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The Blue Jays have struck a late-breaking deal to acquire lefty Francisco Lirianofrom the Pirates, as Robert Murray of Fan Rag tweets. There are two prospects heading to Pittsburgh in the deal Shi Davidi of Sportsnet.ca tweets.
Hmm. He's been pretty awful this season, hasn't he? K rate is good, but BB rate and WHIP are really, really bad, and that's in the NL Central. I guess they need a starter for Sanchez when he goes back to the pen, but Liriano wouldn't make me too happy if he came this way.
 

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Maybe I'm missing something about the Jays roster but why didn't they just stretch Chavez or Hutchinson out if they needed a starter. Liriano stinks.

E- those guys pretty much stink too, but still
 

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I'm also happy they didn't sell low on Swihart. Lost year for him in 2016, but I expect he will be back in a more positive light next year and beyond.
 

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The Jays will also receive Pirates outfield prospect Harold Ramirez in the deal, Stephen A. Nesbitt of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette tweets. The inclusion of the highly-rated Ramirez comes as a bit of a surprise, and suggests fairly strongly that the key to the Pirates’ end of the deal hasn’t yet been reported, unless the main point of the deal was to unload Liriano’s 201 salary. The 21-year-old Ramirez was batting .306/.354/.401 for Double-A Altoona. He has a stocky build and hasn’t yet developed much home-run power, but is relatively close to the Majors at a young age and has always hit well for average. MLB.com ranks him the Pirates’ ninth-best prospect.
 

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Hmm. He's been pretty awful this season, hasn't he? K rate is good, but BB rate and WHIP are really, really bad, and that's in the NL Central. I guess they need a starter for Sanchez when he goes back to the pen, but Liriano wouldn't make me too happy if he came this way.
Hopefully he has a couple of chances to make Sox hitters happy before the season is out.
 

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I saw him play a few times last year at AT & T and was impressed. You probably more so. I thought he was really well liked by the team and the fan base. You think that this was a fair swap?
Duffy had a really good year last year and came in second for ROY. He was very popular and had the best nickname on the team since Panda left (Duffman, of course). This year, he wasn't hitting so well, got hurt a couple of times (still out) and the Giants got rid of him. They are pretty ruthless that way except for Matt Cain. Well, his contract and nobody'd want him he's been hurt so much. Back to the Sox, or I get accused of being a Giants fan.
 

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Duffy had a really good year last year and came in second for ROY. He was very popular and had the best nickname on the team since Panda left (Duffman, of course). This year, he wasn't hitting so well, got hurt a couple of times (still out) and the Giants got rid of him. They are pretty ruthless that way except for Matt Cain. Well, his contract and nobody'd want him he's been hurt so much. Back to the Sox, or I get accused of being a Giants fan.
Sounds like they could use a new third baseman. Just so happens the Red Sox might have one available come this winter. A match made in heaven (along with 30m going the other way).
 

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I'm also happy they didn't sell low on Swihart. Lost year for him in 2016, but I expect he will be back in a more positive light next year and beyond.
At the very least, there's now real evidence that Buchholz and Price didn't throw those stinkers just because Swihart was catching.
 

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I'll bite. What's your ranking?

Hanigan has a club option at $3.75m, but I don't think he'll be here, insofar as he has a .450 OPS.
Leon is out of options, so his disposition probably depends on how he ends the season with the bat. I expect him to be the backup, or be dealt.
Vazquez I expect to see in AAA, unless Leon is dealt.
It's obviously Leon's spot to lose, but Vazquez is in AAA because of his option, not his bat. If they were letting offense alone dictate their active catchers, Hanigan would be off the team. I think Vaz still slots in above Swihart for primary C, though if Sandy doesn't regress I could see Swihart playing backup and splitting time elsewhere if Hanigan is moved.
 

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Is it really overpaying when everyone is doing it?
In this light, how are we all feeling about Dombrowski's trades?

ACQUIRED: LHP Drew Pomeranz (from Padres), RHP Brad Ziegler (from Diamondbacks), INF Aaron Hill (from Brewers), LHP Fernando Abad (from Twins), INF Michael Martinez (from Indians)
TRADED: RHP Anderson Espinoza (to Padres), RHP Pat Light (to Twins), RHP Aaron Wilkerson (to Brewers), INF Wendell Rijo (to Brewers), INF Luis Alejandro Basabe (to Diamondbacks), RHP Jose Almonte (to Diamondbacks)
My two cents: Espinoza is the real loss. But as we look at the price paid for other pitchers, I think it looks pretty good. We read that Oakland's ask for Rich Hill, for example, was also Espinoza, which seemed absurd, but even so, they netted a really interesting trio of pitching prospects for Hill and Reddick.

