Trade Deadline Chatter and Notes

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They’re really shallow at WR long-term so that makes some sense.

But devil is in the details re: what a ‘high pick’ or ‘premium WR’ mean.
 

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Jay Glazer reports that the Patriots are offering high picks for a premium wide receiver.
Yeah that report seemed very curious, especially with how well the offense has been and how bad the defense has been.
I am interested to see more information about this. I guess most of it has to do with the future of the WR position (i.e., past 2018).
 

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Yeah that report seemed very curious, especially with how well the offense has been and how bad the defense has been.
I am interested to see more information about this. I guess most of it has to do with the future of the WR position (i.e., past 2018).
The only receiver under 30 they have meaningful control over past this year is Gordon, who is an RFA.

Dorsett and Hogan are FA, Edelman will be 33, and Patterson is a WR in name only.

Moreover, Gronk is year to year from a retirement perspective, and you’ve got nothing behind him on the TE depth chart in terms of a reliable pass catcher (Hollister can’t stay on the field).
 

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The only receiver under 30 they have meaningful control over past this year is Gordon, who is an RFA.

Dorsett and Hogan are FA, Edelman will be 33, and Patterson is a WR in name only.

Moreover, Gronk is year to year from a retirement perspective, and you’ve got nothing behind him on the TE depth chart in terms of a reliable pass catcher (Hollister can’t stay on the field).
Yeah, I knew the status of control after 2018. That is why I am curious about the report. I wasn't aware of any good young WRs being on the trade block.
Should be interesting to see what they do.

Edit: The young WR part was my emphasis. The report was just that the Pats are interested in a "premium wide receiver". There was no mention of age.
But as illustrated by MM's post. The issue is the Pats don't have many WR <30 under control for future seasons.
 

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Wonder if Sterling Shephard would be available as the G-Men restructure, bank draft picks, and have long-term commitments to OBJ and Barkley. G-Men have some depth at WR but have to rebuild O-line and the D.
 

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Yeah, I knew the status of control after 2018. That is why I am curious about the report. I wasn't aware of any good young WRs being on the trade block.
Should be interesting to see what they do.

Edit: The young WR part was my emphasis. The report was just that the Pats are interested in a "premium wide receiver". There was no mention of age.
But as illustrated by MM's post. The issue is the Pats don't have many WR <30 under control for future seasons.
Yeah, just putting more meat on the bone, I got you
 

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Given Glazer's TB ties this says to me they made a run at Mike Evans.
Does Desean Jackson still qualify as a premium wide receiver? He could probably be had relatively cheaply, and would provide a solid deep option and special teams returner.
 

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This makes sense if they believe this might be the last above average Gronk year. They’ve invested in the line and drafted Michel but there’s not much else to build on beyond 2018.
 

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Does Desean Jackson still qualify as a premium wide receiver? He could probably be had relatively cheaply, and would provide a solid deep option and special teams returner.
I thought the Glazer report was that the Patriots were offering "high draft choices for a premium WR".
I guess it all depends on one's definition of "high" draft picks, but when I hear that, I think 1st or 2nd round pick.
I would think Jackson would be a better target for a mid-round pick due to his age.
 

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But isn’t that what made the report so interesting? Pats are looking to part with high draft picks for premium wide receiver.
Who realistically fits that bill? There are older, good wide receivers, but they probably aren’t worth high draft picks anymore.
Evans (mentioned up thread) would seem to be an interesting possibility, but I have no idea if he actually available.
But that would be the age (mid-twenties) I think the Pats would target if they are giving up high draft capital.
Also, based on past trades (i.e., Cooks, Shelton, etc.), the Pats could look at a player coming up on the end of his rookie deal.
 

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I don’t think Thomas makes much sense on the Pats. Not a great route runner and drops easy passes all the time.
 

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Does Desean Jackson still qualify as a premium wide receiver? He could probably be had relatively cheaply, and would provide a solid deep option and special teams returner.
I don't think he was ever a premium WR. He's a one trick pony -- an older / worse version of the guy we traded just 6-7 months ago.

Mike Evans makes sense. Premium, young, and the Buccs are going fucking no where any time soon. Could see the Pats doing soemthing like a 2nd for it


I could also see Jordy Nelson though for just like a conditional 6th or something.
 

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Mike Evans just signed a big contract this offseason. Don’t think TB even considers trading him and don’t know how they’d do it even if they wanted to.
 

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Mike Evans just signed a big contract this offseason. Don’t think TB even considers trading him and don’t know how they’d do it even if they wanted to.
Yeah, pretty sure the numbers don't work for either team in regards to Evans--wouldn't he be a dead cap hit of $20M for TB?
 

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Deone Buchanon is on the block from Arizona. Pats can afford him and he’d be just what they need. Hybrid LB/Safety guy.
 

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Looking through a list Doug Baldwin looked interesting but he’s 30. He’s not core to what the Seahawks have been doing, but doubt he’d be worth a premium pick.
 

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I just can’t get over the difficulty in someone coming in at WR at this point and being that much of a different maker this season. That would be why you’d do this now, right? Then why pay such a high price (a “high draft choice”)? It doesn’t make sense.
 

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I just can’t get over the difficulty in someone coming in at WR at this point and being that much of a different maker this season. That would be why you’d do this now, right? Then why pay such a high price (a “high draft choice”)? It doesn’t make sense.
It wouldn’t be a rental, I’d expect.
 

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Yeah, if the report is true, it's just as much for next year+ as this year.
 

