RIP Toucher and Rich Show ... It was fun while it lasted

4 6 3 DP · Oct 27, 2009

These guys really like their jobs.

Adolfo catching balls from Zolak today - need to check out the video later, but these guys just...enjoy what they're doing. Not the pain and agony from the morning and afternoon shows on EEI (I think Holley and Flanders try to show enthusiasm, they're just.....stiff).

Tanguay was right today, he is a significant percentage of the T+R show and damned if that stuff isn't gold every single time. "We need more shock jockery...bring me some women"

BS_SoxFan · Oct 27, 2009

QUOTE (4 6 3 DP @ Oct 27 2009, 03:25 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2651387
These guys really like their jobs.

Adolfo catching balls from Zolak today - need to check out the video later, but these guys just...enjoy what they're doing. Not the pain and agony from the morning and afternoon shows on EEI (I think Holley and Flanders try to show enthusiasm, they're just.....stiff).

Tanguay was right today, he is a significant percentage of the T+R show and damned if that stuff isn't gold every single time. "We need more shock jockery...bring me some women"

I honestly think that is one of the most compelling aspects of T&R. Sure, Fred can most certainly be a prick, and Crash (when you used to hear him more than once a week) would occasionally go off, but they would always have their issues and then move on and laugh about it. The shows on WEEI, especially D&C, are just so miserable. My father's (who is 51, so I suppose out of T&R's demo) biggest complaint about T&R is that "they are too goofy and laugh too much." I told him I'll take that every week over Callahan's reason du jour that our country is on the path to failure. Today I made the mistake of flipping over to D&C for a minute during commercials on 98.5 to hear Callahan bitching about Martha Coakley being unable to pronounce the name of a local soldier killed in action the other day. Did he take a moment to commend the soldier for his incredible sacrifice for his country? Or to express his condolences to the man's wife and children? Nah, it's more important that the DEMOCRAT dare mispronounce a name. Ugh... it must be so sad to wake up with that sort of demeanor every day. The gridlock on 95 is misery enough in the morning for me.

URI · Oct 27, 2009

I'm going to preface this by saying I'm big T&R fans, so I like most of what they do but:

The Adolfo/Zolak football thing, followed by the cross over was one of the funniest things I've ever heard in my life. Everything from Zolak buzzing Crash with a throw to Adolfo crying and flipping out on Rich was awesome.

That 20 minutes of radio was more enjoyable than the sum total of 2 years of D&C "last hours" I listened to the last couple of years. I ask everyone who cares to listen to that on the podcast...if you don't like the Adolfo/Zolak thing, you are never going to like T&R.

weeba · Oct 27, 2009

Which podcast, and what time? Today 945-1000 or so?

URI · Oct 27, 2009

Yeah, hour 4.

The video just went up and I really just lost it all over again...right down to Zolak telling Adolfo it was only business and Rich yelling "Pusssssssssyyyy" over the mic.

I think it was the last 20-30 of the podcast...I do know they crossed over to the Tanguay and Zolak show a bit and that's on the podcast, and not the video. That stuff is gold too.

weeba · Oct 27, 2009

QUOTE (4 6 3 DP @ Oct 27 2009, 03:25 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2651387
These guys really like their jobs.

Adolfo catching balls from Zolak today - need to check out the video later, but these guys just...enjoy what they're doing. Not the pain and agony from the morning and afternoon shows on EEI (I think Holley and Flanders try to show enthusiasm, they're just.....stiff).

Tanguay was right today, he is a significant percentage of the T+R show and damned if that stuff isn't gold every single time. "We need more shock jockery...bring me some women"

Listening to the podcast now. And completely agree with the above. Everyone on 985 really seem like they're enjoying themselves, their cohosts, producers etc. I find myself smiling or laughing along much more often than with WEEI

weeba · Oct 27, 2009

QUOTE (HomeBrew1901 @ Oct 27 2009, 08:37 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2651865
Video here.

Hilarious.

http://www.cbssports.com/local/boston/story/12091175

Zolak can still sling it

Phenom · Oct 27, 2009

QUOTE (weeba @ Oct 27 2009, 08:49 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2651905
Listening to the podcast now. And completely agree with the above. Everyone on 985 really seem like they're enjoying themselves, their cohosts, producers etc. I find myself smiling or laughing along much more often than with WEEI

That's the thing across the board. From T+R to Felger and Mazz to Amendolara to the young guys who they have working weekend shifts, everybody at 98.5 seems to be enjoying themselves. It's a more fun product to listen to, if that makes sense.

I've made this point when talking about Felger and Mazz, but it really applies to all of the shows...I have rarely, if ever, laughed out loud when listening to EEI. From 6-2, I have rarely chuckled, and from 2-6, the only time I'd occassionally laugh was either when Pete went off on a tirade, or during the whiner line.

