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Looks like Spurs will being playing Bale, Modric and the rest of that Spanish team that Rafa Benitez manages plus a second pre-season game against either Bayern or AC Milan in the Audi Cup in early August: 
 
 
Audi host the tournament every two years at the Allianz Arena in Munich and we will line-up this summer alongside Bayern Munich, Real Madrid and AC Milan.
We take on Real Madrid in the first semi-final scheduled for Tuesday, August 4, kick-off 5.15pm UK time with Bayern Munich facing AC Milan the same day at 7.45pm UK time. The third/fourth place match and final follow on Wednesday, August 5, kick-offs at 5.15pm and 7.45pm, respectively. 
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/audi-cup-030615/
 
That should be fun to a watch and an improvement over last year's exhibition season. 
 

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Can someone with a better soccer eye than me who watched the USMNT today tell me why I should not be irate about Yedlin not playing down the stretch? I am an admitted sucker for speed (hence I love watch Townsend play) and am obviously biased towards any American playing for Spurs. That admission aside, I am having trouble understanding why Poch went through all of the gymnastics to cover Right back when they turned off Walker rather than just throw Yedlin out there.
 

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I don't think the plan was ever to really play him this season. They wanted him over to get a feel for what it's like in the PL, give him a full offseason and see where they are. Maybe they just stuck to that plan, even when it would have made sense to toss him out there.
 
If he does not get loaned out for next season, then I think you'll see him break into the lineup at some point. If they loan him out, then clearly they think his development is a bit slow.
 

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Well, Luka cost us £16.8m. Linetty looks to cost £3m?

And he was called "the next Modric" 2 years ago before ManU bowed out?

I hate transfer season.
 

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The US-Serbia U20 quarterfinal pits two of our top prospects against each other. It sounds like both CCV and Veljkovic have played very well. It's good to see Veljkovic get back on track after having a tough run of injuries.
 

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Seeing this all over twitter: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3125205/Tottenham-set-beat-Liverpool-West-Ham-Southampton-signature-Burnley-Kieran-Trippier.html
 


Tottenham are set to beat Liverpool, West Ham and Southampton to the signature of Burnley full-back Kieran Trippier 
 
Trippier will battle it out with Kyle Walker for the right-back slot next season. The former Manchester City man's pending arrival leaves question marks over the future DeAndre Yedlin this summer.
 
 
 

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Depends on where he's loaned out to I'd guess, but yeah, you'd hope he'd be pushing for PT himself for the Spurs.
 

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I am so fucking angry. Unless Walker is sold, of course. Then I am very happy. 
 
Selling Walker and Chadli while they have good value to make room for Yedlin and Pritchard is what I would prefer to see. 
 

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Trippier is official:
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8:30 am - 19 Jun 2015
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That they they managed to recover 10m gbp for Paulinho after the season he just had is amazing.
 

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You gotta factor in wages to call it a profit.

And either way, that's some sad accounting.
 

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Looks like the Alderweireld deal is going to have some protracted legal wrangling.
 
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33408647
 


Southampton could be set for a legal battle with Atletico Madrid over a permanent deal for Belgium defender Toby Alderweireld.
 
The 26-year-old was on loan at St Mary's last season with an option to make the deal permanent for £6.8m.
 
Atletico could have paid £1.5m to buy back that clause and instead sell Alderweireld to the highest bidder.
 
But Southampton believe that the timeframe for Atletico to take that option has now elapsed.
 

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Big day for Spurs. 
 
First, Toby Alderweireld, agrees to terms on an 11.5M pound transfer. He will get to play along side his national team partner Jan Vertongen in Levy's continuing quest to own the entire Belgian national team. 
 
 
 In more important news, Spurs announced that they have approval to build the new stadium to over 61K seating and released new images of the stadium. http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/northumberland-development-project-updated-designs-and-plans-080715/  I am really looking forward to MMS and Mike Ford's reaction to being on the wrong end of the revenue generation comparison with Spurs. 
 
They also released a joint announcement that the team has entered an agreement with the NFL to host "at least two" NFL games per year at the new stadium. This will be facilitated by the new stadium being built with a removable soccer pitch and a field turf field underneath for the NFL. The stadium is also being built with NFL specific locker rooms in addition to the soccer locker rooms. 
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/club-and-nfl-announcement-080715/
 
No financial numbers were released, but this has to be a significant financial windfall for Spurs to, at the least, help pay for the stadium project, and perhaps even put more money in Levy's pocket. For the NFL, they now have their LA replacement in terms of a place to leverage American cities for new stadiums. I wonder if the loser of the current three team LA stadium derby will get pushed towards North London. 
 

