:When Lin gets hurt in two months Lakers will be begging for Rondo.
Cellar-Door said:Why? To lead them to 12th in the West?
I thought it was his airball layup in the first quarter or slingshot brick on his elbow jumper late that would have made it a one-possession game. Overall I thought he played ok but he's so easy to defend when teams don't have to be keyed in on other elite scorers.ifmanis5 said:I think Rondo's no-look whip pass to the first row in the last minute of the game last night pretty well sums up why a lot of people on this board are happy to move on from him.
However, if that team has a $5 million player and a $1 million trade exception from a previous trade, it cannot add the trade exception to the 125% plus $100,000 margin from their $5 million player ($6.35 million), in order to trade for a player making $7 million. This cannot be done, as it would invoke using two exceptions on the same player.
Amen. Rondo is far from perfect, but he has played the exact offense Stevens has wanted him to play, moving the ball and looking to push it aggressively. He has also been trying harder on defense to my eyes and aggressively crashing the boards. He makes some absolutely idiotic plays, like the aforementioned whipped turnover in the final seconds last night, but I find it hard to believe people think the bad has outweighed the good so far this year. If we could get Stauskas, the Kings #1 pick and for them to take Gerald Wallace? I'd do it tomorrow of course, but the idea that not a single team in the NBA would trade "anything of value" for him? I think that's focusing wholly on his warts and his moodiness and ignoring the rest of his game.zenter said:Yeah, it really sucks that this guy with a half-broken hand (and could be defended thusly) on a team of role players wasn't amazing.
I got home to see the second half and you know what I didn't see? A guy handling the ball for 18 seconds waiting for off-ball routes to complete, and then passing to the eventual end-of-clock shooter. Given that this is one of the main critiques in this thread is that he's no longer capable of playing a faster game, I'm a little disappointed at the lack of lauds for his adapting to a new system.
It's almost as if critics want reasons to dislike him.
Rajon is running his coaches system as a complementary player while shooting a career low and turning the way over at a career high without being a turnstile defensively in a contract year. Kudos to you sir.zenter said:Yeah, it really sucks that this guy with a half-broken hand (and could be defended thusly) on a team of role players wasn't amazing.
I got home to see the second half and you know what I didn't see? A guy handling the ball for 18 seconds waiting for off-ball routes to complete, and then passing to the eventual end-of-clock shooter. Given that this is one of the main critiques in this thread is that he's no longer capable of playing a faster game, I'm a little disappointed at the lack of lauds for his adapting to a new system.
It's almost as if critics want reasons to dislike him.
The poster wanted props based on 3 games what else is there to go on but those 3 games. It was interesting at best timing to reach out for some Rondo love but I did the best I could with the sample size we have.Rudy Pemberton said:You're referencing his shooting % based on 3 games? Really?
I think what we've learned about Rondo is that if he's the best player on your team, than your team is pretty horrible. But we all know that, don't we?
It actually wouldn't shock me, to be honest. If the cap is set to jump to the low 80s in 2 years, it wouldn't shock me if a couple of teams that otherwise struggle to attract FAs justified overpaying Rondo knowing that he won't be a true max 2 years from now.ALiveH said:NBA teams seem like they're getting smarter. It would be pretty shocking if he got a max or near-max contract from anyone, right?
What do you consider near-max?ALiveH said:NBA teams seem like they're getting smarter. It would be pretty shocking if he got a max or near-max contract from anyone, right?
HomeRunBaker said:The poster wanted props based on 3 games what else is there to go on but those 3 games. It was interesting at best timing to reach out for some Rondo love but I did the best I could with the sample size we have.
Grin&MartyBarret said:It actually wouldn't shock me, to be honest. If the cap is set to jump to the low 80s in 2 years, it wouldn't shock me if a couple of teams that otherwise struggle to attract FAs justified overpaying Rondo knowing that he won't be a true max 2 years from now.
It's always excuse after excuse. Rondo tosses up a right-handed airball layup (2 in 3 games) it's because his left hand isn't recovered. He turns the ball over repeatedly on errant passes with his right hand.....it's because his left hand is injured and he's playing to the pace Stevens wants. Last year he didn't break a sweat as opposing 1's got wherever they wanted......his knee isn't right. His former head coach, one day a HOF coach, along with his GM publicly call him stubborn.....they are wrong because Rondo does what his coach asks with mixed results.zenter said:
The "poster" was commenting on the general tenor of critics. It's borderline "Manny doesn't care" insanity, divorced from reality and conveniently ignoring context or facts when it doesn't suit.
There isn't a person here who would say Rondo is a perfect player or deserves a break because of who he is or what he has done. On the other hand (the broken one), we shouldn't set him up for failure by 1) creating unrealistic expectations, 2) faulting him for not reaching them, and 3) dismissing the things he did do well. At bare minimum, it's unconvincing.
He had some bad passes, yes. He took some tremendously bad shots, yes. None of this is particularly new, but it sure seemed exacerbated by the fact that he's more or less one-handed (which is obvious to anyone watching 2 minutes of his play).
However... The central critique of Rondo that he's so stubborn that he refuses to play in a sped-up system? The critics are wrong. At the very least, he can when injured. This alone raises questions about the other vehement unsubstantiated claims critiques make about Rondo. Whether you like him or not, this this flexibility also makes Rondo valuable to the Celtics as trade bait or as core component.
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As a point of information, the low 80s is (I believe) if the smoothing proposals are accepted. If not, it could leap from 70-something to 90-something in a single year, which makes Rondo for 18M suddenly look cheap.
HomeRunBaker said:It's always excuse after excuse.
ALiveH said:so maybe a $60/4 contract would actually not be crazy given the salary cap ramp.
It's crazy to think he'd accept that.ALiveH said:so maybe a $60/4 contract would actually not be crazy given the salary cap ramp.
ifmanis5 said:Kings and Rockets off to good starts kinda of takes out two good landing spots. It's gone about as badly as it go in terms of moving him- injuries to Rondo, lack of legit trading partners etc.
I'd say the opposite where the Kings are concerned, their start probably makes it more likely that they make a call on Rondo. Their new ownership group wants to make the playoffs, so adding talent is still probably important to them.ifmanis5 said:Kings and Rockets off to good starts kinda of takes out two good landing spots. It's gone about as badly as it go in terms of moving him- injuries to Rondo, lack of legit trading partners etc.
What would be an offer for Rondo that would work from the Kings? Stauskas and next years 1st? More? Less? Reason why I thibk it might be more is that the owner clearly wants to make the playoffs, backcourt is terrible, and Rondo is Boogie Cousins approved (see BS Report he was on) so he has a lot of value to themswingin val said:And the Kings backcourt is absolutely atrocious.
Current PER
Sessions -0.1
McLemore 0.7
Stauskas 0.8
swingin val said:And the Kings backcourt is absolutely atrocious.
Current PER
Sessions -0.1
McLemore 0.7
Stauskas 0.8