I still think Tanguay and Zolak are abysmal, but they are gold for Toucher and Rich. Maybe if they're removed from the midday spot, they could stay on the station in some way just so they could contribute to Toucher and Rich. The crossovers, and today, the football throwing segment, it's hilarious.

4 6 3 DP · Oct 28, 2009

Dating on Demand today....I'm Looooonely....

TFP · Oct 28, 2009

Dating on Demand was outstanding today, solely for one moment. The set up the segment that it was done at a Renaissance Fair, and Toucher and Crash immediately go into their "nerd/wizard" voice to mock it, which was amusing in and of itself.

However, when the first line from the first guy on the video sounds EXACTLY like their mock imitations, the whole studio just bursts out yelling and laughing at the sheer amazement of it. It was clearly spontaneous, and the fact that they reacted so genuinely was awesome to me. I laughed for a solid couple minutes at that reaction.

NortheasternPJ · Oct 28, 2009

Adolfo going off on Rich when he got back into studio was just great radio. Especially with all the background comments etc. "In my mind Rich this is what happened..." followed by Adolfo just stating a bunch of random stuff he made up was great. I wish they had a video of Rich's face while Adolfo was going off.

ilya678 · Oct 28, 2009

QUOTE (NortheasternPJ @ Oct 28 2009, 07:49 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2653206
Adolfo going off on Rich when he got back into studio was just great radio. Especially with all the background comments etc. "In my mind Rich this is what happened..." followed by Adolfo just stating a bunch of random stuff he made up was great. I wish they had a video of Rich's face while Adolfo was going off.

This was similar to him going off on an illegal immigration rant a while back. They tried to make it a regular but, however Adolpho being Adolpho messed it all up and read from a sheet instead of just shooting from the hip.

The whole thing with Scal seems to be a great idea. He is fairly candid in his opinions, and hopefully he will do the drunken redsox recaps. He came off as very well aware of his finances and the future, so maybe he is using this to parlay it into a job post basketball, a basketball Zolak if you will.

teddykgb · Oct 29, 2009

I think one of their best qualities are as interviewers. They really seem to bond with the athletes they interview and interviews like this morning's with the guy who wrote Napoleon Dynamite don't feel like stock interviews. I'm sure their questions aren't that off the wall, but the book/comedy/movie tour interviews even seem to carry some value for me as an audience outside of finding out about the new stuff.

It's also all about contrast. During this AM's 'racism debate-a-thon' on 850 I was actually switching back to T&R's commercials because I just couldn't bear 850 anymore.

weeba · Oct 29, 2009

In between flipping back and forth, I think it comes back to that D&C always tend to go back to the same topics. During Headlines, when talking about the MGH stabbing, Callahan used that as a platform to say that "all the Democratic candidates for Senator don't want people like this HERO carrying guns. They'd rather the doctor die"

Now that there is something else (that's good!) to listen to, you can just hear how tired their act is.

4 6 3 DP · Oct 30, 2009

Michael Jackson musical movie review = almost driving off road.

Of course, D+C had Simmons on at the same time so I switched over quickly but funny stuff from the movie review.

And I think it's cool they ripped the Boondock movie in their review even though those guys were on the show a week ago. Proves they won't suck up.

dirtynine · Oct 30, 2009

The Boondock crew came across as really arrogant in studio to me... having not seen the first one, I thought they had a really high opinion of themselves (save Billy Connoly, who can do no wrong). I don't think T&R took much of a cotton to them either. It was obvious by the way Rich was talking "around" his opinion of the film that he didn't really care for it.

It's days like this when you realize just how well the T&R machine runs when it's firing. Rich is a prepared comedy master - he makes really high-quality bits, and he does them fast - for instance, the morning after the Matt Holliday groin ball, his musical movie review was full of clever references to it. When his stuff is working, Fred is on his esoteric rant game, Crash is playing the old drunken uncle, and they collectively have a foil (Wallach/Adolfo/Tanguay/some news story) to rag on... it's really entertaining.

Another thing - don't know if this is happening consciously, but they're weaving in more old-school BCN style talk into the mix - using the bumper music coming back from commercials to spawn discussions of buying Van Halen back in the day and such. I really enjoy that.

Speaking of Simmons on EEI, Fred's twitter asks

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Did Bill Simmons diss our show on another station this mornign? Please report.
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[...]he did EEI I understand He has a book to promote and ESPN won't let him on our station since we aren't an affiliate.

What's going on there?

