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I remember a time when Patrick Chung was a massive liability and found himself on another team. Can't really remember how he did when he came back though, does anyone remember?
 

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I remember a time when Patrick Chung was a massive liability and found himself on another team. Can't really remember how he did when he came back though, does anyone remember?
I remember him being utilized much closer to the line and being used more in man to man matchups against bigger receivers and TEs when he came back, which allowed him to thrive because he struggled in space when utilized as a traditional safety in his first stint here. Collins wasn't a good coverage linebacker with the Pats and the Pats need a good coverage linebacker, so if he can come back and contribute as a pass rusher or in another role, that'd be great, but not really what I'd eat his salary for.
 

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How is Jamie Collins' situation similar to Chung's and what about this similarity indicates a similar outcome?
It's not. Chung signed a one year deal back in 2014 for like $1M with hardly any money guaranteed and Collins would require sending a valuable pick and using up even more valuable cap space. Their two situations are completely different other than on a high level "former player comes back for a second stint" kind of way.
 

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Chung comparisons are, frankly and excuse the language, horseshit. Chung was let go for not performing; he came back and has been better exactly because BB (as he has admitted) and the coaching staff acknowledged they were using him incorrectly in their schemes.

Collins was traded because he wouldnt follow assignments, was ignoring responsibilities and had off field issues.

If someone has tape that he’s learned his role please provide it.
 

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How is Jamie Collins' situation similar to Chung's and what about this similarity indicates a similar outcome?
The fact that the Patriots are thinking about it? If that's the case then they clearly think that he may no longer have the problems he did before.
 

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The fact that the Patriots are thinking about it? If that's the case then they clearly think that he may no longer have the problems he did before.
Or Jamie Collins even with the same problems as before may still be a better solution then what they currently have at Linebacker. We don't know their evaluations but if they think Jamie Collins was and would still be a "B-" but their current group is a "D+" then he represents an upgrade, warts and all.
 

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The fact that the Patriots are thinking about it? If that's the case then they clearly think that he may no longer have the problems he did before.
Look, I’m all for addressing the situation and have stated it repeatedly. But Howe typing it is pretty tough for me to consider more than clicks.

- he has a noted history and was traded because of attitude and not ‘doing his job’
- his salary eats up almost or all of available cap space
- his salary going forward is no picnic
- there’s no reason to think the Pats would know he no longer has his issues; I find it difficult to believe he went to Cleveland’s shit show and suddenly learned how to be a Patriot.

If he came to Jesus, sure. If he’s the same guy I have a hard time buying they’d even think about it beyond their normal cursory examination of options.
 

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I’m pretty sure I agree with that. And I’m not on a Collins bandwagon and have no idea if Howe is tweeting clickbait.

But as to whether or not he’s better on the field, it’s possible someone in Pats FO has looked at the game film.

My post was simply a “eh, maybe he’s figured shit out” and not a “trade for him now!”
 

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Now watch them deal for Garçon.

I’d love the HR threat of D Jax, but he doesn’t block a lick.
 

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Source: Hearing some rumors of a potential Dont’a Hightower for Golden Tate trade, pending physical. Don’t shoot the messenger. Rumors swirling. Hightower a healthy scratch tonight.
He was listed as questionable on yesterday’s injury report with a knee injury. That report would be a lot more credible if anyone else reported that Hightower was a healthy scratch but what’s known to us now suggests the exact opposite.
 

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He was listed as questionable on yesterday’s injury report with a knee injury. That report would be a lot more credible if anyone else reported that Hightower was a healthy scratch but what’s known to us now suggests the exact opposite.
Jeff Howe termed his deactivation as a surprise. Hes not a healthy scratch but his injury wasn't supposed to keep him out either.
 

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I know less about football than anyone in the Pats FO. That said, isn't trading a LB for a WR a case of making a weak group weaker to make a (relatively) strong group stronger?
 

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They’re not taking a 7.5m dead cap but just for shits. This rumor makes no sense.
 

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I know less about football than anyone in the Pats FO. That said, isn't trading a LB for a WR a case of making a weak group weaker to make a (relatively) strong group stronger?
Yes. Though I’m not sure I’d call the WR group particularly strong. If Gordon sparks a bowl tonight, he’s out of the league.
 

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They’re not taking a 7.5m dead cap but just for shits. This rumor makes no sense.
It makes sense if they are floating it out there so other teams (Lions?) know they're looking at other WRs
 

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Even with a healthy Michel they need help. White has been injured in the past and his workload has been huge. I don't want these guys to run out or steam come playoff time.
As far as NFL players go White has been relatively injury-free. He’s only missed 4 games in last 4 seasons.

He’s also on pace for 180-200 touches. It’s a lot for him but not actually a heavy workload.
 

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As far as NFL players go White has been relatively injury-free. He’s only missed 4 games in last 4 seasons.

He’s also on pace for 180-200 touches. It’s a lot for him but not actually a heavy workload.
Last year he started off scorching hot and then did pretty much nothing after the bye. He's carried the offense thus far and I don't want to risk the same thing happening in 2018.
 

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May be unfair since they already landed Gordon but I'm going to be kind of disappointed if the Pats don't come away with an impact player today. Seems like more solid players are available this year.
 