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Gunfighter 09 said:
 In more important news, Spurs announced that they have approval to build the new stadium to over 61K seating and released new images of the stadium. http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/northumberland-development-project-updated-designs-and-plans-080715/  I am really looking forward to MMS and Mike Ford's reaction to being on the wrong end of the revenue generation comparison with Spurs. 
Not sure a theoretical extra 1000 fans per matchday (assuming sellouts for both clubs) really amounts to being ahead of Arsenal in revenue generation. Maybe just with matchday gate revenue for league games. But revenue generation is a lot more than just matchday gate (i.e. commercial deals, sponsorships, Champions League earnings, buying and selling players, etc.)
 

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Not sure a theoretical extra 1000 fans per matchday (assuming sellouts for both clubs) really amounts to being ahead of Arsenal in revenue generation. Maybe just with matchday gate revenue for league games. But revenue generation is a lot more than just matchday gate (i.e. commercial deals, sponsorships, Champions League earnings, buying and selling players, etc.)
Plus can Tottenham charge the same for seats and boxes? How much will debt service be?
 

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Not sure a theoretical extra 1000 fans per matchday (assuming sellouts for both clubs) really amounts to being ahead of Arsenal in revenue generation. Maybe just with matchday gate revenue for league games. But revenue generation is a lot more than just matchday gate (i.e. commercial deals, sponsorships, Champions League earnings, buying and selling players, etc.)
 
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Plus can Tottenham charge the same for seats and boxes? How much will debt service be?
 
Right.  Arsenal revenue stood at about 300m pounds in 2014 versus 180m for Spurs, with 56m of that difference coming from disparity in matchday revenues.  The new stadium will be a great thing for Spurs in the long run, helping close the matchday revenue gap substantially (if not fully, given that Arsenal will likely continue to charge higher ticket prices).  But for a long time much of the increase in matchday revenue that Spurs experiences will be offset by debt service.  According to what I have read, Arsenal put up about 130m pounds for the Emirates and borrowed about 260m.  We have been paying like 20-25m per year for the last decade to pay down that debt.  My guess is that Spurs will need to borrow more than Arsenal did but I don't know much about the financing plans.
 
What are the odds that a good part of this stadium is paid for by selling Kane to Manchester United this summer or next?
 

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It won't close the gap totally and forgive me for trolling, it is a really good day and I am always amused by comments about the unimportance of lower revenue club. Here is a good look at Spurs revenues relative to the five teams above them in terms of revenue, based on the 2014 season. The Forbes figures from May are even worse and show the gap is similar or a little greater than the £120M figure MMS cited depending on how they convert the currency. 
 
http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2015/04/tottenham-hotspur-bottom-line.html
http://www.forbes.com/soccer-valuations/list/
 
The new stadium will make up for the match day revenue gap, which after the 2014 season was £57 million (£101M for Arsenal v £43M for Spurs) as MMS pointed out . With every match sold out, and a season ticket wait list supposedly 45K long, they should be able to sell the seats. Based on the stub hub pricing controversy, I would imagine they can raise prices as well, though they did not raise rates in 2015. 
 
 
 
Tottenham’s match day revenue rose £3.7 million (9%) from £40.2 million to £43.9 million, but they were still overtaken by Manchester City £47 million. This is not going to change any time soon, following the decision to freeze ticket prices for 2014/15 season. Importantly, Tottenham generate less than half of the revenue of their rivals Manchester United and Arsenal, who both earn more than £100 million a season in their far larger stadiums........ Tottenham have only the 11th highest attendance in the Premier League with around 36,000, behind Sunderland, Everton and Aston Villa, but this is effectively full capacity with the club selling out all Premier League home games. This underlines the need for a new, larger stadium, which would satisfy a waiting list that has risen to over 45,000.
 
The real place they can hope to make up ground is on the field, though, based on the last 17 years, that is not too likely, Harry Kane's awesomeness aside. In 2014, making the UCL was worth about £40M more than getting Europa'd in terms of both TV and prize money, using stubby pencil Euro to Pound math.
 
 
Given the equitable nature of the Premier League TV deal, the real differentiator for the leading English clubs is in fact the Champions League. In 2013/14 Tottenham were more or less the same as the top five domestically, but their total broadcasting income of £95 million was easily surpassed by Chelsea £140 million, Manchester United £136 million, Manchester City £133 million and Arsenal £123 million, thanks to their Champions League receipts.
 
Although Tottenham earned €5.9 million prize money (£9.2 million including gate receipts) for reaching the last 16 of the Europa League, this was much lower than the Champions League, where the four English clubs earned an average of €38 million, ranging from Manchester United’s €45 million to Arsenal’s €27 million.
 
So, if the stadium came off well (closing the gap by £60M, and they swapped spots with the Gunners in the Europe (closing the gap by an additional £40M that will only grow with the difference in TV deals), they would be very close to meeting the gap, but still £15-20M short.  That would largely come from being way behind in terms of sponsorship dollars where Arsenal trounces them by £35M a year. Even as great as Kane's mouth breathing face looks on a T-shirt, they are not going to catch Arsenal in sponsorship money. 
 