A ton of the starting pitchers moved were in the midst of terrible seasons: Niese, Bolsinger, Nolasco, Nova, Liriano, Hutchison. These players would not have represented upgrades. The decent pitchers moved were Matt Moore (to the Giants) and Rich Hill (to the Dodgers). I don't think any of those deals were a better value than Espinoza for Pomeranz. (Also Hector Santiago to the Twins, however you want to categorize that.)

The bullpen deals (from Abad to Ziegler) also represent excellent value, even if they were clearly mid-tier buys. So I'd say he did well.
 

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It's obviously Leon's spot to lose
I think 'obviously' is overstating it. He's had 100 nice plate appearances, but still has two months to revert back to the hitter he's been for his entire minor and major league career before this year.
 

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OK, the Pirates have officially jumped the shark. Trading Liriano AND Harold Ramirez AND Reese McGuire (you know, 2 top 10 prospects in the Pirates system) for Drew Hutchinson. Trading Liriano for Hutchinson is almost a push. So they dealt 2 prospects to get Toronto to take on the entire salary. And how much was that salary? ~$5 million this year and $13 million next year. YOU DEAL 2 PROSPECTS FOR A PIDDLING $18M IN SALARY RELIEF??? WTF??
 

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I think 'obviously' is overstating it. He's had 100 nice plate appearances, but still has two months to revert back to the hitter he's been for his entire minor and major league career before this year.
Well, he changed his hitting methods substantially during winter ball, so I think it's more like we have two months to figure out who he is now. If regresses to be a sub .250 hitter, then sure, Vazquez probably takes his job back once we can find him a new home. Like I said, his to lose.
 

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Curious who the best prospects dealt were? Anyone have a take on that? I don't know prospects well enough to sort them out.
 

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OK, the Pirates have officially jumped the shark. Trading Liriano AND Harold Ramirez AND Reese McGuire (you know, 2 top 10 prospects in the Pirates system) for Drew Hutchinson. Trading Liriano for Hutchinson is almost a push. So they dealt 2 prospects to get Toronto to take on the entire salary. And how much was that salary? ~$5 million this year and $13 million next year. YOU DEAL 2 PROSPECTS FOR A PIDDLING $18M IN SALARY RELIEF??? WTF??
Drew Hutchison is a lot like Liriano from a couple years ago before the Pirates staff turned him around. He's not nothing.
 

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Curious who the best prospects dealt were? Anyone have a take on that? I don't know prospects well enough to sort them out.
According to the latest mlb.com list, four of the guys ranked between #20-#24 moved, Espinoza for Pomeranz, Brinson from TEX for Lucroy, Frazier and Torres to NY for Miller and Chapman. I think those were the highest to move.

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016
 

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OK, the Pirates have officially jumped the shark. Trading Liriano AND Harold Ramirez AND Reese McGuire (you know, 2 top 10 prospects in the Pirates system) for Drew Hutchinson. Trading Liriano for Hutchinson is almost a push. So they dealt 2 prospects to get Toronto to take on the entire salary. And how much was that salary? ~$5 million this year and $13 million next year. YOU DEAL 2 PROSPECTS FOR A PIDDLING $18M IN SALARY RELIEF??? WTF??
Cole, Hutchinson, Glasnow,Tailon, and .... Ivan Nova ... well, that could be a really good cost-controlled top-4.

The Pirates must think Hutchinson's 2014 was for real, and that they can bring it back.
 

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The A's have done a nice job adding pitchers this year: Puk (in the draft), Holmes, and Montas. Healy is a really good hitting prospect and they have Barreto as well. It'll take a few years, but the A's are moving in the right direction.

I'm convinced that the Mets are playing "money ball" by exploiting what they believe is a market inefficiency: good offensive players who suck at defense are under-valued in today's market.

I like the Tate acquisition for the Yankees. If Tate doesn't make it as a starter, he has the raw stuff to develop into a shutdown reliever. A high ceiling prospect, and thus a great return for Beltran. With Beltran gone, the Yankees might want to play A-Rod everyday for the rest of the season to see if he can produce offensively or if he should be released at the end of the season.