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Bruce Irvin has been not great this year, but he has no guarantee after this season and is allegedly available for a late round pick might be a decent flyer for a situational pass rusher
 

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As far as NFL players go White has been relatively injury-free. He’s only missed 4 games in last 4 seasons.
It's even better than that; two of those missed games were healthy scratches early in 2015 before he established himself. IIRC, before he missed a couple games last year, he had never even been limited in practice.
 

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Is it generally considered that Burkhead is out for the year or is there hope he returns? He's been brittle with the NEP and even if he comes back there's no assurance that he remains healthy (in fact, he'll likely get hurt again), but I wonder if adding Michel and Burkhead is what the team is thinking, which means they are not focused on RB at the deadline
 

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Is it generally considered that Burkhead is out for the year or is there hope he returns? He's been brittle with the NEP and even if he comes back there's no assurance that he remains healthy (in fact, he'll likely get hurt again), but I wonder if adding Michel and Burkhead is what the team is thinking, which means they are not focused on RB at the deadline
There were a couple of reports from Reiss that seemed to indicate that Burkhead could be activated when he is eligible in Week 12. However, those reports were right after he went on IR, and there's been the usual amount of information forthcoming from the team about their injured players. I personally think it's a bit of a long shot; he was concussed Week 1, then came back and went out with what was termed a neck injury.

OTOH, Bentley, also eligible to return on Week 12, traveled with the team to Chicago and was reported to be doing some individual drills (which are allowed). Reiss seemed to originally think Bentley was done, but, again, that was early on. With Dawson having already been designated and likely to be activated in time for Green Bay, the Pats can activate only one of Burkhead or Bentley. Bentley looked somewhat promising in his limited audition early this season, and with LB arguably being a bigger need than RB, it's possible that the Pats could designate Bentley in a couple of weeks and look on the scrap pile for another RB.
 

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I think the problem with RB is that they're in a weird no-man's land. Ideally they would add somebody who's significantly better than Barner or a guy like Kenneth Farrow, but they don't need a starter when Michel is healthy, and White has the third-down back role locked down, so how much are they really going to pay?
 

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On Jamie Collins:

"Linebacker Jamie Collins of the Cleveland Browns has been discussed in trade talks with the New England Patriots. Patriots traded Collins to the Browns just two years ago. (Jeff Howe, The Athletic)"

(https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/10/29/nfl-trade-deadline-rumors-news-updates)
Now watch them deal for Garçon.

I’d love the HR threat of D Jax, but he doesn’t block a lick.
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Source: Hearing some rumors of a potential Dont’a Hightower for Golden Tate trade, pending physical. Don’t shoot the messenger. Rumors swirling. Hightower a healthy scratch tonight.
Bruce Irvin has been not great this year, but he has no guarantee after this season and is allegedly available for a late round pick might be a decent flyer for a situational pass rusher
Rapaport says the Patriots may also trade a WR today. Hogan and Dorsett were mentioned.
Will anyone here be surprised four hours from now (it's 4pm EST, right?) when the deadline comes and goes and we don't get anyone at all, much less a "premium wide receiver"? I'd be more surprised if any of these actually *did* happen.
 

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Will anyone here be surprised four hours from now (it's 4pm EST, right?) when the deadline comes and goes and we don't get anyone at all, much less a "premium wide receiver"? I'd be more surprised if any of these actually *did* happen.
Yes, I would be surprised if literally nothing happened. Belichick likes to tinker and he has real needs and apparently a decent supply of teams looking to dump guys.

I would be surprised if we landed a big piece like a Demaryius or something but a small deal for some situational defensive player wouldn’t surprise me.
 

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No because what they do is always situational — “it depends.”

Some media people are treating this like childbirth, though, and will be really disappointed if nothing materializes. Hightower to Detroit was quite something.
 

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I wonder what the Patriots disinformation organizational chart looks like. Just the past 24 hours -- Gordon won't start, DH could be traded, every receiver out there is coming in ... etc, etc

It's as though there are different "sources" responsible for feeding this stuff to various reporters. I hope they have a drinking game for mentions, or at least a free dinner if their "inside info" makes it onto the air
 

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No because what they do is always situational — “it depends.”

Some media people are treating this like childbirth, though, and will be really disappointed if nothing materializes. Hightower to Detroit was quite something.
Yup. It all depends on pricing. Pats won’t panic and make moves just to make moves. But guys are definitely available, maybe moreso than in past years. And the fact that the Pats haven’t had a bye yet works in their favor as they have an extra week to integrate any new guys in a couple weeks. They also have the draft capital to make a move.

Fitz is obviously coming but who knows after that?
 

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Yup. It all depends on pricing. Pats won’t panic and make moves just to make moves. But guys are definitely available, maybe moreso than in past years. And the fact that the Pats haven’t had a bye yet works in their favor as they have an extra week to integrate any new guys in a couple weeks. They also have the draft capital to make a move.

Fitz is obviously coming but who knows after that?
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I think the problem with RB is that they're in a weird no-man's land. Ideally they would add somebody who's significantly better than Barner or a guy like Kenneth Farrow, but they don't need a starter when Michel is healthy, and White has the third-down back role locked down, so how much are they really going to pay?
It would be a chance for a young player or journey man to put some performance on tape vs. NFL defenses. There is value in that for fringe guys, even if it's just a short-term opportunity. Throw in Michel's knee issues and Burkhead's injury history and you have additional upside hanging around the Pats roster.

The trade off though is who do you cut from the 53 man roster i guess.