Gambler7 · Oct 30, 2009

I heard most of the Simmons interview and I don't think he "dissed" T&R at all. Dennis and Callahan called him out about his Twitter months ago saying WEEI is the Soviet Union and it's good they finally have competition, etc. From what I remember, the only ones he really "dissed" were Dale and Holley, he was saying some thing about the mid-day show on EEI, he told Dennis and Callahan there was nothing wrong with their show, but didn't mention anything that I heard about the other morning show. Might have missed it though.

BannedbyNYYFans.com · Oct 30, 2009

QUOTE (Gambler7 @ Oct 30 2009, 09:03 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2658213
I heard most of the Simmons interview and I don't think he "dissed" T&R at all. Dennis and Callahan called him out about his Twitter months ago saying WEEI is the Soviet Union and it's good they finally have competition, etc. From what I remember, the only ones he really "dissed" were Dale and Holley, he was saying some thing about the mid-day show on EEI, he told Dennis and Callahan there was nothing wrong with their show, but didn't mention anything that I heard about the other morning show. Might have missed it though.

I agree that it wasn't a diss but I think it was The Big Show who he was referring to when he said, "that afternoon show should be worried" and not Dale and Holley.

Gambler7 · Oct 30, 2009

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I agree that it wasn't a diss but I think it was The Big Show who he was referring to when he said, "that afternoon show should be worried" and not Dale and Holley.

That makes a lot more sense. I was wondering why he would take a shot at Dale and Holley.

Surprised he didn't say anything about D&C though, hasn't he been critical of them in the past? He backed off of that and said it had nothing to do with their show, he likes them, etc.

SteveCrawford · Oct 30, 2009

QUOTE (Gambler7 @ Oct 30 2009, 01:06 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2658300
That makes a lot more sense. I was wondering why he would take a shot at Dale and Holley.

Surprised he didn't say anything about D&C though, hasn't he been critical of them in the past? He backed off of that and said it had nothing to do with their show, he likes them, etc.

during that conversation He did say to D&C 'we've always been good right?' They were like hell yeah. Simmons had just said their show had nothing to worry about but the afternoon show did. So maybe T&R took it as a shot. Compared EEI to Mid 80's Soviet Union over last 15 years.

4 6 3 DP · Oct 30, 2009

BS was on the spot - obviously wasnt going to rip D+C after they plugged his book. So he made it about the Big Show.

The cheap shot was John Dennis telling him to go down the dial and see how many books that would sell.

SteveCrawford · Oct 30, 2009

Yes agreed Simmons was good and took high road, he was talking hoops and salary cap re: Rondo left JD clueless as he completely shot down JD's thesis that Rondo would get 65 mil deal next year

dirtynine · Nov 2, 2009

"Touchdown, UMASS! Wait, uh... my mistake, that's an interception on a two-point conversion."

Haunted · Nov 4, 2009

Yeah, this is totally manufactured. Too bad. I hate shtick like this.

TFP · Nov 4, 2009

I think Tanguay is manufacturing it all and T & R legitimately have no idea whats going on. They generally hate shtick like this too, and Fred sounds legitimately bewildered by what the hell Tanguay is doing. It's still funny to hear them rag on him though.

ilya678 · Nov 4, 2009

I think the claim that T&R had nothing to do with this as a fake may have some validity. This morning Fred did say they had people email in that it is fake, and he only said that pretty much not fake on their end. He did not say it wasn't fake from Garys, so draw your conclusions as you will, but yes as The Four Peters said it probably is all Tanguay.

TFP · Nov 4, 2009

QUOTE (HomeBrew1901 @ Nov 4 2009, 09:06 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2667623
I think everyone was blindsided by it yesterday and then corporate made them replay it today. Toucher basically admitted it was schtick when he refused to take calls, emails, etc... and said it was to promote the T&Z show. I wouldn't be surprised if T&R are pissed to have been brought into this ploy.

I think yesterday as it was happening, T+R thought it was legit. Fred sounded confused and almost hurt, and even Wallach commented on how much it seemed to affect them. Then it seemed like they realized today it was probably a ploy by Tanguay, but still aren't sure, and are pretty pissed. Their confusion seems genuine, though.

I gotta say though, it's made for entertaining radio.

dirtynine · Nov 4, 2009

So Tanguay was pissed (or "pissed") because he called in with a Rondo contract clarification, and Wallach didn't really think what Gary was saying added anything to the story he already had, and didn't change his reporting... and so Gary feels like T&R get so much mileage out of ragging on him, but don't give him credit or pay him any mind when he tries to legitimately help them with sports-related stuff? Is that the gist?

Lame, and fake or real, you know Toucher won't go nearly as hard after Gary now (either out concern, if it was real, or spite, if it was phony). Sucks because that had evolved into a great part of the show.

shawnrbu · Nov 5, 2009

Tanguay was bitter Mark Spears broke the Rondo story before Tanguay did. When T&R put him on the air Monday morning and Tanguay had nothing of substance to add to Spears story, it embarassed him and the "thanks for the breaking news" sarcastic comment sent Gary over the edge.