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Odell Beckham would also qualify if the Giants really want to push the reset button. Like Evans, salary cap issues would be hard to overcome due to his signing bonus on new contract.
 

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Jeff Howe reporting Pats having internal discussions on a Jamie Collins deal.
 

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Jeff Howe reporting Pats having internal discussions on a Jamie Collins deal.
He's got the prorated remainder of $10.625 MM in guaranteed salary for this year; I imagine they'd need that altered somehow (by CLE or renegotiated deal) to make this work.

I don't know what to make of the WR reports. They really don't need another guy in the Hogan / Dorsett tier; it just doesn't help that much. The needs are more long-term than short-term ... but who is making a long-term solution available? Their willingness to trade a first for Cooks shows they see the value and need at the position, but if they weren't willing to sign Cooks to big money, are they really willing to take on another expensive guy?

Thomas and Sanders both make sense from the standpoint of being reasonably priced for 2018, reasonably likely to integrate quickly, and under contract for 2019.
 

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So, basically what it says in the posts just before yours?
Basically, but not exactly. DrewDawg said that Howe reported that the Pats were having "internal discussions" regarding Collins. So I thought that actually citing a report would add to the conversation. The link I cited didn't speak of "internal discussions" but seemed to imply that the Pats and Browns have actually talked about Collins.

If that bothers you that I posted that, oh well.
 

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Basically, but not exactly. DrewDawg said that Howe reported that the Pats were having "internal discussions" regarding Collins. So I thought that actually citing a report would add to the conversation. The link I cited didn't speak of "internal discussions" but seemed to imply that the Pats and Browns have actually talked about Collins.

If that bothers you that I posted that, oh well.
I think SI wrote it up incorrectly.

Your link from SI is referencing back to the Jeff Howe piece which says only that the Pats have discussed it internally. Initially, Howe was not reporting the Pats and Browns have talked, just that the Pats FO has talked about it, unless the link in The Athletic has been updated since my post.

Anyway, with the Browns carnage today, I can't imagine they're making trades, unless it was all part of the bloodletting--new coach, get some draft picks, etc.
 

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I think SI wrote it up incorrectly.

Your link from SI is referencing back to the Jeff Howe piece which says only that the Pats have discussed it internally. Initially, Howe was not reporting the Pats and Browns have talked, just that the Pats FO has talked about it, unless the link in The Athletic has been updated since my post.

Anyway, with the Browns carnage today, I can't imagine they're making trades, unless it was all part of the bloodletting--new coach, get some draft picks, etc.
Yeah you could be right. From a Pats' perspective, Collins certainly provides athleticism at LB but the very reasons they let him go...well...those are still present, aren't they?
 

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Yeah you could be right. From a Pats' perspective, Collins certainly provides athleticism at LB but the very reasons they let him go...well...those are still present, aren't they?
Players sometimes leave and learn.
 

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Anyway, with the Browns carnage today, I can't imagine they're making trades, unless it was all part of the bloodletting--new coach, get some draft picks, etc.
I disagree. Before today, Dorsey and Jackson were equals, both reporting to Haslam. That's over now and Dorsey won. If there are players that Hue defended but Dorsey didn't like, they could very well be gone. I don't know if Collins is in that camp or not, but Sashi Brown was the one who traded for and extended Collins, so Dorsey isn't going to have any loyalty to him.

Yeah you could be right. From a Pats' perspective, Collins certainly provides athleticism at LB but the very reasons they let him go...well...those are still present, aren't they?
I think the football issues with Collins were overblown. He played 94% of snaps in the seven games he was active for in 2016, and it was higher before he missed a game with a hip injury. Just because they didn't want to re-sign him for what he was going to get paid doesn't mean they don't think he was a good player.

FWIW he's playing 84% of defensive snaps this year for Cleveland, leading all Browns LBs, including 100% in the last two. They may not be in any hurry to get rid of him.
 

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Jamie Collins would improve the Patriots' linebackers corps, but I think his coverage skills are much worse than his athleticism would indicate. Dude routinely got killed by RBs out of the backfield, especially on wheel routes, and I don't remember him being all that effective against TEs either. I like him as a player, but I think he was at his best when blitzing and rushing the passer here. Count me out for that salary, even if the picks going back aren't much. Don't think he's the kind of player this team needs.
 

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Can't be. PP said it was unpossible.
Show me how it works, I’ll gladly eat my humble pie. He’s owed pretty much all the remaining cap space and would leave no room for a street guy in an emergency if someone goes down. I find it difficult to believe Cleveland would eat money enough for a price we’d be willing to pay or that he would restructure. Which brings nothing about the reason they traded him to begin with. It wasn’t exactly a Chung situation who they admitted to using incorrectly; BB has no use for guys that play hero ball and don’t stick to their assignments. I’m gonna go ahead and assume he didn’t learn that in Cleveland. I never said it was unpossible, chances of things are always above 0%...that doesn’t disqualify it as click bait however.
 

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Jamie Collins would improve the Patriots' linebackers corps, but I think his coverage skills are much worse than his athleticism would indicate. Dude routinely got killed by RBs out of the backfield, especially on wheel routes, and I don't remember him being all that effective against TEs either. I like him as a player, but I think he was at his best when blitzing and rushing the passer here. Count me out for that salary, even if the picks going back aren't much. Don't think he's the kind of player this team needs.
This isn't really true. He held Owen Daniels to 2 TD catches in the 2015 AFCCG.