As MMS pointed out it also remains to be seen what kind of debt they will have to take on to finance the multiple hundreds of million pounds they will spend on the stadium. They will get money from the NFL, and the club owns all of the land, some of which is going to be developed for housing and shopping and will help offset cost. Several articles toss around figures like £150M as a target for naming rights, though that is all speculation until they actually put paint on the side of the building  With those inputs, they might have less impact from stadium debt than what Arsenal had to pay in the last ten years Overall, financing a stadium in 2017 is probably easier than in 2005, just due to the much greater amount of cash that is coming into the BPL teams from the TV deals, though rising player salaries & transfer costs will eat some of that advantage. 
 

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Not sure a theoretical extra 1000 fans per matchday (assuming sellouts for both clubs) really amounts to being ahead of Arsenal in revenue generation. Maybe just with matchday gate revenue for league games. But revenue generation is a lot more than just matchday gate (i.e. commercial deals, sponsorships, Champions League earnings, buying and selling players, etc.)
 
FFS, just admit it. 

 
Until Spurs gets themselves a proper plushie, they'll always be behind the revenue generation machine that is Arsenal.
 

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Take a good look at the Sours badge, and maybe you'll get the joke.
 
Good god man, it was a through ball for someone to come along and hammer home, not an opportunity to demonstrate your superior badge observation skills.
 

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Good god man, it was a through ball for someone to come along and hammer home, not an opportunity to demonstrate your superior badge observation skills.
As a kid, he got a badge from the Boy Scouts for those superior badge observation skills.
 

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If this keeps Lloris at Spurs for another season, the injury is probably a good thing for Spurs, as long as he doesn't miss too much time.  Unless you thought they could get a big fee for him and you'd rather have had the money+Vorm rather than Lloris.
 

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Are we sure Levy didn't go all Tonya Harding on Lloris to prevent him being sold to United? 
 

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Tottenham signs a deal with Fanatics, who is the largest sports merchandise dealing in this country. Tottenham gear is about to be a lot easier to purchase.
 
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenhams-sign-major-new-deal-with-largest-sports-merchandise-retailer-in-the-us-10391454.html
 
The deal is the first of its kind for a European football club and sees Spurs follow in the footsteps of the major American sports leagues, including the NBA, MLB and NFL. Fanatics also provides bespoke apparel and headwear that Tottenham will market alongside their existing kit, produced by US firm Under Armour.
 
The merchandise is expected to be available by the start of the season and marks the latest expansion move into America by a club with an estimated fan-base of 14 million in North America.
 
 
FWIW, as I just posted over in the Arsenal thread I spent a few days last week in the company of one of the main architects currently hard at work designing Tottenham's new stadium. The whole concept sounds pretty fascinating: whereas some other stadiums (he specifically cited the University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale) grow natural grass on an outside lot and roll it into the stadium over the top of a hard surface, for Spurs the grass will normally live within the stadium but when necessary - e.g., for NFL games and possible concerts and the like - the pitch can be retracted and rolled into an underground area to the side in which it can easily live for three or four days before being rolled back outside again. They're calibrating the stadium so that the first row of seats in the bottom tier sits at pitch level when Spurs are playing, but after the pitch is retracted those same seats will now be about a meter-and-a-half above pitch level...which is exactly what you want for an NFL game, allowing you to see over the players/coaches/staff on the sidelines. My friend says this is by far the most difficult project he's worked on for a number of reasons, but if they manage to pull it all off correctly, it'll be quite a coup for THFC.
 

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Yes.
Despite the result, Dembele looked good in the first half, more attack minded than season's past. Kane with a great strike for a goal, should have had a couple more.
Trippier looks to be a  better player than Walker, based on one match. Alli and Wimmer both impressed for the new guys.
 
The kits looked good on TV.
 

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Yeah, don't think they played bad. Kane nearly had a hat trick before halftime. The average age of the Spurs second half team was like 20.9 years.
 
Loved the kits.
 

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What genius decided to play back to back preseason games in a foreign country 3-4 days before your Premier League opener?
 
That's a rhetorical question as I know the answer but its still ridiculous.
 

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Twitter reports circulating that Clinton N'Jie has confirmed on Instagram that he's leaving Lyon for Tottenham.
 

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Twitter reports circulating that Clinton N'Jie has confirmed on Instagram that he's leaving Lyon for Tottenham.
Concurrent with Lamela accidentally confirming that Soldado is gone.
 
and now the club, I feel like owning the shirt of a player no longer on the team somehow makes me a better fan: 
 
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Good to see that Alderweireld has already caught the Spurs bug. I'm holding off judgement until the transfer window closes. They were almost embarrassingly short-handed today.