Dave Stapleton · Nov 5, 2009

I got a kick out of the Mike Francessa imitation this morning. It was really more of a good "characterization" than a dead on impression but it had me laughing heartily.

David Laurila · Nov 6, 2009

I just listened to about five minutes of this show -- the first time I've tuned in -- and my initial reaction is: "This sounds just like the worst of EEI: Far more "guy-entertainment" radio than sports, the hosts talking at the same time, laughter, the producer inserting repeated musical snippets. Maybe this was a matter of timing, and I caught this show at a bad moment. If not....little or nothing differentiates it from the station they're competing with.

Gambler7 · Nov 6, 2009

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I just listened to about five minutes of this show -- the first time I've tuned in -- and my initial reaction is: "This sounds just like the worst of EEI: Far more "guy-entertainment" radio than sports, the hosts talking at the same time, laughter, the producer inserting repeated musical snippets. Maybe this was a matter of timing, and I caught this show at a bad moment. If not....little or nothing differentiates it from the station they're competing with.

It is more "guy entertainment" and they don't pretend to be anything else. Never have and never will. It may just not be for you, but how you can make any judgment after listening to a show for 5 minutes...when never even hearing a second of it before...is beyond me.

NortheasternPJ · Nov 6, 2009

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I just listened to about five minutes of this show -- the first time I've tuned in -- and my initial reaction is: "This sounds just like the worst of EEI: Far more "guy-entertainment" radio than sports, the hosts talking at the same time, laughter, the producer inserting repeated musical snippets. Maybe this was a matter of timing, and I caught this show at a bad moment. If not....little or nothing differentiates it from the station they're competing with.

Based on your post, you are the exact demographic they are trying to avoid. They are a "guy entertainment" with a focus on sports. \ "Little or nothing differentiates..." except they aren't awful like D&C are and actually have a personality.

They won't appeal to the World of Warcraft Living In My Mother's Basement crowd which the internet seems to attract. If you are looking for sabermetrics, tune into another network.

BoSoxFink · Nov 7, 2009

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Based on your post, you are the exact demographic they are trying to avoid. They are a "guy entertainment" with a focus on sports. \ "Little or nothing differentiates..." except they aren't awful like D&C are and actually have a personality.

They won't appeal to the World of Warcraft Living In My Mother's Basement crowd which the internet seems to attract. If you are looking for sabermetrics, tune into another network.

Actually a lot of people would say they appeal exactly to that demographic. This is why people said they might struggle in that time slot because the people who listen to their show don't get up until noon after being stoned/drunk all night. A lot of people think that is what the humor appeals to.

underhandtofirst · Nov 16, 2009

During the crossover at 10am today I thought I heard that T&R will be doing a simulcast with Opie and Anthony on Sirius tomorrow morning.

John Marzano Olympic Hero · Nov 16, 2009

Ugh. Really? I hate Opie and Anthony.

underhandtofirst · Nov 16, 2009

QUOTE (John Marzano Olympic Hero @ Nov 16 2009, 11:05 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2686933
Ugh. Really? I hate Opie and Anthony.

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I can't imagine that it would simulcast for longer than 1 or 2 segments.

No way they do a whole 4 hours that way.

I just checked the podcast (~9:55am) and Toucher said it will be at 8am. He had started to say in the 8 o'clock hour, but then just said 8am.

Haunted · Nov 16, 2009

QUOTE (HomeBrew1901 @ Nov 16 2009, 11:08 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2686938
I can't imagine that it would simulcast for longer than 1 or 2 segments.

No way they do a whole 4 hours that way.

Yeah. While I'm a HUGE O&A fan, these cross-show simulcasts never seem to work out well for too long. You'd have Opie, Anthony, Jim Norton, Fred Toucher, Rich Shirtenlieb (sp?), John Wallach and Crash Clark all with mics in front of them?

URI · Nov 16, 2009

I think Toucher is friendly with Opie (or Anthony...the one that leaves his house) off-air.

So hopefully it is either openly awkward or comfortable, and not the train-wreck I think it's going to be.

Haunted · Nov 17, 2009

This delay is annoying. Surely they can fix it soon.

Razor Shines · Nov 17, 2009

They had some pretty bad technical issues that made the simulcast nearly unlistenable. T&R had some sort of reverb going on, and O&A sounded like they were talking through Peter Frampton's guitar.

I remember now why O&A annoyed me when they were here. They just seem like a couple of dicks. I'm enjoy dark humor, sarcasm, non-PC jokes. But, O&A are different about it. It's hard to explain, but, they just seem like they're genuinely not good people.

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