The Brewers got a pretty good return for Lucroy. The Red Sox probably could have acquired him without giving up Moncada or Benintendi, but it may have cost them Devers and Kopech or Devers and Swihart.

I'm looking foward to Benintendi's promotion, it should come sometime this month.
 

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The A's have done a nice job adding pitchers this year: Puk (in the draft), Holmes, and Montas. Healy is a really good hitting prospect and they have Barreto as well. It'll take a few years, but the A's are moving in the right direction.

I'm convinced that the Mets are playing "money ball" by exploiting what they believe is a market inefficiency: good offensive players who suck at defense are under-valued in today's market.

I like the Tate acquisition for the Yankees. If Tate doesn't make it as a starter, he has the raw stuff to develop into a shutdown reliever. A high ceiling prospect, and thus a great return for Beltran. With Beltran gone, the Yankees might want to play A-Rod everyday for the rest of the season to see if he can produce offensively or if he should be released at the end of the season.

The Brewers got a pretty good return for Lucroy. The Red Sox probably could have acquired him without giving up Moncada or Benintendi, but it may have cost them Devers and Kopech or Devers and Swihart.

I'm looking foward to Benintendi's promotion, it should come sometime this month.
or maybe tomorrow
 

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In this light, how are we all feeling about Dombrowski's trades?
I'm feeling good about Dombrowski's moves. Pomeranz for Espinoza still stings a little, but not so much now given that it's clear that the White Sox were asking for a ridiculous haul for Sale or Quintana. We know that Dave was in extensive negotiations with Chicago so I'm confident that he gave it his best shot but would not overpay. I fully support this and I'm very happy that Benintendi and Moncada (and even Devers and Kopech) were not sacrificed for this push. We all want to see Papi go out on top and the Sox are definitely a team that could have a deep October run in them, but this is not a juggernaut that is one starter or position player away from a certain WS berth. Dombrowski has done his job, now it's up to our talented roster to do theirs.
 

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Dombrowski has done his job, now it's up to our talented roster to do theirs.
I have to agree. The rotation and starting lineup as a whole is as talented as any team in the AL except perhaps Cleveland. There isn't a single major injury to either group. The bullpen for all of it's injuries should still be stronger than most given Kimbrel's return, the recent additions of Ziggy and Abad and what's left of the rest once the dust settles. Could DD have done more? Sure but at what cost? I think he showed good restraint at the deadline. There's enough here to compete for the pennant and hopefully two ninth inning, one run wins on the road helps infuse and ignite this potent offense that has been a bit Jekyll and Hyde.
 

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Drew Hutchison is a lot like Liriano from a couple years ago before the Pirates staff turned him around. He's not nothing.
Very true but I would still but I still would have taken Liriano and he probably would have cost much much less than Pomeranz did and has a better track record.
 

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Sounds like White Sox GM Rich Hahn is frustrated with Dombrowski not offering more for Sale and Quintana.

Hahn considered serious offers from the Dodgers, Red Sox and Rangers for Sale and Quintana. The rest of the roster didn’t generate the type of young, contract-controllable players back who would move Hahn and company to pull the trigger on a deal.

“There were certainly some offers that, if a certain club made a different decision on a package or targets they were holding back, things could have progressed more quickly,” Hahn said. “That could have helped in the end, leading to a deal.”
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/08/01/levine-hahn-frustrated-after-no-deals-materialize-for-white-sox/
 

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Very true but I would still but I still would have taken Liriano and he probably would have cost much much less than Pomeranz did and has a better track record.
Yes, the bad expensive 32 year old pitcher probably would have cost less than the good cost controlled 27 year old pitcher, agree with you there.

Logic? I mean, I literally posted in absolutes, but clearly it isn't an absolute that's what happened.

But it certainly makes sense to reach that conclusion without making leaps.

Actually think he might have asked for Betts for Sale
 

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“There were certainly some offers that, if a certain club made a different decision on a package or targets they were holding back, things could have progressed more quickly,” Hahn said. “That could have helped in the end, leading to a deal.”

I always love quotes such as this. It basically breaks down to "the other team wouldn't do what we wanted, so it's their fault." It always sounds like face-saving, but it comes across as whiny.